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This is more complete anti white mobile qb bull sh**. Sorry but I'm not going to sugercoat it. Manziel should start period. They are trying to ruin Johnnys Career. He threw no interceptions and threw for two touchdowns. What more do they want? He won and he looked very good. Even the Caste Announcers said he looked comfortable out there. So what happens is they send him back to the bench. Just like Tebow looking good and getting cut. I'm so sick of this anti white league. We need to call it what it is. The Browns are stupid to bench him.



Skip Bayless who loves Manziel was visibly upset about the benching too. He said Manziel should start, but the other hand, him not starting may be a silver lining as he might find his way out of Cleveland to a fresh new start. Manziel was not the current regime's draft pick. They hold no loyalty to him. It's just the way these things go. I really hope he finds his way out of Cleveland to Houston possibly.
 

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What a completely idiotic franchise. Fuc@ the Browns and fuc$ the NFL. Would Jameez, Mariotta, or Bridgewater get benched after a VICTORY in a million years???? Cleveland is probably not going to start Johnny again, then draft a scrub ******* QB next year who absolutely sucks, ala RG Turd or Geno punk ass Smiff. Another 3 years wasted for another miserable franchise. But winning is what matters, right?

It's really getting almost impossible to find anything at all to like about the NFL other than the Patriots. The Jews that run the league seem intent on ruining all young White QBs and players for that matter. What a loathsome, vile lot they are.
 
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Skip Bayless who loves Manziel was visibly upset about the benching too. He said Manziel should start, but the other hand, him not starting may be a silver lining as he might find his way out of Cleveland to a fresh new start. Manziel was not the current regime's draft pick. They hold no loyalty to him. It's just the way these things go. I really hope he finds his way out of Cleveland to Houston possibly.

Regardless, he's a Heisman Trophy winner, a first round draft pick, an amazing talent who has buckled down and changed his lifestyle and worked really hard this season. They should be doing everything possible to develop him now that he's showing his potential throwing and running the ball.

There's no question he would never be treated this way if he was black, but who here didn't know that?
 

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Actually Manziel is a pick of the Farmer/pettine regime. People were speculating that it was the owner who got him drafted but either way he has grown up and matured a lot in the past year both off and on the field. His big play ability has been on display when he has played as well. He is still only 22 - could he benefit from playing ? Yes absolutely. Could he benefit from sitting, taking reps in practice, watching film and learning from McCown? I feel that is beneficial as well. The Browns should be encouraged by what they have seen in him.
 

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Manziel starting tonight at Cincinnati. All the sports talk hosts are acting like this game is a referendum on Manziel's future. This is like his 3rd or 4th start ever. If true, there has never been a shorter leash on a first round draft pick in the history of the league.
 

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Manziel starting tonight at Cincinnati. All the sports talk hosts are acting like this game is a referendum on Manziel's future. This is like his 3rd or 4th start ever. If true, there has never been a shorter leash on a first round draft pick in the history of the league.

Since I don't have NFL Network, I have to find a decent internet stream. I'm wishing Manziel well. I hope he is deadly accurate tonight.
 

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Johnny Manziel played a very strong game for the Browns yesterday in their 30-9 loss to Pittsburgh. Cleveland rushed for just 15 yards, while their defense gave up 459 yards, mostly because of Big Ben's remarkable performance playing while injured. But Manziel actually outproduced Roethlisberger in the yardage department (379 to 372) while completing 33 of 45 throws. He also stayed in the pocket most of the time, to please the team's clueless coaches, and otherwise performed very well. (He also brought Brian Hartline back to life in the passing game, as he caught 6/77. Gary Barnidge went 6/65 with another TD reception.)

I posted in the "Another ESPN Jerk" thread the other day about how smirking ass clown Mike Florio and Rodney Harrison were giggling over whether Manziel and Landry Jones combined would throw for 400 yards. Well, Jones was injured early in the first quarter so we don't know how many yards he would have ended up with, but Johnny Football and Big Ben combined for a mere 751 yards! We will have a very long wait until there's an NFL game where two black QBs throw for that kind of combined yardage.
 
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Johnny Manziel played a very strong game for the Browns yesterday in their 30-9 loss to Pittsburgh. Cleveland rushed for just 15 yards, while their defense gave up 459 yards, mostly because of Big Ben's remarkable performance playing while injured. But Manziel actually outproduced Roethlisberger in the yardage department (379 to 372) while completing 33 of 45 throws. He also stayed in the pocket most of the time, to please the team's clueless coaches, and otherwise performed very well. (He also brought Brian Hartline back to life in the passing game, as he caught 6/77. Gary Barnidge went 6/65 with another TD reception.)

I posted in the "Another ESPN Jerk" thread the other day about how smirking ass clown Mike Florio and Rodney Harrison were giggling over whether Manziel and Landry Jones combined would throw for 400 yards. Well, Jones was injured early in the first quarter so we don't know how many yards he would have ended up with, but Johnny Football and Big Ben combined for a mere 751 yards! We will have a very long wait until there's an NFL game where two black QBs throw for that kind of combined yardage.

Don has often pointed out black QBs don't produce the astronomical passing yardage (with longevity) white QBs do. The only black QB who has been comparable was Warren Moon, who not only had consistently high yardage but played into his forties.
 

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Speaking of 400 combined yards passing. Russel Wilson and Colin Kaepernick have faced off against eachother 7 times in their careers. In only ONE of those SEVEN games did they two combine for over 400 yards passing. Even then it was only 415 yards. It was also the first game the two played against eachother.

So Kaepernick and Wilson haven't combined for over 400 yards in a game since 2012! Black QBs really have revolutionized the sport.
 

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Here's a prediction I made in in this thread, in May of 2014, about the mainstream media treatment of Johnny Manziel. This prediction has come to pass.

Something to watch for. If Manziel doesn't play like an all pro right off the bat his detractors will immediately proclaim him a failure.

It takes time to develop as a pro quarterback. The anti-whites don't want there to be any white quarterbacks at all so they don't want white players to be given the time to develop.

They'll do this to Manziel.

The anti-whites will work against Manziel's success every step of the way.

Here's another prediction. For a long time the mainstream will minimize all of his good performances and exaggerate all of his bad performances. They will pounce on the slightest thing to criticize or ridicule him for.

Lurkers take note. The mainstream media has a political anti-white agenda and will tear down (deconstruct) white players as much as possible. Manziel's career has been and will continue to be an example of this.
 

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Brownsn have decided to go with Manziel rest of season. Smart move. Hopefully he changes the perception of himself as a non franchise qb to the browns and rest of the league.
 

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Brownsn have decided to go with Manziel rest of season. Smart move. Hopefully he changes the perception of himself as a non franchise qb to the browns and rest of the league.


Other than the Patriots still being undefeated, this is some of the best news I've heard all year. You cannot learn by holding a clip board. He can only get better by having more playing time. They wasted the majority of his 2nd year. So dumb in my honest opinion. He could have been so much farther along if they had just played the kid but better late than never.

Congrats to the Cleveland Browns for finally making the right decision. He needs the rest of this year and all of next season to get a better idea of where he is at. Good luck to Johnny Football.
 

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Great news for sure. Manziel needs to play up to the unfair standard of near perfection for the rest of the season to keep the media off of him. I am looking forward to seeing what he can do. He should be able to provide a spark to the garbage running game. Hartline and Barnridge need to help him out.
 

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Manziel was demoted to third string apparently for some unspecified off the field activities.

The media says he "partied" and refers to this partying as an "incident." I've read several accounts of Manziel's demotion and they don't say exactly what he did, if anything. There is no mention of Manziel doing anything illegal or immoral or violating team rules.

Is this yet another white witchhunt?
 

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Manziel was demoted to third string apparently for some unspecified off the field activities.

The media says he "partied" and refers to this partying as an "incident." I've read several accounts of Manziel's demotion and they don't say exactly what he did, if anything. There is no mention of Manziel doing anything illegal or immoral or violating team rules.

Is this yet another white witchhunt?

Manziel needs to join the Christian Athlete Network, swear off all sin, and perhaps become a boyscout leader. I refuse to support any white athlete that continues to exercise the freedom to live the life he wants, he needs to give up alcohol, girls, partying, fun of any kind. This is the only way for a white athlete to live. His refusal to knuckle down to the rules of the anti-white elite is proof that he is unfit to be a "high priest" in amerika's secular religion.

I'm sure he's an alcoholic, perhaps a heroin addict too? He should be forced out of the league and made to live in exile with his millions. The nerve of this guy! Having fun at 22, I never had fun at 22, no famous white man should ever enjoy himself. Life should be a ascetic grind of nothing but hard work until death. Only by surrendering to the constraints forced upon us by our superiors can we be successful as a race. We all need to encourage this mindset amongst our young men and jump on the bandwagon of popular opinion against Manziel!!!
 

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I find it strange that Manziel is being run out of the league for doing what Namath and Stabler did for their entire careers. Yes he is a functioning alcoholic but he is still "functioning". How many street players are doing this with illegal narcotics? It's like the Browns are run by Mormons or something like that........:biggrin1:

Ps this is what I was talking about a street journeyman player is clinging to life because he was shot in the ghetto(I'm assuming). Manziel has never been linked to White mobsters(Joe Willie was), Black street gang people(Aaron Hernandez was). If Manziel was hanging out with that type of person then suspend him or cut him. If he has an agreement to go to AA meetings and isn't going then suspend him but just drinking in an off week is too puritanical for me.....http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8380/stedman-bailey
 
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We shouldn't forget the true purpose of the NFL today, and it's not football. It's primary purpose is to socially-condition the masses to believe in black athletic superiority. It's also used as a propaganda vehicle for other leftist or totalitarian causes such as gun control, obedience and acquiescence to the "Police State" via increasingly draconian security measures, worshipping the military, promoting women's health issues (pink October), etc.

After Manziel's solid outing last week, the Caste media could no longer question his ability to be an effective NFL quarterback. In fact, one could easily project that after getting a few more games under his belt, he could become as dominant as he was during college. So, they had to come up with another way to keep him off of the field, otherwise it would go against their primary purpose.

Remember when Jerry Jones, the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, started talking a lot about how he was going to draft Manziel, but didn't, or how he should have or wanted to draft him, but didn't, and kept talking about it. He said he was told to shut up about Manziel, stop talking about him, "not by Roger Goodell, but by other people, high up (but not necessarily employed by the NFL)" (paraphrasing)...and he did. Jerry Jones is a megalomaniac, and rarely answers or obeys anyone else's rules but his own, but not this time. He shut the hell up.
 

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We shouldn't forget the true purpose of the NFL today, and it's not football. It's primary purpose is to socially-condition the masses to believe in black athletic superiority. It's also used as a propaganda vehicle for other leftist or totalitarian causes such as gun control, obedience and acquiescence to the "Police State" via increasingly draconian security measures, worshipping the military, promoting women's health issues (pink October), etc.

After Manziel's solid outing last week, the Caste media could no longer question his ability to be an effective NFL quarterback. In fact, one could easily project that after getting a few more games under his belt, he could become as dominant as he was during college. So, they had to come up with another way to keep him off of the field, otherwise it would go against their primary purpose.

Remember when Jerry Jones, the owner of the Dallas Cowboys, started talking a lot about how he was going to draft Manziel, but didn't, or how he should have or wanted to draft him, but didn't, and kept talking about it. He said he was told to shut up about Manziel, stop talking about him, "not by Roger Goodell, but by other people, high up (but not necessarily employed by the NFL)" (paraphrasing)...and he did. Jerry Jones is a megalomaniac, and rarely answers or obeys anyone else's rules but his own, but not this time. He shut the hell up.

That's all true -- but. Manziel is his own worst enemy. As unfair as it might be to have him act like a Boy Scout, he knew that's what he had to do for at least the rest of the season in order to be the Browns' starter. That and work hard at his craft, something he allegedly was not interested in last season.

Refrain from partying for two or three months and show up for work early every day and leave late and maybe be the face of the franchise for a decade as his reward. Or continue to be a party animal after all the bad publicity and the two-month rehab for alcohol abuse earlier this year and not be the team's starting quarterback. The choice he made is pathetic.

It seems like racial blinders and the existence of the Caste System are being used to excuse a White athlete's failings of character. One can assume Josh McCown is not out carousing and he continues to get the opportunity to start, not a black quarterback. Manziel knew what the choice was, and either his addiction or lack of character is to blame. No small amount of Whites in this country are screw-ups and that's what Manziel appears to be right now.
 

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What do we really know about Manziels partying? What the media tells us? The same media that is full of it in most other cases? What is the actual truth? I have read that he was out with friends at some clubs. During the time he was out some partying went on. He wasn't passed out drunk or staggering around, just out with friends. Clearly he is not the type of guy that is going to be in bed at 9 after attending his church group. Can't one freakin' white guy in the NFL be like that? Does every single NFL Qb have to be an overt family man/religious fanatic? Is that what we are reduced to? Wanting every single white man to be some kind of 1950's Ward Cleaver type of person.

I find the guy refreshing and the neo-puritanical desire to see him reduced to being another white QB drone is ridiculous. Are the low IQ black QB's spending all night studying the playbook? Is it really that necessary to study the playbook all day. They have been playing football for years, it's all basically the same. If morons like Tyrod Taylor and Cam Newton can be successful then so can Johnny Manziel. He doesn't need to be Peyton Manning, because he isn't.

Anyway the coach at Cleveland wanted an excuse to bench him and play McCown, because McCown will play within the system he wants. They would have found some reason to bench him, the coach didn't want Manziel to play but was forced to, now he has an excuse not to play him. All according to script.
 

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One of the characteristics of leftist propaganda is that you can read the article in question and still not know what happened.

They write this way because the facts don't matter. Their purpose is to make people think and feel a certain way. So they omit facts that get in the way of the narrative they're promoting.

This Johnny Manziel story has all the earmarks of leftist propaganda. You read the stories and still have no idea what it is that Manziel is alleged to have done. Yet they insinuate he did something very bad.

Well, what was it? What exactly did he do? If anything.
 
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What do we really know about Manziels partying? What the media tells us? The same media that is full of it in most other cases? What is the actual truth? I have read that he was out with friends at some clubs. During the time he was out some partying went on. He wasn't passed out drunk or staggering around, just out with friends. Clearly he is not the type of guy that is going to be in bed at 9 after attending his church group. Can't one freakin' white guy in the NFL be like that? Does every single NFL Qb have to be an overt family man/religious fanatic? Is that what we are reduced to? Wanting every single white man to be some kind of 1950's Ward Cleaver type of person.

I find the guy refreshing and the neo-puritanical desire to see him reduced to being another white QB drone is ridiculous. Are the low IQ black QB's spending all night studying the playbook? Is it really that necessary to study the playbook all day. They have been playing football for years, it's all basically the same. If morons like Tyrod Taylor and Cam Newton can be successful then so can Johnny Manziel. He doesn't need to be Peyton Manning, because he isn't.

Anyway the coach at Cleveland wanted an excuse to bench him and play McCown, because McCown will play within the system he wants. They would have found some reason to bench him, the coach didn't want Manziel to play but was forced to, now he has an excuse not to play him. All according to script.

If you allow me, I'll play Devil's Advocate.

What do YOU really know about Johnny Manziel? Have you ever met him? Have you been in the locker room, practice field, or game huddle with him?

What proof do you have "the coach at Cleveland wanted an excuse to bench him?"

For what its worth, the Browns coaching staff, management, and team know him and we don't. I don't like the NFL as an institution any more than you do, but the Browns did invest a lot of money in Manziel and have more to gain by playing him (if he won games) than they do by benching him.

In other words, they wouldn't replace him as starting QB a few days after seemingly giving him the job for the rest of the season without thinking they are better off without him.
 

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What do we really know about Manziels partying? What the media tells us? The same media that is full of it in most other cases? What is the actual truth? I have read that he was out with friends at some clubs. During the time he was out some partying went on. He wasn't passed out drunk or staggering around, just out with friends. Clearly he is not the type of guy that is going to be in bed at 9 after attending his church group. Can't one freakin' white guy in the NFL be like that? Does every single NFL Qb have to be an overt family man/religious fanatic? Is that what we are reduced to? Wanting every single white man to be some kind of 1950's Ward Cleaver type of person.

I find the guy refreshing and the neo-puritanical desire to see him reduced to being another white QB drone is ridiculous. Are the low IQ black QB's spending all night studying the playbook? Is it really that necessary to study the playbook all day. They have been playing football for years, it's all basically the same. If morons like Tyrod Taylor and Cam Newton can be successful then so can Johnny Manziel. He doesn't need to be Peyton Manning, because he isn't.

Anyway the coach at Cleveland wanted an excuse to bench him and play McCown, because McCown will play within the system he wants. They would have found some reason to bench him, the coach didn't want Manziel to play but was forced to, now he has an excuse not to play him. All according to script.

What we know about it is that there have been a lot of pictures showing him partying over the past three or four years, often with black celebrities. We also know that he's an alcoholic because he did a lengthy rehab stint for it.

Manziel wrote his own script in this case. I would find it more "refreshing" if he would back it up on the field but he hasn't. He looked like crap when he played last year because he had his priorities wrong. Even so the starting job for the rest of this year and beyond was his for the taking and he blew it. And if you want to call it all a "script" that he would get demoted again for partying then you've gone into bigunreal territory because then Johnny would have had to willingly play along with it.

If you win a Heisman Trophy and get drafted in the first round and have the opportunity to be a football hero in the NFL, you prioritize and take care of first things first. If you're a drunk, you either deal with that early on or pay the consequences. Manziel has been a screw-up, and again I'll say those who can't see it have racial blinders on. Yes, the Caste System is unfair, but White quarterbacks especially can buck it because the black talent pool remains miniscule at that position.

Ben Roethlisberger almost saw his career spin out of control because he was too public and too careless with his partying. He was even persecuted for it, suspended for six games even though he was never accused of a crime much less convicted of one.

But the differences are: 1. Big Ben was already a proven star at his position; and 2. he cleaned his act up and was able to restore his image. Manziel has done neither. As of now he's still a punk living off his college fame.

And btw, Peyton Manning drinks. He swears, he's no Boy Scout. I bet many if not most starting quarterbacks enjoy some drinks. But Peyton Manning has always had his priorities in order.
 

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If you allow me, I'll play Devil's Advocate.

What do YOU really know about Johnny Manziel? Have you ever met him? Have you been in the locker room, practice field, or game huddle with him?

What proof do you have "the coach at Cleveland wanted an excuse to bench him?"

For what its worth, the Browns coaching staff, management, and team know him and we don't. I don't like the NFL as an institution any more than you do, but the Browns did invest a lot of money in Manziel and have more to gain by playing him (if he won games) than they do by benching him.

In other words, they wouldn't replace him as starting QB a few days after seemingly giving him the job for the rest of the season without thinking they are better off without him.

I don't know Manziel. I don't know what really is going on. I do know that virtually everything in the media is presented in a fashion to advance some narrative and I think the anti-Johnny Football narrative exists. Thus I mistrust it and give him the benefit of the doubt.

But to answer your other questions I only know what I read. And that could all be BS but I have read that the Cleveland coach was not thrilled about the decision to go with Manziel the rest of the way because he felt that McCown gave the team the best chance to win However management wanted to see what they had in Johnny so the decision was made. The inference was made in the articles I read that the coach was reluctant to make the switch to Johnny because doing so might result in more loses and thus him getting fired. So the coach had some very self serving reasons in his mind NOT to start Manziel.

Others here, Don included, have pointed out that Pettine (or the coaching staff) was upset the way Manziel was playing, leaving the pocket, throwing on the run, etc. The stuff that is SOP for most black QB's was discouraged in Manziel.

I'm not going to go into the subject of 'how is it possible teams would make decisions that could cost them money' when a basic premise of the caste system is that superior white players are passed over on a regular basis in favor of a conscious or subconscious bias. Throwing money away on black busts and passing over talented white players is business as usual in the NFL and better talent then Manziel has had that happen to them.
 

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Don, the site for some reason does not allow me to respond to your quotes, probably because they are so full of crap (kidding!) but let me address what I think was your main point-that Manziel is a drunk or alcoholic.

I don't know that his stint at a rehab facility is proof of that. Rehab stays for celebrities are ritual moral cleansing displays, that attempt to rehabilitate the public image more then the body. Modern society has a female like fetish for these mostly phony displays of public contrition at the hands of mental health care charlatans in the same way previous generations insisted upon religious conversions to repair bad moral character.

As you well know, the "drunk" label is thrown around mercilessly against white athletes (including the guy in your avatar-who even embraced it, despite being the best at his sport while seemingly a raging alcoholic) so I'm somewhat skeptical of how bad a drunk he is.

I think what bugs me most about this controversy is the whole idea that the NFL is some kind of role model machine that needs to ensure it's players aren't out giving people the idea that they are less then model citizens. That of course is ridiculous. With players involved in video taped spousal abuse, guns going off in night clubs, Pac Man Jones type escapades, murderers going free, pictures of a guy having fun in a night club on his bye week seem laughable by comparison.

Yes I know it's all racial, Matt Jones can't drink a beer but Lawrence Taylor can be a well known coke abusing whore monger/hall of famer. It's not just that the double standard is so egregious, it's that it's so silly. No one who follows the game in any manner, and that includes young kids, thinks these guys are decent people. In fact the attraction of the NFL has become that it is a sort of reality show based on 'thug life'. NFL popularity goes up with each new scandal, and as with the rest of society there doesn't appear to be any reason for some old fashion morality to be returning.

I'd like to see the rigid racial stereotypes of all white players as hard working, clean living, Christian soldiers, and all black players being aggressive, thug alphas, be changed, because one of the tenets of the caste system is that white guys are not man enough to be the bad asses the NFL wants. I remember the days when there were plenty of white guys that were, frankly, hyper aggressive jerks, that were highly successful. That's when the league was much more racially balanced and I think the reason was that white players could also be high testosterone borderline psycho's. Until a hard drinking/partying white player is successful you will continue to have the extreme racial divide in the NFL with few whites.

Name a single current white NFL player with a reputation as a partier in the manner of a Namath, Stabler, Bobby Lane, John Riggins, etc.
 

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On ESPN yesterday, a group of “analysts†were discussing Manziel’s demotion. As the video of him grasping a bottle of champaign whilst mouthing the lyrics to some imbecilic rap song played on a continuous loop, they universally derided his behavior as juvenile and immoral. They referenced his long history of alcoholism, rehab, partying with celebrities, and [gasp!] getting into a drunken domestic argument with his girlfriend last month. When the program went to commercial break, two different alcohol commercials aired (one for liquor, the other for beer) in succession. Welcome to Hypocrisy Nation.

I like him as a player, but Manziel has always been a colossal wigger and “screw-up†(as Don accurately put it). From his choice of garb, to his paling around with rappers and NBA players, to his sickening proclivity for rap “music,†to his love of money/material things, to his abundant supply buffoonish black friends, to his supreme lack of impulse control, to his alleged lack of work ethic. Being from PA, I’ve met plenty of this variety of cretins from the Philadelphia area and I can assure you that it’s a very common phenomenon among rich white kids. They adore/imitate Negroes, because they’re sheltered from real ghetto Negroes. Johnny Wigger...

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