Leonardfan
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Interesting take in that video Freethinker. He lays out a pretty compelling and rational argument. I hope he is correct.
Yes, interesting counterpoint there, Free. But like he says at the end, if Trump continues doing what he did then all bets are off - because all it takes is one of those missiles to hit a barracks full of Russians and then Russian missiles sink the ship that fired it...and then keep those Vera Lynn records handy, if you know what I mean.
Prior to, and at about 2012, Assad, and the civil organization of Syria, were in no danger of uprising or upheaval. Tolerance was mostly practiced by all who lived there, women clothed themselves mostly as they wished, there was a large Christain minority, and the Muslims that did profess were mostly of the Shia sect or of no sect (not the psycho-Sunni sect). With their vast highway system, Syrians were freer to travel about than the swaggering military encampment known to the world as Israel. There was no notable strife in Syria before 2012. Syrian terrain is many things, of which are mountains, rivers, lakes, and good arable land. An abundant land, the Syrian economy was sufficient and developing. Israel has plenty of salt and sand, and not enough water so the Israelis took the entire Sea of Galilee for themselves, by force of course, while the Syrians stood back and let them for want of equal force (see 1974 ceasefire lines). Though they had all of the Sea of Galilee, the Israelis have been lowering its water level, and are now in want of more water, and more land.
I know people that went to Syria before 2012, and testimony can be had online, to confirm those few simple facts. The same can be done for Israel, and I know many who have gone to Israel.
Connected to this story is Ukraine, North of the Black Sea. Russia supplies Europe with natural gas via a pipeline through Ukraine. The Ukrainian government, at present, does not want to pay for Russian gas nor accept transit fees for the line. This Ukrainian government, tethered to International Jewish Central Bank Rule, is opposing anything Russians propose. Consequently, Russians are seeking to run a line along the bottom of the Black Sea to Bulgaria and onward to the rest of Europe. This pipeline is known as the "South Stream".
Syria is important to this gas story because natural gas has been found within Qatar, S. Arabia, and perhaps off the Israeli coast. These countries, and possibly others, independently or collaboratively, want to run a gas line through Syria and Turkey to supply Europe. Part of the Turkish line has already been built. Assad, and the Syrian government, are allied with Russia and do not accept any offer to allow pipelines through their territory.
Out of nowhere, in the mostly peaceful country of Syria, Assad was accused of using lethal chemical weapons against the people of Syria back in 2012. Within weeks, a hoard of evil called "ISIS" was invented and began their spree of torture and killing in Syria. Were it not for Russia, and the very firm DO NOT TOUCH that the Russians made, the U.S. armed forces would have shattered Syria in the same way that U.S. armed forces liberated Libya.
Who are these men calling themselves ISIS? Who supplies them? What do they want? For more than four years the Syrian army has been fighting this evil and trying to liberate and protect Syrians. The Syrian soldiers risk wicked torture and death if captured by ISIS evil, and they do so just to help their fellow man. So many Syrian men have deserted their homeland and fled to Europe while only the real men remain. Europe's open door policy has diminished the number of able men to fight ISIS evil. Worse, these same Syrian soldiers face attacks from Israel under the pretext that the Syrian soldiers are arming and training Palestinians to make war against Israel. They also fight Kurdish men who want to separate part of Syria, to form a Kurdistan, and they face U.S. forces who were "accidentally", and now intentionally, bombing them. These Syrian soldiers are as brave and loyal to their women and children as any man on earth ever was.
So, why would the same Syrian soldiers kill the very people they risk everything to protect?
Many on here have already thrown the towel on Trump. No he is not perfect, far from it. He says some stupid crap on Twitter sometimes that makes even me cringe. I think he should stop using that pile of crap social media platform completely. Yet he has by far been the best president in many areas. He is trying to get jobs back into this country and is at least trying to tackle the huge immigration problem. I mean, what president has done even a tenth of this in our lifetimes? Let us wait and see before calling him a "sellout."
Agreed.Many on here have already thrown the towel on Trump. No he is not perfect, far from it. He says some stupid crap on Twitter sometimes that makes even me cringe. I think he should stop using that pile of crap social media platform completely. Yet he has by far been the best president in many areas. He is trying to get jobs back into this country and is at least trying to tackle the huge immigration problem. I mean, what president has done even a tenth of this in our lifetimes? Let us wait and see before calling him a "sellout."
Thank you Ambrose. Your posts are as good as any that I've ever read. This really helps some of us to understand the bigger picture. I'm worried about all of this is going to play out. The last thing we need is to head into World War III.
You may want to take a few minutes and read through Ann Coulter's tweets and retweets from the last couple of days. She pulls no punches and is very critical with the direction Trump is going and it's not just about the Syrian situation.
https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter
Also, here's another disheartening article from a few days ago that I haven't seen reported anywhere else:
BORDER AGENTS UPSET BY TRUMP PICK OF OBAMA HOLDOVER
'All of the things we fought against happened under this guy's watch'
Published: 3 days ago
(BREITBART) — The Trump Administration rewarded Border Patrol agents for their support of Trump as president by picking an Obama holdover whom they despise to be their boss.
Trump chose the Obama-hired Customs and Border deputy who was tasked with enacting Obama’s open border vision to lead the parent agency of Border Patrol, Customs and Border Protection (CBP). All of the Border Patrol agents who spoke with Breitbart Texas Managing Director Brandon Darby from all nine Southwest border sectors expressed feeling betrayed or otherwise hurt by Trump choosing a man who did so much damage to them to be their new boss.
Many expressed regret for having supported Trump in the first place and for having believed he would actually listen to them and care about what they experienced while risking their lives for other Americans.
The feelings of betrayal come just days after the announcement of Obama-hire Kevin McAleenan as the next Commissioner of CBP. While the organization that represents the agents, the National Border Patrol Council (NBPC) has not spoken about the nomination, Darby spoke about how the line agents feel let down. His comments were made on the Texas radio show The Pursuit of Happiness.
It's not a coincidence that all of this started happening right after Jared and Ivanka become members of his administation.
"Imagine what we can accomplish in the first 100 days."
So...WW I guess You are on the train to smash Trumpy. I am not surprised here on CF. But at least consider one year in, before your disparage him. Really? it's like not even 100 days in. Before you guys pile on. WTF!!!And meanwhile the dregs of the third world still come flooding in. Trump pretended to put forth an ineffectual bill to stop them and that was absurdly blocked by two com lib a-holes dressed up in judge suits and so that's the end of that?
Who is Bringing in These Disease Riddled Savages and Why
Rex Tillerson’s U.S Department of State!...
http://www.rense.com/general96/DtRH44ermg.pdf
Trump doesn't deserve to be given the benefit of any doubt at this point. Let him do something to deserve it, but instead I just hear more noises from his cabinet about how this cowardly sneak attack on behalf of ISIS Israeli Secret Intelligence Service was just the start.
Pentagon Gave Israel Front Row Seats to US Missile Strikes in Syria
Israel's intelligence minister said Tel Aviv was given box seats for Trump's missile attack, which "restored" US prestige in Middle East
http://russia-insider.com/en/israel...ke-restores-us-leadership-middle-east/ri19494
So...WW I guess You are on the train to smash Trumpy. I am not surprised here on CF. But at least consider one year in, before your disparage him. Really? it's like not even 100 days in. Before you guys pile on. WTF!!!
Now the rumors on Twitter are that Gen. Neocon McMasters(replaced Flynn)wants 150k troops for a ground assault in Syria. Just because we threw our support behind Trump does not mean we have to blindly follow him into another war, he deserves every ounce of criticism he's getting, It seems he's duped us all. No deportations or a wall and he's ushering us into WW3 2 months into his presidency, and we're supposed to wait and see?! When the MSM is praising him for his latest move it's time to worry.