NFL 2014 Week 13

[Awake in America]

Chris Berman's commentary on the Jordy Nelson touchdown: "Aaron Rogers to Jordy Nelson ... he hit the slot this time."

Nelson wasn't lined up in the slot, and most of the time isn't. Berman saw a white receiver catch a pass, and immediately assumed "slot receiver", though his eyes said otherwise. He probably meant to say "slant", but his mind is conditioned to see "slot". Subtle, but indicative of just how ingrained the caste system is to these guys.

 

[davidholly]

I'd love to see GB vs Pats as a rematch in the SB, but isn't Philly Whiter than GB? Or does anybody here give them a shot without Foles, in the NFC side of things?

Eagles have more white talent but the Packers utilize their white talent more.

 

[dwid]

Wish he'd target Jordy more.. He gets right around 75-100 yds receving, and Rodgers stops looking his way, but continues targeting Cobb; I just don't get it...

honestly looked like the entire game plan was to sacrifice Jordy's numbers to get other people open. I know someone said he rarely lines up in the slot, but he seemed to be in the slot a few times last night, just not targeted. Maybe they thought Revis would struggle in the slot i dunno but he wasn't targeted. Even his big reception, isn't a route that usually gets a big play out of it, Jordy just made it happen, and yeah Revis was eventually blocked but by the time the guy blocked him Jordy had so much separation it wouldn't have mattered.

OMFG I just looked up the play and Revis is whining that Jordy pushed off, even though hes whining he "isnt using it as an excuse" He barely got touched, barely any contact, ive seen him mug receivers much worse, and isn't there allowed contact within 5 yards anyway?

http://nesn.com/2014/11/darrelle-revis-no-excuses-but-jordy-nelson-pushed-off-on-45-yard-td/

 

[Thrashen]

The Patriots loss to the Packers yesterday won’t become a major issue unless New England loses one of their remaining games (Chargers, Dolphins, Jets, Bills). None of these games are a given, as the Chargers are surging and Pats already lost to Miami (albeit opening week) and nearly lost to the lowly Jets. Denver’s remaining schedule consists of the Bills, Bengals, Chargers, and Raiders, so hopefully “Peyton’s Pinko Plantation” loses another game or two.

As for the contest that we all dubbed “the most palatable Superbowl match-up” (it never seems to work out that way), it wasn’t as exciting as I expected. Our best offensive player, Jordy Nelson, burned Darrell Revis (who is undeniably the best cover cornerback in the NFL) for a 45-yard TD, which was great. Revis realized very quickly that he was losing ground to the “White Flash,” and simply gave up trying to chase Nelson…

Gronkowski had 98 yards and Edelman had 48. Gronk is a mere 90 yards away from achieving his 2[SUP]nd[/SUP] 1,000-yard campaign and Edelman is 257 yards away (he’ll need to average 65 yards)…

In other news, JJ Watt, former “2 Star” high school recruit, pizza delivery boy, and collegiate walk-on (at Wisconsin) might be having the best season for any player in the history of the league. This guy’s 2014 stats are simply remarkable…54 tackles, 11.5 sacks, 1 INT (returned 80 yards for TD), 8 PD, 3 FF, 5 FR (one return for a TD), 3 Rec, 3 Rec TD...

CAPTION: “Das Tier” Scores 3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Receiving TD, 5[SUP]th[/SUP] Overall

If any one man can erase decades of Talmudist-stimulated portrayals of white men as effeminate, weak, unathletic, docile, cowardly, weak-willed, and fatuous, it’s the Nordic Beast who wears #99, looks like Captain America, and has become the Godhead Supreme of America’s unofficial religion (the NFL)…a racist, Marxist, Cultural Communist, Zionist, heterophobic, Female Chauvinist, Black Supremacist, ethno-political athletics corporation that does everything in its power to keep (white) men like Watt from achieving success as one of their employees. Now this young man from Waukesha County (96% white) in Wisconsin has truly ascended and there’s nothing that can be done about it…

Coby Fleener, the talented Colt’s reserve TE that never sees the field unless the plodding “starter,” Dwayne Allen, is incapacitated, had 4 catches, 147 yard, and 2 TDs. The nock on Fleener is that he “can’t block”…so why not use his great receiving talents in the slot like Jimmy Graham or Julius Thomas? I predict that the moment Allen returns, Fleener will become irrelevant once more…

In the Carolina-Minnesota game, Cam Newton was putrid once more and Bridgewater failed to impress in a win. Despite bad play from his QB, Panthers TE, Greg Olsen, will need to average around 55 yards in the remaining 5 games to achieve his 1[SUP]st[/SUP] 1,000-yard season.

Not too much else to get excited about…

Bills WR, Chris Hogan, caught a short TD, but was otherwise ignored.

The two laughable dullards, “Tom and Eli,” managed to lose their 7[SUP]th[/SUP] straight game to the lowly Jaguars, despite being surrounded by an entourage of highly-drafted Negroes. The Giants are absolute losers and I’m enjoying every moment. Perhaps the old wigger will finally resign?

Colt McCoy looked good in place of the now-disgraced Gremlin III. McCoy has looked better than Cousins, but both could be future starters…

Lovie’s “Butt Buccaneers” lost again, the all-black Raiders got destroyed, Pittsburgh lost (but they’re actually whiter than the Saints), and the Ravens lost to the whiter Chargers.

Too bad the Chiefs lost to the “Bolshevik Broncos.” Wes Welker, one of the NFL’s best receivers for many years (the one who re-legitimized white WRs), has been rendered completely irrelevant with Manning at the helm. But, hey, at least when you’re being ignored week-in, week-out, there’s far less chance that you’ll get concussed! Hopefully Wes moves on from the NFL’s version of the NY Yankees this off-season. Knowing the NFL, there probably won’t be much interest in his services for 2015. It would be fantastic to see this odious club go one-and-done come playoff time.

 

[woody39]

Great write up Thrashen, always good to read your summary of the week. Good work mate

 

[Leonardfan]

Thrashen, thanks for bringing up the Welker debacle in Denver. I overlooked Welker this year and just now realized he isn't even at 300 yds receiving on the season. Denver really phased him out since they got the affletic Emmanuel sanders.

Its a sad decline for Welker. Thrashen's comment that Welker relegitimized the white WR is spot on. It can be seen more at the college level than the pro level but their has been an increase in whites playing WR.

Welker is almost at 10k rec yards so i hope he is able to reach that milestone.

 

[Don Wassall]

Thrashen, thanks for bringing up the Welker debacle in Denver. I overlooked Welker this year and just now realized he isn't even at 300 yds receiving on the season. Denver really phased him out since they got the affletic Emmanuel sanders.

Its a sad decline for Welker. Thrashen's comment that Welker relegitimized the white WR is spot on. It can be seen more at the college level than the pro level but their has been an increase in whites playing WR.

Welker is almost at 10k rec yards so i hope he is able to reach that milestone.

Welker has taken a pounding during his career and is now old for a receiver, but blaming Peyton Manning for his pronounced decline this season is once again taking a gratuitous and undeserved shot at one of the greatest White athletes of this and any other era.

 

[Leonardfan]

Welker has taken a pounding during his career and is now old for a receiver, but blaming Peyton Manning for his pronounced decline this season is once again taking a gratuitous and undeserved shot at one of the greatest White athletes of this and any other era.

I don't think I was blaming Manning. I think everyone has high hopes for Welker when the Broncos signed him. He has been injured but he also has been phased out of the offense. He isn't getting the same number of snaps. I do believe it is a coaching/scheme decision more so than anything. They believe that Thomas, sanders, Thomas are all better options than Welker. He has gone from being the primary or number two target to the 4th or 5th option.

I think it is within reason to call Welker's time in Denver a debacle. We all were expecting him to catch 100 balls from Manning every year and it just hasn't worked out that way.

 

[Don Wassall]

You weren't blaming Peyton, sorry if it came across that way. I was referring to Thrashen's criticism of Manning in his summary of yesterday's games, which also took yet another shot at Eli, the apparent secret GM of the Giants.

I certainly expected a better year out of Wes, but unlike some I don't immediately blame a White quarterback every time something goes wrong. Athletes do decline unexpectedly at times, and between the concussions and all the hard tackles he's taken, at 33 Welker isn't what he used to be and Thomas, Thomas and Sanders are admittedly good and in their primes.

 

[FootballDad]

I was pleased to see that sCam Newton set a Carolina franchise record yesterday in his latest debacle against the Vikings. He has now thrown an interception (or more) in eight consecutive games. Congratulations sCam!

 

[Kaptain]

The writer's at rotoworld are relentless in their attacks on Coby Fleener. Here's the latest word from them after Coby's great 2 td 120 some yard performance:

"We ran the entire range of emotions with Fleener on Sunday. He found himself wide open for a 30-yard touchdown in the first quarter and had a rampaging 73-yard score in the third. He also dropped what would have been a crawl-in touchdown and again struggled to win contested catches. Fleener is getting the targets to be a weekly TE1 while Dwayne Allen is out, but his inconsistent hands and apparent fear of contact will make him a risky play week to week"

 

[Don Wassall]

Brett Keisel tore a triceps muscle and is likely done for the season and maybe his career, at least in Pittsburgh, where they didn't even want to bring him back in 2014 but he ended up being their best or second best defensive player at the age of 36.

The media in Pittsburgh is predictably blaming Big Ben for the Crawfords' loss to the Saints. Local sports talk host Mark Madden is generally reprehensible but he has always been right in consistently defending Ben from the media and DWFs and aptly said last night that far from being a scapegoat, Roethlisberger is the closest thing the team has to a solution.

Ben did play poorly yesterday in the first half, but he also banged his throwing hand off a helmet. Maybe it impaired his accuracy and maybe it didn't, but Ben would never say so if it did.

The Steelers just don't have much talent, especially on defense. Big Ben, Leveon Bell and Antonio Brown are excellent football players; after that every other starter is easily replaceable, though of course only by other blacks on the Rooney Rule Plantation.

 

[Thrashen]

Its a sad decline for Welker. Thrashen's comment that Welker relegitimized the white WR is spot on. It can be seen more at the college level than the pro level but their has been an increase in whites playing WR.

Welker is almost at 10k rec yards so i hope he is able to reach that milestone.

Before Wes Welker had his “breakout” 1,000-yard season for the Patriots in 2007, there were only a few white receivers in the league to eclipse 1,000-yards during the 1990’s and 2000’s. Mike Furrey (2006), Drew Bennett (2004), Brandon Stokley (2004), Ed McCaffery (2000, 1999, 1998), Bill Schroeder (1999), Patrick Jeffers (1999), Wayne Crebet (1998), and during that same 2007 season, Kevin Curtis also accomplished the feat.

In the 1980’s, I know of Dwight Clark (1981) and Steve Largent (1983-1986), but I’m not too sure what other guys were successful because I was under 5 years old during that decade.

Of course, we’ve have had several tight ends (Marc Bavaro, Dallas Clark, Jason Witten, Rob Gronkowski) who’ve had done it, too.

After Welker, the most influential white WR of his generation (possibly of all time), think of how many of our guys were finally permitted to become big contributors in the wake of his success: Jordy Nelson, Julian Edelman, Riley Cooper, Brian Hartline, Kevin Walter, Eric Decker, Danny Amendola, Austin Collie, and also the plethora of “fringe” guys that made rosters: Cole Beasley, Chris Hogan, Dane Sanzenbacher, Bryan Walters, Chad Hall, Ryan Whalen, Griff Whalen, Jordan Shipley, Marc Mariani, Kerry Meier, Lance Long, Max Komar, Jeff Janis, Adam Thielen, Josh Cooper, Nick Miller, Greg Camarillo, Brenton Bersin, etc.

I often wonder how many of them would have been given a chance to shine had it not been for #83. It hurts to see such an influential player, a guy with nearly 1,200 career targets, nearly 900 career catches, nearly 10,000 receiving yards, over 6,600 return yards, and 313 points scored go by the wayside for no apparent reason other than offensive scheme. For God’s sake, he’s only been targeted 35 times through 10 games…so how would we know if his skills have indeed “declined?” It’s a waste of one of our best resources for fighting the Caste System.

Peyton Manning has helped our cause immensely over his stellar career, producing four different 1,000-yard seasons for our guys (Stokley, Clark, Decker X2), and helping several other white pass-catchers (Dilger, Gonzalez, Collie, White, Tamme, Dreessen, Eldridge, Santi, Pyatt) over the years. So as Don alluded to, it’s difficult to “root against” a guy like him.

 

[Don Wassall]

Steve Watson and none other than Crissie Collinsworth were thousand yard receivers in the '80s. Jeff Chadwick of the '86 Lions just missed with 995 receiving yards.

There was a long drought between the late '80s and late '90s with no thousand yard wide receivers. Crissie was the last one drafted highly and then developed. Two decades elapsed between TE Mark Bavaro's thousand yard season and Jason Witten achieving it.

Truthteller has written about how the 1990 NFL Draft was a seminal one, with the number of Whites drafted in the first round plunging from the teens in '89 to very few in '90. That year set the template for all the drafts that have come after it.

That decade from the late '80s to late '90s was a lot worse in the NFL than it is now even with this year's sudden decline among White receivers, a lot worse, including on the defensive side. There were more White defensive players but fewer stars.

Ed McCaffrey was a breakthrough receiver, perhaps as much or more so than Welker. Big Ed's downside was that he was one of the "kamikaze" receivers of that era with Tim Dwight, Tom Waddle and others, who seemingly suffered a concussion a game because they would never go down. It was understandable given how rare White receivers were then and still are, but the ones today are much more sensible about knowing when a play is over and thus thwarting the headhunters to some degree.

 

[Quiet Speed]

Unfortunately, I was bored to tears watching the game last night. About the only time I got enthused was when on back to back passes Alex Smith hit Kelce and Fasano. I did find it interesting when Collinsworth talked about Manning running the practices during the week. He said he actually ran the show. I wonder if Peyton will be able to give up football cold turkey. I don’t know if I can see him as a coach. Joining an organization in some capacity and eventually landing a role similar to Elway’s might be a possibility. That would be the ultimate way to determine his mindset on caste football.

 

[woody39]

I don't think anyone has a problem with Peyton Manning as a person or his amazing legacy as a white athlete and what he has achieved.

I think its just people struggle to support the team he now represents and as he is the face of the franchise maybe it taints him from a caste perspective as in the heat of the moment when we see one of the champions of our cause, Welker, not being targeted to the level it has become accustomed too we are bound to be disappointed and look for people to blame.

My view tends to be that Manning is just in a bad situation with a caste coach and VP in Fox and Elway and it should not take away what he has achieved and he shouldn't be blamed for player acquisitions. He is not my favourite quarterback always preferred Brady and Rodgers but he is a sensational quarterback for his generation.

I do think the criticism of Eli is over the top but i can see why emotions run high and people react the way they do as anger at the caste system is legit but no player not even someone as important as Brady has any control over player decisions look at the Welker contract scenario at New England when he wasn't resigned as a perfect example.

 

[Kaptain]

As predicted, Merill Hoge ripped Manziel once again today. Begging the coach not to start him and saying his is not an NFL quarterback. Of course, Hoge has been wrong some many times its funny. Here's a clip of Hoge telling us how much better RGIII is than Andrew Luck:

[video=youtube;waUGa2PqOt4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waUGa2PqOt4[/video]

apparently he also called Aaron Rodgers a bust in 2008. There is a video of him saying Brian Brohm will be a better QB than Rodgers. I'm sure there are other laughable moments supplied by Hoge - these are just 2. Every time I hear the word "skill set" used I automatically think - idiot.

 

[wile]

Never cared for Peyton Manning myself, because I don't care for all pass all the time offense, leaves too much of the field unused. But then again I'm a lifetime old as dirt Packers fan and Favre was never my favorite from that era. Hell even Rogers has teed me off with some comments he made in 2010 about Kuhn being used as halfback while Korey Hall blocked as FB to run out the last quarter of play in a win against Detroit (I gotta memory like a freaking elephant). But this Packers team with Rogers as QB and McCarthy is the best since Lombardi, because Rogers can shut his mouth and McCarthy will run the ball, therefor the whole field is used. And he finally took Mr. Hairstyle and started having Capers use him creatively.

Secondly from Thanksgiving Day I noticed Cooper and Sanchez had some words then the next play Cooper does crossing route and never looks for the ball and gets hit by it, anything come of that?

 

[Don Wassall]

I don't think anyone has a problem with Peyton Manning as a person or his amazing legacy as a white athlete and what he has achieved.

I think its just people struggle to support the team he now represents and as he is the face of the franchise maybe it taints him from a caste perspective as in the heat of the moment when we see one of the champions of our cause, Welker, not being targeted to the level it has become accustomed too we are bound to be disappointed and look for people to blame.

My view tends to be that Manning is just in a bad situation with a caste coach and VP in Fox and Elway and it should not take away what he has achieved and he shouldn't be blamed for player acquisitions. He is not my favourite quarterback always preferred Brady and Rodgers but he is a sensational quarterback for his generation.

I do think the criticism of Eli is over the top but i can see why emotions run high and people react the way they do as anger at the caste system is legit but no player not even someone as important as Brady has any control over player decisions look at the Welker contract scenario at New England when he wasn't resigned as a perfect example.

Bingo! Quarterbacks are employees. They are given great publicity and importance by the media of a society that worships at the shrine of college and pro football, but that's all they are, employees. Personnel decisions are made by well-paid personnel men. Anyone who thinks quarterbacks are responsible for their team's rosters doesn't understand how the Caste System operates.

Two years ago, Paul Kersey wrote an article called "Peyton Manning, Race Realist?" (http://www.castefootball.us/forums/showthread.php/15280-Peyton-Manning-Race-Realist). And now two years later, Peyton is being blamed for the lack of White players on the Broncos (and Wes Welker's decline) and his brother has been cast as some evil White-hater who has vowed never to throw a football to a White receiver.

The truth is that Peyton was never responsible for the Colts having more White receivers and tight ends than other teams; Bill Polian was, just as Polian made the personnel decisions for the Bills when they had the relatively Whitest team in the league (and look how the Colts changed after Polian retired). The fact that Peyton now plays for a coal black team makes that obvious, yet some want to believe that he's undergone some kind of overnight conversion and ordered John Fox and John Elway to purge the Broncos of White players.

The White quarterback bashing needs to stop, as does the ridiculous characterization of some as "wiggers." It's as off-target as the long-time insistence of a certain poster that every sports event in the U.S. is scripted and fixed. Posters need to be productive and take out their frustrations on the real enablers and engineers of the Caste System, not high-profile phantoms that are not going to throw their careers away to please anonymous posters on CF.

 

[woody39]

Bingo! Quarterbacks are employees. They are given great publicity and importance by the media of a society that worships at the shrine of college and pro football, but that's all they are, employees. Personnel decisions are made by well-paid personnel men. Anyone who thinks quarterbacks are responsible for their team's rosters doesn't understand how the Caste System operates.

Two years ago, Paul Kersey wrote an article called "Peyton Manning, Race Realist?" (http://www.castefootball.us/forums/showthread.php/15280-Peyton-Manning-Race-Realist). And now two years later, Peyton is being blamed for the lack of White players on the Broncos (and Wes Welker's decline) and his brother has been cast as some evil White-hater who has vowed never to throw a football to a White receiver.

The truth is that Peyton was never responsible for the Colts having more White receivers and tight ends than other teams; Bill Polian was, just as Polian made the personnel decisions for the Bills when they had the relatively Whitest team in the league (and look how the Colts changed after Polian retired). The fact that Peyton now plays for a coal black team makes that obvious, yet some want to believe that he's undergone some kind of overnight conversion and ordered John Fox and John Elway to purge the Broncos of White players.

The White quarterback bashing needs to stop, as does the ridiculous characterization of some as "wiggers." It's as off-target as the long-time insistence of a certain poster that every sports event in the U.S. is scripted and fixed. Posters need to be productive and take out their frustrations on the real enablers and engineers of the Caste System, not high-profile phantoms that are not going to throw their careers away to please anonymous posters on CF.

I do think Don is right i have not been here as long as most of the regular posters on here but i do think that there is alot of criticism of white quarterbacks when it is clearly not justified, some like Gabbert i would criticize from a football standpoint because i think he was poor. The criticism on non playing reasons is silly it does nothing to highlight the caste system and its racial bias I just think it makes us look a bit silly to lurkers like i was who can be won round to our way and be convinced. If white quarterbacks do things that seem to be quote in quote black they do it to motivate their team mates because they want to win and too win they have to have a good rap ore with their team mates to win, to me its that simple.

Also the idea that the NFL is scripted or fixed I have always found a silly argument but I don't like confrontation so never said anything but Don is right, that kind of fixed scripted stuff doesn't help our cause or the fight against the caste system, we just look a bit silly saying it in my view when it clearly isn't true.

 

[Upside]

The writer's at rotoworld are relentless in their attacks on Coby Fleener. Here's the latest word from them after Coby's great 2 td 120 some yard performance:

"We ran the entire range of emotions with Fleener on Sunday. He found himself wide open for a 30-yard touchdown in the first quarter and had a rampaging 73-yard score in the third. He also dropped what would have been a crawl-in touchdown and again struggled to win contested catches. Fleener is getting the targets to be a weekly TE1 while Dwayne Allen is out, but his inconsistent hands and apparent fear of contact will make him a risky play week to week"

Also worth noting that during the NBC highlights, they didn't show Fleener's 70 yard TD, but did slip in the footage of the dropped pass.

Rodney Harrison also made some stupid comment about the Colt defense as a way to try to 'explain' Colt McCoy's success.

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That really sucks for Brett Keisel too. I hope he plays a few more years; while he doesn't get the stat numbers, watch him play, he's easily in the top half of d-linemen in the league, even at 36. Hell, he's far and away the Steeler's best lineman.

 

[woody39]

I don't understand the criticism of Fleener by rotoworld, ok he may not be the greatest blocker but who cares neither are Thomas or Graham as a poster pointed out the other day on here, classic knocking of a player for no practical reason, alright he dropped a pass everyone drops a pass its football no player is a machine everyone makes a mistake every now and then in life!

Well apart from JJ Watt he is a machine!

 

[Wes Woodhead]

I dont question the greatness of big Peyton Manning. Even though he has terrible cold weather stats on every level I dont hold that against him much. I have lost a lot of respect for him over these Bronco years.

A few weeks ago when he scripted the little keep away endzone celebration, and then acted like it was an organic unfolding of men being boys because they love the game, I lost most of what was left.

That proved to any body not blinded by hero worship that the guy is a PHONEY. Hes fake. Hes an amazing QB, and a well spoken guy, but hes without question a phony. Sorry if thats hard to admit for some of yall.

 

[woody39]

I dont question the greatness of big Peyton Manning. Even though he has terrible cold weather stats on every level I dont hold that against him much. I have lost a lot of respect for him over these Bronco years.

A few weeks ago when he scripted the little keep away endzone celebration, and then acted like it was an organic unfolding of men being boys because they love the game, I lost most of what was left.

That proved to any body not blinded by hero worship that the guy is a PHONEY. Hes fake. Hes an amazing QB, and a well spoken guy, but hes without question a phony. Sorry if thats hard to admit for some of yall.

I'm not Manning's biggest fan prefer watching Brady and Rodgers and i would rank them ahead of him but why exactly is he a phoney? He certainly isn't a phoney quarterback and doesn't seem like a phoney person seems a nice person when he is interviewed.

The end zone celebration is just a joke i don't think that should be held against him too much.

I do agree with you though on his cold weather struggles which why i would put him behind Brady and Rodgers.

 

[Leonardfan]

I usually don't watch the Monday Night pregame show. They are trying to talk about Geno Smiff - it's so funny how they are trying to make excuses.