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Leonardfan said:
Leading NFLEurope sometimes dosn't result in that much in terms of a chnace at anNFL career.Ask Scott McCready, Sean LaChappelle, Jeff Ogden, Aaron Husack, Kevin Drake etc.
mike hass is doomed :(
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Leading NFLEurope sometimes dosn't result in that much in terms of a chnace at anNFL career.Ask Scott McCready, Sean LaChappelle, Jeff Ogden, Aaron Husack, Kevin Drake etc.
Justin Gage has left the Bears, signing a deal with the Titans. Hmm, Vince Young to Justin Gage, what an unbeatable combination.
Gage was highly touted coming out of Missouri but has been a total bust in the NFL. That's one less receiver for Mike Hass to have to beat out to make the Bears roster in '07.
Still ahead ofHass are Rashied Davis, 5-9, who had 22 catches and 2 TDs last year; Mark Bradley a high draft pick out of Oklahoma who has just 32 receptions in his first two NFL seasons; Bernard Berrian, a bust until coming through with 775 yards and 6 TDs in '06, most of it coming early in the season; and Muhsin Muhammad, who's almost 34 and who has just one thousand yard season in the past six years.
According to a post by Tough J. Riggins about Combine 40 times, Hass is as fast as Berrian, who is universally described by the media as a "burner," and is almost as big as Muhammad who is one of the larger receivers in the league (Muhammad is 6-2 and 215, Hass is 6-1 and 209). And Hass is assuredly faster than Muhammad at this stage of Muhammad's carrer.
Logically, the Bears should be grooming Hass to replace Muhammad, but as we know logic goes out the window when it comes to the NFL and racial common sense and fairness. The best case scenario for 2007 looks to be Hass making the roster as the fourth or fifth receiver, and possibly moving up as the season goes along. But it wouldn't be surprising if he gets cut or languishes on the practice squad again. After all he's only one of the most productive college receivers of all time, with peerless hands, superb route-running ability and a gift for getting open and making big plays.
Still ahead ofHass are Rashied Davis, 5-9, who had 22 catches and 2 TDs last year; Mark Bradley a high draft pick out of Oklahoma who has just 32 receptions in his first two NFL seasons; Bernard Berrian, a bust until coming through with 775 yards and 6 TDs in '06, most of it coming early in the season; and Muhsin Muhammad, who's almost 34 and who has just one thousand yard season in the past six years.
According to a post by Tough J. Riggins about Combine 40 times, Hass is as fast as Berrian, who is universally described by the media as a "burner," and is almost as big as Muhammad who is one of the larger receivers in the league (Muhammad is 6-2 and 215, Hass is 6-1 and 209). And Hass is assuredly faster than Muhammad at this stage of Muhammad's carrer.
Logically, the Bears should be grooming Hass to replace Muhammad, but as we know logic goes out the window when it comes to the NFL and racial common sense and fairness. The best case scenario for 2007 looks to be Hass making the roster as the fourth or fifth receiver, and possibly moving up as the season goes along. But it wouldn't be surprising if he gets cut or languishes on the practice squad again. After all he's only one of the most productive college receivers of all time, with peerless hands, superb route-running ability and a gift for getting open and making big plays.
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I have a bad feeling about Hass on the Bears b/c unlike some other black coaches, Lovie seems to have disdain for white WR's RB's and CB's
(Q) Justin Gage obviously won't be back, and I don't think anyone's
going to miss him. But the Bears will need another receiver. Who
might it be? - Dennis (Wheaton, IL)
(A) You're right to assume that Gage will not be back because he
simply never lived up to his potential despite tremendous physical
tools. The Bears have four of their five receivers set for next season:
Muhsin Muhammad, Bernard Berrian, Rashied Davis, and Mark
Bradley. Airese Currie will be coming back from injured reserve -
stop me if you've heard that before - and practice-squaders Mike
Hass and Brandon Rideau will most likely get a look in training
camp. Nevertheless, I'd expect the Bears to select another wideout
on the second day of the draft. It would be great to grab an impact
receiver with a high pick in order to give quarterback Rex Grossman
another weapon on the outside, but there are simply bigger holes to
fill right now at safety, tight end, and along the offensive line.
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going to miss him. But the Bears will need another receiver. Who
might it be? - Dennis (Wheaton, IL)
(A) You're right to assume that Gage will not be back because he
simply never lived up to his potential despite tremendous physical
tools. The Bears have four of their five receivers set for next season:
Muhsin Muhammad, Bernard Berrian, Rashied Davis, and Mark
Bradley. Airese Currie will be coming back from injured reserve -
stop me if you've heard that before - and practice-squaders Mike
Hass and Brandon Rideau will most likely get a look in training
camp. Nevertheless, I'd expect the Bears to select another wideout
on the second day of the draft. It would be great to grab an impact
receiver with a high pick in order to give quarterback Rex Grossman
another weapon on the outside, but there are simply bigger holes to
fill right now at safety, tight end, and along the offensive line.
BearReport
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Hey everyone, here is a good article about Hass. Looks like he is still determined and as of now has the 5th WR spot in Chicago. Once again he has been standing out during offseason workouts too.
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/s ports/118499373642490.xml&coll=7
http://www.oregonlive.com/sports/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/s ports/118499373642490.xml&coll=7
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Just trying to keep folks informed
could you paste the article Leonardfan? for some reason i can't access it. thanks in advance
EDIT: nevermind i got it to work! good news and it seems like he will be making a roster as 4th/5th WR. doesn't look good for Ball though, who might spend a season on PT, and that's best case scenario...
Edited by: backrow
EDIT: nevermind i got it to work! good news and it seems like he will be making a roster as 4th/5th WR. doesn't look good for Ball though, who might spend a season on PT, and that's best case scenario...
Edited by: backrow
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Yea, it really is ironic both Ball and Hass end up with Chicago and both are displaying their skills. Hopefully they both earn roster spots, the Bears WR corp is nothing special, those 2 guys could surpass others if given a fair shot.
The url doesn't work for me. Can someone provide it as a hyperlink?
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its on draftdaddyHass Article
Thanks,encouraging article. Of coursethe same things were being said about how goodHass looked with the Saints last year before Sean Payton suddenly turned on all three of the team's white WRs. We just have to hopeHassactually does getan opportunity with the Bears. Muhammad is near the end of the line, and Berrian had been a dud before catching a lot of long passes in the first half of last season. As for the others Hass is competing against, calling them journeyman material is being highly complimentary.
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Article wrote: "As for the speed issue, Hass always will be slow by league standards. He ran the 40-yard dash in 4.63 seconds at the 2006 NFL Combine."
I am positive that is a misquote. Hass ran a 4.59 at the Combine and a 4.56 at Proday.
http://oregonstate.scout.com/2/509288.html
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15377
Article wrote: "That left the team with 12-year veteran Muhsin Muhammad, speedster Bernard Berrian, slot receiver Rashied Davis, a former Arena League player, and oft-injured Mark Bradley, a second-round pick out of Oklahoma in 2005."
Another misquote, Bernard Berrian is not a speedster, he ran a 4.58 at the Combine.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=141
I wonder how easy it must be to be a journalist nowadays when you don't have to put any work into it and can just write out of your ass.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
I am positive that is a misquote. Hass ran a 4.59 at the Combine and a 4.56 at Proday.
http://oregonstate.scout.com/2/509288.html
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=15377
Article wrote: "That left the team with 12-year veteran Muhsin Muhammad, speedster Bernard Berrian, slot receiver Rashied Davis, a former Arena League player, and oft-injured Mark Bradley, a second-round pick out of Oklahoma in 2005."
Another misquote, Bernard Berrian is not a speedster, he ran a 4.58 at the Combine.
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=141
I wonder how easy it must be to be a journalist nowadays when you don't have to put any work into it and can just write out of your ass.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
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Double Post.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
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It will be interesting to see what becomes of University of Pittsburgh Q.B. Tyler Palko,he being passed over in the draft,and signing a free agent deal with New Orleans.
I don't think it's entirely fair to keep comparing Hass and Berrian. Berrian ran a surprisingly slow 40 at the Combine in '04 but also ran a 4.38 at Fresno State's workout day a couple of weeks later and his brother ran track for Arizona State. Based on his performance in college and the NFL there's no doubtBerrian is one of the faster receivers in the NFL.
Hass and Berrian aretwo different kinds of receivers. Berrian was a disappointment his first two seasons with the Bears and pretty much given up on before coming on last year as a deep threat, buthas little else to offer. Hass is a much more polished and complete receiver who should thrive in the NFLin just about any role other than deep threat if given a fair opportunity.That's not to say Hass can't go deep too, much as Jerry Rice and a number of other wideouts with less than blazing speed did and do, just that it's not his strong suit, really about the onlyslight weaknessin an otherwisetotal package.
Hass and Berrian aretwo different kinds of receivers. Berrian was a disappointment his first two seasons with the Bears and pretty much given up on before coming on last year as a deep threat, buthas little else to offer. Hass is a much more polished and complete receiver who should thrive in the NFLin just about any role other than deep threat if given a fair opportunity.That's not to say Hass can't go deep too, much as Jerry Rice and a number of other wideouts with less than blazing speed did and do, just that it's not his strong suit, really about the onlyslight weaknessin an otherwisetotal package.
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Don, I realize that some players are better vertical threats than their combine times would indicate, Larry Fitzgerald and Chad Johnson come to mind. However, it just bothers me that whenever a white player runs a slow time at the combine the media immediately jumps on it and starts harping how "he isn't fast enough" or the "weak competition" line.
I believe that Hass is only marginally slow for the position by NFL standards in vertical speed. However, Hass "plays fast" which he will never get credit for. Hass plays fast b/c he is one of the best route runners around and adjusts to the ball very well. My NFL comparison to Hass would be Issac Bruce.
David Ball is another player who plays fast. Ball ran a 4.70 at his Proday, but had a pulled quad when he ran it. He had supposedly ran as fast as 4.58 at a private workout.
I believe that Ball is pretty similar to Hass. Ball is a little stronger and better at the jump ball, but Hass is a little faster and gets more separtation on his routes. Both Ball and Hass would project nicely as a number two wideout on a team.
In the current NFL usually the number one wideout is the guy that can be the vertical threat. The number two wideout doesn't have as much speed as a number one, but usually runs good routes and make the tough catch in traffic and occasionally break open deep. Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
I believe that Hass is only marginally slow for the position by NFL standards in vertical speed. However, Hass "plays fast" which he will never get credit for. Hass plays fast b/c he is one of the best route runners around and adjusts to the ball very well. My NFL comparison to Hass would be Issac Bruce.
David Ball is another player who plays fast. Ball ran a 4.70 at his Proday, but had a pulled quad when he ran it. He had supposedly ran as fast as 4.58 at a private workout.
I believe that Ball is pretty similar to Hass. Ball is a little stronger and better at the jump ball, but Hass is a little faster and gets more separtation on his routes. Both Ball and Hass would project nicely as a number two wideout on a team.
In the current NFL usually the number one wideout is the guy that can be the vertical threat. The number two wideout doesn't have as much speed as a number one, but usually runs good routes and make the tough catch in traffic and occasionally break open deep. Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
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Another thing I've noticed is that any white WR that projects as a nice number two wideout (if he were black) becomes a number 3 slot receiver.
Strong Theory: if Wes Welker or Ricky Prohl were black they would be number two wideouts not slot receivers.
And white CB if you look at both those links you will see that Hass ran an official 4.59 40 at the combine. NFLdraftscout lists the official times. You will see some sites list a players 40 time slightly slower to adjust it for "In Pads". Leonard ran an official 4.51 (AVG of two 4.52's and a 4.49) but was listed by scout.com at 4.54. Some sites will only list the players fastest 40 of their 3 trials when they are supposed to average it.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
Strong Theory: if Wes Welker or Ricky Prohl were black they would be number two wideouts not slot receivers.
And white CB if you look at both those links you will see that Hass ran an official 4.59 40 at the combine. NFLdraftscout lists the official times. You will see some sites list a players 40 time slightly slower to adjust it for "In Pads". Leonard ran an official 4.51 (AVG of two 4.52's and a 4.49) but was listed by scout.com at 4.54. Some sites will only list the players fastest 40 of their 3 trials when they are supposed to average it.Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
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How many black wide receivers in the NFL run slower than a 5.8? Why don't I ever hear about how slow those guys are and how they're only suitable for the slot? Or a third receiver? The only black players I ever hear of being described as 'slow' are lineman and, occasionally, a tight end.
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Double post. Edited by: White Shogun
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