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Shadow, don't get disheartened. I think part of it is just a numbers game. This years combine there was 1RB, 5 WR, and 1DB. So 7 skill positions guys who even have the chance to run that fast. I don't know the exact number but I would say over 100 black guys at those positions. There are some white guys that just don't get invited also. Max McCaffrey should have got invited and would have run low 4.4 maybe high 4.3. Sam McGuffie would have lit up the combine if given the chance. Dylan Haines should have been invited this year. He was a 3 year starter at TEXAS with 12 career interceptions! But instead they invite at a black safety from St. Francis who ran a 4.7 and tested awful. There are many more white guys that could go to the combine and test very well.

Like Don said though there are many kids though who play other sports (baseball, lacrosse, soccer) instead. Maybe the kids don't want to play football because they watch football games on TV and don't see white people like them so they pick a sport where they do see white people. Or maybe their parents push them into another sport because they don't see white people playing in the NFL so they think their kid would have a better shot at another sport.

But the Caste System is the main reason you don't see those times. In my personal life I can name many white kids who were fast and athletic who didn't play any sports at all. They just thought sports were for the blacks (especially football and basketball). That they just couldn't compete with blacks so they just don't play or don't even try. In my life I can't think of any athletic black kids who didn't play something, because they thought well they are black so they have to be good, or that its their way out.

This doesn't even count the countless amount of kids who do play and get screwed over in recruiting. Who rush for thousands of yards and all-state and players of the year but never get a sniff at a scholarship.

Just think about the poll they did on the combine on who would run faster Richard Sherman or Christian McCaffrey. Any reasonable person who has any idea would be able to watch and see that McCaffrey is faster but in their poll 100% said Richard Sherman!! Or how Julian Edelman is scrappy, slot receiver but Antonio Brown is fast, explosive and game breaker. But Edelman is actually the far better athlete and its backed up by their testing results. But if you took a poll 100% would think Brown is.

I'm not sure on how to break down the caste system. But I know the more people we educate and point out the case system too has to help.

Outstanding post.

In my own life, I loved baseball and played it at a high level and had very good hand-eye coordination and athleticism. But in high school, I drifted toward the "cool" crowd, the pot smokers and the long-hairs. Coming from a broken home and a dysfunctional family it was perhaps inevitable, or the easy way out, but something I've always regretted though I later lifted myself up by my bootstraps and put myself through law school and have done many things I'm proud of.

I've seen the same with many other White boys and men ever since -- regretting after the fact that they didn't pursue sports much more strongly, also many times academics also. The White family has been chipped at and targeted for a long time, it's the Great American Tragedy. It's heartbreaking how young White men exist in such a confused state in a society whose alien "elites" detest them and want to destroy them psychologically. The Caste System exists to keep White athletes down while artificially lifting many black athletes above and beyond what they deserve, including excusing pathological and criminal behavior when engaged in. I admire all White kids who excel at sports and academics, especially the ones who come from broken families or other difficult circumstances.
 

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Now that the Kizer hype has died down, the Watson hype has picked back up again. What should scare teams away from Watson is that he’s an interception machine. 32 ints in his last 30 games. Not good for a modern college player. It’s like a top baseball pitching prospect giving up 1 hr a game to low A players.
 

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From Bleacher Report:

"More than a few scouts said they believe T.J. Watt, of Wisconsin and brother to J.J. Watt, eventually will be seen as one of the top three players in this draft, if not the best.

It wasn't just the Watt name or the combine performance that impressed the scouts; it was also what they saw on video. One scout called Watt "the second- or third-most impressive guy I saw on the tape."
 

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From Bleacher Report:

"More than a few scouts said they believe T.J. Watt, of Wisconsin and brother to J.J. Watt, eventually will be seen as one of the top three players in this draft, if not the best.

It wasn't just the Watt name or the combine performance that impressed the scouts; it was also what they saw on video. One scout called Watt "the second- or third-most impressive guy I saw on the tape."

Dat Watt DNA.
 

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I think Watt is a fringe 1st rounder and Biegel will go in the 3-4th. Hendrickson is still getting totally overlooked - he should be drafted on day 2z
 

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Just came across this Gayhoo story about the draft, their "top 51-100 players". Right there at number 55 is Cooper Kupp with the requisite Caste description: 55. Eastern Washington WR Cooper Kupp — Extremely reliable and driven short-area slot receiver with limited long speed and upside.
 

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Hell ya looking forward to Gentry and Maulhardt doing work tomorrow!!
 

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Shadow, don't get disheartened. I think part of it is just a numbers game. This years combine there was 1RB, 5 WR, and 1DB. So 7 skill positions guys who even have the chance to run that fast. I don't know the exact number but I would say over 100 black guys at those positions. There are some white guys that just don't get invited also. Max McCaffrey should have got invited and would have run low 4.4 maybe high 4.3. Sam McGuffie would have lit up the combine if given the chance. Dylan Haines should have been invited this year. He was a 3 year starter at TEXAS with 12 career interceptions! But instead they invite at a black safety from St. Francis who ran a 4.7 and tested awful. There are many more white guys that could go to the combine and test very well.

Like Don said though there are many kids though who play other sports (baseball, lacrosse, soccer) instead. Maybe the kids don't want to play football because they watch football games on TV and don't see white people like them so they pick a sport where they do see white people. Or maybe their parents push them into another sport because they don't see white people playing in the NFL so they think their kid would have a better shot at another sport.

But the Caste System is the main reason you don't see those times. In my personal life I can name many white kids who were fast and athletic who didn't play any sports at all. They just thought sports were for the blacks (especially football and basketball). That they just couldn't compete with blacks so they just don't play or don't even try. In my life I can't think of any athletic black kids who didn't play something, because they thought well they are black so they have to be good, or that its their way out.

This doesn't even count the countless amount of kids who do play and get screwed over in recruiting. Who rush for thousands of yards and all-state and players of the year but never get a sniff at a scholarship.

Just think about the poll they did on the combine on who would run faster Richard Sherman or Christian McCaffrey. Any reasonable person who has any idea would be able to watch and see that McCaffrey is faster but in their poll 100% said Richard Sherman!! Or how Julian Edelman is scrappy, slot receiver but Antonio Brown is fast, explosive and game breaker. But Edelman is actually the far better athlete and its backed up by their testing results. But if you took a poll 100% would think Brown is.

I'm not sure on how to break down the caste system. But I know the more people we educate and point out the case system too has to help.
I agree with Don and the others excellent post Dolphin.
There is no question emotions get the better of me and I walk around with a lot of anger and frustration although I should point out I am not a violent person. I know it is not healthy to be angry all the time but I was born pissed off. And events like the NFL combine only add fuel to my fire. What really grates is that for me a little bit goes a long way with me. For instance if a couple of white guys had run in the 4.3s at the combine and one or two more ran in the 4.4s I wouldn't have launched into my diatribe. But as you say it is slim pickings every year and it is hard to bake a proper cake without all the ingredients.
Rarely if ever do athletic black athletes pursue something other than sports. And in baseball every year or so you have two way high school players who pitch and play the outfield. Some are very fast runners. Often the white player who fits that description ends up a pitcher. This year highly touted Jordan Adell is marked as a pitcher and outfielder. He has blazing speed. He is black. What are the odds he becomes a pitcher? Almost zero. He will be brought through the minors as an outfielder.
Then you have the white disappearing acts. Andrew James was a speedster WR who signed with Wisconsin. He dropped out and as far as I know he has not shown any inclination of continuing on in football. He has an active web site on twitter though. What gives?
In 2009 OF Mitchell Shifflett , who also was a sprinter, ran the 60 yard dash in a record 6.11 seconds at the biggest baseball showcase for high school players. Mind boggling speed there is no other way to describe it. He went on to play for Virginia, a big time program. He played CF and put up some decent stats. His speed was very evident. Then before his senior season he left the program and was never heard from again unless you count his twitter account which has been very active. Go figure.
When some key cast of characters from a limited lot start dropping out it is tough to absorb. As for this year's combine I will munch down on the few morsels including CM breaking the RB barrier, the Iowa TE running a 4.52 and Ryan Switzer displaying his quickness.
Best we can hope for now is for the white guys to light up the 40 on their pro days.
 

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I'm hearing via Twitter message that WR Gehrig Dieter had a very solid workout at Bamas pro day. Ran a 4.55, 15 bench reps, and 10ft broad jump!! 6'3 210 another big underrated WR prospect.
 
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Many of the fastest Whites switch to baseball, lacrosse, and other sports. And the ones who stick to football are systematically slotted to the racially appropriate positions in high school and earlier, and then denied scholarships at the major college programs, which serve as the NFL's minor leagues. And then many more are snubbed by the Combine, including a lot of fast players at the small schools.

It's more complicated than that of course, but how many black burners (4.39 or faster) were there out of the total number of black RBs, WRs, safeties and cornerbacks at this year's Combine? It was a small percentage. The Olympics up until 1984 or so showed that Whites could compete very well in the sprints, and some still do. If the Caste System were reversed and it was Whites nurtured along and given the great bulk of the opportunities, there would be more White burners at events like the Combine. But like so much else in this society, results are artificially brought about. If one just watched televised football and basketball, along with commercials and network programming in general, one would be convinced that the U.S. is a black majority country and that there are nearly as many Asians as Whites. The (fake news) media is pushing an agenda, one that appears cartoonish and primitive to those with eyes to see, but the great bulk of the White population is indoctrinated into it to a frightening degree and are seemingly impervious to racial realism.
Today I was reading through the weekly print ads I get in the mail. Both the local Kroger and Wal-Mart ads were void of any White males. This is in an area where White males are about 35% of the entire population. Then I was watching Lou Dobbs on FBN this evening and neither the ad for Comcast nor the ad for TD Ameritrade had any White males in it. Both, of course, showcased a black male IT worker and financial trader, with the black financial trader sitting right next to a White female trader. There was a similar depiction in the Walmart print ad. I guess us White men just don't exist anymore in Amerika.
 

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Today I was reading through the weekly print ads I get in the mail. Both the local Kroger and Wal-Mart ads were void of any White males. This is in an area where White males are about 35% of the entire population. Then I was watching Lou Dobbs on FBN this evening and neither the ad for Comcast nor the ad for TD Ameritrade had any White males in it. Both, of course, showcased a black male IT worker and financial trader, with the black financial trader sitting right next to a White female trader. There was a similar depiction in the Walmart print ad. I guess us White men just don't exist anymore in Amerika.

You're right, we "don't exist" in the LA/Chicago/NYC snow globe, where the vast majority of all TV/Movies/Advertising/Magazines/Newspapers are conceived and financed. White males are intentionally underrepresented by the Jew-usual suspects in all forms of media, but despite endless decades of digital propaganda, they couldn't stop white men from pulling the lever for a tall, handsome, blonde-haired, blue-eyed alpha male with a Germanic last name when standing in the voting booth...

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Remember to keep an eye on Rutgers DB Anthony Ciofii who has videos on his Twitter of him running 40 yard dash times between 4.30 and 4.37. Rutgers pro-day is Friday!
I just googled some pictures of him, are we sure he's White ?

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38" vert for Gentry too! There is a tweet of him making a ridiculous one handed catch and running into the wall.
 
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Why doesn't Pauline just come out and say that the Patriots are the only team willing to give him a long look because they are not scared of playing white WRs. Honestly the projecting every single white skill position player to the Patriots does not do much for the cause overall since they have a limited number of slots and it portrays the Pats as an outlier (which they are). However no one ever asks why other teams don't draft white WRs even after the Pats excellent white WRs dominate every year. The NFL is not a copycat league when it comes to success, it is only a copycat league when it comes to the caste system.


Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline passes along that Wyoming WR Tanner Gentry met with the Patriots during Thursday's pro day and had dinner with the Ravens later that night.

Gentry posted solid measureables all the way around on pro day. Among his testing results, he hoisted the bar 19 times on the bench press, notched a 38.5-inch vertical jump and sprinted through the 40-yard dash in 4.53 seconds. Pauline writes that the 6-foot-1, 208-pounder "looked outstanding during pass catching drills including a one-handed grab on a go route which drew a rise from scouts." The analyst notes that "he’s the type of player the Patriots swipe in the late rounds then goes on to have a tremendous career." This past season, Gentry logged a stellar 72-1326-14 receiving line


Jarwin had a good pro day after being a huge combine snub and he apparently has upside! Jarwin is also taller than 5 or 6 of the short black "TEs" that are part of the deepest TE class ever :crazylick:

NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt writes that Oklahoma State TE Blake Jarwin "caught the ball very well in position drills" during his program's pro day on Thursday.

"He's a straight-line tight end who is projected to be drafted late on Day 3 or become a priority free agent," Brandt writes. Jarwin is just one of a number of highly-athletic tight ends in this loaded class. The 6-foot-5, 246-pounder put in runs of 4.76 and 4.69 seconds in the 40-yard dash on Thursday, plus a 34.5-inch vertical jump and a broad jump of 10-foot-1. CBS Sports' Dane Brugler sees upside in his "raw athletic traits."
 
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I mentioned Knight would be an interesting candidate to convert to DB or WR like Scott Frost and Eric Crouch both did in the early 00s. He supposedly impressed at the combine enough where some teams view him as a developmental QB. I wouldn't mind seeing him get a shot at safety though because he is uber athletic and we need more white DBs.

According to Bruce Feldman, some teams now view Texas A&M QB Trevor Knight as a possible WR or S prospect.

Knight tested in the 96th percentile among quarterbacks. Per MockDraftable, Trevor Knight has an 84.6% comparison score to Leonte Carroo and an 81.8% comparison score to Mel Mitchell, a safety. Knight will get limited looks in the NFL as a passer, so a position switch might be his best shot.
 

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Every year the same thing. It is like a black panther convention at the Combine. Let us hope some of these "slow" white guys have good pro days.
 

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Per several tweets, Tanner Gentry had an outstanding pro day! 19 reps on the bench, 10'-3" broad jump. Ran crisp routes and caught everything in his path!

38" vert for Gentry too! There is a tweet of him making a ridiculous one handed catch and running into the wall.

Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline passes along that Wyoming WR Tanner Gentry met with the Patriots during Thursday's pro day and had dinner with the Ravens later that night.

Gentry posted solid measureables all the way around on pro day. Among his testing results, he hoisted the bar 19 times on the bench press, notched a 38.5-inch vertical jump and sprinted through the 40-yard dash in 4.53 seconds. Pauline writes that the 6-foot-1, 208-pounder "looked outstanding during pass catching drills including a one-handed grab on a go route which drew a rise from scouts." The analyst notes that "he’s the type of player the Patriots swipe in the late rounds then goes on to have a tremendous career." This past season, Gentry logged a stellar 72-1326-14 receiving line

It will be interesting to see where Gentry gets drafted. If he was black he might be taken in the second round.

But Gentry is white...
 

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This is what I am sensing after rummaging around post combine. Chad Hansen is not a lock to get drafted which would be a bummer and a shock to me but should we be? They were looking for a faster 40 time from him despite the fact he landed in the average range. At this point I would say he has a 45 to 50% chance of getting drafted.( About the same chances Safeties Steelhammer and Gerry have of getting drafted). Trent Taylor in my mind will not get drafted. His 4.64 40 hurt him. That leaves two fairly certain guys but as we have discovered the WR is the toughest for white guys to break through so nothing is cast in stone. Unless people were paying attention to ( or wanted to) the Patriots but I doubt it. Cooper Kupp despite his slow 40 is well liked by some but not all so someone will get him probably much later than expected which again has been the trend with white WR's. Heck Ryan Swope was a 6th round pick I believe? As for Ryan Switzer we will probably have to sweat it out. Most have him around the 5th round with some as high as the third but I can just see this whole thing developing on day three where a bunch of no names start popping up and no Switzer until close to the very end. Interesting guy this Switzer. I never noticed until it was mentioned on scouting sites but he has a long torso and short legs which makes him look even smaller. It also means he has to put them down faster while running which means in terms of pure quick muscle fiber he is probably the quickest twitch athlete in the entire draft. In other words he has to go through a lot more strides than most all of the other guys while running the 40. They are running faster because they have longer strides not because they are faster in movement. I guess it could be worse. Two years ago not one white WR was drafted and last year only two ( albeit neither really played). Based on these lousy historical facts if we can slip in three white WR's this draft I won't go off on a tirade.
 
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