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One can only hope that Tebow defeats Pittsburgh!
If he could run a more diverse offense, then maybe. If they just used Florida's, or even what sCam runs in Carolina, it would probably be likely. But no, they run a stagnant "it's never gonna work" version of the zone-read and it becomes true.
 

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I wonder if there is any truth to this or is the media just starting controversy here.

Multiple sources" tell Profootballtalk.com the Broncos are prepared to bench Tim Tebow if he struggles against the Steelers in Sunday's Wild Card game.
The Broncos reportedly "have a package for (backup Brady) Quinn to be used in second-and-long or third-and-long situations." It would be incorrect to say coach John Fox has lost faith in Tebow since he hasn't had faith in him from the beginning, but it's clear Tebow's turnover-marred performances during Denver's recent three-game losing streak have Fox ready to turn to Quinn, who has not taken a regular-season snap since 2009. Tebow will be facing perhaps his most difficult test of the season in a Steelers defense ranked first against the pass and eighth against the run.
 

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Analysts are acting like the Broncos have a great offense and the only thing holding them back is Tebow... Do they forget that this offense also blew when an experienced QB Orton was leading them to a 1-4 record. Without Tebow (7-4) Denver doesn't even come anywhere near the playoffs!

Next year if Denver gets behind Tebow and a better O-line, 2 legit TE's, a great slot WR and some better play calling then Tebow will shine.

Tebow was best at Florida with Hernandez at TE, Cooper and Harvin at WR. Decker can handle Cooper's role, Denver just needs to find a slot WR and TE's and maybe a great pass catching RB like Hillis.
 

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Here is an article from some writer that claims Tim Tebow will never win a Superbowl. If anyone has time please post some comments below the article. This DeLuca is a prick.



[h=1]Why Tim Tebow Will Never Win a Super Bowl
[/h] By Jeff DeLuca, Yahoo! Contributor Network Jan 15, 8:23 am EST









Tim Tebow seems like a pretty good guy. Humble, talented, Heisman Trophy winner, national champion at the University of Florida. He's not been bad as the Denver Broncos quarterback this season either, leading his team to the AFC Divisional Round.
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But as the New England Patriots showed Saturday, Jan. 14, Tebow has a long way to go as a quarterback if he wishes to lead the Broncos to a Super Bowl title.
While Tom Brady tied the record with six touchdown passes, Tebow never got on track and finished a subpar 9-for-26 for 136 yards. The Tebowing, Tebow Time and the Skip Bayless man crush for Tebow this season may have made fir entertainment, but watching him play Saturday showed he's not close to winning a Super Bowl title.
As the NFL often reminds us, NFL quarterbacks don't always have a long time to prove themselves as a championship caliber signal caller. For these reasons, it's unlikely the quarterback will ever hoist the Lombardi Trophy above his head.
1. He's not that good: What would you say to a quarterback with a 78.2 rating with 3,474 yards passing? How about 26 touchdowns with a 56.7 completion percentage? Not too bad. A little better than average maybe? Tell that to Mark Sanchez, the New York Jets quarterback that put up those numbers. That's the quarterback for the 8-8 Jets, who missed the playoffs this season and Sanchez has been feeling the brunt of the frustration and the aftermath of the disappointing season as fans are now calling for a replacement.



Compare those numbers to Tebow, who led the 8-8 Broncos into the playoffs by winning a division with no team that finished better than .500. Tebow finshed with a completion percentage of 46.5, threw for 1,729 yards and 12 touchdowns in 14 games. He finished with a quarterback rating of 72.9—a number that puts him 28th in the NFL, just below Cleveland's Colt McCoy and Tampa Bay's Josh Freeman.
Among starting quarterbacks this season, he finished dead last in completion percentage and yards per game, On the positive note, he threw just six interceptions, so he didn't complete many passes to the other teams either.
Remember Sanchez was the toast of the league a couple years ago, leading the upstart Jets to the AFC championship game. Flash forward two years and will Tebow be in the situations Sanchez finds himself in now?
2. His mechanics need improvement: While it's possible Tebow can become a good pocket passer with time, he's been in the league two years and his motion still needs improvement. It needed work when he was at Florida, and it still needs improvement now. Maybe he'll improve as a pocket passer, become better at reading defenses and his accuracy will also improve—only time will tell. Unfortunately, for him, the window to show that improvement may close too soon.
3. The NFL defenses are too fast: The Denver offense this season included many option plays and roll out passes. Quick, name the last NFL team to run the option as often as Denver to win the Super Bowl. It's what ESPN's Gregg Easterbrook called a "high school" offense in an article earlier this season.
What the Patriots did Saturday night, was the reason why teams don't run that kind of simplistic, spread option offense. NFL defenses are too fast for that to work week in and week out. While Tebow has proved you can win games that way, it's hard to be successful on a consistent basis.
3. He'll get injured: Tebow is big and strong, but there is a reason why NFL quarterbacks slide feet first when running in the open field. Tebow often acts like a running back in the open field, which is exciting for fans but leads to many hard hits. While he's young and bounces back from them now, that won't always be the case. It's a matter of time before he takes a hit and misses time.
4. Denver will give up on him: Tebow's performance this season has earned him the opportunity to come back as the starting quarterback next year. If he continues to improve he'll continue to be the team's starter. But the time frame from quarterback of the future to the waiver-wire isn't a long one and if Denver decides he's not going to lead them to the Super Bowl anytime soon, he'll end up like other first round picks—David Carr, Tim Couch and even Brady Quinn—that were traded or released. Often these quarterbacks move to another team, but as a backup.
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Here is an article which compares the early careers of Tebow and John Elway. Surprisingly, Tebow has had a better start to his career than the legend Elway. Let's hope he continues to progress.

[h=1]John Elway is Doing Tim Tebow No Favors: Fan Opinion[/h] By Eric R. Ivie, Yahoo! Contributor Network Jan 17, 10:06 am EST









This is really getting tiresome. One minute, Tim Tebow is parting the Red Sea, and the next minute, his boss, John Elway, is begrudgingly naming him the starter going into the 2012 season. Didn't we just go through this a month or two ago with the seemingly bipolar Elway?
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Before Elway corkscrews his young quarterback's brain into the ground, he ought to take a look in the mirror. Sure, he had a great career as a Denver Bronco—after he threw his hissy fit with the Baltimore Colts, of course—but let's go back in time and compare his early stats to those of one Mr. Tebow.
In Tebow's first 14 regular season games as an NFL starter, he had an 8-6 record, threw for 2,383 yards, 17 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions. He also ran for 887 yards and scored 12 times on the ground.
In Elway's first 14 regular season games as an NFL starter, he had a 7-7 record, threw for 2,143 yards, 10 touchdowns, and 18 interceptions. He ran for 201 yards and scored one rushing touchdown.
Advantage: Tebow.
Tebow's first playoff game: he beat the Pittsburgh Steelers. He threw for 316 yards, 2 touchdowns, and no interceptions. He also ran the ball for 50 yards and a third score. And that was against the league's best pass defense.



Elway's first playoff game: he lost to the Steelers. He threw for a paltry 184 yards, 2 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions. He was out-dueled by Mark Malone.
Advantage: Tebow.
I can only assume that Elway has suddenly reverted back to souring on Tebow again because of the 45-10 beatdown that the New England Patriots just laid on the Broncos. That's interesting because I watched the game, and I never saw Tebow out there giving up any of Tom Brady's 6 touchdown passes, any of his 363 passing yards, or any of the Patriots' 509 yards of offense. Elway may want to focus his attention on Denver's shoddy defense, instead. Or just chalk it up as getting smoked on the road by a far better team, led by a very experienced quarterback and head coach.
Does Elway really want to make personnel decisions based on one lousy playoff game? I vividly remember Super Bowl XXIV. Final score: San Francisco 49ers 55, Denver Broncos 10. Mr. Elway stunk the joint up with 108 passing yards and 2 interceptions. Joe Montana threw for 297 yards and 5 touchdowns in the game. A far better team, led by a very experienced quarterback and head coach, smoked them.
Butt out, Elway. Good grief, is this your way of developing your future quarterback? By screwing with his head? Be thankful that your team won its division, won a playoff game, and had the opportunity to compete for a spot in its conference championship game. Twenty-four other teams in the NFL wish they could have been so fortunate.
Now just close your big mouth before the words "Tim Tebow" come out of it again.
The author is a Featured Contributor in Sports for the Yahoo! Contributor Network, and you can follow him on Twitter at @RedZoneWriting and on Facebook.
 

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even the rotoworld acknowledges the obvious:

In the first half of their final four games, the Broncos ran the ball on 45-of-49 first-down attempts.

That's an alarmingly lopsided number, and goes a long way toward explaining why the Broncos often fell behind early as they sputtered down the stretch. It also speaks to an inability from the Broncos' coaching staff to put Tim Tebow in the best position to succeed. Denver is going to have to feature far less conservative play-calling if it hopes to get off to a strong start and get the most out of Tebow's unorthodox skill-set in 2012.


Source: Denver Post
 

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even the rotoworld acknowledges the obvious:

In the first half of their final four games, the Broncos ran the ball on 45-of-49 first-down attempts.

That's an alarmingly lopsided number, and goes a long way toward explaining why the Broncos often fell behind early as they sputtered down the stretch. It also speaks to an inability from the Broncos' coaching staff to put Tim Tebow in the best position to succeed. Denver is going to have to feature far less conservative play-calling if it hopes to get off to a strong start and get the most out of Tebow's unorthodox skill-set in 2012.


Source: Denver Post

It was a four game set-up for the overtime 1st down pass against the Steelers. Fox is a genius.

Tebow did a vast majority of his passing on 3rd down, which is always the lowest passer rating down. I would suspect that the league wide completion percentage on third down is less than 50%. Tebow's completion percentage is the major area of criticism. If he had more early down passes and more short passes and screens, his percentage would be greater.
 

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here we go again... why don't they just trade him if they clearly want nothing to do with a young, high character and mega gifted athlete who just turned them around and led to the playoffs??? i'm sure there's a team out there who would like to have him for crying out loud!

GM Brian Xanders says the Broncos want Tim Tebow to work on "everything" this offseason.

"It's the precision on the passing, it's the accuracy, the footwork, the mechanics, the rhythm, the timing, the quickness, the release," Xanders said. All signs out of the Broncos' front office this winter point to the team hoping it can mold Tebow to its offense instead of vice-versa. If Denver doesn't make significant scheme and personnel changes, it will be setting Tebow up to fail in 2012.


Source: Denver Post
 

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Yikes! Brady Quinn jumps on the Tim Tebow hate bandwagon. They don't make Catholic kids like I remember them. Sounds like a lot of sour grapes and whining. From a GQ interview:
"The entire game, the defensive line is chasing the quarterback around, and that wears down the pass rush. Meanwhile, the defensive backs are chasing receivers, but you only throw eight passes, so they start to feel lazy. It only takes that one play, that one big pass, for a touchdown."

"If you look at it as a whole," he tells Silver, "there's a lot of things that just don't seem very humble to me. When I get that opportunity, I'll continue to lead not necessarily by trying to get in front of the camera and praying but by praying with my teammates, you know?"

"We’ve had a lot of, I guess, luck, to put it simply."

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dai...dy-quinn-debunks-year-tebow-weve-had-lot-luck
 

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Yikes! Brady Quinn jumps on the Tim Tebow hate bandwagon. They don't make Catholic kids like I remember them. Sounds like a lot of sour grapes and whining. From a GQ interview:
"The entire game, the defensive line is chasing the quarterback around, and that wears down the pass rush. Meanwhile, the defensive backs are chasing receivers, but you only throw eight passes, so they start to feel lazy. It only takes that one play, that one big pass, for a touchdown."

"If you look at it as a whole," he tells Silver, "there's a lot of things that just don't seem very humble to me. When I get that opportunity, I'll continue to lead not necessarily by trying to get in front of the camera and praying but by praying with my teammates, you know?"

"We’ve had a lot of, I guess, luck, to put it simply."

http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/dai...dy-quinn-debunks-year-tebow-weve-had-lot-luck

I just saw that on Yahoo. Seems Quinn is a very jealous person.
 

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Not sure how much blame Quinn should get on this. This looks like another hit piece by that vermin scum Yahoo writer Michael Silver, who has been one of the biggest anti-Tebow people in the media. Quinn, however, is a grown up man who is responsible for his own comments and should be more careful around reporters, especially one like Silver with an axe to grind.
 

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Quinn has been seriously screwed over since he's been in the NFL (he has the talent to start somewhere) but to take his anger out on Tebow is counterproductive. If Tebow was injured or ineffective next year he was right in line to get his shot and now the Broncos may be forced to trade him and back to 3rd string he goes...
 

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One of the QBs the Broncos are reportedly eyeing to sign is Josh Johnson, who is a scatter-armed running quarterback, sort of a poor man's black version of Tebow. I can see him quickly becoming the media's and the DWFs' choice if Tebow isn't noticeably improved right from the get-go in the passing game, or if Tebow is improved but the Broncos are losing games, though Tebow will always have a good number of supporters because of his open religiosity.

I've always liked Quinn but with each passing year it becomes more unlikely that he'll ever get a genuine starting opportunity in the NFL. He was screwed over pretty good by Cleveland.
 

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From my French point of view, it seems so surprising to see that Tebow is hated by so many people in America. Tebow reminds me on Kaka (very famous Brazilian soccer player, now at Real Madrid), a Christian with strong values and a model behavior (on and off the field). Why is he mocked so cruelly?
 

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Lisa D, welcome to Caste Football. Tim is indeed disliked by some Americans (heathens, "liberals") due to his Christian faith. Others don't like Tebow because they wish to see more blacks reach (largely manufactured) "stardom" at the quarterback position. Tim is a world class athlete and an all-around winner, and a good representative of the White race.
 

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Lisa D, welcome to Caste Football. Tim is indeed disliked by some Americans (heathens, "liberals") due to his Christian faith. Others don't like Tebow because they wish to see more blacks reach (largely manufactured) "stardom" at the quarterback position. Tim is a world class athlete and an all-around winner, and a good representative of the White race.
 
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So it looks like the Broncos found the only way to get out of Tebow-mania, which they obviously desperately wanted to do, and got the greatest QB in the game to replace him.

It's shows what kind of people are running that franchise, the same a-holes that ran Hillis off. I'm hoping Tebow can go to somewhere like Jacksonville, where at least he will have some great hometown support, and get a chance to start over.

I really hope he isn't put behind Manning because whatever kind of offense is built for Manning will be no good for Tebow.
 

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Jacksonville is probably the best place Tebow can go. There's not a lot of talent there, but Gabbert is far from entrenched. Of course, I don't want to see Gabbert quickly pigeon-holed and end up a career backup so early in his career, but the Manning sweepstakes meant that a starting White QB somewhere was going to lose his job. But it wouldn't surprise me if Tebow never gets another chance to start (barring injuries) no matter where he goes. Unlike "raw" black QBs that can run, Tebow won't be allowed to develop.
 

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Jacksonville is probably the best place Tebow can go. There's not a lot of talent there, but Gabbert is far from entrenched. Of course, I don't want to see Gabbert quickly pigeon-holed and end up a career backup so early in his career, but the Manning sweepstakes meant that a starting White QB somewhere was going to lose his job. But it wouldn't surprise me if Tebow never gets another chance to start (barring injuries) no matter where he goes. Unlike "raw" black QBs that can run, Tebow won't be allowed to develop.

If they trade Tebow to Jacksonville maybe Gabbert will be part of the deal so he can apprentice behind Manning. That would be a good situation for the Broncos if they can pull that off.
 

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Well this just reaffirms that the horse's arses who run the Broncos never believed in Tebow and in fact did everything they could to wish him to fail. When I first heard Manning was leaving the colts my first thought was that was how Denver was going to get rid of Tebow. And Walla - it happened. It's becoming so predictable.
 
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