Tim Tebow
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Someone may have covered this already, but Tebow reminds me of another QB who did things his way and took it all the way to a Super Bowl Championship and that QB was Jim McMahon! (Chicago Bears)
Anyone agree or disagree?
Anyone agree or disagree?
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I agree with Jim McMahon and he also reminds me a little of Big Ben on the Steelers. He is not as good a passer at this stage but he is very hard to sack and can scramble at will. Tebow can be a future Pro Bowler if given a fair chance like other quarterbacks get. John Elway said again today that Tebow is not in their future as a quarterback. This guy was a hell of a player but he is clearly jealous of Tim Tebow. There is no doubt in my mind that this is the case. He keeps throwing Tebow under the bus for little reason. The team is winning games, and playing hard. He is also getting better slowly but surely and this scares Elway. He needs to get a life. My biggest fear is that they will bench him and yet still not trade him. This would make him have to be a full back or ride the bench next year. I hope I'm wrong. I really don't like John Elway anymore. He is complete clown!
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Here is an article from my local paper on Tebow.
[h=1]DiTrani: Tim Tebow's future a mystery
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Saturday, November 26, 2011
By VINNY DITRANI
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Usually when a quarterback is completing 44 percent of his passes, his lone appearance on the sports pages is when his team cuts him. Not so with Tim Tebow.
ASSOCIATED PRESS
Fans in Denver have been very quick to latch on to unorthodox QB Tim Tebow, who is 4-1 with the team this season.
Despite the ragged passing statistics, "Tebowmania" has swept through the NFL like a swarm of weevils through a cotton field. People can't stop talking about the former Heisman Trophy winner, except not in the same way they keep talking about Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady.
Rarely has a quarterback with such dismal passing stats captivated the masses like Tebow has in Denver. The executive vice president of his team, some guy named John Elway, said the former Florida star is not the future of the Broncos' franchise. Yet Tebow is 4-1 since he took over for the since-waived Kyle Orton as the Denver quarterback. He has helped the Broncos get in position to compete for the AFC West title heading into today's game in San Diego.
Let's face it: Tebow is a great football player, but not a great NFL quarterback. Even his coach, John Fox, said he could not exist in a standard NFL offense. So rather than try to force a square peg into a round hole, Fox has squared the hole and given Tebow an offense similar to the one he ran in college.
Last Thursday night's game against the Jets was a perfect example of the result. Tebow literally stunk for 55 minutes.
Yet in the final five, he amazingly led his team 95 yards and wound up in the end zone with the football for the winning touchdown.
How long, however, can the Broncos exist with Tebow in charge? Right now, he obviously gives the Broncos the best chance of winning.
Last Sunday, former Steelers coach Bill Cowher suggested Fox come up with an "Orton package" to use if his team fell so far behind that the passing game was the only means of catching up.
With Orton now in Kansas City, that package would have to be tailored to Brady Quinn. The former Notre Damer is Fox's only other option, so the rest of the 2011 season rests squarely with the unorthodox throwing left-handed Tebow, who unfortunately can't have his talented legs transplanted onto his shoulders.
You have to sympathize with the young man, who really is as nice a guy as he portrays.
Not only must he field criticism from those outside his organization, he also gets hammered from within. Fox says he can't play traditional quarterback in the NFL. Elway says the jury still is out on him, hardly a ringing endorsement. Even former Denver quarterback Jake Plummer took a shot at Tebow for wearing his religion too brightly on his sleeve.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. For one thing, Denver is going to have to get more production out of its running backs than it did against the Jets. The backs gained only 47 yards rushing, 21 less than Tebow totaled. For the Tebow option to work, he must have that option, simple as that.
The Broncos' defense also is going to have to play all-out on every snap to keep each game close because it's unlikely Tebow's attack is going to accumulate a lot of points.
The margin of error will be very thin, but at least there will be a margin of error.
But what happens in 2012? It's obvious Tebow is going to have to improve as a passer if he is going to please his bosses.
If not, Denver might be in the market for one of the several top college quarterbacks available in the draft. They could get a shot at Oklahoma's Landry Jones or USC's Matt Barkley.
Elway could go back to his Stanford roots and create a package of players and picks and move up in the first round to select Andrew Luck.
Perhaps he will include Tebow in that package, and let some other team try to figure out how best to use his talents.
The talents are there. It's a matter of finding how they best translate into playing in the NFL.
[h=1]DiTrani: Tim Tebow's future a mystery
[/h]
Saturday, November 26, 2011
By VINNY DITRANI
COLUMNIST
Pages: 1 2 > display on one page | Print | E-mail
Usually when a quarterback is completing 44 percent of his passes, his lone appearance on the sports pages is when his team cuts him. Not so with Tim Tebow.
ASSOCIATED PRESS Fans in Denver have been very quick to latch on to unorthodox QB Tim Tebow, who is 4-1 with the team this season.
Despite the ragged passing statistics, "Tebowmania" has swept through the NFL like a swarm of weevils through a cotton field. People can't stop talking about the former Heisman Trophy winner, except not in the same way they keep talking about Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady.
Rarely has a quarterback with such dismal passing stats captivated the masses like Tebow has in Denver. The executive vice president of his team, some guy named John Elway, said the former Florida star is not the future of the Broncos' franchise. Yet Tebow is 4-1 since he took over for the since-waived Kyle Orton as the Denver quarterback. He has helped the Broncos get in position to compete for the AFC West title heading into today's game in San Diego.
Let's face it: Tebow is a great football player, but not a great NFL quarterback. Even his coach, John Fox, said he could not exist in a standard NFL offense. So rather than try to force a square peg into a round hole, Fox has squared the hole and given Tebow an offense similar to the one he ran in college.
Last Thursday night's game against the Jets was a perfect example of the result. Tebow literally stunk for 55 minutes.
Yet in the final five, he amazingly led his team 95 yards and wound up in the end zone with the football for the winning touchdown.
How long, however, can the Broncos exist with Tebow in charge? Right now, he obviously gives the Broncos the best chance of winning.
Last Sunday, former Steelers coach Bill Cowher suggested Fox come up with an "Orton package" to use if his team fell so far behind that the passing game was the only means of catching up.
With Orton now in Kansas City, that package would have to be tailored to Brady Quinn. The former Notre Damer is Fox's only other option, so the rest of the 2011 season rests squarely with the unorthodox throwing left-handed Tebow, who unfortunately can't have his talented legs transplanted onto his shoulders.
You have to sympathize with the young man, who really is as nice a guy as he portrays.
Not only must he field criticism from those outside his organization, he also gets hammered from within. Fox says he can't play traditional quarterback in the NFL. Elway says the jury still is out on him, hardly a ringing endorsement. Even former Denver quarterback Jake Plummer took a shot at Tebow for wearing his religion too brightly on his sleeve.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. For one thing, Denver is going to have to get more production out of its running backs than it did against the Jets. The backs gained only 47 yards rushing, 21 less than Tebow totaled. For the Tebow option to work, he must have that option, simple as that.
The Broncos' defense also is going to have to play all-out on every snap to keep each game close because it's unlikely Tebow's attack is going to accumulate a lot of points.
The margin of error will be very thin, but at least there will be a margin of error.
But what happens in 2012? It's obvious Tebow is going to have to improve as a passer if he is going to please his bosses.
If not, Denver might be in the market for one of the several top college quarterbacks available in the draft. They could get a shot at Oklahoma's Landry Jones or USC's Matt Barkley.
Elway could go back to his Stanford roots and create a package of players and picks and move up in the first round to select Andrew Luck.
Perhaps he will include Tebow in that package, and let some other team try to figure out how best to use his talents.
The talents are there. It's a matter of finding how they best translate into playing in the NFL.
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Elway wants a QB who passes like he did.
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Elway wants someone at QB that will not overshadow his own immense popularity with Denver fans.
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Tebow will never be as good as Elway as far as a pure passer. Elway is a HOF'er and probably a top 10 all time quarterback. However, Tebow is a much better athlete and football player than Elway ever was. Elway knows there is something special about this kid and you're right he doesn't want him to overshadow his HOF career.
Don't sell Elway short as an athlete. He could have played pro baseball (I think he might have even been drafted by a baseball team). And he was always a dual threat (running and passing) through most of his career. He was a big dude too who shook a lot of tackles.
Tebow could be his son in terms of athletic ability.
Tebow could be his son in terms of athletic ability.
whiteathlete33
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Elway was a good athlete but Tebow is much better. Tebow has 388 rushing yards this season in only 8 games, five as a starter. That's more than Elway ever had in a single season. With Tebow I think we will see our first white quarterback to rush for 1,000 yards in a season.
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Here's one of the better pro-Tebow articles I've come across so far. And the nice thing about his one is that it uses what they're calling "cold-hard facts" to illustrate some pretty valid points. There are no opinions here, just some stats that you simply cannot ignore. Gotta shove this one down Jon Ritchie and Merrill Hoge's throats:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/11/29/tim.tebow/index.html?xid=cnnbin
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/11/29/tim.tebow/index.html?xid=cnnbin
ha, semi positive blurb from roto:
Tim Tebow came out of Week 12 with "little more than a bruised knee" after a modern-era QB record 22 rushing attempts against the Chargers.
Tebow's physical playing style leaves him open to plenty of hits, but John Elway relayed that Tebow insists his body feels better now than it did at the start of the season. As the strongest QB in the league, Tebow may be dishing out as much pain as he's receiving.
Source: Denver Post
Tim Tebow came out of Week 12 with "little more than a bruised knee" after a modern-era QB record 22 rushing attempts against the Chargers.
Tebow's physical playing style leaves him open to plenty of hits, but John Elway relayed that Tebow insists his body feels better now than it did at the start of the season. As the strongest QB in the league, Tebow may be dishing out as much pain as he's receiving.
Source: Denver Post
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May be? Oh he most definitely is dishing out at least as much punishment as he takes. Some of those black DBs are getting crushed by Tim Tebow on a regular basis and it is a thing of beauty!
Very good article on Tebow, from deadspin.com of all places.
Tim Tebow Is A Pretty Good Quarterback
The backlash to the backlash to the backlash is starting: Tim Tebow sucked, then he un-sucked (five and one as a starter!), and now he sucks again. "Denver's defense explains their winning streak!" So the voices are saying. Stuff like this, from ESPN:
Tebow has been playing well, just in his own way. He runs well, and, on top of that, he helps the Broncos' entire offense run better.
Mark Kriegel of Fox Sports explained it well today:
"Over 16 games," said Sean Lahman, author of The Pro Football Historical Abstract, "Tebow projects to 19 touchdowns, three interceptions, 2,061 yards passing and 1,112 yards rushing with five rushing touchdowns."
[...]
Still, because the nine games in which Tebow has appeared (six as a starter, three in relief) are an admittedly small sample, Lahman came up with a better way to gauge Tebow's effectiveness. It's a spread sheet that ranks quarterbacks by "Adjusted Yards per Touch" ("a touch" being defined as pass and rushing attempts plus sacks). By that measure, Tebow gains an average of 2.61 yards every time he touches the ball. Maybe that doesn't sound like much, but only four quarterbacks have doe [sic] better this season. In order, they are Rodgers, Drew Brees, Brady and injured Matt Schaub. Tebow is No. 5.
Football Outsiders explained it too: "The threat of a running quarterback really does open things up for the rest of the running game. Clearly, that's what has happened in Denver." Willis McGahee—Willis McGahee!—is averaging 4.8 yards per carry, at age 30, rushing more than he has in any season since 2007.
The truth about this ostensibly magical young man is that there is nothing magical about him at all. Tebow's not a great passer, but he doesn't need to be. Right now, he's a running quarterback, and unlike the days of Michael Vick in Atlanta, the offense is geared toward his skills. Tebow runs a lot, and Willis McGahee runs a lot. They both do it well. (Between them: 240 carries for 1,230 yards, over five yards per rush.)
The Broncos' continued success testifies less to the powers of God and/or Von Miller and more to Tebow's effectiveness at doing what the Broncos' offense asks him to do. He's pretty good, and that works.
http://deadspin.com/5864645/tim-tebow-is-a-pretty-good-quarterback
Tim Tebow Is A Pretty Good Quarterback
The backlash to the backlash to the backlash is starting: Tim Tebow sucked, then he un-sucked (five and one as a starter!), and now he sucks again. "Denver's defense explains their winning streak!" So the voices are saying. Stuff like this, from ESPN:
His legend began to grow during a five-game midseason stretch that saw the surging Denver defense give up just 15.5 points per game in four wins. To his minions, Tebow's leadership was responsible for rousing rookie linebacker Von Miller. But his own play was awful.
This is the simplest way to explain Tebow: to look at his throwing motion and his completion percentage, and to look at Von Miller and Elvis Dumervil, and conclude there's no way he could be doing well. This plea to consider the defense is a rudimentary form of statistical analysis, and it's better than judging a quarterback entirely on his won-loss record, but not good enough.
Tebow has been playing well, just in his own way. He runs well, and, on top of that, he helps the Broncos' entire offense run better.
Mark Kriegel of Fox Sports explained it well today:
"Over 16 games," said Sean Lahman, author of The Pro Football Historical Abstract, "Tebow projects to 19 touchdowns, three interceptions, 2,061 yards passing and 1,112 yards rushing with five rushing touchdowns."
[...]
Still, because the nine games in which Tebow has appeared (six as a starter, three in relief) are an admittedly small sample, Lahman came up with a better way to gauge Tebow's effectiveness. It's a spread sheet that ranks quarterbacks by "Adjusted Yards per Touch" ("a touch" being defined as pass and rushing attempts plus sacks). By that measure, Tebow gains an average of 2.61 yards every time he touches the ball. Maybe that doesn't sound like much, but only four quarterbacks have doe [sic] better this season. In order, they are Rodgers, Drew Brees, Brady and injured Matt Schaub. Tebow is No. 5.
The truth about this ostensibly magical young man is that there is nothing magical about him at all. Tebow's not a great passer, but he doesn't need to be. Right now, he's a running quarterback, and unlike the days of Michael Vick in Atlanta, the offense is geared toward his skills. Tebow runs a lot, and Willis McGahee runs a lot. They both do it well. (Between them: 240 carries for 1,230 yards, over five yards per rush.)
The Broncos' continued success testifies less to the powers of God and/or Von Miller and more to Tebow's effectiveness at doing what the Broncos' offense asks him to do. He's pretty good, and that works.
http://deadspin.com/5864645/tim-tebow-is-a-pretty-good-quarterback
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Who needs Peyton Hillis when you have Tim Tebow? 
If Tebow had started the year at the helm as the QB, he would easily be on track for a 1000 yard season. As of now, he has 455 yards, with an incredible 5.8 ypc average and 3 TDs. He should finish the year in the 700-800 yard range, assuming things progress with the Denver offense continuing to emphasize the run.
I look at all the usual places, and there seems to be an increasing number of pro-Tebow articles. Some are downright positive, while some have moved from "he's terrible" to "he's not that bad". The tone is changing, but he needs to continue winning. The game against MIN will not be easy, but I hope for a DEN victory once again. At 7-5, they will dramatically increase their chances to make the playoffs, given the rest of their schedule.
If Tebow had started the year at the helm as the QB, he would easily be on track for a 1000 yard season. As of now, he has 455 yards, with an incredible 5.8 ypc average and 3 TDs. He should finish the year in the 700-800 yard range, assuming things progress with the Denver offense continuing to emphasize the run.
I look at all the usual places, and there seems to be an increasing number of pro-Tebow articles. Some are downright positive, while some have moved from "he's terrible" to "he's not that bad". The tone is changing, but he needs to continue winning. The game against MIN will not be easy, but I hope for a DEN victory once again. At 7-5, they will dramatically increase their chances to make the playoffs, given the rest of their schedule.
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It happened sometimes in the 1970s when runners like Csonka, Hubbard, Riggins, and Bulaich played against each other.
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Minn with a load of injuries in their defensive backfield now...good opportunity for Tebow to complete some long passes, hopefully to Decker.
What a lot of people are completely overlooking, is that a BIG reason that Denver is giving up so few points per game, is because Denver's offense is controlling the clock. When they go on a long drive, it takes quite a bit of time off the clock. Then combine that with the fact that the offense simply does not turn the ball over, and it contributes a lot to a the defense's numbers. The defense isn't on the field as often, there there are fewer opportunities to score against them. They also don't have to play against a short field because there are no turnovers. And they also are not as winded and worn down (they are fresher) because of all of the above facts.
Johnny is not FULLY convinced yet... even rotoworld picks up on his reluctance to acknowledge his best player
Broncos VP of Football Operations John Elway said after Sunday's win that he's seen "big strides" from Tim Tebow as a passer.
"We saw him read out the two passes, the long passes — the touchdown to Demaryius [Thomas] and the long gain in the fourth quarter," said Elway. "He did a great job against Cover 2." Elway stopped short of calling Tebow the Broncos' franchise quarterback, of course. ESPN's Eric Mangini, after watching the tape, noted that Tebow is excelling at controlling the defense with his eyes. It was particularly evident on the two passes Elway mentioned.
Broncos VP of Football Operations John Elway said after Sunday's win that he's seen "big strides" from Tim Tebow as a passer.
"We saw him read out the two passes, the long passes — the touchdown to Demaryius [Thomas] and the long gain in the fourth quarter," said Elway. "He did a great job against Cover 2." Elway stopped short of calling Tebow the Broncos' franchise quarterback, of course. ESPN's Eric Mangini, after watching the tape, noted that Tebow is excelling at controlling the defense with his eyes. It was particularly evident on the two passes Elway mentioned.
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Tebow's passer rating is now ahead of sCam's; 87.9/82.4.
If TT could get his completion % up some, his rating would soar!
If TT could get his completion % up some, his rating would soar!
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How is this possible? From reading the media reports, sCam has got to have a rating of 158.3 as a passer, and at least 1,000 yards rushing to go with his record number of rushing touchdowns. Can't wait for the Green Bay vs. Carolina showdown in the NFC Championship game between TWO undefeated teams!
What? You mean Carolina isn't undefeated? What? sCam throws tons of interceptions and fumbles on a regular basis? Naw, can't be. He's a "lock" for offensive rookie of the year! :yuck:
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It's because Tebow has so many offensive weapons to work with, like Decker...... and Decker........etc.
sCam has none, like WR Smith, TE, Shockey, and WR in TE's body Olsen, and RB's, Stewart and Williams!
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I thought this was an interesting article about Tebow's faith, along with a positive comment about his amazing athletic ability.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/284806/tebow-s-religion-and-ours-daniel-foster?pg=1
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/284806/tebow-s-religion-and-ours-daniel-foster?pg=1
plus Cam has an offensive line to speak of, unlike Denver.
more reluctant praise from Elway:
VP of Football Operations John Elway said Tuesday he's been impressed by the way the Broncos have won "in a lot of different ways" under Tim Tebow.
"There’s not many people out there who thought we could win a shootout," Elway said of Sunday's 35-32 win over the Vikings. "It just goes to show you what a weapon (Tebow) is, that if they shut down one aspect whether it be with his legs, that he can beat them with his arm and vice versa." Elway has yet to publicly commit to Tebow as his quarterback of the future, but if he leads the Broncos past Chicago and New England the next two weeks, Elway may have no choice.
more reluctant praise from Elway:
VP of Football Operations John Elway said Tuesday he's been impressed by the way the Broncos have won "in a lot of different ways" under Tim Tebow.
"There’s not many people out there who thought we could win a shootout," Elway said of Sunday's 35-32 win over the Vikings. "It just goes to show you what a weapon (Tebow) is, that if they shut down one aspect whether it be with his legs, that he can beat them with his arm and vice versa." Elway has yet to publicly commit to Tebow as his quarterback of the future, but if he leads the Broncos past Chicago and New England the next two weeks, Elway may have no choice.
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Just read this article about how Dolphins players say that the reason for their post-Denver Broncos-game success is due to Tim Tebow and the resulting awareness of God. Wow! To say that Tim is not making a positive impact on behalf of the Lord is to not be paying attention! Here is the story and the main point excerpt: