Ron Paul in 2008!

[White Shogun]

I just watched the Ron Paul interview on the Glenn Beck show. Frankly, I was actually a little disappointed.

One thing that really surprised me, given Beck's view on the topic, is that they did not discuss immigration at all.

Paul said that he would dissolve the IRS and do away with the income tax. He said he'd replace it with:... nothing.
He'd use only user fees to fund the government, and cut spending.

Beck asked him about 9/11 conspiracy theories. Paul actually seemed annoyed that Beck was asking him about it, and told him that he felt he shouldn't have to answer those kind of questions. At worse, Paul said, the government was inept. Obviously, even if he thought so, Paul wouldn't say it on national television. But I don't think he believes anything other than the official version anyway. He strikes me as too good-hearted to think anyone is that evil.

Paul said that he would pardon Ramos and Compean, but dropped the ball when Beck asked him about Johnny Sutton, the US Attorney who prosecuted them. Paul didn't know who Sutton was, and asked Beck to tell him more about Sutton. It was only after Beck explained that Paul was able to say oh, yes, there was prosecutorial over reach in this case.

Honestly guys, I don't think Paul will ever be elected. I've donated money to his campaign, tell everyone I know about him, have joined meetup groups, but.. he isn't going to make it into office.

And even if he does, most of what he wants to do will never come to pass because he won't make it happen by executive order. He'll work the process through Congress, and if it fails, that would be it. He believes in the Constitution that strongly.

I will still vote for him in the primaries though. We'll see what happens.

 

[Kaptain]

I found it a little curious that Glenn Beck never addressed immigration with Ron Paul. The same thing happened in all the debates - Paul never gets to address immigration.

Beck's attempt to connect Ron Paul to nameless internet bloggers who supposedly threatened Beck's life was something that no other candidate would ever be asked to address - that was just silly. Then he went on to describe some of the wilder 911 conspiracy theories and connect them to Paul, which Paul handled nicely.

On Tom Tancredo: How many debates were there? and he never once challenged the front runners on their weak immigration policies. Now he wants Paul to "address" an internet article written by someone Paul doesn't know? Mike Huckabee looks to be one of the front runners and Huckabee admits that he called anti-illegal immigration people racist. He admitted it in one of the national debates and yet Tancredo sat there and shut his mouth. Now he wants Paul to apologize for an internet blogger saying the same thing that Huckabee said with his own mouth? Time to drop out Tom.

 

[jared]

Paul was mentioned not unfavorably at the beginning of Hannity & Colmes last night (don't ask why I was watching). Hannity and four pundits were discussing the fluidity of the race and marvelled at him raising a ton of money in the last two quarters. They seemed to be reluctantly saying he's becoming a borderline viable candidate.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Outstanding points Pitbull. The Elite are getting nervous about the giant swell of support for Dr.Paul & may soon be pulling out all the stops. That was also a very valid point about agent provocateurs...as I suspect the "Power that Be" utilize a massive collection of "trolls" and other such interlopers to spread their misinformation and propaganda.

 

[Realgeorge]

The total was up to $18.4M this morning. Write those checks! Write another one for the American Nationalist Union! ANU needs to be around long after Ron Paul retires from the American political scene

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Fyi, here's a decent article from the AJC on Dr.Paul's supporters. One of the KSU PolSci profs seems to be downplaying the potential impact of Dr.Paul supporters, but we (supporters) need to keep vehemently spreading the word, etc.While the Globalist Elite won't allow him into (their) White House, Dr.Paul could make a huge dent in the general election and continue spreading his pro-Constitutionalist message/platform to a whole new level!

Ron Paul's followers aim to stun the pundits

By AARON GOULD SHEININ
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Published on: 12/26/07

Don't tell Ron Paul's supporters that their man is not going be the next U.S. president.

No matter the evidence â€â€￾ the no more than 7 percent standing in early state polls, the lack of high-profile national campaign operation or the fact that the long-time Texas congressman hardly fits the modern Republican profile â€â€￾ Paul's legion of supporters believe, loudly, that their man will win the GOP nomination in 2008.


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That enthusiasm is as strong in Georgia as anywhere and his supporters here are flat determined to deliver the state for Paul when Republicans hold their primary Feb. 5.

Ike Hall, 40, Paul's Georgia campaign director and a radiation safety officer at Emory University Hospital, believes it will happen

"Yes, I do," Hall said. "Yes, I do. Mostly because of his phenomenally deep and diverse grassroots community. American politics hasn't seen anything like this."

The Paul grass-roots community is impressive. He owns the Internet, whether it's the more than 65,000 videos supporters have uploaded to YouTube, or the more than 50,000 "friends" Paul has on Facebook, the social networking site.

In metro Atlanta, Paul's backers also use Meetup.com to plan events and to communicate with other supporters. They have organized weekly rallies each Saturday at Freedom Park, sign-waving parties along busy intersections and canvassing groups to spread the word. The campaign opened its Georgia headquarters Dec. 16.

But the biggest reason Paul could actually make a run at the nomination is the more than $6 million he and his supporters raised online Dec. 16. The one-day event, believed to be the largest amount ever raised by an American political campaign in a single day, included contributions from more than 58,000 people. It helped give Paul a fourth-quarter fund-raising total of more than

$12 million. That's expected to lead the GOP pack.

In presidential politics, money is life.

In Georgia, Paul raised more than $108,000 through the end of September, more than former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, but considerably less than the other leading candidates.

Supporters say the Georgia campaign is just beginning.

"His message is so strong," said Justin Stout, 24, who was joined by a trio of other Paul supporters to brave the chill and drizzle on a recent evening to wave Paul signs at traffic along Ga. 5 in Douglasville. "His message of individual liberty is so strong. But we know we have to do this because the media doesn't seem to be giving us attention. He has to raise $6 million to get on the news."

Stout is correct in one sense. You don't see Rudy Giuliani supporters, or Mitt Romney or John McCain supporters, standing on street corners or interstate overpasses to get attention.

Speak to enough Paul supporters and several things become apparent.

- They speak of Paul in almost reverent, certainly respectful, tones. They don't call him "Paul," or "Ron," or even "Congressman Paul." It's almost always "Ron Paul," or "Dr. Paul," reflecting his background as a ob-gyn.

- Common themes emerge: honesty, strict allegiance to the Constitution and personal freedom.

- The media is against them, or at least ignoring them.

- The polls are wrong.

From the outside, Paul supporters can seem obnoxious or even, well, rude. They basically shouted fellow GOP candidate Rudy Giuliani off the streets of Marietta a few Sundays ago, chanting "Ron Paul, Ron Paul, Ron Paul," as the former New York mayor walked the streets.

In person, Paul's supporters are rational and polite.

"It wasn't really that bad," Hall laughed, when asked about that Sunday in Marietta. "What there was, was an enthusiastic crowd of Ron Paul supporters. They gathered across the street. A couple of people drifted over there to have signs in cameras' view, but overall people were very polite."

Jessica Aday, 24, of Douglasville, smiled as she held her Ron Paul 2008 sign aloft along Ga. 5. Her curly red hair was tied up with a ribbon and her T-shirt promised that "This Redhead is Voting for Ron Paul."

"I'm here for Dr. Ron Paul," she said. "He's a good man, very honest, humble. He genuinely and honestly wants to help us."

Aday, Stout and Hall agree the polls have vastly underestimated Paul's support.

Stout explained that many of Paul's supporters are first-time voters, who won't appear on the lists pollsters use to make survey calls. Many are also Democrats or independents who don't show up on lists of likely Republican voters, he said.

Others, however, are not so optimistic.

Kerwin Swint, a Kennesaw State University political scientist puts it bluntly: "I don't think he has a chance of winning."

Paul's support, Swint said, is loud, which makes it seems larger than it is.

"He has tapped into that Libertarian, disenfranchised group of people who feel the mainstream Republicans are not paying attention to them and he's their guy."

"His support is real," Swint said of Paul. But he can't win, Swint said.

Hall is not discouraged.

"It doesn't affect our enthusiasm in the slightest," he said. "In fact, it gets us more fired up".


***Reference article...

[url]http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2007/12/25/ronp aul_1226.html[/url] Edited by: DixieDestroyer

 

[freedom1]

Good point Dixie. Even if Paul doesn't win, he still wakes up a lot of people and forces the current powers to address the issues they always try and cover up, like the border, the war and the economy. If a guy like Paul's not in, they're debating stem cell research.

Just him being in the race does major damage to the establishment.

Here in San Diego, I've already seen a Ron Paul blimp, freeway overpass banners and business cards and brochures everywhere. I'm sticking Ron Paul stickers all over the place <heh heh>. I hate the establishment.

 

[White Shogun]

How many of you would not vote for Ron Paul if he chose Walter Williams or Alan Keyes as a running mate?

 

[Don Wassall]

That would be a bad move strategically, with the race of Williams and Keyes having nothing to do with it. IfPaul wants to win, assuming he goes third party or independent, he should pick Dennis Kucinich the anti-war Democrat, or someone else who would give him the broad reach he needs for the general election.

 

[White Shogun]

You really think Kucinich has enough support even among Democrats to entice them to vote third party? I kinda think he would be worse than either Williams or Keyes. Williams at least shares Paul's ideas about the Constitution and economics.

Pat Buchanan? Buchanan would overpower him on stage, imo.



Edited by: White Shogun

 

[Don Wassall]

Keyes is a neo-con, and Williams is a rarity as a black intellectual libertarian but doesn't have much of a following even in libertarian circles from what I can see. I don't think Williams has even endorsed Ron Paul; Keyes never would.


Kucinich has support among left-populists, Paul among right-populists (to generalize a bit). The idea should be to bring both strains of populism together to give it the most possible strength because the "Ron Paul Revolution" is mostly about populist anger and grassroots organizing to change a far-too-long entrenched, very corrupt status quo. I don't know that Kucinich is necessarily the best possible running mate for a Paul third party run, but I would be extremely disappointed if it was the likes of an establishmentarian such as Williams or Keyes.

 

[Bart]

Ron Paul should ask Pat Buchanan for advice. How did choosing Ezola Foster as running mate help or hinder his campaign? I'm sure Don would have some first hand knowledge.

 

[DixieDestroyer]

Since Pat B. probably won't run as VP. I think Dr.Jerome Corsi would be a good candidate (as he was considered by the Constitution Party). Duncan Hunter might be a decent running mate for Dr.Paul. Hunter has an outstanding record on defending U.S. sovereignty and fighting the illegal invasion.Hunter is good on illegal immigration, anti-Globalism, right to life/ending abortion and protecting the 2nd Amendment....however, I disagree with his voting against drilling in ANWR, supporting the Orwellian "Patriot" Act, & his Neocon positions on Iran/Iraq. He's not on the level of Dr.Paul, but Hunter is a pretty good Congressman (overall).

 

[Don Wassall]

Ron Paul should ask Pat Buchanan for advice. How did choosing Ezola Foster as running mate help or hinder his campaign? I'm sure Don would have some first hand knowledge.

That was quite the fiasco. The reaction wouldn't have been so overwhelmingly negative if Foster had been qualified but she was a pure affirmative action pick, quite the slap in the face to Buchanan supporters.


Buchanan's entire 2000 campaign was strange. He had some health problems at the time concerning his heart and I don't know if that was the issue, but his "heart" definitely wasn't in that campaign to put it mildly.


Paul Craig Roberts would be an outstanding running mate for Ron Paul. His opinion columns have been nothing less than brilliant during the Bush regime (not to mention courageous). Like Paul he has a broad base of support but one that is particularly strongamong patriotic and right-populist types. He was the Assistant Secretary of the Treasury during the Reagan administration so he has political qualifications, too.

 

[Guest]

Buchanan deliberately sabotaged his own campaign and the new Reform Party - which had earned federal matching funds - along with it. Deliberately. He had virtually zero support amongst Blacks, so first he picks some Black female Marxist cultist followeer of Fred Newman (Rev. Sharpton's handler, too) as his running mate, and then she gives him the boot, so he finds another one, an obscure and disreputable negress with zero negro following besides! Even if he picked up some conservative Hispanic-American he could have gotten a lot of votes. Or an Asian, or even an American indian! But no, he deliberately sabotaged the Reform Party.

I also remember how when Senator Dr David Duke was going to run for president, and Buchanan came out of the woodwork screeching, "Nazi", along with all the other shills.

Also, when Buchanan himself was sweeping the presidential primaries and they trotted out the shills calling HIM a "Nazi" - including Mayor Jewliani, and then blatantly fixed up their diebold computers so that he suddenly started losing in Iowa and AZ, he didn't utter a peep, playing along with their crooked sham election game, just like Skull 'n Bonesman B, Kerry (nee Kohn).

I trust Buchanan as far as I can throw him.

The Dragon Lady From Hell has been anointed by the ruling reptiles to rule over us. They have the usual tricks up their sleeves regarding the Ron Paul Revolution (which is scaring them) - infiltrate the RP campaign, fix the computerized voting machines, and keep the Huey Long-George Wallace-JFK Jr. option in reserve.






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[InfamousOne]

I dare them to take the "JFK" approach with Ron Paul. The words "Ron Paul revolution" would become literal.

 

[whiteCB]

Alright why isn't Dr.Paul getting any face time on the tube? I really think the MSM is afraid of this guy. What are the reasons? I don't really know any in particular. Maybe its because the word "libertarian" scares people or because Paul goes against the status quo such as ending the War on Drugs, Poverty,...ect. Also where can I get some Ron Paul stickers, signs, ect. to hang up?

 

[Guest]

...where can I get some Ron Paul stickers, signs, ect. to hang up?

http://www.ronpaul2008store.com/servlet/StoreFront

 

[Guest]

I dare them to take the "JFK" approach with Ron Paul. The words "Ron Paul revolution" would become literal.

They've never been shy about taking that approach in the past. They'd prefer to keep the schmucks happy with the computerized voting machines and the tv networks "projecting winners" and the whole sham election formula, but they keep all their options on the table, as they like to say when they talk about their option of making a sneak atomic attack upon the people of Iran, their latest boogyman du jour.

 

[White Shogun]

Ron Paul has been getting plenty of MSM face time these days. He was on the Glenn Beck show, Meet the Press with Tim Russert, the Morning Show on Fox (or whatever it's called,)he was on with Neil Cavuto, I believe, and a couple others I think. The thing is they treat him with little respect and are almost mocking when they talk to him. They think they're hurting him by doing so but in my opinion that will only engender support for him.

Paul Craig Roberts would be an excellent choice, Don!

I noticed that no one has really answered the question I posed though.

Me? I would still vote for him. I will vote for him regardless of whomever he chooses as a running mate. I trust the guy enough to believe he will make a sound VP pick, for the right reasons and not just to add constituents by color or political block. Edited by: White Shogun

 

[C Darwin]

Paul Roberts is a truther. RP won't go for it.

 

[LabMan]

I would be very happy to see Don Wassall as Ron Pauls running mate!

 

[jaxvid]

Don Wassall for president!!!!

 

[White Shogun]

Don Wassall for president!!!!

If only.

 

[jaxvid]

I saw Dr. Paul on Russerts show last Sunday, I almost never watch that stuff but was flipping and caught it. Geez that Paul is a libertarian, and he doesn't shy from it. I don't think he sells it as well as someone like Harry Browne did but what the hey--it's Paul who's got a shot at the top spot.

Unfortunately Paul and the media are speaking a different language. Russert asked Paul about a constitutional issue and Paul said he thought that the current issue was being interperted wrong and he would support a constitional amendment to change it.

Russert then accused Paul of being against the constitution for wanting to amend it. Paul pointed out that amending the constitution was the PROPER way to change constitutional law. Russert could not understand it, to him the constitution was written and is as solid as the bible, it is only for the high priests (the Court) to interpert, otherwise it unchanging and unchangeable. Sad.