Is there a chance of a USA-Russia war in the near future?

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Justin Trudeau comes to mind whenever I see Zelensky.

I think they would get along famously.

Well as it turns out...

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This really makes me root for Putin to take this mother#$%^&* out.
 

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Great post! You can know what side you are on by who your enemies support. Also I would like to point out that everyone talks about striking back at Globohomo but guess what the Russians are actually waging war against it.
He is but not for the reasons you think, all dictators are macho as being tolerant of other points of views is viewed as weak in their minds. It's a case of my enemies enemy is my friend rather him being a saviour for conservative values.

Watch how Putin turned a spy chief into a stumbling and stuttering coward sounding like a junior high school male asking out a girl on a first date.....
 

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This is a superior analysis of Putin and Russia compared to the rest of the offerings from our establishment media. It's noteworthy/funny that the Daily Mail (UK-based) will go to the US to find an expert opinion (from someone who is too sober to air on our own national news channels).

Putin is NOT crazy and the Russian invasion is NOT failing. The West's delusions about this war - and its failure to understand the enemy - will prevent it from saving Ukraine, writes military analyst BILL ROGGIO

Bill Roggio is a senior fellow at the Foundation for Defense of Democracies and editor of FDD's Long war Journal. From 1991 to 1997, Roggio served as a signalman and infantryman in the U.S. Army and New Jersey National Guard
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Wishful thinking has the upper hand in the battle to shape Western perceptions of the war in Ukraine.

Sympathy for the outnumbered and outgunned defenders of Kyiv has led to the exaggeration of Russian setbacks, misunderstanding of Russian strategy, and even baseless claims from amateur psychoanalysts that Putin has lost his mind.

A more sober analysis shows that Russia may have sought a knockout blow, but always had well-laid plans for follow-on assaults if its initial moves proved insufficient.

The world has underestimated Putin before and those mistakes have led, in part, to this tragedy in Ukraine.

We must be clear-eyed now that the war is underway.

Yet even the professionals at the Pentagon are letting sympathy cloud their judgement.

Just two days into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, U.S. Department of Defense briefers were quick to claim that failing to take Kyiv in the opening days of the war amounted to a serious setback.

DoD briefers implied that Russia's offensive was well behind schedule or had even failed because the capital had not fallen.

But U.S. leaders should have learned to restrain their hopes after their catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan.

Once again, U.S. and Western officials are falling into the trap of failing to understand the enemy and his objectives.

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A look at the Russian military offensive demonstrates there was a plan for a full-scale invasion, which Russia is now executing.

Allegedly, Putin believed that the Ukrainian government would collapse once Russian troops crossed the frontier and pushed to Kyiv, and that the operation has failed because the Ukrainian government remains in place.

Putin certainly hoped for a swift victory, but he clearly was not relying on his opening salvo as the only plan for success.

Rather, the Russian military was prepared to take the country by force if a swift decapitation strike fell short.

This kind of plan should be familiar to Americans who remember the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

In the first hours of the war, the U.S. Air Force launched its 'shock and awe' campaign in an attempt to kill Saddam Hussein and other key leaders and bring down the government. Saddam survived, but the U.S. military was fully prepared to follow up with a ground assault.

A look at the Russian military offensive demonstrates there was a plan for a full-scale invasion, which Russia is now executing.

Conventional, mechanized warfare is a time and resource consuming enterprise, and an operation of this scope isn't cobbled together in days.

The Russian offensive is taking place on four separate fronts. On a fifth front, in eastern Ukraine, which Putin declared independent last week, Russian forces are tying down Ukrainian troops that are needed elsewhere.

The bulk of the Russian forces are advancing southward from Belarus to Kyiv.

Russian advance forces, including air, mobile and reconnaissance troops, have been engaged with Ukrainian troops outside of Kyiv since the start of the war.

A massive column of Russian troops, estimated at over 40 miles long, is just 20 miles north of Kyiv, and is likely assembling to surround the capital.

If Russian forces can take Kyiv and push southward to link up with forces on the Crimean front, thus splitting Ukraine in two, it would be a major blow to the Zelensky government.

What matters more than a handful of setbacks is that Russian forces have pushed 70 miles into contested terrain in less than a week and are on the outskirts of the capital.

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A massive column of Russian troops, estimated at over 40 miles long, is just 20 miles north of Kyiv, and is likely assembling to surround the capital.

This is not a sign of a disorganized, poorly assembled, and failed offensive.

The southward push from Belarus to Kyiv is supported by another Russian column, launched from the east in the vicinity of Kursk.

If this column can link up with Russian troops near Kyiv, it will envelop Ukrainian forces in most of Chernihiv and Sumy provinces, depriving the Ukrainian military of much needed soldiers and war material needed elsewhere, and cutting off the government from two northern provinces.

Further east, Russian forces have launched a broad offensive aimed at Kharkiv, Ukraine's second largest city, which is now under siege.

In the south, Russian forces, supported by amphibious assaults from the Sea of Azov, have poured into Ukraine from Crimea.

On this front, Russian forces have branched out along two main axes, one northwest along the Pivdennyi Buh River, and another northeast along the coast and inland towards the Donbas region, which Russia declared independent shortly before the invasion.

If Russian columns from either southern front can link up with forces further north, they would cut off many Ukrainian troops from reinforcement—one of the two columns has already advanced roughly 160 miles.

Russian generals have often chosen to bypass towns and cities that are putting up stiff opposition and isolating them to deal with later.

There are reports that Russian forces have escalated attacks on civilians, particularly in Kharkiv.

At the moment, the artillery and rocket attacks there have been limited, perhaps to send a message to the citizens as a warning of what may come.

Putin appears to want to take Ukraine intact, but will not hesitate to increase the level of brutality if needed.

The systematic nature of the Russian assault is at odds with speculation that Putin has lost control of his senses.

Nobody knows for sure, but Putin's actions appear to be that of a cold and calculating adversary.

Dismissing his decision to invade Ukraine as a form of madness is effectively an excuse to ignore Putin's likely motivations and future actions.

Strategically, Putin's advance on Ukraine began well over a decade ago, when he invaded and Balkanized Georgia by recognizing the Kremlin's puppet regimes in the regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

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Believing Russia's assault is going poorly may make us feel better but is at odds with the facts.

In 2014, Putin occupied and annexed the strategic Ukrainian region of Crimea, which served as a launchpad for the current invasion.

Putin paid little price for either action.

The United States and Europe imposed limited sanctions but continued to engage with him on the Iranian nuclear deal and other top issues.

Today, Putin has calculated that taking Ukraine by force is in his and Russia's interest.

He no doubt anticipated that the West would impose diplomatic and economic sanctions, which U.S. and European leaders threatened beforehand.

Putin may have miscalculated Ukrainian resistance and the intensity of the West's opposition, but it doesn't mean he is crazy, or didn't consider the possibilities and chose to invade regardless.

It remains to be seen if Putin's plan will succeed or fail, but what is clear is that there was a plan to invade Ukraine in force, and that plan has been executed since day one.

Ukrainian troops are putting up a valiant fight facing long odds and difficult conditions. Russia holds most if not all of the advantages.

It can, and has, attacked Ukraine from three different directions. The Russian military holds a decided advantage in manpower, as well as air, naval and armor superiority.

It has vast resources to draw on. While Ukraine has the support of much of the international community, which is providing weapons, Ukraine is fighting alone.

Believing Russia's assault is going poorly may make us feel better but is at odds with the facts.

We cannot help Ukraine if we cannot be honest about its predicament.
 

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Recent Deadly Wars That the US Government and Media Did Not Care About (since 1980)

West Papua War, ~300,000 dead
Guatemalan Civil war, ~100,000 dead
El Salvadorian Civil war, ~75,000 dead
Shining path insurgency in Peru, ~60,000 dead
The Iran-Iraq war, ~1,000,000 dead
The Ugandan Bush war, ~300,000 dead
1982 Lebanon war, ~18,500 dead
Second Sudanese Civil war, ~1,750,000 dead
Sri Lankan Civil war, ~100,000 dead
1983 Kurdish rebellion, ~110,000 dead
Marxist revolt in Sri Lanka, ~70,000 dead
LRA insurgency in Uganda, ~100,000 dead
First Armenian-Azeri war, ~35,000 dead
Bougainville conflict, ~17,500 dead
Afghan civil war 1989-1992, unknown but in the tens of thousands
Kashmir insurgency, ~75,000 dead
First Liberian Civil war, ~200,000 dead
Rwandan Civil war, ~650,000 dead
Croatian war of independence, ~23,000 dead
Sierra Leone Civil war, ~60,000 dead
Algerian Civil war, ~150,000 dead
1991 Iraqi uprising, ~100,000 dead
Afghan Civil war 1992-1996, unknown but in the tens of thousands
Abkhazian war, ~27,500 dead
Tajikistan Civil war, ~50,000 dead
Burundi Civil war, ~300,000 dead
Second Armenian-Azeri war, ~34,000 dead
1994 Yemeni Civil war, ~10,000 dead
First Chechen war, ~70,000 dead
Nepal Civil war, ~17,800 dead
Afghan Civil war 1996-2001, unknown but in the tens of thousands
First Congo war, ~500,000 dead
Republic of the Congo Civil war, ~20,000 dead
Eritrean-Ethiopian war, ~300,000 dead
Second Congo war, ~5,500,000 dead
Second Liberian Civil war, ~50,000 dead
Ituri war, ~63,700 dead
Second Chechen war, ~175,000 dead
War in Darfur, ~300,000 dead
Niger Delta war, ~15,000 dead
Yemen Civil war, ~377,000 dead
Kivu Conflict, unknown but in the hundreds of thousands
Mexican drug war, ~375,000 dead
Boko Haram insurgency, ~350,000 dead
South Sudanese Civil war, ~383,000 dead
Second Libyan Civil war, ~15,000 dead
Tigray war, ~10,000 dead
 

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Everybody posting on this thread is speculating about what is happening. Unfortunately, your opinion is only as good as the information you are being fed. My point is, none of us should have a strong or emotional opinion on an issue on which we have no personal knowledge. My instinct tells me that Russia is probably the morally superior actor. If the MSM, Zionists, and Biden/Cameltoe/Pelosi are all supporting Ukraine, then I’m leaning toward Russia.
Yes, I agree.
 

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Recent Deadly Wars That the US Government and Media Did Not Care About (since 1980)

West Papua War, ~300,000 dead
Guatemalan Civil war, ~100,000 dead
El Salvadorian Civil war, ~75,000 dead
Shining path insurgency in Peru, ~60,000 dead
The Iran-Iraq war, ~1,000,000 dead
The Ugandan Bush war, ~300,000 dead
1982 Lebanon war, ~18,500 dead
Second Sudanese Civil war, ~1,750,000 dead
Sri Lankan Civil war, ~100,000 dead
1983 Kurdish rebellion, ~110,000 dead
Marxist revolt in Sri Lanka, ~70,000 dead
LRA insurgency in Uganda, ~100,000 dead
First Armenian-Azeri war, ~35,000 dead
Bougainville conflict, ~17,500 dead
Afghan civil war 1989-1992, unknown but in the tens of thousands
Kashmir insurgency, ~75,000 dead
First Liberian Civil war, ~200,000 dead
Rwandan Civil war, ~650,000 dead
Croatian war of independence, ~23,000 dead
Sierra Leone Civil war, ~60,000 dead
Algerian Civil war, ~150,000 dead
1991 Iraqi uprising, ~100,000 dead
Afghan Civil war 1992-1996, unknown but in the tens of thousands
Abkhazian war, ~27,500 dead
Tajikistan Civil war, ~50,000 dead
Burundi Civil war, ~300,000 dead
Second Armenian-Azeri war, ~34,000 dead
1994 Yemeni Civil war, ~10,000 dead
First Chechen war, ~70,000 dead
Nepal Civil war, ~17,800 dead
Afghan Civil war 1996-2001, unknown but in the tens of thousands
First Congo war, ~500,000 dead
Republic of the Congo Civil war, ~20,000 dead
Eritrean-Ethiopian war, ~300,000 dead
Second Congo war, ~5,500,000 dead
Second Liberian Civil war, ~50,000 dead
Ituri war, ~63,700 dead
Second Chechen war, ~175,000 dead
War in Darfur, ~300,000 dead
Niger Delta war, ~15,000 dead
Yemen Civil war, ~377,000 dead
Kivu Conflict, unknown but in the hundreds of thousands
Mexican drug war, ~375,000 dead
Boko Haram insurgency, ~350,000 dead
South Sudanese Civil war, ~383,000 dead
Second Libyan Civil war, ~15,000 dead
Tigray war, ~10,000 dead
If these wars involved a nuclear power the world would have cared more. I recall the US gave arms to Saddam to fight Iran, even though he started the war to seize oil fields in a border region. Europe has 4 of the 7 strongest economies in it and a nuclear power that is unstable in this region is worse for world stability than these wars.
 

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Team USA represented daily on the likes of CNN, FOX and other outlets of fine propaganda created a failed state on Russia's borders, this failed state's stooges at the top are per usual jewish passive aggressive psychopaths who will destroy Ukraine to save Ukraine's "democracy." Now I am a pretty extreme case of self rule and could side with either side as events unfold but I do realize the people goading me forward are gonna eff me and what passes for my country as they are effing the people of Ukraine.

YMMV, Addendum, when these psychos talk about "democracy" they mean the dictatorship of the "Protected Classes" over you, and the ultimate protected class the top dogs are Jews.
 
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They were great heavyweights in the ring, but I never liked their politics.

I still like the Kbros, great RUSSIAN fighters as I recall everybody saying about them. Now why is that? Because for about a thousand years Ukraine =Russia, not a US puppet state.
 

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I still like the Kbros, great RUSSIAN fighters as I recall everybody saying about them. Now why is that? Because for about a thousand years Ukraine =Russia, not a US puppet state.
If the average citizen considered themselves puppets for the US and Western Europe they wouldn't be signing up in droves for an obvious over matched armed resistance. Look how quickly the Afghan army folded from a rag tag partisan army in the Taliban.

The people want this government, also look up the flooding of the Ukrainian fields under Stalin. Uki's have wanted independence from Russian/Soviet rule for centuries.
 

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If the average citizen considered themselves puppets for the US and Western Europe they wouldn't be signing up in droves for an obvious over matched armed resistance. Look how quickly the Afghan army folded from a rag tag partisan army in the Taliban.

The people want this government, also look up the flooding of the Ukrainian fields under Stalin. Uki's have wanted independence from Russian/Soviet rule for centuries.

I disagree, the “current” soon to be ex government is a US puppet regime installed in an illegitimate coup by the CIA. It’s a filled with crooks and scum, like Hunter Biden. It wages war on the Russian population in the eastern part of the Ukraine.

If a similar situation existed with a country close to the US our Air Force would be carpet bombing it to the cheers of media, tech, and the sheeple.

Oh and a little news flash, Stalin is dead, the Soviet Union is gone, there are no gulags in Siberia. Russia just wants this US attack platform out of its back yard that has been a part of its history since before the Declaration of Independence.
 

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I really don't understand why so many of you support this war.
It's naked aggression, very similar to the Nazis of 1938, and the Russians are targeting and killing civilians.
Regardless of what you think of the Ukranian government, I don't think it justifies the invasion. Not even close.
 

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I really don't understand why so many of you support this war.
It's naked aggression, very similar to the Nazis of 1938, and the Russians are targeting and killing civilians.
Regardless of what you think of the Ukranian government, I don't think it justifies the invasion. Not even close.

Oh no! The Nazis, the most evil group in History. If you disagree with that you're likely a Nazi! Nazi Nazi .
 

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I disagree, the “current” soon to be ex government is a US puppet regime installed in an illegitimate coup by the CIA. It’s a filled with crooks and scum, like Hunter Biden. It wages war on the Russian population in the eastern part of the Ukraine.

If a similar situation existed with a country close to the US our Air Force would be carpet bombing it to the cheers of media, tech, and the sheeple.

Oh and a little news flash, Stalin is dead, the Soviet Union is gone, there are no gulags in Siberia. Russia just wants this US attack platform out of its back yard that has been a part of its history since before the Declaration of Independence.

Well said.
 

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I really don't understand why so many of you support this war.
It's naked aggression, very similar to the Nazis of 1938, and the Russians are targeting and killing civilians.
Regardless of what you think of the Ukranian government, I don't think it justifies the invasion. Not even close.

The alphabet agencies of the west are responsible for provocation just as much as Russia is responsible for it's actions. The US was involved in a coup in 2014 to ouster the pro-Russian president and install it's own regime. The US needs to stop the regime changes - that is the catalyst for much of the destabilization throughout the world.
 

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But it’s NOT naked aggression. That’s a western talking point. Putin has continuously laid out, in clear detail the reason for the action. This move by the Russian’s is something they feel is necessary for their long term survival. Just because you don’t care to look past the gaslighting and propaganda we are fed on a constant basis does not mean the reasons don’t exist.

And there are plenty more rational reasons behind this move then Desert Storm 1 or 2, the destruction of Libya, the attack on Syria, Serbia, Afghanistan, or even Granada.

What I don’t understand is how people who have seen the profound evil of the current US government and still think that these people that hate you are suddenly defenders of international morality.
 

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But it’s NOT naked aggression. That’s a western talking point. Putin has continuously laid out, in clear detail the reason for the action.
I profoundly disagree with you.
Just because Putin doesn't want or like Ukraine's leaning toward the west, doesn't justify an invasion.
He started the war, he invaded Ukraine. That's naked aggression.
And Putin's reasons? First we heard he wasn't going to invade; then we heard that he only wanted the eastern tip of Ukraine; then we heard he was 'peacekeeping'; we heard he was fighting the genocide of ethnic Russians in Ukraine; we heard that he was fighting the Nazification of Ukraine (ha - that's a laugh!).

Ukraine is not part of NATO. Ukraine is not part of the EU. Ukraine does not have any nuclear weapons. Ukraine has not attacked Russia.
Russia is in the wrong here.
This is just like the Nazis taking Austria in 1938 because they said that they needed to secure their borders.
Putin is going to go down in history as another Hitler.
 

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I profoundly disagree with you.
Just because Putin doesn't want or like Ukraine's leaning toward the west, doesn't justify an invasion.
He started the war, he invaded Ukraine. That's naked aggression.
And Putin's reasons? First we heard he wasn't going to invade; then we heard that he only wanted the eastern tip of Ukraine; then we heard he was 'peacekeeping'; we heard he was fighting the genocide of ethnic Russians in Ukraine; we heard that he was fighting the Nazification of Ukraine (ha - that's a laugh!).

Ukraine is not part of NATO. Ukraine is not part of the EU. Ukraine does not have any nuclear weapons. Ukraine has not attacked Russia.
Russia is in the wrong here.
This is just like the Nazis taking Austria in 1938 because they said that they needed to secure their borders.
Putin is going to go down in history as another Hitler.

Nazi, Nazi, Nazi. Putin is like literally Hitler. Haha.
 
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