Coming Financial Crisis Worse Than ’29?

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Ah yes, the wonders of NAFTA...which has dismantled the U.S. manufacturing base & cost thousands of American jobs!
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Thanks to Don for posting this article on ANU News. It's a good article on the "smoke & mirrors" economy...build on a house of cards...the (private) "Federal" Reserve, fiat currency, fraction reserve banking & the ponzi scheme of Wall $treet (with stocks pegged to weak, fiat currency).

The Smoke & Mirrors Economy



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It looks like Blockbuster, Rite Aid & Borders might be the next "victims" of the Depression (by design)...

Businesses on the Brink...

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REPORT: 60 Hospitals Cancelled Due to New Health Law. I'm sure the amount of free-loading illegal invaders flooding their ERs didn't help either!
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The destruction of American industry & working class continues...

Last U.S. Sardine Cans Being Packed on Maine
Sad for the industry, but it's not like I was a big supporter by having cans of sardines "in my lunchbox". More telling in the story is the heavy fishing regulations for the Northeast that make it tough on the fishing industry in general.
 

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Billionaire globalist super-subversive George Soros warns of another stock market crash. But what strikes me about this Reuters article is how it uses "we" and "us" over and over again, an increasingly standardized practice in the corporate media, including local news on TV. Who's "we," who's "us"? In this case, it's a group of fellow banksters and gangsters that Soros was addressing in London. This isn't reporting; it's cheerleading:
Markets could be derailed again, warns Soros

Railway porter-turned-billionaire financier George Soros delivered a stark warning last night thatthe financial world ison the wrong track and that we may be hurtling towards an even bigger boom and bust than in the credit crisis.


The man who ‘broke' the Bank of England (and who isstill able to earn a cool $3.3 bln in a year) said the same strategy of borrowing and spending that had got us out of the Asian crisis could shunt us towards another crisis unless tough lessons are learned.


Soros, who worked as a porter to pay for his studies at the London School of Economicsafter emigrating from Hungary, warned us to heed the lesson that modern economics had got it wrong and that markets are not inherently stable.


"The success in bailing out the system on the previous occasion led to a superbubble, except that in 2008 we used the same methods,"Â￾ he told a meeting hosted by The Economist at the City of London's modern and impressive Haberdashers' Hall.


"Unless we learn the lessons, that markets are inherently unstable and that stability needs to the objective of public policy, we are facing a yet larger bubble.


"We have added to the leverage by replacing private credit with sovereign credit and increasing national debt by a significant amount."Â￾


One crumb of comfortcould bethe 10-year period between the 1998 Asian crisis and the 2008 credit crisis. If the pattern is repeated, it should at least mean we have another 8 years to go before the next crash"¦
http://blogs.reuters.com/fundshub/2010/04/14/markets-could-be-derailed-again-warns-soros/
 

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It looks like a double dip recession/depression is on the way if this is true.....Foreclosures in U.S. surge to record high

Barrie McKenna

Another destructive wave of foreclosures is crashing down on U.S. homeowners as banks begin to deal with the massive "shadow"Â inventory of bad mortgages on their books.

Defying costly government efforts to keep Americans from losing their homes, banks are foreclosing on properties and repossessing them at a record pace.

RealtyTrac reported Thursday that foreclosures reached a new high of 367,056 in March, up 8 per cent from the same month last year. Banks also took possession of a record 260,000 properties in the first quarter, up 35 per cent from a year earlier, according to RealtyTrac, which began issuing its reports in 2005. "Lenders are starting to make a dent in the backlog of distressed inventory that has built up over the last year,"Â RealtyTrac president James Saccacio said.

The so-called shadow inventory is made up of mortgages where borrowers have fallen behind on payments, but the bank has not yet moved to seize the property. U.S. banks were under intense political pressure to stem the rising tide of foreclosures last year in the thick of the financial crisis.

Nevada, Arizona, Florida and California â€" the same states where the housing crisis began â€" continue to lead the U.S. in foreclosures. In Nevada, for example, one in every 33 homes received a foreclosure notice in the first quarter â€" four times the national average.

The first wave of foreclosures, which began in 2007, was mainly caused by risky subprime loans to marginal borrowers.

But RealtyTrac spokesman Daren Blomquist said this latest surge is being driven by homeowners with more conventional mortgages, who have either lost a job or are making a conscious decision to walk away because their home is worth less than the outstanding mortgage.

"It's not necessarily the case that people can't afford their payments,"Â he said. "It's often that it's not in their economic interest to keep their homes."Â

In many U.S. states, banks lack the authority to seize a homeowner's other assets or income in the event of a default. In Canada, banks have relatively more power.

On the one hand, it's a good thing that banks are finally working off all their bad mortgages because then they can start making new loans.

But it also suggests that the U.S. housing problem will continue to weigh heavily on the recovery. Builders can't start building new homes at a healthy clip or employ many more people until most of the cheap foreclosed homes are sold off. And until the jobless rate, now at 9.7 per cent, comes down, Americans won't resume buying new or existing homes at a substantial rate.

"I'm just not seeing much of a recovery in housing,"Â conceded Desmond Lachman, a resident fellow at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington. Mr. Lachman, a former top International Monetary Fund official, said there's a "huge amount of stock overhanging the market,"Â adding that's likely to persist as long as unemployment stays high.

"The biggest problem for housing is unemployment."Â

Roughly seven million households are now behind on their mortgage payments. And increasingly, they are people with conventional mortgages, rather than risky subprime or so-called alt-A mortgages.

Like the labour market, which could take years to recover to prerecession levels, the housing market could be stay depressed for some time.

"We're going to have a serious problem in the housing market as far as the eye can see,"Â said Thomas Zimmerman, managing director of mortgage credit and asset-backed security research at UBS. All the federal, state and local programs aimed at heading off foreclosures have merely "pushed the can down the road,"Â he added.

That's left too many bad mortgages stuck in the pipeline, Mr. Zimmerman said.

On Wednesday, U.S. government officials acknowledged that efforts to stem the tide of foreclosures aren't working as well as expected. Between February and March, the number of home loans that failed after qualifying for government-backed modifications doubled to nearly 3,000.

The government set a target of helping four million households avoid foreclosure. But a Congressional oversight panel said this week that only a small number of modifications will last as long as five years.

"In the final reckoning, the goal itself seems small in comparison to the magnitude of the problem,"Â the panel said.


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WSJ: Dim Future for Men










In an article titled "Meet the Unemployable Man,"Â￾ the Wall Street Journal paints a dismal picture of the future for men in America, particularly those without college degrees. Lawrence Summers, Obama's economic advisor, is quoted in the article saying: A good guess"¦is that when the economy recovers five years from now, one in six men who are 25 to 54 will not be working.
full article: http://www.the-spearhead.com/2010/05/07/wsj-dim-future-for-men/

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The 1,000pt drop seemed suspicious to me from the very beginning. That's an awfully convenient "accident" for a government that has declared its love of crises as a means to grab more power and control over the economy. Now Democrat congressmen are calling for hearings and new regulation of the markets. Sounds like Obama's greatest dream: All trades must go through a government commission before approval. Other than the Sun burning out, I can't think of anything that would destroy our nation quicker.
Don't believe the "fat fingers" lie. This was a manufactured crisis. It had a purpose. They are now going to try to implement their solution.
 

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If "one in six men" will be unemployed five years from now, then the economy will not have really "recovered", even if our Matriarchy sees to it that the unemployment rate for women is 0%. But, since when would the Global Corporatist and Big Bank lover Summers ever consider a low unemployment rate to mean that an economy has "recovered" anyway? He cares about the unemployed and the unemployment rate about as much as his Wall Street buddies do...zero. If he can predict this five years in advance, then that's because that's how they are planning it to be. What he is really saying between-the-lines is "men in America are expendable". A primary role for them will be as Empire-building toy soldiers, enriching the Multi-Nationals that won't hire them and expanding gynocracies like ours around the globe.
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Dr. Ron Paul continues to speak the truth, albeit when few media outlets bother to report on it.

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The Central Banking Cartel states the obvious...

US faces same problems as Greece, says Bank of England

By Edmund Conway Economics Last updated: May 13th, 2010

Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England, fears that America shares many of the same fiscal problems currently haunting Europe. He also believes that European Union must become a federalised fiscal union (in other words with central power to tax and spend) if it is to survive. Just two of the nuggets from one of the most extraordinary press conferences I have been to at the Bank.

What with all the excitement yesterday over our new Government, I never had time to remark on the Inflation Report press conference. Most of our attention was on what King said about the Government's fiscal plans (a ringing endorsement). But, as Jeremy Warner has written in today's paper, it was as if King had suddenly been unleashed. Bear in mind King is usually one of the most guarded policymakers in both British and central banking circles. Not yesterday.

It isn't often one has the opportunity to get such a blunt and straightforward insight into the thoughts of one of the world's leading economic players. Most of this stuff usually stays behind closed doors, so it's worth taking note of. And I suspect that while George Osborne will have been happy to hear his endorsement of the new Government's policies, Barack Obama and the European leaders will have been far less pleased with his frank comments on their predicament.
The transcript and video are online at the Bank's website, but below are the extended highlights, all emphasis mine. Well worth checking out.

America, and many other large economies including the UK, share some of the same problems as Greece with its public finances:

Every country around the world is in a similar position, even the United States; the world's largest economy has a very large fiscal deficit. And one of the concerns in financial markets is clearly â€" how will this enormous stock of public debt be reduced over the next few years? And it's very important that governments, both here and elsewhere, get to grips with this problem, have a clear approach and a very clear and credible approach to reducing the size of those deficits over, in our case, the lifetime of this parliament, in order to convince markets that they should be willing to continue to finance the very large sums of money that will be needed to be raised from financial markets over the next few years, at reasonable interest rates.

On why Europe will have to become a federalised fiscal union:

I do not want to comment on a particular measure by a particular country, but I do want to suggest that within the Euro Area it's become very clear that there is a need for a fiscal union to make the Monetary Union work. But if that is to happen there needs to be also a mechanism to enable other countries that have lost competitiveness to regain competitiveness. That requires actions, probably structural reforms, changes in wages and prices, in the countries that need to regain competitiveness. But it also needs a solid and expansionary state of domestic demand in the stronger economies in Europe.

On the deficit:

The most important thing now is for the new government to deal with the challenge of the fiscal deficit. It is the single most pressing problem facing the United Kingdom; it will take a full parliament to deal with, and it is very important that measures are taken straight away to demonstrate the seriousness and the credibility of the commitment to dealing with that deficit.

Why it is right that the Government wants to cut spending as soon as this year:

We see the recovery beginning to take place, and we expect that the pace of that recovery will pick up. But we've also seen the market response in the past two weeks, where major investors around the world are asking themselves questions about the interest rate at which they are prepared to finance trillions of pounds of money that will need to be raised on financial markets in the next two to three years, to finance government requirements around the world. And that I think has been a sobering reflection of what can happen if you don't make very clear at the outset â€" I think markets were not expecting any action before the election. After the election they need and they want a very clear, strong signal and evidence of the determination to make it work.

And I think that it's quite difficult to make credible a commitment to fiscal consolidation if all the measures are somehow in the future. You need to start and get on with it"¦.

I don't believe that the scale of those measures, the £6bn cuts, is likely to be such as to dramatically change the outlook for growth this year. And as I said earlier in response to answers, I think it does reduce some of the downside risks by taking away some of the market risk that might have occurred if there'd been a sharp upward movement in yields.

On Greece:

I think the lesson from Greece is that, if the problem had been dealt with three months ago, it would not have become as serious as it subsequently became. And I think the important thing now is that Greece has been dealt with a major IMF and European Union package"¦

But those measures provide only a window of opportunity. They do not affect the total amount of debt, in themselves which countries around the world have to repay. The markets, which some of our European partners like to describe as speculators causing difficulty, are the very same markets where the public sector is looking to provide trillions of pounds of support to finance public debt around the major countries in the world over the next few years.

What matters is that those investors are prepared to buy government debt at interest rates which make it tolerable for the countries concerned. And that is why it is important for each and every country to demonstrate that they are on top of a programme for their country to reduce the fiscal deficit to a sustainable path.

That has been the big message, but within the international community I think there is a very clear understanding that the package of financial support which was made available at the weekend is not an underlying solution to the problem. It provides a window of opportunity which gives governments the chance to put their house in order; and it gives the international economic community a chance to talk about what I think â€" and have always said for some considerable time â€" to be one of the major issues facing us, which is the need to rebalance demand around the world economy.

On how worried international leaders are about the economy and Europe's fiscal problems:

As you know international conversations proceed very slowly â€" too slowly usually. In 2008 there was an exception.
I think the mood and manner of the G7 meetings at the IMF in October 2008 was very different, and that people did come together and recognise that, unless they worked together, we would all be facing an extraordinarily serious position. That's pretty well documented in Hank Paulson's memoirs of the period.

But I think what I heard on the telephone conversations that I was part of at the weekend, it was slightly reminiscent of that: a recognition that the problems are far too serious for countries not to work together. After all, dealing with a banking crisis was difficult enough, but at least there were public sector balance sheets onto which the problems could be moved.

Once you move into the sphere of concerns about sovereign debt, there is no answer; there's no backstop. And it is very important therefore that we hit these problems on the head now, put in place credible solutions to prevent the problems becoming worse.

And I detected at the weekend, in the conversations that I spent hours listening to on the telephone, that this sense of the need to work together was there again"¦.

It is absolutely vital, absolutely vital, for governments to get on top of this problem. We cannot afford to allow concerns about sovereign debt to spread into a wider crisis dealing with sovereign debt. Dealing with a banking crisis was bad enough. This would be worse.

Why it's too early to start raising UK interest rates, but not too early to be worried about inflation:

If you mean a tightening of monetary policy, then at some point it certainly will come. And when it comes it will be very welcome because it will be a sign of the strength of the UK economy, and the fact that we feel we will need to tighten monetary policy because we think the prospect for inflation is that it will not be to fall below the target as a result of so much spare capacity. So I think we would look forward to that time when it will come, because it will be a reflection of strength of the economy.

We're not at that point now; I don't know when it will come; that's something we will judge month by month.
I can assure you the MPC is very concerned about what's been happening to inflation. I do think that we have seen a sequence of shocks, price level shocks, which have inevitably raised inflation. We have also seen in the past three years two episodes now in which inflation did go up quite significantly and then came down quite sharply. And I think our judgement is that next year we will see a repeat of that. If these effects are not repeated, if we don't see further increases in indirect taxes, or oil prices, then those shocks will not be there and inflation will start to come back and reflect the extent of spare capacity.

Fond words on former Chancellor Alistair Darling:

Perhaps I could take the opportunity of thanking Alistair Darling, and saying that I think that â€" for someone who became Chancellor and after only a few weeks the world's greatest financial crisis took place â€" he has brought, not just domestically but internationally, a sense of calm and good humour which has made it much easier to deal with the problems that arose. And indeed, I think we had some rocky times, but we ended up with a very strong working relationship and in large part that's because of the way he handled himself in the job.

Rather less fond words on former PM Gordon Brown:

I worked very closely with him late at night, weekends, to deal with the financial crisis. And I think when we both look back on our careers in many years to come, not now, many years to come, we will reflect that we probably had few opportunities to do something as important as the recapitalisation of the banking system in October 2008. It led, I think, the reaction of the rest of the world to that crisis. We worked incredibly closely on that. And I think that will seem a high point. And I very much valued the opportunity to work closely with Gordon Brown over many years as Chancellor and then Prime Minister. He had a remarkable period in office. And I wish him well in what I suspect is a career of which we may yet see more to come.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/edmundconway/100005657/us-faces-same-problems-as-greece-says-bank-of-england/

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Rumor or breaking news? Germany to drop the Euro. the link includes a video and a screen capture that quotes gold in German Marks. also, a post on an internetforum sparked further excitement.
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I'm working at the Deutsche Bank in Germany. Today we delivered 1 container with new Deutsche Mark notes and new coins. I will present a photo from the new banknotes tomorrow morning. The curencychange will be the night from Saturday to Sunday 5/16/2010. On Friday, 19.00 GMT Angela Merkel the germany chancelor, will speach to the german nation.</BLOCKQUOTE>
if it's true, this will have major impact on the currencies of the world. it would also likely accelerate the nightmare going on in Europe.

in news related to the instability around the globe, Gerald Celente thinks you'd be crazy to have your money in the stock market these days. and after the 1,000-point drop on Thursday, does anyone really believe things are on the up and up? this whole thing is corrupt, and it's global.

i think you guys will get a lot out of this interview ... which is probably why it wasn't on the mainstream media anywhere. here's an excerpt:

The Crash of 2010. That's our forecast that we came out with in the Trends Journal on January 13th of this year, and we're sticking with it. We're saying that the world markets will have gone through severe economic crash before 2011 begins. And we're going to see country after country go through this kind of turmoil.


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Number one, I think you have to be out of your mind to be in the stock market. It's a rigged game. Look what happened today when the stocks dropped 700 points in 15 minutes. You know how many people got blown out of the market. And what do they attribute it to? Dark pools, high frequency trading, insider trading. I think you have to take no risk at all. When you take risk you gamble"¦


"¦I have 80% of my assets in gold"¦


To me it's about wealth preservation. Greece, Portugal, Ireland, Spain, Ukraine, Latvia, Italy - go around the globe. You're going to start seeing defaults on sovereign debts. There is no safe risk to take. When you take a risk, you gamble. No time to gamble now.

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JC, sage advise from Mr.Celente. The stock market is a massive ponzi scheme, that uses "smoke & mirrors" to dupe investors. Since stocks are (largely) pegged to the fiat dollar, they face the same downfall. Precious metals is a wise investment choice indeed!
 

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Dow theorist Richard Russell: Sell everything you can and get liquid.

From The Business Insider, May 18, 2010:


WHOA!


Richard Russell, the famous writer of the Dow Theory Letters, has a chilling line in today's note:
Do your friends a favor. Tell them to "batten down the hatches" because there's a HARD RAIN coming. Tell them to get out of debt and sell anything they can sell (and don't need) in order to get liquid. Tell them that Richard Russell says that by the end of this year they won't recognize the country. They'll retort, "How the dickens does Russell know -- who told him?" Tell them the stock market told him.


That's pretty intense!


Update: By popular demand, here's more on what he sees in the market. The gist is that the markets recent gyrations are telling him that the economy is in trouble:
And I ask myself, "Am I seeing things? The April 26 high for the Dow
was 11205.03. The Dow is selling as write at 10557 down 648 points
from its April high. If business is even better than expected, then
why is the Dow down over 600 points? And why, if there were 674 new
highs on the NYSE on April 26, were there only 20 new highs on Friday,
May 14? And if my PTI was 6133 on April 26, why is it down 17 points
since its April high?

The fact is that I've been seeing deterioration in the stock market
ever since early-April, and this in the face of improving business
news
. The D-J Industrial Average is composed of 30 internationally
known top-quality blue-chip stocks. These are 30 of "America's biggest
companies." If Barron's is so bullish on the future of America's
biggest companies, then why isn't the Dow advancing to new highs?

Clearly something is wrong. But what could it be? Much as I love
Barron's, I trust the stock market more. If I read the stock market
correctly, it's telling me that there is a surprise ahead. And that
surprise will be a reversal to the downside for the economy, plus a
collection of other troubles ahead
.

About Dow Theory -- First, we saw the recent April highs in the
Averages. Then we saw a plunge in both Averages to their May 7 lows --
Industrials to 10380.43, Transports to 4298.12, next a short rally. If
ahead, the two Averages turn down and violate their May 7 lows, that
would be the clincher. Such action would signal the certain resumption
of the primary bear market.


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this short vid sums the situation up pretty succinctly ... It's Coming Here Soon.

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a humorous song that mocks "our" government's actions ...
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Gerald Celente: riots to occur worldwide.

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Once again, as stock markets crash around the world, the price of precious metals tumbles right along with them, something completely counterintuitive that defys common sense. We're supposed to believe folks are not only dumping stocks but are also selling gold and silver to. . . what, buy those CDs that are paying zero percent? Every market appears to be rigged and there is nowhere for non-elites to invest that doesn't lose money.
 

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I've been watching the precious metals too, Don. It is ridiculous, but I don't see how the charade can be kept up forever. If the worst case scenario happens, I'm thinking fiat money will be worthless and precious metals will be used for exchanges. The only question I'm still wondering about is when everything will fall apart. Still, I think precious metals (coins or bars) are a good investment.
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Get a load of this from the NY Post, note the disclaimer at the end!

"Federal agents have launched parallel criminal and civil probes of JPMorgan Chase and its trading activity in the precious metals market, The Post has learned.

The probes are centering on whether or not JPMorgan, a top derivatives holder in precious metals, acted improperly to depress the price of silver, sources said.

The Commodities Futures Trade Commission is looking into civil charges, and the Department of Justice's Antitrust Division is handling the criminal probe, according to sources, who did not wish to be identified due to the sensitive nature of the information.

The probes are far-ranging, with federal officials looking into JPMorgan's precious metals trades on the London Bullion Market Association's (LBMA) exchange, which is a physical delivery market, and the New York Mercantile Exchange (Nymex) for future paper derivative trades.

JPMorgan increased its silver derivative holdings by $6.76 billion, or about 220 million ounces, during the last three months of 2009, according to the Office of Comptroller of the Currency.

Regulators are pulling trading tickets on JPMorgan's precious metals moves on all the exchanges as part of the probe, sources tell The Post.

JPMorgan has not been charged with any wrongdoing.

The DOJ and CFTC each declined to comment, as did JPMorgan.

The investigations stem from a story in The Post, which reported on a whistleblower questioning JPMorgan's involvement in suppressing the price of silver by "shorting" the precious metal around the release of news announcements that should have sent the price upwards.

It is alleged that in shorting silver, JPMorgan sells large blocks of silver option contracts or physical metal -- actions that would bring down the price of the metal -- closely following news that would otherwise move the metals higher.

Last week, The Post got a telling e-mail the Justice Dept. sent to a concerned investor. "Thank you for your e-mail regarding allegations that JPMorgan Chase, and perhaps other traders, are manipulating the silver futures market," the e-mail read.

Telling, indeed, as the concerned investor, in an e-mail to Justice's Anti-trust division, never mentioned any companies or traders.

Correction: Following the publication of this story, JPMorgan issued a statement: "There is no criminal or civil Department of Justice investigation of J.P. Morgan for its silver trading practices."



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Paper silver or ETF's are created by banks like JP Morgan. There is at least 10 times the amount of paper silver as there is physcal in circulation. This is a classic ponzi scheme as are almost all the modern day frauds. The final leg of this financial downfall will be when the large banks tell the paper silver holders "oops" we don't have it and btw we're bankrupt and not delivering. Physical silver and gold will finally explode, but until then just buy physical and wait.

Russia has just announced a doubling of its gold reserve. Hard to believe precious metals would drop at all with this currency mess and big announcements like the one Russia made. We've had much smaller financial scares that took silver $50 in 1980 and I believe palladium sky-rocketed to well over a thousand back when our dollar was much more valuable.
 

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