Coming Financial Crisis Worse Than ’29?

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Thanks for the info, Kaptain. Never heard of ETFs before, probably because I've been looking mostly at what is written by those who discuss silver bullion. Never trust anyone when it comes to paper money. It may have value today, but it may be worthless tomorrow. This ETF thing kind of reminds me of what happened with U.S. Silver Certificates. They were made to reflect the amount of silver the U.S. Treasury owned. When the price of silver rose enough to make our silver coinage worth more than its face value, they quit making SCs and silver coinage in general. That was in 1964. They did make Kennedy halves in 40% silver from 1965 through 1970. Until mid-1968, you could take a one dollar SC into a bank and they were obligated to give you a dollars worth of silver coinage for it. Just like the end of 90% silver coinage after 1964, SCs saw their real value end when redemption in silver stopped in 68. Now you can only redeem them for an increasingly worthless Federal Reserve note. So, one day a $1 silver certificate was worth close to $1.50, and the next day, it was worth way less than an actual dollar.
 

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It's time to shed some crocodile tears for actor Nicholas Cage.

Debt Thick, Goodbye Nic

Missed payments lead to foreclosure of actor's home

In some ways, Cage is like so many other Las Vegans who bought homes with outsized loans at the market's apex. He bought the Spanish Hills property in September 2006 for $8.5 million.



Where the Oscar winner's story differs from most others is in the magnitude of his financial collapse. Cage, whom Forbes ranked as the country's fifth-highest paid actor in 2009 with earnings of $40 million, had amassed an estate that included 15 homes, four yachts, a Gulfstream jet and millions in jewelry and art, according to celebrity-gossip Web site TMZ.com.


Cage's Spanish Hills home looked to be part of a plan to buy houses across the country and "profit from them," Lowman said. "All of a sudden, that plan doesn't look like it's going to work out."


That's for sure.


Today, Cage owes the Internal Revenue Service roughly $13 million in back income taxes. He's sold or listed for sale properties in Germany and California. Two homes he owned in New Orleans went up for auction in November to help cover $5.5 million in unpaid home loans, and he's listed a $12 million Rhode Island property on which he owes $128,000 in back taxes.
full article: http://www.lvrj.com/business/debt-thick-goodbye-nic-82667582.html
 

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It looks like the Central Banking Cartel is squaring off against PTB puppets Obongo & Brown...


Bankers unite against Barack Obama and Gordon Brown in call for world regulation

27.01.10

Bankers stood shoulder-to-shoulder at the Swiss ski resort of Davos to try to prevent a scatter-gun approach to new financial regulation by different countries.

They united against Barack Obama's threat to break up banks and Gordon Brown's growing enthusiasm for a Tobin tax on all financial market transactions.

The Standard Chartered chief executive, Peter Sands, warned against over-regulating the private sector and stifling economic recovery. "The stakes are very high,"Â￾ he said. "If we get it wrong in one dimension, we will end up stifling growth. If we get it wrong in the other dimension we end up with another crisis.

"The idea that banking is getting back to business as usual is a misunderstanding. Banking has fundamentally changed. There is an acceptance that things will have to continue to change."Â￾

Barclays Capital boss Bob Diamond warned that threats from the US President and moves from the Prime Minister such as the bankers' bonus tax were damaging. "This is a time when isolated actions in the US and UK are not beneficial,"Â￾ he said. "Without risk we do not have a banking industry. Having banks willing to take risks, particularly cross-border risk is essential to economics."Â￾

Financiers are keen to see a slower approach to new regulation rather than knee-jerk reactions from individual countries.

"We could all be losers in the end if we don't have an efficient market in place any more,"Â￾ Deutsche Bank boss Josef Ackermann said at the World Economic Forum.

Moves to limit bank size were misguided, and risked ending up with small players, ill-equipped to cater to the needs of global trade, he said. He added: "I think you wouldn't have better, more resilient and more efficient markets."Â￾

But Jaime Caruana of the Bank of International Settlements told financiers they could not leave it entirely to regulators to fix things. He said: "Regulators are conscious there is a balance between quality of management and regulation. Regulation is a very important part of the solution, but there is an important part that comes from the private sector â€" and it is really that â€" quality of management."Â￾

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Thanks G301! I'm proud to be amongst other CF HOF'ers like yourself, Col.Reb, Bart, WhiteAthlete33 & Jimmy C!
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Welcome to the club, Dixie!
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Does anyone believe this? Very little is made anymore in the U.S., no one is being hired and just about everyone is spending less, yet the economy someone boomed at a growth rate of 5.7% last quarter??? Sounds like yet another case by the establishment of "fitting the facts" on behalf of an agenda. Pravda and Izvestia had more credibility in the last days of the Soviet empire than Washington and its step 'n fetchit media do today.


<H1 ="test1">Economy grows at 5.7 pct pace, fastest since 2003</H1>
<H2>Economy grows for 2nd straight quarter at better-than-expected 5.7 pct rate, best since 2003</H2>
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Economy-likely-grew-faster-in-apf-3028347842.html?x=0&amp;.v=9
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Don, that headline struck me as (bogus) propaganda as well. The MSM waters down the unemployment rate to "claim" it's 8-10%, when in actuality it's probably 20-25%.
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As you alluded to, spending is down (especially Christmas) and many companies are still laying off (Walmart, Verizon, etc.) or having hiring "freezes". I think this is part of a (big) ruse to dupe the public into thinking the economy is actually recovering. I'm sure the PTB would love to see the suckers start reinvesting (again), so the Elite can then re-implode the economy to finish off the American middle class.
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NPR was all over that headline in effect saying "see, we told you Obama's the greatest president ever!!!!"
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The PTB controlled government "conveniently" underestimated the amount of jobs lost during this depression...by 1 million+.
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Recession's job losses likely to rise by nearly 1 million

By Chris Isidore, senior writer , On Thursday February 4, 2010

As bad as the government's jobs readings numbers have been during the Great Recession, we'll soon find out the real situation likely was worse.

Much worse.

Job losses during the recession may have been underestimated by close to a million jobs. So instead of employers cutting just over 7 million jobs from their payrolls since the economic downturn began in December 2007, it's expected that the Labor Department's new estimate will be a loss of 8 million jobs.

"It's an enormous understatement of the severity of the crisis," said Heidi Shierholz, labor economist with the Economic Policy Institute, a union-supported think tank. "It confirms that things were actually worse on the ground than what the reports suggested."

The new reading will come when the economists at the department's Bureau of Labor Statistics release their annual revision of U.S. payrolls from April 2008 through March of 2009 Friday, using data that wasn't available as the monthly readings were being estimated and reported.

Typically the revision results in only a slight change in the previous estimate -- about 0.1% to 0.2% of the total number of jobs. But there was nothing typical about the twelve month stretch that ended last March.

That period included the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers, the seizing up of financial markets and the U.S. economy toppling close to the brink of another depression.

The government's current readings show that 4.8 million jobs were lost in those twelve months, more than twice the jobs lost during any comparable April-March period going back to 1939, when the numbers first started to be compiled.

But the department has already given a preliminary look at this Friday's revision, and it says it believes it will show 824,000 fewer workers on payrolls than the current estimates. That would be the biggest downward revision in the 30 years for which comparisons of those adjustments is possible.

"There's certainly a disconnect between economists like myself who say the recession ended in May or June and the person on the street who says the recession hasn't ended," said John Canally, economist LPL Financial. "This report is only going to widen that gap."

Canally said the big revision is one reason that it's difficult to estimate what Friday's report will show about the labor market in January, or how investors will react to the report.

Economists surveyed by Briefing.com are forecasting a net gain of 13,000 jobs in January, following a loss of 85,000 jobs in December. The unemployment rate is expected to remain at 10%.

Economists say it shouldn't be a surprise that there is such a big revision this time, given the severity of the economic downturn.

"Most of the time it's reasonably accurate. But when there are very sharp changes in the economy, they tend to miss and it becomes a big problem," said Dean Baker, co-director of the Center for Economic and Policy Research.

The problem is that BLS models appear to have grossly overestimated the number of new businesses that opened during the recession.

The payroll number is created through a monthly survey of employers, but that survey misses employers who start a business during the course of the year, as well as those who have gone out of business.

So every month BLS uses what is known as a birth-death adjustment to estimate the number of jobs created or lost from that turnover in business.

During the April 2008-March 2009 period, that adjustment added jobs to the overall payroll number in 11 of the 12 months, resulting in a net gain of 717,000 jobs.

"When the numbers were coming out, the idea that we had a significant number of businesses being created didn't make sense," said Baker.

There is a concern that this problem didn't end in March of 2009. In fact, the adjustment added even more jobs -- 990,000 -- in the nine months reported since then.

So another big revision in the payroll numbers could be looming a year from now. That means this Friday's report should give pause to anyone who is depending on the official numbers to signal real improvement in the economy.

"The numbers might be showing some pick-up in hiring, but I haven't seen much evidence of it," said Mark Vitner, senior economist with Wells Fargo Securities.

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Obama can't be as stupid as he seems . He is acting like a burglar who broke into a bank and he is going to take every last dollar he can. Except he using the US treasury. He is going to spend every last dollar on his "people" and other parasitic groups while he has the power and the future of the country doesn't concern him . He is like the typical black who is too stupid to think about long range issues.
 

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Hollyweird swallows another one of it's own....Corey Haim's Family Asks For Financial Help

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Toronto native Corey Haim will be buried in his hometown next week after the actor, 38 died on Wednesday. But now his family is reaching out to his fans, asking for financial donations to cover the cost of his funeral and bringing his body home.

Haim's longtime friend and "Lost Boys"Â￾ co-star Corey Feldman told CNN's Larry King that Haim was broke and owed the U.S. government $200, 000 is taxes.

When he died, Haim was living with his mother, who is suffering from breast cancer, in Los Angeles.

Donations can be made care of:

Corey Haim Memorial Fund
c/o Judy Haim
P.O. box 87655
298 John Street
Thornhill, Ontario
L3T 7R4

The family has also set-up an online account at coreyhaim.us/memorial.html. There has not been a date set for either a Toronto funeral, or a planned Los Angeles memorial.

Meanwhile, new reports have surfaced that claim Haim may have been involved in a major drug ring that provided him with an illegal prescription for painkillers.

Authorities told The Associated Press that during an investigation of the ring, the California attorney general's office found records of the phony prescription with Haim's name on it. An investigation is ongoing.
 

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This is for Jaxvid....
Ponzi schemer Bernie Madoff reportedly assaulted in prison










Thu Mar 18, 7:59 pm ET

Last December, officials at the federal prison in Butner, N.C., rebuffed rumors of a prison-yard beatdown involving the facility's most famous inmate, Bernie Madoffâ€"he of the multibillion-dollar Ponzi scheme that crashed to earth so ingloriously in 2008. Yes, the prison's administrators conceded, Madoff had suffered facial fractures and lacerations, broken ribs and a collapsed lung requiring an extended hospital stay. But the former Wall Street titan had just fallen out of his bunk bed, they insisted.

Today, observers who were skeptical of the odds that one's lung might collapse after a tumble out of bed were vindicated. The Wall Street Journal confirmed the more plausible version of events today: that Madoff was indeed jumped and beaten up by a fellow inmate, a "beefy" gent who possessed a black belt in judoâ€"and had a personal grievance stemming from a Madoff-contracted debt he believed he was owed.

According to three prison sources the paper spoke to, the man who stole tens of billions of dollars from clients over a span of decades spends his days at the medium-security facility watching action films like "Lethal Weapon" and doling out financial advice to fellow inmates in the prison library. The sources say that Madoff's closest buddy is a New York pharmacist locked up for the illegal distribution of painkillersâ€"but that he also socializes frequently with Carmine Persico, the head of the Colombo crime family.

The unnamed manâ€"who's serving out a sentence based on federal drug chargesâ€"clearly is not part of the Madoff inner circle at Butner. He might well be able to score some free drinks once he's released, however, from fellow members of the bilked-by-Bernie fraternityâ€"an extensive list that includes Kevin Bacon, Steven Spielberg and New York Mets owner Fred Wilpon. Even Harry Markopoulos, the whistle-blower who tracked the Madoff scam for years, has told the press he wouldn't have blanched at murdering Madoff if that was what it took to stop him.

The December incident wasn't the first time Madoff found himself engaged in a prison brawl. He allegedly emerged the victor after an argument with another inmate over the "state of the market" ended in fisticuffs last October. Additionally, the New York Post reported last year that various prison gangs, including the Butner facility's "homosexual posse," had been aggressively trying to recruit Madoff into their crews, regarding his notoriety in the outside world as a badge of honor.

Oddly, for all the concern about the irrational bent of the nation's army of pitchfork-wielding populists, physical attacks on Wall Street chieftains are not exactly epidemic. The only other former master of the universe who's suffered a physical attack was former Lehman Brothers head Dick Fuldâ€"and he was smacked by one of his former employees, not a fleeced investor.

"It's actually been a little surprising that there haven't been more of them out there," said John Carney, about episodes in which financiers might find themselves on the wrong end of a fist. Carney, who covers Wall Street for Business Insider, adds that the cocoon of privilege that envelops most high-rolling investors can also serve as protective camouflage. "They live in a world where they have limited contact to normal human beings. In order to get beat up they have to be in the same room as people who aren't just like them."

â€" Brett Michael Dykes is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News.
 

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The Fed has lost another court decision on transparency. We'll see where this goes, or when or if we will ever find out who received bailout dollars as far back as 2007.



FED lose decision
 

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the ObamaCare bill just passed the House ... 219-212, three more votes than required after all the maneuvering and rule breaking. zero Republicans voted for the bill, for what that's worth.

Obama is, of course, going to sign it as soon as possible.

gentlemen, we ain't seen nothin' yet. dark days lie ahead ...

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