Christophe Lemaitre "White Lightning" 9.92 and 19.80!

[RCSMAN]

In adittion you tell that he could get 4.22 for last 50m?
It could be around 3.37 for last 40m, are you sure?
I can tell you that is impossible that this year he can get 3.37 last 40m.
Only Bolt,Gay and Blake can make it in all history of 100m, 3.37 is really amazing, perhaps you dont know splits most runners...

Your figures are correct except that concerning his race during French championships, he doesn't ran in 6.50 but in 6.54 and with a bad start !

in the 2nd 50M I think that it is capable of running in 4.22 because if he starts faster, he will arrive in his top speed earlier and thus its second part of race will be faster, furthermore he ran last year 4.27 without muscle and by making steps too big.

By putting more rhythm over his end of race he will run faster!
Thus 4.22 seems to me really reachable !
The record of bolt is 4.15 and gay 4.19 (time rectified without wind)!

The best christophe's quality is his end of race, he can concurencer tyson gay on the 2nd 50M, but gay is widely better than christophe in the first one 50M !
Bolt is very good but not extraordinary in the second part of race, but BOLT is EXTRAORDINARY in the first 50M!

The world record of the 50M is 5.55 and bolt during his 100M 9.58 ran the first 50M in 5.47 (rectified without wind) it is very very impressive!
Christophe will be capable this year of running the 60M in 6.50 and the last 40 meters in 3.37 (time without wind). It is my opinion !

Wait and see !

 

[ZELLGADISS]

In first place, you should not talk "without wind" when we talk total time.
It is good talk about it for compare times between runners, but his best time is 9.92 with 2.0 wind, it is the reality.
And yes he got 6.50 when he got 9.92,im totally sure because a friend of IAAF was there and with special cams got that time at 60m mark.

The best time for last 50m is for Bolt with 4.11(splits 10m IAAF in Berlin)in his 9.58.
4.22 is impossible for Lemaitre in this moment, sorry again is my opinion.
And Bolt is extraordinary in the second part of race, please you can see ALL his races and is where he get his big advantage.
Of course when he is in great shape his first part is amazing, but usually is only "good".

Lemaitre for sub 9.9 he has to get 6.45-6.47 at 60m mark time and i dont see it in this moment.

I hope that he can to get it but i dont see that he improve his first 30m yet, where he is very slow compared with top sprinters.

Regards

 

[dwid]

In first place, you should not talk "without wind" when we talk total time.
It is good talk about it for compare times between runners, but his best time is 9.92 with 2.0 wind, it is the reality.
And yes he got 6.50 when he got 9.92,im totally sure because a friend of IAAF was there and with special cams got that time at 60m mark.

The best time for last 50m is for Bolt with 4.11(splits 10m IAAF in Berlin)in his 9.58.
4.22 is impossible for Lemaitre in this moment, sorry again is my opinion.
And Bolt is extraordinary in the second part of race, please you can see ALL his races and is where he get his big advantage.
Of course when he is in great shape his first part is amazing, but usually is only "good".

Lemaitre for sub 9.9 he has to get 6.45-6.47 at 60m mark time and i dont see it in this moment.

I hope that he can to get it but i dont see that he improve his first 30m yet, where he is very slow compared with top sprinters.

Regards

I'm not getting all of this emphasis on wind less than 2.0. I don't know much about track but I do know that wind does not always blow one direction. Looking it up I have found that a cross wind of 3.0 can show up as +1.9, how much does really help the time? From what I am reading they only measure the wind at one point of the track. A study at different stadiums placed measurements at 20, 40, 60 and 80 from the start line on both sides of the track, the readings were all different. It showed that the wind did not move in a regular or predictable way

I don't see any other posts/articles when it comes to wind and whether a sprinter ACTUALLY ran under 10 seconds, only for Lemaitre, and like others, you have implied in the past that he actually hasn't run under 10 seconds.

Does +1.0 really affect a race by THAT much. +2.0? then why is +2.0 still considered legal? I am asking a legitimate question because I don't follow track.

 

[white is right]

I'm not getting all of this emphasis on wind less than 2.0. I don't know much about track but I do know that wind does not always blow one direction. Looking it up I have found that a cross wind of 3.0 can show up as +1.9, how much does really help the time? From what I am reading they only measure the wind at one point of the track. A study at different stadiums placed measurements at 20, 40, 60 and 80 from the start line on both sides of the track, the readings were all different. It showed that the wind did not move in a regular or predictable way

I don't see any other posts/articles when it comes to wind and whether a sprinter ACTUALLY ran under 10 seconds, only for Lemaitre, and like others, you have implied in the past that he actually hasn't run under 10 seconds.

Does +1.0 really affect a race by THAT much. +2.0? then why is +2.0 still considered legal? I am asking a legitimate question because I don't follow track.

In track and field parlance it's called a basic time. So if you record X then through a formula people take off of the wind reading and add or subtract the difference. I think the reason his times are talked about more than say Bolt is because he is just under 10 and his basic is around flat 10. You will find people talking about basic times when people approach world record times too and then you can see how much wind affects times. Ps a few years ago the 2000 100 bronze medalist ran 9.6X with a 5.5 wind and he was about as fast as Lemaitre was as of 2011. Also here is an example of little known Swedish sprinter running a sub 10 with a similar wind reading he was a 10.1X sprinter at his best and made a world championship quarter final. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYlaBfQSDlU

 

[Strad]

I'm not getting all of this emphasis on wind less than 2.0. I don't know much about track but I do know that wind does not always blow one direction. Looking it up I have found that a cross wind of 3.0 can show up as +1.9, how much does really help the time? From what I am reading they only measure the wind at one point of the track. A study at different stadiums placed measurements at 20, 40, 60 and 80 from the start line on both sides of the track, the readings were all different. It showed that the wind did not move in a regular or predictable way

I don't see any other posts/articles when it comes to wind and whether a sprinter ACTUALLY ran under 10 seconds, only for Lemaitre, and like others, you have implied in the past that he actually hasn't run under 10 seconds.

Does +1.0 really affect a race by THAT much. +2.0? then why is +2.0 still considered legal? I am asking a legitimate question because I don't follow track.

Good observation. A tailwind up to 2.0 is allowed, so any time run within that limit is obviously real. Some folks are just looking for excuses to dismiss him. I wonder Why?

Btw, 9.92 with a 2.0 talwind would equal about 9.98 with no wind, so the point is moot anyway.

 

[Bk21]

GATLIN compares LEMAITRE to BOLT

http://translate.google.fr/translat...ualites/Gatlin-compare-lemaitre-a-bolt/282629

 

[ZELLGADISS]

Good observation. A tailwind up to 2.0 is allowed, so any time run within that limit is obviously real. Some folks are just looking for excuses to dismiss him. I wonder Why?

Btw, 9.92 with a 2.0 talwind would equal about 9.98 with no wind, so the point is moot anyway.

Strad you are wrong.
9.92 +2.0 is around 10.02 without wind.
His 9.95 +1.0 is better time really, because would be around 10.00 without wind.

You should look general rules for wind for to be basic time(without wind and sea level)
The wind is a lot of important.
2.0 is legal because IAAF tell that is the maximum help that they want(only a good wind, not super wind,a little help)
Some people that never get sub10 or almost never, with super wind they got 9.6 or 9.7.
You should find them

And the altitude is very important too.
If you run at 2000 metres by example you will run a lot faster that at sea level.

 

[RCSMAN]

Yesterday, christophe ran a 250M in 26.25

 

[greyghost]

blah

new record for CL , now guys guess who is going to be ready for london :target:

 

[planb47]

Yesterday, christophe ran a 250M in 26.25

where did he run the 250m, in training ? 26.25 is not a great time the best can go below 25

 

[trackster]

Well, technically, it's a world record, smashing the one set in 2008 by some unknown from Cameroon. However, it's a distance no one ever runs. Unofficially, Bolt and M. Johnson were both timed for 250m splits while running 300 (where Bolt couldn't quite break the roid-era king's record), and their times were around one second faster than LeMaitre's.

So I would characterize this as a mixed result. It's nowhere near Bolt and MJ at their peaks, but then LeMaitre isn't at his racing peak yet this year and doesn't have his usual endurance.

I'm glad that he ran it. He's been needing to do some overdistance work to build endurance. Would love to see him run a 300 or, better, 400 or two.

 

[dwid]

In track and field parlance it's called a basic time. So if you record X then through a formula people take off of the wind reading and add or subtract the difference. I think the reason his times are talked about more than say Bolt is because he is just under 10 and his basic is around flat 10. You will find people talking about basic times when people approach world record times too and then you can see how much wind affects times. Ps a few years ago the 2000 100 bronze medalist ran 9.6X with a 5.5 wind and he was about as fast as Lemaitre was as of 2011. Also here is an example of little known Swedish sprinter running a sub 10 with a similar wind reading he was a 10.1X sprinter at his best and made a world championship quarter final. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYlaBfQSDlU

I can understand winds close to 6 affecting a race dramatically, but I still don't think it would make those times every single time, because wind is not always going one way.... from my understanding there is only one reading and a cross wind of a much higher wind which would actually not benefit the race could come up as 2.0. There was a study where they placed ones at every 20 m on both sides and got different readings on each one, much different. So its just hard for me to believe that every time one thing reads a certain amount of wind that a racer is going to get .10 of help. And is there more than one study to show that +2.0 of wind helps a sprinter by exactly by .10? I just think there would be variation from race to race, its only reasonable to think.

 

[RCSMAN]

Well, technically, it's a world record, smashing the one set in 2008 by some unknown from Cameroon. However, it's a distance no one ever runs. Unofficially, Bolt and M. Johnson were both timed for 250m splits while running 300 (where Bolt couldn't quite break the roid-era king's record), and there times were around one second faster than LeMaitre's.

So I would characterize this as a mixed result. It's nowhere near Bolt and MJ at their peaks, but then LeMaitre isn't at his racing peak yet this year and doesn't have his usual endurance.

I'm glad that he ran it. He's been needing to do some overdistance work to build endurance. Would love to see him run a 300 or, better, 400 or two.

you said "LeMaitre isn't at his racing peak yet this year and doesn't have his usual endurance" .

Your reasoning is strange !!!


A lot of people in this forum will be surprised with christophe's performance on 200M next week !

Christophe is in great shape, his 250M in 26.25 is a good time !
Your pessimism is incomprehensible !

Christophe works very hard, his body is more powerful, he will be faster than last year

 

[Bk21]

RCSMAN
you seem to know Christophe very well, do you know him personally? or maybe Carraz? if yes, you can provide us with exclusive infos about his training and his shape

 

[elispeedster]

you said "LeMaitre isn't at his racing peak yet this year and doesn't have his usual endurance" .

Your reasoning is strange !!!


A lot of people in this forum will be surprised with christophe's performance on 200M next week !

Christophe is in great shape, his 250M in 26.25 is a good time !
Your pessimism is incomprehensible !

Christophe works very hard, his body is more powerful, he will be faster than last year

26.25 for 250 meters, which is hardly run, is not a good time. 25.75 or under is a 'good' time, especially someone of Christophe's caliber.

You say Christophe is currently in top shap?, I hope he is not, because if he is in top shape and cant run under 10.4 or 20.4 at this stage considering he was a steady sub 10.10 runner and 20.3 runner last year this early in the season, I will be very disappointed... and he wont crack the top 5 in either the 100 or 200 this Olympic year (he may not even make the final).

Lets see what happens next week. If he cant run under 20.2, he must cut ties with Carraz right away! Because there cant be any other explanation than his coaching... or maybe it is true that White sprinters who showed promise early on, like Shirvington and Pickering, peak under the age of 22 and regress after the age of 22. That would be sad. Christophe is the only legit Hope we have.

 

[RCSMAN]

26.25 for 250 meters, which is hardly run, is not a good time. 25.75 or under is a 'good' time, especially someone of Christophe's caliber.

You say Christophe is currently in top shap?, I hope he is not, because if he is in top shape and cant run under 10.4 or 20.4 at this stage considering he was a steady sub 10.10 runner and 20.3 runner last year this early in the season, I will be very disappointed... and he wont crack the top 5 in either the 100 or 200 this Olympic year (he may not even make the final).

Lets see what happens next week. If he cant run under 20.2, he must cut ties with Carraz right away! Because there cant be any other explanation than his coaching... or maybe it is true that White sprinters who showed promise early on, like Shirvington and Pickering, peak under the age of 22 and regress after the age of 22. That would be sad. Christophe is the only legit Hope we have.

you said "If he cant run under 20.2, he must cut ties with Carraz right away"!

What stupid and immature comment

 

[RCSMAN]

The sprinter Christophe Lemaitre should align himself with 100 m on Sunday on the occasion of finale of interclubs in his fief of Aix-les-Bains. " There is strong chances so that it is on 100 m because he has Rome to the program (on May 31st) on this distance, in front of Bolt and Powell ", indicated to AFP his trainer Pierre Carraz. " It is not still totally decided

 

[ZELLGADISS]

Well 26.25 is good time in general.
Is not great time of course, but well he is beginning the season.
I hope that he runs 100 soon, with a little positive wind he should make around 10.0x easily.

Come on Lemaitre, you can get it¡¡¡¡

 

[Keyser Soze]

Lemaitre's interview in LeMonde:

http://www.lemonde.fr/sport/article...e-belle-revanche-sur-la-vie_1699392_3242.html

He is saying that he will participate in late June in the European Championship and that even then he will not be in his peak of the season. He also talks about his "special" Achilles tendon that gives his gifted natural speed (he has very short tendons and less flexible than most people). He also states that he wish to stop running around 33~36 y.o .

 

[RAUL]

guy's dont say he regress just because he dont run somewhere to his best in first race of the season,you can say if he regress just at the end of the season,if when the season end he dont equal his pb or make better just then regress,not now.give him credit because have a lot of potential.in 20 may he will run 200m if he run a 20.2x anybody dont say anymore he regress

 

[RCSMAN]

guy's dont say he regress just because he dont run somewhere to his best in first race of the season,you can say if he regress just at the end of the season,if when the season end he dont equal his pb or make better just then regress,not now.give him credit because have a lot of potential.in 20 may he will run 200m if he run a 20.2x anybody dont say anymore he regress

You are totally right !

I tried to explain that to some people of the forum, but they prefer to criticize Pierre Carraz with arguments stupid!
Christophe progressed, he will run faster this season, the next race of christophe will be May 20th, probably it will be for a 100M to prepare the 100M of Rome on May 31st!

 

[RCSMAN]

It is official !

Christophe Lemaitre will run the 100m rather than the 200m in finale of Interclubs on Sunday to Aix-les-Bains. In front of his public, the triple champion of Europe will not align himself with the about-turn of track, his club having inherited from a lane (n°2) little favorable, especially, he wanted to prepare on the straight line in a little more than a week of his first big meeting of the season, the meeting Diamond League of Rome on May 31st, with in particular the Jamaicans Usain Bolt and Asafa Powell as the opponents. Regrettably for the Inhabitant of Aix, weather conditions look again very bad, little convenient to a big stopwatch on the straight line.

 

[ZELLGADISS]

He has to try get a time around 10.00 this weekend, i hope that he get it :happy:

 

[Strad]

Strad you are wrong.
9.92 +2.0 is around 10.02 without wind.
His 9.95 +1.0 is better time really, because would be around 10.00 without wind.

You should look general rules for wind for to be basic time(without wind and sea level)
The wind is a lot of important.
2.0 is legal because IAAF tell that is the maximum help that they want(only a good wind, not super wind,a little help)
Some people that never get sub10 or almost never, with super wind they got 9.6 or 9.7.
You should find them

And the altitude is very important too.
If you run at 2000 metres by example you will run a lot faster that at sea level.

Nope, I made that estimate based on experience, seeing what the same sprinters have run with and without wind, not some silly 'rule'. I know all about altitude effecting times. Sprinters tend to run .06-.07 with a 2.0 tailwind as compared to no wind at the the same altitude.

Next time, try showing some courtesy and tell someone you disagree, rather than declaring them wrong.

 

[RCSMAN]

Nope, I made that estimate based on experience, seeing what the same sprinters have run with and without wind, not some silly 'rule'. I know all about altitude effecting times. Sprinters tend to run .06-.07 with a 2.0 tailwind as compared to no wind at the the same altitude.

Next time, try showing some courtesy and tell someone you disagree, rather than declaring them wrong.

What you say is not correct!

Here is the most known simulator

http://myweb.lmu.edu/jmureika/track/wind/