Christophe Lemaitre "White Lightning" 9.92 and 19.80! -- Part Two

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Oui j'ai pour Pekin

Heat 10.46-9.83
Semi 10.58-9.76

Un mec comme Lemaitre se doit d'être en moins de 9.60 si il veut exister au niveau mondial, il peut le faire, il l'a déjà fait lors de son 19.80 (9.56) et il n'avait pas l' endurance d'aujourd'hui
 

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Hi all! Longtime lurker here. Finally decided to join this wonderful site! I have followed Lemaitre's career for as long as he has been involved in track and I must say I am sad to see such a talented(clean) sprinter waste his talent. The problems I see are mainly his arms and his lack of speed endurance(he is gasping for air) in the last 2-3 years. I can say as a sprint coach for the last 10 years and a masters aged sprinter, he is definitely lacking proper training for speed endurance and after viewing many of his videos, interviews etc I have come to the conclusion he is quite immature mentally and pouts so much before and after races and especially while training. If any of the other members here are sprinters we all know that training is hard and is tedious but it needs to be done. Even though I believe Gatlin is a juicer I doubt you would evr hear him complain or pout about having to train.

Lemaitre needs to clean up his shoulders and arms, especially his left arm as he is actually pulling himself backwards with his left arm movements I do think his knee lift and leg extensions are fantastic in his drive and relax phases. Running in "B" level races or what others call club circuit is a waste of time as he is so much faster than the rest it inflates his sense of accomplishment. You cannot get faster in your mind running against inferior competition no matter the circumstances. He goes from dominating 1 week to getting his ass handed to him the next. His coach is to blame here as his training is inferior and he as a coach should not enter him into these B meets, what if he blows a hamstring or achilles in these meets and his season possibly his career is done? I hate to say it but unless he changes his priorities and seeks high quality coach and training he will never reach his true talent levels. To continually be supporting a coach who is a B level coach as a fan or as a world class sprinter is a travesty. Unless Lemaitre decides to make this much needed change he will never see his abundant natural talent come to fruition.

Cheers....

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Hi all! Longtime lurker here. Finally decided to join this wonderful site! I have followed Lemaitre's career for as long as he has been involved in track and I must say I am sad to see such a talented(clean) sprinter waste his talent. The problems I see are mainly his arms and his lack of speed endurance(he is gasping for air) in the last 2-3 years. I can say as a sprint coach for the last 10 years and a masters aged sprinter, he is definitely lacking proper training for speed endurance and after viewing many of his videos, interviews etc I have come to the conclusion he is quite immature mentally and pouts so much before and after races and especially while training. If any of the other members here are sprinters we all know that training is hard and is tedious but it needs to be done. Even though I believe Gatlin is a juicer I doubt you would evr hear him complain or pout about having to train.

Lemaitre needs to clean up his shoulders and arms, especially his left arm as he is actually pulling himself backwards with his left arm movements I do think his knee lift and leg extensions are fantastic in his drive and relax phases. Running in "B" level races or what others call club circuit is a waste of time as he is so much faster than the rest it inflates his sense of accomplishment. You cannot get faster in your mind running against inferior competition no matter the circumstances. He goes from dominating 1 week to getting his ass handed to him the next. His coach is to blame here as his training is inferior and he as a coach should not enter him into these B meets, what if he blows a hamstring or achilles in these meets and his season possibly his career is done? I hate to say it but unless he changes his priorities and seeks high quality coach and training he will never reach his true talent levels. To continually be supporting a coach who is a B level coach as a fan or as a world class sprinter is a travesty. Unless Lemaitre decides to make this much needed change he will never see his abundant natural talent come to fruition.

Cheers....
Lemaitre needs to get away from Pierre 'Third Place' Carraz
 

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Oui j'ai pour Pekin

Heat 10.46-9.83
Semi 10.58-9.76

Un mec comme Lemaitre se doit d'être en moins de 9.60 si il veut exister au niveau mondial, il peut le faire, il l'a déjà fait lors de son 19.80 (9.56) et il n'avait pas l' endurance d'aujourd'hui
Il l'avait également fait à Londres lors de son 19.91 et lors de sa demie aux jeux.
 

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Pierre-Alexis Pessonnaux, Christophe Lemaitre's mate in Aix-Les-Bains ran 10.33 in Lyon. New Personnal best. Carraz arrives to improves his athlète again. :)
 

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Pierre-Alexis Pessonnaux, Christophe Lemaitre's mate in Aix-Les-Bains ran 10.33 in Lyon. New Personnal best. Carraz arrives to improves his athlète again. :)


I'm happy for Pierre Alexis Pessonnaux but here in lies part of the problem. Coach Carraz has Christophe training and competing against average sprinters at their best. In order for Lemaitre to get better he needs to face elite level sprinters
on a regular basis. You can't expect to get to the highest level by beating sprinters similar to Pessonnaux. I'm just trying
to point out reality when your trying to beat guys like Bolt, Powell, and Gatlin. Christophe has never faced the caliber
of competition they do almost year round and that is the reason he has been stuck in neutral for 4 to 5 years now. I honestly
don't see anything ever changing. Christophe Lemaitre and Coach Carraz are happy with the status quo. I still root for them
with all my heart but my mind tells me the best results, wins, medals, etc are in the rearview mirror. I hope I'm proven wrong!
 

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I think it's important to have a good emulation in a group but if you see Vicaut, his mates run in 10.20-10.3-10.4. Good level but not a international level, but Vicaut run 9.9 "easly". Lemaitre ran 9.92 and 19.80 with Pessonnaux. I don't know the part of the improvement of athlète to fight with a good élite mate every day.
 
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Hi all! Longtime lurker here. Finally decided to join this wonderful site! I have followed Lemaitre's career for as long as he has been involved in track and I must say I am sad to see such a talented(clean) sprinter waste his talent. The problems I see are mainly his arms and his lack of speed endurance(he is gasping for air) in the last 2-3 years. I can say as a sprint coach for the last 10 years and a masters aged sprinter, he is definitely lacking proper training for speed endurance and after viewing many of his videos, interviews etc I have come to the conclusion he is quite immature mentally and pouts so much before and after races and especially while training. If any of the other members here are sprinters we all know that training is hard and is tedious but it needs to be done. Even though I believe Gatlin is a juicer I doubt you would evr hear him complain or pout about having to train.

Lemaitre needs to clean up his shoulders and arms, especially his left arm as he is actually pulling himself backwards with his left arm movements I do think his knee lift and leg extensions are fantastic in his drive and relax phases. Running in "B" level races or what others call club circuit is a waste of time as he is so much faster than the rest it inflates his sense of accomplishment. You cannot get faster in your mind running against inferior competition no matter the circumstances. He goes from dominating 1 week to getting his ass handed to him the next. His coach is to blame here as his training is inferior and he as a coach should not enter him into these B meets, what if he blows a hamstring or achilles in these meets and his season possibly his career is done? I hate to say it but unless he changes his priorities and seeks high quality coach and training he will never reach his true talent levels. To continually be supporting a coach who is a B level coach as a fan or as a world class sprinter is a travesty. Unless Lemaitre decides to make this much needed change he will never see his abundant natural talent come to fruition.

Cheers....
Please don't hesitate to give the coaches perspective on this and other athletics threads.
Madara, just now brought up the (paraphrased) question; If Lemaitre's squads running mates being so inferior is a hindrance to Christophe's development, then why weren't they a hindrance when he was running 9.92 & 19.80. It's not that I think Madara thinks they aren't a hindrance, but to what degree and what other factors. I think it's a valid question. To your point of his seeming immaturity, I've sensed that too. I'll be accused by this threads resident Francophile as an amateur psychologist, which I can't argue against, but at the this point in the Christophe Lemaitre story, it's hard to not be searching for answers of that sort.
 

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We've been through this so many times with Christophe. Year after year . . . . I wish we had someone else to talk about.
 

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Lets look at this from another point of view: Lemaitre knows what it takes to compete at elite level, yet he is contented to be a big star in a small sky instead of doing his very best to be the biggest star in a big sky. I personally think he is a mommies boy at times. He is very famous in France almost Rock Star status and he likes the feeling..who wouldn't right? His coach needs to be man enough to put Lemaitre ahead of himself, admit he cannot take him further step aside and let Lemaitre go to better coaching and a much more aggressive situation where he has to "man" up! Personally he is the type of kid I would have bullied the hell out of in school. As a young teenager I posted times at 18 of 10.65 100m and 21.05 200m good times but I would have killed for his talent! yet he wastes it and has wasted so many years he cannot get back. It is now or never for him to move onto greener pastures(new coach) and stop being coddled.

I do not know how he can continue his road of insanity, doing the same things over and over yet expecting better results. He has been elite in the past and he did it clean unlike most of his competitors but they have left him behind by continuing to push themselves to be better not basking in what was....PED's or not...

Personally if I was him I would be totally embarrassed in competing in B meets against average sprinters.....

Time to start wiping his own ass....

My 2 cents worth...
 

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I Think Lemaitre needs to run in B meetings to win and to be confident. But i think too it's necessary to run against elite runner to preparate championship. Lemaitre can run fast against no one. I don't know who will be there in Nancy. But before french championship i don"t think it's the best...
 

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Lets look at this from another point of view: Lemaitre knows what it takes to compete at elite level, yet he is contented to be a big star in a small sky instead of doing his very best to be the biggest star in a big sky. I personally think he is a mommies boy at times. He is very famous in France almost Rock Star status and he likes the feeling..who wouldn't right? His coach needs to be man enough to put Lemaitre ahead of himself, admit he cannot take him further step aside and let Lemaitre go to better coaching and a much more aggressive situation where he has to "man" up! Personally he is the type of kid I would have bullied the hell out of in school. As a young teenager I posted times at 18 of 10.65 100m and 21.05 200m good times but I would have killed for his talent! yet he wastes it and has wasted so many years he cannot get back. It is now or never for him to move onto greener pastures(new coach) and stop being coddled.

I do not know how he can continue his road of insanity, doing the same things over and over yet expecting better results. He has been elite in the past and he did it clean unlike most of his competitors but they have left him behind by continuing to push themselves to be better not basking in what was....PED's or not...

Personally if I was him I would be totally embarrassed in competing in B meets against average sprinters.....

Time to start wiping his own ass....

My 2 cents worth...


"He is very famous in France almost Rock Star status and he likes the feeling..who wouldn't right?"

WHAT ? :)

Zidane, Tony Parker, Teddy Riner are almost Rock Star status NOT Lemaitre
 

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Pierre-Alexis Pessonnaux, Christophe Lemaitre's mate in Aix-Les-Bains ran 10.33 in Lyon. New Personnal best. Carraz arrives to improves his athlète again. :)

GREAT !

big improvement for Pierre Alexis
 
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5 years ago, Lemaitre would finish 2nd-3rd in this race, now we can only assume 6 or 7th place...Thanks Pierre.....Some good news, if Lemaitre Fails in RIO, Caraz may let the shackles off and send him full time to train with Laurence Bily (something that should of been done 5 years ago, although I would want Lemaitre to come to the US for 3 months to learn and build his power which he lacks). http://www.sports.fr/athletisme/art...-quittera-peut-etre-carraz-apres-rio-1528263/
 

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5 years ago, Lemaitre would finish 2nd-3rd in this race, now we can only assume 6 or 7th place...Thanks Pierre.....Some good news, if Lemaitre Fails in RIO, Caraz may let the shackles off and send him full time to train with Laurence Bily (something that should of been done 5 years ago, although I would want Lemaitre to come to the US for 3 months to learn and build his power which he lacks). http://www.sports.fr/athletisme/art...-quittera-peut-etre-carraz-apres-rio-1528263/



"I would want Lemaitre to come to the US for 3 months to learn and build his power which he lacks). "

:) yes with steroid
 

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I think if Lemaitre went to the States for training it would definitely help him alot. For RCSMAN I admire you inane ability to defend and protect Lemaitre as I think we all want him to do his very best with his incredible natural talent. If an athlete trains in the US it does not mean he takes steroids or PED's, it is available to any athlete who wants it but I am quite positive Lemaitre would stay away from it as he already has. Some of his own teammates are using PED's so it can happen in any country. If you look at Bolt's teeth as a teenager they are all crooked and misplaced, he has not had braces in that time and yet his incisors are pronounced much more than even when he was 19, sure sign of PED's, why did Montgomery get braces in his late 20's...PED's. Many people(mostly Blacks and white haters) accuse Schippers of doping because she is a big, well built, broad shouldered white woman, with a square shaped jawline and acne who is a world class multi event athlete and world class sprinter....yet look at her as a teenager, no difference except she is now a woman.

Supporting Lemaitre is a good thing but defending mediocrity with a multitude of excuses is not conducive to helping this superior sprinter. Remember non white's and white people who hate their own race want this guy to fail. Do you really think the Black sprinters want him to be competitive? When they lose to him they are condemned by their own race. I as a Canadian used to cheer for Jared Connaughten, I know he was clean just well built, his times were decent with potential for more but he pushed so hard, ran through injury when maybe he shouldn't have done so but he is tough as nails and would do his very best at all times. Lemaitre could learn from this type of do what it takes to win attitude. One more thing that the coach in me wants to point out about Lemaitre is that he needs to relax at the start line, stay moving and limber but he is so anxious and tight then he flails his left arm in a backward motion just out of his drive phase(which is too short) which is so counter productive to moving forward at a fast pace. He wil never be a muscle dude so he needs to focus on training to be fast and increase his speed stamina which he lacks now.

Cheers....
 

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I think if Lemaitre went to the States for training it would definitely help him alot. For RCSMAN I admire you inane ability to defend and protect Lemaitre as I think we all want him to do his very best with his incredible natural talent. If an athlete trains in the US it does not mean he takes steroids or PED's, it is available to any athlete who wants it but I am quite positive Lemaitre would stay away from it as he already has. Some of his own teammates are using PED's so it can happen in any country. If you look at Bolt's teeth as a teenager they are all crooked and misplaced, he has not had braces in that time and yet his incisors are pronounced much more than even when he was 19, sure sign of PED's, why did Montgomery get braces in his late 20's...PED's. Many people(mostly Blacks and white haters) accuse Schippers of doping because she is a big, well built, broad shouldered white woman, with a square shaped jawline and acne who is a world class multi event athlete and world class sprinter....yet look at her as a teenager, no difference except she is now a woman.

Supporting Lemaitre is a good thing but defending mediocrity with a multitude of excuses is not conducive to helping this superior sprinter. Remember non white's and white people who hate their own race want this guy to fail. Do you really think the Black sprinters want him to be competitive? When they lose to him they are condemned by their own race. I as a Canadian used to cheer for Jared Connaughten, I know he was clean just well built, his times were decent with potential for more but he pushed so hard, ran through injury when maybe he shouldn't have done so but he is tough as nails and would do his very best at all times. Lemaitre could learn from this type of do what it takes to win attitude. One more thing that the coach in me wants to point out about Lemaitre is that he needs to relax at the start line, stay moving and limber but he is so anxious and tight then he flails his left arm in a backward motion just out of his drive phase(which is too short) which is so counter productive to moving forward at a fast pace. He wil never be a muscle dude so he needs to focus on training to be fast and increase his speed stamina which he lacks now.

Cheers....
Rcsman does care about lemaitre, he only cares lemaitre stays with Caraz and in France.
 

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I think if Lemaitre went to the States for training it would definitely help him alot. For RCSMAN I admire you inane ability to defend and protect Lemaitre as I think we all want him to do his very best with his incredible natural talent. If an athlete trains in the US it does not mean he takes steroids or PED's, it is available to any athlete who wants it but I am quite positive Lemaitre would stay away from it as he already has. Some of his own teammates are using PED's so it can happen in any country. If you look at Bolt's teeth as a teenager they are all crooked and misplaced, he has not had braces in that time and yet his incisors are pronounced much more than even when he was 19, sure sign of PED's, why did Montgomery get braces in his late 20's...PED's. Many people(mostly Blacks and white haters) accuse Schippers of doping because she is a big, well built, broad shouldered white woman, with a square shaped jawline and acne who is a world class multi event athlete and world class sprinter....yet look at her as a teenager, no difference except she is now a woman.

Supporting Lemaitre is a good thing but defending mediocrity with a multitude of excuses is not conducive to helping this superior sprinter. Remember non white's and white people who hate their own race want this guy to fail. Do you really think the Black sprinters want him to be competitive? When they lose to him they are condemned by their own race. I as a Canadian used to cheer for Jared Connaughten, I know he was clean just well built, his times were decent with potential for more but he pushed so hard, ran through injury when maybe he shouldn't have done so but he is tough as nails and would do his very best at all times. Lemaitre could learn from this type of do what it takes to win attitude. One more thing that the coach in me wants to point out about Lemaitre is that he needs to relax at the start line, stay moving and limber but he is so anxious and tight then he flails his left arm in a backward motion just out of his drive phase(which is too short) which is so counter productive to moving forward at a fast pace. He wil never be a muscle dude so he needs to focus on training to be fast and increase his speed stamina which he lacks now.

Cheers....


"I think if Lemaitre went to the States for training it would definitely help him alot."

Yes America is the place to be, the kingdom of track and field !
sorry but America is not the center of the world !

american method is what ? gatlin DOPED, montgomery DOPED, Tyson gay DOPED, Crawford DOPED, Mitchell DOPED, williams DOPED, lewis DOPED etc, etc, all sprinters ran sub 10

what is the efficacity of american method, i don't know because the best american sprinter are doped.

Not only AMERICA knows about track and field, France and the other countries also !

there are a lot of great athlete in France

100M : vicaut 9.86, Lemaitre 9.92, Christine arron 10.73, perec 10.96
200M : lemaitre 19.80, Perec 21.99
400M : Perec 48.25
400Mh : Perec 53.21
800M : Bosse : 1.42.53, patricia Djaté 1.56.53
1500M : Baala 3.28.98
pole vaul : Galfione, lavilennie etc, etc

this is the best french athletes in history, and DOPED = 0, that's difference with the american sprinter

I like america but it's stupid to think America is the place to be for track and field, it's false


i say that because, France like others countries knows about track and fields, not only AMERICA


"Supporting Lemaitre is a good thing but defending mediocrity with a multitude of excuses is not conducive to helping this superior sprinter."

the mediocrity is when a guy say "carraz is too old" it's not an argument, "carraz is not an elite trainer, his training is bad", do you live in aix les bains, no, so you don't know about his training, etc, etc THAT'S MEDIOCRITY, because is just stupid accusation and it's disrespectful.

My English is too bad to explain correctly what i would like to say.

Where is kilty, where is hari, where is gemili and the others promising sprinters, the elite sport it's not a video game, it's very difficult, more complicated what you say
 
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