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Colonel_Reb
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UCLA FB Danny Nelson had an awesome 27 yard carry for a first down on a fake punt direct snap. I'll put a pic up of it in my pics thread. Chane Moline had 2 carries for 2 yards and a TD.
Jimmy Chitwood
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just a couple of interesting facts that most college football experts aren't smart enough to notice...
two Heisman Trophy "candidates" at running back have been playing behind white running backs who are equally, or probably more, talented but don't get comparable touches. instead, they are relegated to almost strictly a blocking role. of course, i'm talking about rice at Rutgers running behind Brian Leonard and darren mcfadden running behind Peyton Hillis at Arkansas. the white backs, being the multi-talented, unselfish athletes they are, have excelled in their role. however they get very little appreciation for it other than being "unselfish."
take a look at what their "more afaletic" teammates did without them on the field on Saturday...
Leonard pulled a hamstring and suddenly rice can't run. he tallied a pathetic 50 yards and a TD on 18 carries, for an anemic 3 ypc average.
Hillis was out with a horrific deep thigh bruise, and mcfadden nets 84 yards on 26 attempts, an average of only 3.2 ypc.
maybe the white guys in front are the BIGGEST reason the black backs are getting the hype...
the numbers speak for themselves.
and i watched the Vanderbilt game where Hawkins got to play late... he had a couple of really nice runs, but his numbers were severely hurt by the fact he was hit in the backfield 5 times on the drive.
and for Lumsdenpower... Bird is a dominant power runner. his o-line, and in fact the entire Idaho team, suffers froma serious lack of talent. they are a very poor team, and his rushing stats this year do NOT reflect his talent level.
also, one last thing... Danny Woodhead, a Division 1 tailback playing at Division II Chadron State, has 2488 yards and 31 TDs rushing this season, an average of 226 yards per game and 8.5 yards per carry.
he also has 33 catches for 315 yards and a TD on the year, in leading Chadron State to an undefeated regular season.
two Heisman Trophy "candidates" at running back have been playing behind white running backs who are equally, or probably more, talented but don't get comparable touches. instead, they are relegated to almost strictly a blocking role. of course, i'm talking about rice at Rutgers running behind Brian Leonard and darren mcfadden running behind Peyton Hillis at Arkansas. the white backs, being the multi-talented, unselfish athletes they are, have excelled in their role. however they get very little appreciation for it other than being "unselfish."
take a look at what their "more afaletic" teammates did without them on the field on Saturday...
Leonard pulled a hamstring and suddenly rice can't run. he tallied a pathetic 50 yards and a TD on 18 carries, for an anemic 3 ypc average.
Hillis was out with a horrific deep thigh bruise, and mcfadden nets 84 yards on 26 attempts, an average of only 3.2 ypc.
maybe the white guys in front are the BIGGEST reason the black backs are getting the hype...
and i watched the Vanderbilt game where Hawkins got to play late... he had a couple of really nice runs, but his numbers were severely hurt by the fact he was hit in the backfield 5 times on the drive.
and for Lumsdenpower... Bird is a dominant power runner. his o-line, and in fact the entire Idaho team, suffers froma serious lack of talent. they are a very poor team, and his rushing stats this year do NOT reflect his talent level.
also, one last thing... Danny Woodhead, a Division 1 tailback playing at Division II Chadron State, has 2488 yards and 31 TDs rushing this season, an average of 226 yards per game and 8.5 yards per carry.
Colonel_Reb
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Good points Jimmy. Its something I have been noticing more in college ball over the past two seasons. Wait till some of these guys get into the NFL and they realize they aren't nearly as good as they thought. We will all have a good chance to see this next year at Rutgers. Rice will be maybe half the back he was with Leonard if he's lucky. It will be kind of fun to watch, but at the same bittersweet if no NFL coaches start to understand what is happening.
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"Danny Woodhead, a Division 1 tailback playing at Division II Chadron State, has 2488 yards and 31 TDs rushing this season, an average of 226 "
I believe another ex Chadron Sate player holds the record for the number of Super Bowl appearances by any one NFL player (6)
I believe another ex Chadron Sate player holds the record for the number of Super Bowl appearances by any one NFL player (6)
Jimmy Chitwood
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Mr. Beebe, i presume...
Jimmy Chitwood
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Vandy's Jared Hawkins got to carry the ball 9 times on Saturday, mostly on their last drive of the game when back-up QB MacKenzie Adams was handing him the ball (Adams is a 2-time state hurdles champ, btw) behind the back-up o-line. but here's what happened at least 5 of those times...
Hawk getting hit in the backfield
here's what happens when the o-line did their job.
Adams handing off to HawkinsEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood
Hawk getting hit in the backfield
here's what happens when the o-line did their job.
Adams handing off to HawkinsEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood
Jimmy Chitwood
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Chadron State is now 11-0. Woodhead is the nation's leading rusher and has more than 2,800 all-purpose yards and 32 total touchdowns this year.
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2 weeks ago, Nevada's sophomore tailback Luke Lippincott, was named the WAC Offensive Player of the Week.
Lippincott (who has already been noted by Colonel Reb), a sophomore from Salinas, Calif. (Palma HS), came off the bench to rush for a career-high 144 yards on 25 carries and two touchdowns in Nevada's 42-0 win over Utah State. He scored the Wolf Pack's second and third touchdowns of the game from five yards and one yard out, respectively. Lippincott averaged 5.8 yards per carry.
cornerback Joe Garcia (i think he's mexican, but i'm uncertain...) won the WAC Defensive PoW the same week.
Lippincott then made his second career start at running back, last week against Louisiana Tech, and rushed for 122 yards on 18 carries with three touchdowns.
Lippincott now has three straight games with at least two touchdowns (he had 19 carries for 93 yards and 2 TDs against Idaho)!
Luke in action against Louisiana Tech
Luke's non-smiling mug
Joe Garcia returning an INTEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood
Lippincott (who has already been noted by Colonel Reb), a sophomore from Salinas, Calif. (Palma HS), came off the bench to rush for a career-high 144 yards on 25 carries and two touchdowns in Nevada's 42-0 win over Utah State. He scored the Wolf Pack's second and third touchdowns of the game from five yards and one yard out, respectively. Lippincott averaged 5.8 yards per carry.
cornerback Joe Garcia (i think he's mexican, but i'm uncertain...) won the WAC Defensive PoW the same week.
Lippincott then made his second career start at running back, last week against Louisiana Tech, and rushed for 122 yards on 18 carries with three touchdowns.
Luke in action against Louisiana Tech
Luke's non-smiling mug
Joe Garcia returning an INTEdited by: Jimmy Chitwood
Colonel_Reb
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Yeah, Robert Hubbard was the starter ahead of him at the beginning of the year. He has a 4.7 YPC average, while Luke Lippincott has averaged 4.9 on half the carries, while having 5 less negative yardage plays and 3 more TDs. Currently, Nevada's 2nd RB is Mike Kanellis, also white, and he's averaged 6.0 YPC on the 18 carries he's had this year. Hubbard is now listed as the 3rd back.
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Colonel_Reb
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Jacob Hester had 6 runs for 18 yards plus 3 catches for 45 yards. He was hurt midway through the 4th quarter and didn't play anymore.Edited by: Colonel_Reb
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I am really glad to see LSU win.Arkansas has totally screwed over Peyton Hillis.It really is very sad.Hester has been the man for LSU and they now will hopefully get a place in a BCS Bowl where Jacob can continue running and catching passes in front of a national audience.Let's hope he has an even bigger role next year.
Colonel_Reb
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Chad Hall had 11 for 58, plus 2 catches for 46 yards and a TD. Beau Suder had 3 for 20 plus a 20 yard TD catch and a 22 yard punt return, and Chad Smith had 2 runs for 6.
UNLV's FB Ryan Worthen had 3 runs for 12 yards.
UNLV's FB Ryan Worthen had 3 runs for 12 yards.
Colonel_Reb
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Utah CB/RB Eric Weddle "Superman" threw an 18 yard TD pass, 7 runs for 24 yards
Punter Louie Sakoda had an 18 yard carry on a fake
Rutgers RB Brian "The Leap" Leonard 19 for 106 and 2 TDs for 5.6 YPC average, plus 4 catches for 27 yards. Rice had 23 for 107 according to ESPN, only a 4.7 YPC average.
Syracuse HB Paul Chiara 1 for 4 and 2 catches for 9
West Virginia FB Owen Schmitt 1 for 3
Lafayette FB Joe Russo 1 for 8 and a 6 yard catch
UAB HB Dan Burks 8 for 45 and a 34 yard catch
Nevada RB Luke Lippincott 2 for 14
Montana RB Brady Green 14 for 56 and 2 for 42
Arkansas FB Peyton Hillis is still injured
Idaho RB Jayson Bird had 15 for 68 and a TD
Boise State RB Brett Denton 9 for 37
RB Vinny Perretta 2 for 5 and a TD
Rice RB Mike Falco 2 for 5 and 4 catches for 48 yards
Duke HB Justin Boyle is still injured.
New Hampshire RB Robert Simpson 10 for 48 and a TD plua a 23 yard catch
FB Chad Kackert 5 for 32 and a 25 yard TD catch
FB Keith LeVan 3 for 17 plus 9 catches for 99 yards and a TD
Cincinnati FB Doug Jones 1 for 4 and a 9 yard grab
Louisville FB Brock Bolen 8 for 44
Wake Forest RB Kevin Harris ended up with 13 for 42 and 2 TDs. Edited by: Colonel_Reb
Punter Louie Sakoda had an 18 yard carry on a fake
Rutgers RB Brian "The Leap" Leonard 19 for 106 and 2 TDs for 5.6 YPC average, plus 4 catches for 27 yards. Rice had 23 for 107 according to ESPN, only a 4.7 YPC average.
Syracuse HB Paul Chiara 1 for 4 and 2 catches for 9
West Virginia FB Owen Schmitt 1 for 3
Lafayette FB Joe Russo 1 for 8 and a 6 yard catch
UAB HB Dan Burks 8 for 45 and a 34 yard catch
Nevada RB Luke Lippincott 2 for 14
Montana RB Brady Green 14 for 56 and 2 for 42
Arkansas FB Peyton Hillis is still injured
Idaho RB Jayson Bird had 15 for 68 and a TD
Boise State RB Brett Denton 9 for 37
RB Vinny Perretta 2 for 5 and a TD
Rice RB Mike Falco 2 for 5 and 4 catches for 48 yards
Duke HB Justin Boyle is still injured.
New Hampshire RB Robert Simpson 10 for 48 and a TD plua a 23 yard catch
FB Chad Kackert 5 for 32 and a 25 yard TD catch
FB Keith LeVan 3 for 17 plus 9 catches for 99 yards and a TD
Cincinnati FB Doug Jones 1 for 4 and a 9 yard grab
Louisville FB Brock Bolen 8 for 44
Wake Forest RB Kevin Harris ended up with 13 for 42 and 2 TDs. Edited by: Colonel_Reb
ToughJ.Riggins
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Wow Leonard had a huge game, that's awesome! Maybe they'll start to use him more now. However, the problem is that Rice isn't much of a blocker, and what they really should do is give Leonard 2 to 3 drives with another Fullback blocking like Cocorran. Running without a fullback has really cut down on Leonard's yards per carry this year. I think with a full back Leonard would put up the same if not better numbers than Rice. Also, when they have them both on the feild they should utilize the fake handoff to one and give it to the other better. Leonard should be getting at least 12-15 carries a game! And he's a much better pass catching threat than Rice
It's kinda late now to start usingLeonard to run the ball as Rutgers only has a game against WVU left and then a bowl game. I agree with Jimmy Chitwood that Leonard should have been the featured back over Rice as he is a better all-around runner. But we can't have that in a football program aspiring to reach the big time now can we? It would be unseemly.
Colonel_Reb
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Uh, I don't mean to knock your post, but exactly how many more games/seasons do you think Brian Leonard has at Rutgers, ToughJRiggins? I'll let you in on a secret. Exactly 2 games, next week at West Virginia and then a bowl game. Whether he is used correctly in those two games won't make much of a difference. He's already been wasted through the treatment given to him this year. Edited by: Colonel_Reb
Woodhead kicked the hell outta my alma mater West Texas State Buffalos today in the Div. II playoffs. He rushed for 252 yards and scored four touchdowns. Chadron won 43-17, damnit.
He is the Division II single season rushing leader with 2,740 yards on the year and ought to win the Harlon Hill award.Edited by: Bronk
He is the Division II single season rushing leader with 2,740 yards on the year and ought to win the Harlon Hill award.Edited by: Bronk
ToughJ.Riggins
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Yeah Colonel, I see
your point, Leonard's college career is virtually over.
As far as the work load the duo should be getting I actually have
a cousin that attends
Rutgers, as I have lot's of relatives in
Jersey, and from what I've heard
from him, most Rutgers fans think they have the most
dangerous offense w/ both Leonard and Rice on
the feild. Rather than Leonard and
Corcoran the other fullback . Hense since
Rice isn't a good blocker, Leonard is
assigned to block for Rice more
than RIce for him. I think if
Leonard had a fullback as good as
himself blocking for himself he would
put up slighly better numbers than Rice,
but that isn't the case. Rice's success is due
in large part to Leonard.
To give credit to Rice though, from what I see of him he is more
elusive than Leonard and surprisingly runs almost as powerfully with good leg drive low to the ground. Rice,
at 5'9 is very good at hiding behind the O-line and then bursting
through. They both look about around the same as far as
quickness, but I think Leonard is a little faster and a better pass
catcher. Interestingly Rice is ranked as the 4th best RB (nfldraftscout.com) for
next years draft class, so he is quite good. Leonard was formally
listed as the number 3 RB on NFLdraftscout.com for this years draft
class, but is know only listed as a FB...ridiculous. We just gotta hope
that Leonard can still run the 4.47 40 yard that he did in highschool
at the combine, even though he now weights 25 lbs. more. If not, I fear
the caste system will get him too. Leonard is averaging 4.8 yards a
carry this year without a lead blocker compared to Rice's 5.2 with
Leonard blocking.
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
your point, Leonard's college career is virtually over.
As far as the work load the duo should be getting I actually have
a cousin that attends
Rutgers, as I have lot's of relatives in
Jersey, and from what I've heard
from him, most Rutgers fans think they have the most
dangerous offense w/ both Leonard and Rice on
the feild. Rather than Leonard and
Corcoran the other fullback . Hense since
Rice isn't a good blocker, Leonard is
assigned to block for Rice more
than RIce for him. I think if
Leonard had a fullback as good as
himself blocking for himself he would
put up slighly better numbers than Rice,
but that isn't the case. Rice's success is due
in large part to Leonard.
To give credit to Rice though, from what I see of him he is more
elusive than Leonard and surprisingly runs almost as powerfully with good leg drive low to the ground. Rice,
at 5'9 is very good at hiding behind the O-line and then bursting
through. They both look about around the same as far as
quickness, but I think Leonard is a little faster and a better pass
catcher. Interestingly Rice is ranked as the 4th best RB (nfldraftscout.com) for
next years draft class, so he is quite good. Leonard was formally
listed as the number 3 RB on NFLdraftscout.com for this years draft
class, but is know only listed as a FB...ridiculous. We just gotta hope
that Leonard can still run the 4.47 40 yard that he did in highschool
at the combine, even though he now weights 25 lbs. more. If not, I fear
the caste system will get him too. Leonard is averaging 4.8 yards a
carry this year without a lead blocker compared to Rice's 5.2 with
Leonard blocking.
Edited by: ToughJ.Riggins
Colonel_Reb
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Weekend of December 2</font>
Florida QB Tim Tebow 8 for 31
Rutgers RB Brian Leonard 4 for 8 with a TD and a 3 yard catch
West Virginia FB Owen Schmitt 4 for 9
Mount Union RB Nate Kmic 38 for 169
RB Greg Micheli 24 for 116 and 2 TDs
Montana RB Brady Green 6 for 12
CB/RB Tuff Harris 1 for 9
Air Force QB Jim Ollis 12 for 64 and a TD
RB Chad Hall 6 for 28
RB Chad Smith 1 for 7
UCLA RB Chane Moline 2 for 1
Louisville FB Brock Bolen 2 for 4 and a 5 yard TD catch
Delta State FB Ben Stallings 6 for 14 and a TD
QB Scott Eyster 3 runs for 41 yards including a 23 yard TD
North Dakota RB Ryan Chappell 10 for 75 yards
Grand Valley State QB Cullen Finnerty 16 for 100 on the ground
RB/WR Blake Smolen 2 for 7
Chadron State RB Danny Woodhead 10 for 79 yards and 2 TDs and 16 carries for 16 yards-Northwest Missouri held all rushers under 100 yards in the last 17 games. Danny Woodhead breaks the record for all purpose yardage in Division 2 and runs his TD total on the year to 38. The problem today was blocking, of which he had none. Chadron State goes down 28-21.
Southern Miss RB Conrad Chanove 10 for 56 and a 6 yard catch-I had almost forgotten about this kid who ran for 258 yards on 55 attempts for a 4.5 YPC average this season. He's also caught 9 passes for 51 yards and a TD.
Stanford RB Toby Gerhart 13 for 42 and 2 catches for 26 yards
Army RB Mike Viti 16 for 55 and 2 catches for 7 yards
FB Tim Frye 1 for 4
New Hampshire RB Chad Kackert 7 for 105 and a TD and a 7 yard catch
Navy RB Eric Kettani 15 for 68
RB Adam Ballard 2 for 10 before getting injured
RB Matt Hall 7 for 21
Ohio FB Mitch Morsillo 2 for 3
New Mexico State FB David Romaka 9 for 58 yards and 2 TDsEdited by: Colonel_Reb
Florida QB Tim Tebow 8 for 31
Rutgers RB Brian Leonard 4 for 8 with a TD and a 3 yard catch
West Virginia FB Owen Schmitt 4 for 9
Mount Union RB Nate Kmic 38 for 169
RB Greg Micheli 24 for 116 and 2 TDs
Montana RB Brady Green 6 for 12
CB/RB Tuff Harris 1 for 9
Air Force QB Jim Ollis 12 for 64 and a TD
RB Chad Hall 6 for 28
RB Chad Smith 1 for 7
UCLA RB Chane Moline 2 for 1
Louisville FB Brock Bolen 2 for 4 and a 5 yard TD catch
Delta State FB Ben Stallings 6 for 14 and a TD
QB Scott Eyster 3 runs for 41 yards including a 23 yard TD
North Dakota RB Ryan Chappell 10 for 75 yards
Grand Valley State QB Cullen Finnerty 16 for 100 on the ground
RB/WR Blake Smolen 2 for 7
Chadron State RB Danny Woodhead 10 for 79 yards and 2 TDs and 16 carries for 16 yards-Northwest Missouri held all rushers under 100 yards in the last 17 games. Danny Woodhead breaks the record for all purpose yardage in Division 2 and runs his TD total on the year to 38. The problem today was blocking, of which he had none. Chadron State goes down 28-21.
Southern Miss RB Conrad Chanove 10 for 56 and a 6 yard catch-I had almost forgotten about this kid who ran for 258 yards on 55 attempts for a 4.5 YPC average this season. He's also caught 9 passes for 51 yards and a TD.
Stanford RB Toby Gerhart 13 for 42 and 2 catches for 26 yards
Army RB Mike Viti 16 for 55 and 2 catches for 7 yards
FB Tim Frye 1 for 4
New Hampshire RB Chad Kackert 7 for 105 and a TD and a 7 yard catch
Navy RB Eric Kettani 15 for 68
RB Adam Ballard 2 for 10 before getting injured
RB Matt Hall 7 for 21
Ohio FB Mitch Morsillo 2 for 3
New Mexico State FB David Romaka 9 for 58 yards and 2 TDsEdited by: Colonel_Reb
Jimmy Chitwood
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Peyton Hillis is OUT for the SEC Championship game. rumor has it that he may have played his last game at Arkansas...
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