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Here is a long Wes Welker article. It states how most people doubted him.

[h=2]Wes Welker Has Spent Football Life Proving Doubters Wrong, From College Coaches to NFL Executives [/h] by Jeff Howe on Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 8:19AM 4

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FOXBORO, Mass. -- The layout surrounding the practice field on the southwest corner of the Gillette Stadium campus is different from the fields where Wes Welker's football roots have been sewn.
Yet, between the painted lines, the ones that signify the transformation between a lawn and a football playground, it's all the same for Welker. His work ethic has always been incredibly intense, and it's wowed his teammates and coaches through every step of his journey, from the powerhouse program at Heritage Hall High School in Oklahoma City all the way to the NFL's model franchise in New England.
It's been for the better, as his teammates at each level have raised their games to follow his lead, and his counterparts in the NFL have compared Welker's passion at practice to some of the best players in the league at nearly every position. And, if possible, it's been for the worse, as Welker was actually called out for going too hard at Pro Bowl practice, which is comical criticism.
It would, however, be a mistake to think Welker's success -- an NFL-record four 110-catch seasons, a league-high 122 receptions in 2011, four Pro Bowls selections, to name a few -- derives solely from the practice field. Yet, that's where his work begins. Welker has been counted out so many times that he doesn't understand the purpose of downshifting gears. The next second he lets up would be the first.
There was a classic scene during Welker's rookie season in 2004 when he was at training camp with the Chargers, and it's a sight that no one had ever seen happen anywhere else. Welker got fed up about not getting any reps at practice, so he took it upon himself to learn the plays in his own way. He'd hover behind the huddle, listen to the play call, walk 20 yards in the opposite direction and run the route by himself behind the play.
Everyone took notice -- how could you not? -- and eventually, the coaching staff gave Welker a chance to run those plays with some actual teammates. Welker was impressive and made the team out of training camp. For a week. He was released after the regular-season opener when the Chargers claimed safety Clinton Hart off waivers.
"I liked Wes a lot," Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers said. "Obviously, we hoped that he was going to be here a long time. It didn't happen."
It still stings Welker. But every time he's counted out, he proves another person wrong.
'We Like Him, But…'
Rod Warner awoke on signing day in 1999, which signified the conclusion of one of the most frustrating stretches in his 39 years as a football coach. Warner went to his office at Heritage Hall High School for a last-ditch effort to lock down a scholarship for his prized player, and sent out 105 faxes to Division I programs to let them know Welker was still very much available.
It was a maddening process for the head coach who had seen Welker accomplish just about everything imaginable during a high school football career. In four seasons, Welker had 3,235 rushing yards, 2,551 receiving yards, 90 total touchdowns, 22 interceptions, 10 fumble recoveries and set the school's tackling record. He also set a record with a 57-yard field goal and kicked a 42-yard, game-winning field goal in a playoff game.
There were a number of times when Welker would make a series of plays, which would be capped off by a touchdown -- a rushing score, an interception return, a punt return, you name it -- and he'd have to stay on the field to kick the extra point. As everyone lined up, Welker would take a step back, lift up his helmet and puke before driving the ball through the uprights.
"He never came off the field, and he never wanted to come off the field," Warner said.
Welker's talent actually created some hilarious exchanges, Warner noted. Heritage Hall was on the right side of a lot of blowouts, many of which were in hand in the second quarter, and Warner wanted to make sure they could still run some offensive plays, just to get the work in. So Warner would tell Welker to fair catch a punt out of fear that he'd just return another one for a touchdown. Welker hated the idea every time, so Warner would have to threaten to bench him for a series, and Warner recalled times when the two would be arguing with each other about the fair catch while the punt was still in the air.
Warner knew exactly what he had in Welker, but it was maddening to no end that college coaches refused to see the same thing. Welker's strong reputation made it so everyone needed to scout him, but the Division I coaches couldn't get past his size. They saw him make play after play, but they just couldn't get excited about a 5-foot-9, 185-pound frame with about 4.5-speed.
And then there were the camps, which were key in the recruiting process. The problem with those, though, was they played into the talents of the track stars. The helmets and the hitting took a backseat to the 40-yard dashes and games of two-hand touch. Welker's greatest talents as a ball carrier were his vision, anticipation and explosion through the hole, and the latter was the result of lateral quickness and awareness in space to break tackles. That stuff can't happen in two-hand touch.
That was the mistake -- they ignored his football ability because they weren't thrilled about him when his pads were off.
"It always frustrated me," Warner said. "It always frustrated me when coaches would come in and look at him, and they would watch film and say, 'Yeah, but I just wish he was 6-foot, or I wish he was a little taller.' They'd say, 'Well, if he's going to run that [speed], he needs to be 6-foot-2,' and I'm like, 'What?' Look at the film. He catches the pass or he returns the punt, and nobody catches him. How fast does he have to be?
"It was just frustrating for guys to come in here, and they would just 'Ooh and ah,' and 'Oh, my gosh, look at that play, and look at that play. Well, we're not going to offer him [a scholarship].' It was frustrating. At that point, it was like, what would it take?
"[Coaches] would kick the tires, and then they'd say maybe they could find somebody a little taller or a little bit faster, and then they wouldn't offer him [a scholarship]. And that's what really frustrated him, and his parents, and myself and our staff. They just wouldn't commit to him and believe in him, and he's had that problem his whole life. People just look at him and say, 'Really, you're an NFL player? Are you kidding me?'"
Welker never got a scholarship on signing day, but of Warner's 105 faxes, he got one lead from an old friend who was at Texas Tech, which believed it was about to lose one of its commitments.
But in case things didn't work out with Texas Tech, Warner broached the idea to Welker of signing with a Division II school, which could lead to something more promising down the road. Welker hated the logic and was convinced he could walk on somewhere -- Oklahoma State was an option -- and eventually make the team. But D-II? Might as well have been a four-letter word.
It never got to that, though. Texas Tech lost its player and invited Welker to work out the week after signing day. After the session, former Red Raiders head coach Mike Leach was finally convinced enough to offer him a scholarship. Leach, currently the Washington State head coach, had plenty of experience while scouting Welker, so that final workout was basically a formality.
"It was kind of tough to pull the trigger," Leach said. "When you watch his film, [Welker made] one play after the next. He's not real tall. He's not real fast. But he'd make play after play after play, and you'd say, 'Boy, that's a great play. If only he was bigger. Wow, what a great play. If only he was faster. Wow, he's a great high school football player. Oh, there's another one [somewhere else]. Well, he's real productive. If only he was bigger and faster. Well, look at this, but I don't know if he can make the transition.'"
The Natural
It took one team meeting for Leach to recognize something was different about Welker. Every year, Texas Tech would introduce its freshmen by standing them in front of the upperclassmen and having them each say their name, hometown and position, among other things. Welker stood out in more ways than one.
"The biggest foreshadowing of [Welker's success] would be the first meeting when we had the freshmen in there," Leach said. "We've got these guys who are all-state, all-conference, they look like Greek gods. Some of them have really good track times. Then you have Wes Welker sitting there who is shorter than all of them. Some of those other guys are looking down, there's a certain amount of doubt in their eye. They're not sure. They're a little overwhelmed by college. This guy has his head high, this glare and look in his eye, total confidence. And just reading his face, you could tell there was no doubt in his mind that he was better than all of these guys. He was literally fearless and confident."
Welker was the starting punt returner and a backup receiver in his first game as a freshman, but he was the Red Raiders' featured slot receiver by the third game of his career. And the success never trailed off, as he set school records with 259 career receptions, 3,069 yards and 21 touchdowns, and he set NCAA records with 1,761 punt return yards and eight touchdowns. Welker also rushed for 559 yards and one score.
He was so good at everything he did, both on and off the field, that everyone in the program called him "The Natural," a nickname Welker still redeems. There were the stories about him on the basketball court and in a one-arm pull-up contest that rivaled his highlights on game days.
But after four years, the questions from the next level reemerged. Texas Tech's air-raid offense was conducive to some big-time stats, but Welker really started to emerge as a quality receiver during his time in Lubbock. What he lacked in straight-line speed, he made up for with his first three steps, which were as quick and explosive as anyone's.
Welker also began learning how to set up his routes. He can run one route four, five, six different ways, but he's always in position to catch the pass at the exact second when the quarterback wants to deliver the ball. Aside from that level of athleticism, it makes him more difficult to defend because of his unpredictability in the eyes of an opponent.
Still, he wasn't very highly regarded through the draft process. It was all of the typical stuff about his size and speed, but in 2004, spread offenses that relied on slot receivers weren't as prevalent as they've become in 2011, which also reduced the market for Welker's services. Leach's coaching staff was split over Welker's potential in the 2004 draft.
"I didn't think he'd get drafted," Leach said. "I thought if he got the right situation, he would make it, and he would excel. Then, once he made it, I thought he would excel, and he's done all of those things. I'm not prepared to say I was sure he'd be All-Pro."
Remember Warner's notion about playing Division II football? Yeah, well, Welker had the same type of response when Warner went over his potential avenues if things didn't work out in the NFL.
"He just looked at me," Warner recalled, "and said, 'Coach, it will work out. I will make it work out. I am going to play in the NFL, and that's it.' So there was never, for him, a Plan B. He never envisioned himself playing anywhere but the NFL, and he was going to make it happen no matter what it took."
Leach recognized the same attitude.
"It's almost like [Welker] expected it. I don't think he was really that surprised he didn't get drafted," Leach said. "He expected to make it and be a professional football player, but I don't think he was even that shocked that he didn't get drafted because he's always had a pretty realistic view. There was no doubt in his mind he could whip all of those guys, realistic or otherwise. Now, evidently, it's pretty realistic. I think he's come to expect it. Keep in mind, starting with high school and college and the rest, he's kind of used to that routine."
'Biggest Mistake Ever Made'
Marty Schottenheimer, the first NFL head coach to give Welker a chance, had an opportunity to catch up with the wide receiver in November prior to the Patriots' Week 10 victory against the Jets. As Welker's story has unfolded, Schottenheimer has also become known as the only NFL head coach to cut the slot receiver.
Don't think it doesn't still haunt him.
"I walked over," Schottenheimer said, "and said to him, and this is the truth, I said, 'Of all the players I've been involved in releasing, the decision to release you was the biggest mistake ever made that at least involved myself.' He kind of chuckled about it. Obviously, he's been a tremendous, tremendous performer. He's a classic example of great things coming in small packages.
"Every time I think of Wes, the first thought that comes to my mind is, 'I'm not very smart.'"
Welker watched the 2004 draft at home with his family and Warner, and when it concluded, he received a number of calls from teams that were interested in signing him as a free agent. Welker ultimately chose the Chargers and, by all accounts, had a great training camp, especially once he was called to run plays with the offense.
But Schottenheimer said the Chargers had a series of injuries and needed to shuffle the bottom of the roster to field enough players in Week 2, which led to the transaction he'll never live down. The Chargers claimed Hart off waivers from the Eagles and released Welker, who was flat-out ticked about getting cut after such a strong summer.
Schottenheimer wanted to add Welker to the practice squad, but Welker had no interest in returning to the team that he felt spurned by. Plus, the Dolphins offered him more money and a bigger opportunity to work his way up the depth chart.
"If we could look into the future as it were, we would have hoped that he would have been a part of Chargers history," Schottenheimer said. "But that's 20-20 hindsight. If you'd ask me if I could do it all over again, would we have [cut Welker]? Absolutely not.
"Of all the people I was involved in letting go -- and I can't really remember many others -- but I can guarantee you one guy I will never forget is Wes Welker. He has a unique ability."
The Dolphins, too, gave up on Welker in 2007, but the circumstances were different. He was a restricted free agent who drew serious interest from the Patriots, who would have had to surrender a second-round draft pick to sign him. But the Patriots knew the Dolphins had the rights to match the contract and retain him, while the Dolphins were equally fearful the Patriots would bowl him over with a contract they weren't financially prepared to match.
It was a gamble for both sides, so they compromised with a trade. New England forked over a second- and seventh-round pick in the 2007 draft to land Welker, whose career was set to skyrocket. The Dolphins, meanwhile, used the picks to draft center Samson Satele, who had two very good seasons before getting traded to the Raiders, and defensive end Abraham Wright, who never panned out.
History of Regret
Welker has a lifetime of experience in proving people wrong. Just look at the 104 faxes that weren't returned to Warner, or the 255 draft picks in 2004 that were used on other players, including 32 wide receivers (aside from Larry Fitzgerald, there isn't another wideout from the class who is anywhere near Welker's echelon).
The next step in Welker's career will unfold in the coming months, as the 30-year-old is in position to earn the most significant payday of his life when his contract expires after this season. The Patriots could use the franchise tag to pay Welker about $9 million in 2012, or they could work out a long-term extension that could pay him an estimated $10 million per season, which would be a reward for grossly outplaying his $2.15 million base salary this season.
Welker, a Pro Bowler for the fourth consecutive season, just led the NFL in receptions for the third time in the last five years, and he was on fire all season. After tearing his ACL in the 2009 regular-season finale, Welker clearly wasn't back to full strength in 2010, but those close to him said he worked out harder than ever last offseason with his contract year in mind. He was undoubtedly motivated by it.
Welker wanted to prove two things -- that the knee injury wasn't going to derail his career, and that he deserved this upcoming contract. With career highs of 1,569 receiving yards and nine touchdowns, Welker accomplished both goals.
Yet the contract has never been a distraction this season. Numerous teammates say Welker hasn't ever brought it up, and he doesn't discuss it with the media much, either, simply noting he wants to remain in New England and will let his agent handle the business dealings.
That type of professionalism is admirable in this era, especially with Welker, who has proven to be indispensable to the Patriots' offense. Then again, Welker has been forced to learn one hard football lesson after another, so he's become numb to the doubters. At this point, Welker has grown to know things will work out in his favor, both on the field and in the negotiating room.
He's too small? Too slow? The knee? He's 30? Those aren't Welker's problems. They belong to everyone else.
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Nice story. Not surprisingly, though, is that the writer seems oblivious to the obvious. "Too short", "too small", "not fast enough" are the "reasons" given for Welker not being recruited or drafted, when it has been documented here many times that NONE of those "deficiencies" apply to black recruits. Just take a look at the current Rivals top 100 recievers. You will find many 3-star-and-better "playas" that are shorter, smaller, and "slower" than Welker was/is and they have no shortage of offers and endless accolades.

It would be nice to see a mainstream writer simply open their eyes, grow some balls, and state what is clear, IT'S BECAUSE WELKER IS WHITE.
 

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Great stuff! Welker is by far the best WR in the NFL. Im thrilled for the season he had, but still a bit bummed about him not breaking Rice single season yardage record.
He could have done it for sure, but against the Jets, and Dallas in weeks 5, and 6 Brady ignored Wes unless it was 3rd down, and they had to get a 1st. Then after a bye week it was the same thing against Pittsburgh. Wes was Bradys' 3rd or even 4th read unless it was 3rd down. At home against the Giants Wes had another "Welker-like" game, but it came in a losing effort, because they didnt get it to him early enough. Then in Ny vs. the Jets I watched him on every snap he was in the game, and he was open constantly. Revis was holding him badly everytime he was the one sticking him. On several plays Id see Wes fire off on his route, and cut while his jersey was being pulled by a clinched fist. Evidently this is not a penalty if the WR is White. Against KC he had 3 targets for 2 catches, and 22 yards. They won the game so whatever, but damn. THREE targets? Did Jerry Rice EVER play in a game where he was targeted less than 5 times? Thats disrespectful to the best non QB offensive player in the NFL!
 

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Congratulations to Wes as he has just gotten engaged to marry his girlfriend of 2 years, Anna Burns.

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I wonder what would have happened had the Chargers kept Wes and really started using him alot. I'm sure Rivers has wondered about this too.
 

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Welker isn't a true #1, and the Pats organization knows it. Also, he has lost a step and is losing durability. They know they need a dominant flanker in order to keep defenses' honest, and they will target that in the upcoming Draft.
 

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Welker isn't a true #1, and the Pats organization knows it. Also, he has lost a step and is losing durability. They know they need a dominant flanker in order to keep defenses' honest, and they will target that in the upcoming Draft.

has he really? he was quicker and more dominant this year than ever? he's only 31, and extremely well preserved at that... he was also on pace to shatter all receiving records this season, which is NOT a sign of slowing down or losing a step!

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has he really? he was quicker and more dominant this year than ever? he's only 31, and extremely well preserved at that... he was also on pace to shatter all receiving records this season, which is NOT a sign of slowing down or losing a step!

:tinfoil3:

Looking at how both New England and NY had limped into the Super Bowl from Championship weekend (performance-wise), and many people seeing that NY should have easily lost to San Fran at San Fran, this caused Vegas to favor New England in the Super Bowl!

The Super Bowl commences, and Eli's lackluster Championship weekend performance is followed by a dink-fest Super Bowl.. again, this gave New England life. Drew Brees wouldn't have dinked in the Super Bowl (everyone knows this), and he would have scored more than 21 against the Pats.

BTW, if Welker escapes blame from you, are you ready to join my "Brady is Finished" club?! After escaping from an opportunistic Ravens' defense with a W, he had his best chance at another ring this year and failed.. would he have failed against a team like San Fran, too? That would have been an interesting game - for sure - but it likely would have produced the same result.
 

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Hes not a true number 1, but he doesn't need to be, he is a hybrid, like I have mentioned a receiver/runningback, many of his catches are just extended handoffs. Like a Westbrook or Marshall Faulk without getting handoffs out of the backfield. The media will never aknowledge this because then it opens up the door for "what if they did give him handoffs?". He does have the ability to run regular routes and does well at that, the only thing he lacks is the wingspan to go up and catch some of those redzone targets/stuff in traffic because he is 5'9 and doesn't have the vertical of Steve Smith. They have Gronkowski to keep defenses honest as well as other guys who work well in the system.

Look at the Saints, who is their number 1? Colston is slow and Jimmy Graham got the most targets, Darren Sproles had 86 catches (this is what the Patriots should take note of and use Woodhead the same way). Both threw for 5,000 yards and for 40 tds and your saying their systems are broken?

And the first time Brees threw for 5k Lance Moore was his number 1 and he is smaller/slower than Welker.


2011 122 catches 1569 yards 12.9 ypc 9 tds, long of 99, 21 plays of 20+ yards 732 yac
2010
86 catches 848 yards 9.9 ypc 7 tds 35 long 6+ 20 yard plays 411 yac
2009 123 castches 1348 yards 11 ypc 4 td long 58, 8+ 20 yard plays 709 yac
2008 111 catches 1165 10.5 3 tds 64 long, 13 20+ yard plays 751 yac
2007 112 catches 1175 yards 10.5 8 tds long 42, 18 plays of 20+ yards

if anything he is getting better, the most 20+ yard plays from scrimmage in his career and still had a little under half of his yards come after the catch.

He and Gronkowski combined for 43 20+ yard plays to go along with 26 tds. Add in Hernandez then thats 53 plays of 20+ yards and 33 tds. I don't think it needs to be fixed. The 2 guys that the Saints have to "keep defenses honest" had a combined total of 15 plays over 20 yards and 8 tds.


Looking at how both New England and NY had limped into the Super Bowl from Championship weekend (performance-wise), and many people seeing that NY should have easily lost to San Fran at San Fran, this caused Vegas to favor New England in the Super Bowl!

The Super Bowl commences, and Eli's lackluster Championship weekend performance is followed by a dink-fest Super Bowl.. again, this gave New England life. Drew Brees wouldn't have dinked in the Super Bowl (everyone knows this), and he would have scored more than 21 against the Pats.

Hilarious.

Brees would have dinked away in the Superbowl, taking what the defense gives him. If you think otherwise then you haven't watched much of the Saints. They dink and dunk to death and throw a deep bomb every once in a while. They don't have a true number 1 receiver, just a guy to stretch defenses every now and then. I believe Graham and Sproles had the most targets and most of those were dinks and dunks. Your talking about the same Drew that choked against the Bears in 2006 and played like absolute crap in 2007 and it wasn't until 2009 that his play was elite imo. Players can come back.

Brady is still young for a White qb, plenty of qbs older than him have won. Obviously something wasn't right with him this season (well as the season went on, noticeable in the playoffs), his left shoulder was bothering him and I know he has had other injuries in the past that have been nagging him for a while. He could be addicted to painkillers for all I know. I know it deteriorated my play, you start taking extra thinking you can do better because you feel better, espescially in championship games, but then you wind up playing like crap, embarrased myself in quarterfinals, much worse than Brady's performance. Favre had the same problem and came back from it, anyone who thinks that these players aren't taking pain pills is naive, especially with his shoulder bothering him. It may be something else, his wife asked people to pray for him so something is going on in his life. The last time he lost the Superbowl, he put them ahead with around 2 minutes left in the game. That was luck/fail of defense for the loss. Otherwise he would have 4 rings.

Drew Brees had TWO tds in his Superbowl win against the Colts, a dump off to Pierre Thomas that he took 16 yards and a 2 yard pass to Jeremy Shockey. Hartley hit 3 field goals over 44 yards and Tracy Porter had a 74 yard interception. He dinked away with only 2 passes going over 20 yards, a 21 yarder and a 27 yarder both had yac to get over 20 and came on the same drive which ended with no points, end of 2nd half, they got the yac because the Colts were playing to stop the deep pass, he took what the d gave him. That doesn't take away from his greatness. Both players are elite, players play their top game in the Superbowl and its not as easy as you think to throw bombs, you take what the d gives you.

What Brees did in the regular season against the Giants has no relevance to what happens in a Superbowl or even playoffs. His two biggest passes in the playoffs against San Fran were 66 yards to Graham, 42 coming after the catch and a 44 yarder to Sproles, 37 yards coming after the catch.

had Gronk been healthy and Woodhead would have been used in the 2nd half it would probably be a similar story. Gronk with some big plays and Welker with some big plays, hell they didn't even need a healthy Gronk, had they used Woodhead in the 2nd half he would have probably busted off a big play to go along with his 10+ yard plays.
 
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Welker can still be a Patriot, but he'll be the #3.

I was contrasting Brees and Eli, and it's no contest.. Brees lit up San Fran in the 2nd half of the Divisional playoffs, using his quick-release and pocket presence, and Eli was less-than-special against San Fran on Championship weekend. His Giants' defense, and a series of huge mistakes by San Fran "gifted" NY the win.

Some will say, "Oh, but Eli was knocked around".. what of it? Brees' was pressured a lot by San Fran, but he got BETTER as the game went on. San Fran's offense really choked badly; The NINERS' D had Eli truly rattled. And, another point I was making was, why didn't Eli "light-up" the Pats bad defense???

I am a poster that believes that REAL defense can be played, and we witnessed a good deal of that on Championship weekend and in the Super Bowl, but there's also such a thing as offensive ineptness.. and we witnessed some of that -- too! The San Fran offense choked at home, and the Pats offense came up small on the Biggest Stage.
 
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like I said, Drew's two biggest passes, most of the yards came after the catch against San Fran. How did we go from comparing Brady to Brees to Eli to Brees on a Wes Welker thread? I thought this was about Brady needing someone to keep "defenses honest". Brees dinked and dunked the entire Superbowl he played in. Eli didn't light up the Pats D because they played soft coverages keeping everything in front of them, not allowing the big play, causing long time consuming drives. He still had close to 300 yards. The Patriots defense got better toward the end of the season anyway.

and why does Welker have to be "#3"? That term is outdated and makes it sound like he will be the 3rd best receiver. He is going to catch 100 passes (or close to it) regardless of what you call him. They line him up all over the place to get mismatches which is how football is now. Football is no longer "this guy is number 1, he will line up here and these are the routes he will run, this guy is number 2 and he will line up here and run these routes and this guy is number 3 and will run the shallow stuff". They used him on the outside and the slot the season and he did great. They do the same with Gronk/Hernandez. This is exactly how the Saints run their offense. Colston isn't a true number 1, he lines up all over the place to cause mismatches, as well as Lance Moore and Jimmy Graham.

You think they should have someone to keep defenses honest? Gronkowski did a fine job. Are you using code for speed (even though the two combined had over 40 20+ yard plays)? Why not run Woodhead on some deep routes when he is lined up in the slot, he is a fast guy, or stuff like wheel routes when he is in the backfield? There is also Edelman who is a 4.4 guy, he wouldn't have a problem going deep.

Unless you are trying to say they need more "affletes". Thats what it sounds like you are trying to get at because there aren't any true number 1 White receivers in this draft. Last year they had Durham, the year before they had Cooper, but this year they don't, at least not anyone I am aware of, they are all slot guys. Why does it have to be the draft? Why not trade for someone? They have a ton of picks... Jordy Nelson isn't making what he should be making and would be on the field for a majority of the snaps, he could replace Branch who can't even take advantage of the single coverage. Or they can trade a late pick for Austin Collie, he can stretch defenses and be used in his true role and no longer have to worry about running every route across the middle which will decrease the chance of a concussion.

Edit: actually nevermind, they have Tyler Shoemaker 6'2 and 4.4 speed, would you agree to that, or do you think he a number 3 receiver at best like Welker?

Why didn't you say that they needed this last year when they lost Moss and Welker came off his knee injury and had his worst season since being a Patriot? Why now after his best year in every category with the offense running great? Because of two games where Brady wasn't perfect? Gronkowski got injured. You take away Jimmy Graham from Brees in the playoffs when he isn't prepared then his play would have dropped too. They had the right idea by using Woodhead in the passing game but then went away from it, and never tried to establish a running game. Which is why Gronkowski is even more important, because of his run blocking, you can't tell if they are going to play smash mouth football or send everyone running routes in a two tight end set. The Patriots offense stalling is mostly Bellichecks fault. They were building on something in the first half and went away from it. Not to mention they were backed up in their own endzone at least 3 times, the punter should have gotten some credit for this game.

Welker had his best year and has at LEAST 3 years of elite play left in him. 21 plays of over 20 yards is the most he has had in ANY season.

The only thing they really need is someone who can take advantage of single coverage to replace Branch, and they have that in Edelman. They keep trying to use him in a short underneath role when he could be a big play guy, hes made big plays in the return game. I don't know why they keep trying to get guys like Matt Slater to fill the role.
 
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Welker isn't a true #1, and the Pats organization knows it. Also, he has lost a step and is losing durability. They know they need a dominant flanker in order to keep defenses' honest, and they will target that in the upcoming Draft.

You think that Welker “lost a step” this season? How do you explain these highlights…

[video=youtube;bg01TtmN3ok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg01TtmN3ok  [/video]

He’s also “losing durability” in your eyes, despite the fact that he played in all 16 regular season games this season, and all three playoff games.

He hasn’t the ability of a “dominant flanker,” yet if it wasn't for Calvin Johnson’s 250+ yard performance in the final week, his 1,569 yards would’ve lead the NFL in yardage. Some of his longest catches this season were for 99-yards, 73-yards, 42-yards, and 41-yards. How do you explain those?

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BTW, if Welker escapes blame from you, are you ready to join my "Brady is Finished" club?! After escaping from an opportunistic Ravens' defense with a W, he had his best chance at another ring this year and failed.. would he have failed against a team like San Fran, too? That would have been an interesting game - for sure - but it likely would have produced the same result.

Right, “Brady is finished,” yet he just passed for 5,000-yards, had a 13-3 record, and was a few plays from winning this year’s Super Bowl. In fact, Brady is inches away from being a 5-time Superbowl winning QB, as both losses against the Giants were incredibly close. The Giants certainly did deserve both wins, however. If that constitutes a quarterback being “finished,” then I’m sure countless other NFL quarterbacks, including the undeniably-great Drew Brees, would kill to be “finished.” As much as it pains you (for whatever reason) to admit it, the Patriots are quality club with a diverse offense that isn’t going to relinquish its greatness so easily.

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Drew Brees wouldn't have dinked in the Super Bowl (everyone knows this), and he would have scored more than 21 against the Pats.

Right, but Brees’ team didn’t make the Super Bowl (thank God), because they were 1-and-done, just like in 2010 playoffs. Your statement reads like a “prediction.” Weren’t you the guy who boldly “predicted” that the Broncos would defeat New England in the Divisional Playoffs?

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and the Pats offense came up small on the Biggest Stage

Yeah, no kidding, genius, and many thanks for the reminder.

I would've loved to see Welker, Woodhead, Edelman, Gronkowski, or Brady holding that Super Bowl MVP trophy and winning that new car…but it was not to be.
 

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Welker just had his BEST season and he will continue to be a dominant slot WR (which is the #1 WR in the Pats offense) for at least 5 more years!

Brady loves WW so I doubt the Pats don't bring him back. What the Pats need is to let Ocho go and get a Nelson type WR to replace him. Matt Jones would've done MUCH better than Ocho this year if he was given the chance...

They also need to drastically improve their defense!
 

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I would love the Pats to add Riley Cooper to the mix.
He is big, fast, and strong.
Can be the outside deep threat.

He is very underused in Phily, although he's done very well when given the chance.
Other than that, the Pats need to build their defense.
 

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When regular CF posters can make the incredible statement that the league's leader in receptions is no better than the #3 WR on his OWN team, I think it illustrates the extent of the problem we face in overturning the Caste System.

We've all heard the mantra about certain WRs not being "true number ones." What does that even mean? What constitutes a "true #1 WR?" By their own definition, the "legendary" Chris Carter didn't qualify, as he was the #2 guy on virtually every team he ever played on. Maybe Welker doesn't have that #1 look, huh? Who was the "#1" guy on the old Raiders' teams- Branch or Biletnikoff? How about the Packers- was it Dowler or Dale? The Steelers had Swann and Stallworth- which one was the "#1?" Right now, the Cowboys have both Miles Austin and Dez Bryant- aren't both of those guys considered "true #1s?"

If the kind of production Welker has delivered doesn't guarantee him the label of "#1" WR for life, what would? Can any white WR ever meet these unspecified qualifications for a "true #1?" The entire "#1" WR nonsense has been engineered over the past twenty years or so, and has resulted in tons of undeserved hype and praise for Keyshawn Johnson, Michael Westbrook, David Boston and many other affletes who were fortunate enough to fit the unexplainable criteria for the job.
 

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bigunreal,

Coach Bill Parcells once took off a Rolex watch at practice and said to Keyshawn Johnson, "I'd let you hold this, but I'm afraid you'd drop it."

Tom Iron...
 

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When regular CF posters can make the incredible statement that the league's leader in receptions is no better than the #3 WR on his OWN team, I think it illustrates the extent of the problem we face in overturning the Caste System.

We've all heard the mantra about certain WRs not being "true number ones." What does that even mean? What constitutes a "true #1 WR?" By their own definition, the "legendary" Chris Carter didn't qualify, as he was the #2 guy on virtually every team he ever played on. Maybe Welker doesn't have that #1 look, huh? Who was the "#1" guy on the old Raiders' teams- Branch or Biletnikoff? How about the Packers- was it Dowler or Dale? The Steelers had Swann and Stallworth- which one was the "#1?" Right now, the Cowboys have both Miles Austin and Dez Bryant- aren't both of those guys considered "true #1s?"

If the kind of production Welker has delivered doesn't guarantee him the label of "#1" WR for life, what would? Can any white WR ever meet these unspecified qualifications for a "true #1?" The entire "#1" WR nonsense has been engineered over the past twenty years or so, and has resulted in tons of undeserved hype and praise for Keyshawn Johnson, Michael Westbrook, David Boston and many other affletes who were fortunate enough to fit the unexplainable criteria for the job.

That's only one poster that I'm aware of with this opinion and it's someone whose posts have changed noticeably over the past year to reflect a number of negative opinions about White athletes.
 

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Looking at how both New England and NY had limped into the Super Bowl from Championship weekend (performance-wise), and many people seeing that NY should have easily lost to San Fran at San Fran, this caused Vegas to favor New England in the Super Bowl! The Super Bowl commences, and Eli's lackluster Championship weekend performance is followed by a dink-fest Super Bowl.. again, this gave New England life. Drew Brees wouldn't have dinked in the Super Bowl (everyone knows this), and he would have scored more than 21 against the Pats.BTW, if Welker escapes blame from you, are you ready to join my "Brady is Finished" club?! After escaping from an opportunistic Ravens' defense with a W, he had his best chance at another ring this year and failed.. would he have failed against a team like San Fran, too? That would have been an interesting game - for sure - but it likely would have produced the same result.
Man, you are really on a roll! In a single post, you manage to denigrate 3 White players, which I don't believe I have ever seen here at CF or in any MSM piece, for that matter. And not just any group of White players, either. One just won his second SB, established himself as an elite and most clutch QB in the NFL, and is most likely headed to the HOF. The other, the one who's "finished", has already won 3 SBs, came within 4 points and a couple of completions of winning his 4th on a team which he mostly carried all year due to that lousy defense, and is a first ballot HOF'er. Lastly we have Welker, the "#3 WR" who played in all 19 games this year, led the league in receptions and nearly yards, and at 31, looks to be in the best shape of his life. I have no clue what standards or criteria you use to judge players, but you are so wrong in your analysis that I'm tempted to believe someone has hijacked your account and is making these utterly bogus anti-White posts.
 

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Man, you are really on a roll! In a single post, you manage to denigrate 3 White players, which I don't believe I have ever seen here at CF or in any MSM piece, for that matter. And not just any group of White players, either. One just won his second SB, established himself as an elite and most clutch QB in the NFL, and is most likely headed to the HOF. The other, the one who's "finished", has already won 3 SBs, came within 4 points and a couple of completions of winning his 4th on a team which he mostly carried all year due to that lousy defense, and is a first ballot HOF'er. Lastly we have Welker, the "#3 WR" who played in all 19 games this year, led the league in receptions and nearly yards, and at 31, looks to be in the best shape of his life. I have no clue what standards or criteria you use to judge players, but you are so wrong in your analysis that I'm tempted to believe someone has hijacked your account and is making these utterly bogus anti-White posts.

The NYG defeated New England? Tom Coughlin, with his physical/traditional brand of football, bested Belichick.. who simply decides to do whatever the heck he wants on any given Sunday? I'm shocked at this news! Boy, was Vegas wrong!

I guess establishing the run and fielding an athletic d-line is still relevant in today's NFL. Aww shucks. Thanks for this news! I'll send an email to the Pack and Pats right away.. what are they thinking with Raji, Pickett.. and Wilfork and company? They need to fix those leaks. Yeah, man, and the Giants used their time-tested formula to defeat both of those favored teams. No one is trying to take away this Giants' Super Bowl win, but some folk won't ever consider this to be an "all-time great" Super Bowl. A close final-score does not automatically make it legendary. I hope next year's dance has more excitement and a bit more scoring.

As for this Brady fellow, he had Randy Moss before, and I'm certain he wants another deep-threat WR. There's word out there that he does want this. New England doesn't just have to reach the Super Bowl.. they have to show the world that they can win another one. Upgrades are necessary. Few NFC teams' that reach the Super Bowl are going to shrink on the stage. Just look at the history of the past 30 years.
 

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As for this Brady fellow, he had Randy Moss before, and I'm certain he wants another deep-threat WR. There's word out there that he does want this. New England doesn't just have to reach the Super Bowl.. they have to show the world that they can win another one. Upgrades are necessary. Few NFC teams' that reach the Super Bowl are going to shrink on the stage. Just look at the history of the past 30 years.


Do these clarifications imply that you’re officially “back-tracking” from your observations about Welker “losing a step,” “losing durability,” how he’s not a “dominant flanker,” how he’s not a “true #1” and that he should be demoted to the Patriots’ “#3” receiver?

You know, the most ironic portion of your “Anti-Welker” arguments is the fact that every insult you lobbed at Wes would be an appropriate critique of former 1[SUP]st[/SUP] round draft pick, Deion Branch. Branch is the player who’s “lost a step” in terms of straight-line speed and quickness (what little he had before signing with Seattle), the player who has missed some time this season (and many other seasons) with injuries, the player who should be a “#3 receiver,” and the player who’s far from a dominant, field-stretching flanker. Branch’s physical and athletic limitations are veiled by his great on-field rapport with Brady, his veteran football IQ, his route-running, and his ability to find holes in the defense during busted plays. His 2011 campaign was far from sterling, but he played his role well enough. New England didn’t win the Superbowl with Randy Moss on their team, either.

Honestly, you don’t seem to know very much about the Patriots and it doesn’t seem as though you’ve seen many of their games this season. Some of us here (including me) have seen every single play of every single game this season, either on TV or via internet streams.

Also, you don't seem as infatuated with New England's ultra-white offense as much as you are the Bears' and Giants' swarthy defensive lines, the comeback ability of the Jets (or, as you call them, the “MAGIC JETS!”) and Sean Payton's one-and-done (two years in a row) New Orleans-based Chocolate Factory.

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I guess establishing the run and fielding an athletic d-line is still relevant in today's NFL. Aww shucks. Thanks for this news!

Where did this random comment even come from? I’m not really sure what you’re attempting to sarcastically respond to. It’s not as if anyone here claimed that New England shouldn’t establish the run or field non-obese defensive lines.
 
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When regular CF posters can make the incredible statement that the league's leader in receptions is no better than the #3 WR on his OWN team, I think it illustrates the extent of the problem we face in overturning the Caste System.

We've all heard the mantra about certain WRs not being "true number ones." What does that even mean? What constitutes a "true #1 WR?" By their own definition, the "legendary" Chris Carter didn't qualify, as he was the #2 guy on virtually every team he ever played on. Maybe Welker doesn't have that #1 look, huh?

If the kind of production Welker has delivered doesn't guarantee him the label of "#1" WR for life, what would? Can any white WR ever meet these unspecified qualifications for a "true #1?" The entire "#1" WR nonsense has been engineered over the past twenty years or so, and has resulted in tons of undeserved hype and praise for Keyshawn Johnson, Michael Westbrook, David Boston and many other affletes who were fortunate enough to fit the unexplainable criteria for the job.
Thats what I was getting at, the whole term number 1 receiver is old and doesn't apply to the way football is played now. Welker can play all of the receiver spots .The reason why I say he isn't a "true" number 1 wide receiver is because he is used in the slot alot on extended handoffs, the dreaded "slot receiver" role which gets no credit. The slot guy no longer runs the same route across the middle and gets creamed by the safety, they find ways to get him in space to get yards after the catch. So if this were 1995 playing mostly in the slot wouldn't qualify him as a "true number 1", but in this day and age, he is a number 1 receiver.

For the most part, Welker is no different than the way Westbrook was used as receiver out of the backfield, except he ran them from out of the backfield. Marshall Faulk was used quite a bit as a receiver too, lined up in the slot quite a bit. I read Bellicheck's book and he was obsessed with Faulk when they played the Rams in the Superbowl, saying that he was the key to their offense, and that he wanted a player like that on his offense.

It looks like Bellicheck expanded the idea of this role and created a hybrid receiver/slotback. A guy that was used on extended handoffs relying on yac like Marshall Faulk but also ran routes like a regular flanker. Even though many routes aren't long, it still takes great hands to catch them and there are times when you put yourself in danger of a big hit. Before Welker teams didn't focus so much on the slot receiver position as much as they do now, the slot role is a focal point in many offenses now, and nobody has been able to duplicate the success of Welker even with "real athletes" like Percy Harvin playing the position (yes Percy is a slot guy, and like Welker a hybrid receiver/slotback) as well as Davone Bess. Back when guys like Don Beebe and Tim Dwight played teams didn't run 3 receiver sets for a majority of the game.

People say well Welker goes against safeties and linebackers so of course he is going to get open, well runningbacks go against them too and they aren't discredited, not to mention we have seen the rise of the nickel back and teams try to develop them to be just as good as guys covering outside receivers.

This year was different though, he often faced a team's number 1 corner (remember Revis covering him for most of the game?)

This is the best way to use him, line him up all over the field to create mismatches. It would be stupid to use him in a role where he lines up in the same spot on the outside. He has a different skillset than say someone like Jordy Nelson, who can also play all of the receiver spots, mainly because they forced him into the slot for his first few years but he does best going vertical and playing physical on the outside.

I know certain teams take a different approach like Mike Leach and the way he used Welker in college. You have the x receiver and hes going to run these routes, you have the y receiver hes going to run these routes and so on and no player is interchangeable. Welker led the team in receiving at one spot, and a few years later Crabtree led the team in another spot. The idea is the ball finds the playmakers.

The number 1 receiver should be the guy that gets the ball the most. The Saints have the same approach as the Patriots, no "true number 1" in the old sense. Colston lines up all over the place to find mismatches, as well as Jimmy Graham.

I guess it comes down to Welker not having elite top end speed to stretch defenses vertically, but there are a ton of guys that don't have elite top end speed and stretch defenses, yes most of those guys are bigger and more physical like Larry Fitzgerald and Welker doesn't have the height to go up and challenge for a poorly thrown jump ball like a Steve Smith. However there are things that Welker can do that Smith can't and he was able to stretch defenses, he had 21 plays over 20 yards, the most in his career. Kevin Curtis was a guy that could go up and catch a deep ball and had the speed to stretch defenses and wasn't considered a "true number one receiver". Then you have guys like DeSean Jackson, he has a nice vertical but he isn't going to be physical and challenge for a jump ball, he also is afraid to get hit, is he a number 1 receiver?

Welker is basically a runningback playing the wide receiver position, he is built like a runningback the way his frame is, go look at his shoulders, its built to withstand punishment, he gets close to 170 targets per year runs great routes,has great quickness. If he were at runningback his career would have been no different than Brian Westbrook, but he is doing even better in the role he has.


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The bottom line the fact that Brady MIGHT want a deep threat doesn't make Welker a number 3 receiver. The number 1 receiver is a guy that can do it all and who the qb looks to the most, the offense runs through Welker and that won't change, if they draft a deep threat he isn't going to be the number 1 receiver. The Saints have guys like Meachem (1st rounder) and Henderson to be the deep threats but Colston is the NUMBER 1 receiver and those guys barely get any targets, they run the offense through Colston, Graham and Sproles, all had over 100 targets, none have elite speed except Sproles and he didn't have one single play from scrimmage that went for 40 yards or more. The Patriots have Welker, Gronkowski and Hernadez, all have 100 targets. They should have given Woodhead 100 targets instead of Hernandez.

If Gronkowski isn't injured, we probably aren't having this conversation.



Your love of great defense and their "athletic front 4" is quite different from your love of the Saints saying they would have gotten it done and scored more than 21 points. They have a horrible defense, it hasn't been good since 2009, they have a terrible front 4 and rely on blitzing, the only difference in 09 was creating turnovers.

as far as the Giants establishing the run, the Patriots ran the ball more this year and had more rushing yards than the Giants. Manning carried the team, the defense wasn't that great during the regular season.

And if this front 4 is so great, a deep threat wouldn't have mattered because Brady wouldn't have had time to let deep routes develop, back in the 2007 Superbowl it was Welker that got 11 catches and his biggest reception went longer than Moss. The front 4 looked better because Brady had a hurt ankle and couldn't move around. He avoided pressure quite a bit in this game, he just made some poor throws.

and if they need a deep threat so badly why not use Edelman? He has been learning the position and probably has it down by now. Because they will need to spend some top picks on defense. The 3-4 is the new thing and those players go first and the team who just went to the Superbowl who had an offense that had 1700 yards rushing and 5000 yards passing but a horrible defense probably isn't going to go offense first.

How many deep threats are in this class? Not that many, not to mention the fact that they are all under 6 foot and weigh less than 200 pounds, except for two Danny Coale, who is 6 foot and 200 pounds and Tyler Shoemaker 6'1 213 pounds. Devon Wylie is the fastest ranked in the top 20. Getting these guys would be no different than using Edelman but I wouldn't mind them drafting Danny Coale or Devon Wylie but if they had to, Tyler Shoemaker is probably the best idea. There is no Randy Moss in this draft, Ashlon Jeffrey is 6'4 but has been timed in projected to run in the 4.5-4.6 range.
 
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Deadlift, the Giants had like 20 more yards rushing than the Patriots and they lost the Super Bowl when they had Randy Moss, too. And that was back when they had a good defense.
 

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The homepage of cnnsi currently has an article entitled "No Goats, No Glory." There's a large picture of a goat, along with 3 smaller pictures of Bill Buckner, Chris Webber, and . . . Wes Welker. "Whether it's Wes Welker, Chris Webber or Bill Buckner, every modern sports fan and pundit loves to name the goat" is the caption, leading in to an article written by caste clown Steve Rushin.

Talk about taking things to absurd extremes. If Welker's catch had been as easy as we see black receivers drop all the time -- and if it had been on third or fourth down and with the Patriots trailing late in the game, yes Welker would be a "goat." But this is beyond ridiculous. There were a lot of turning points in the game, going back to New England giving up a safety on their first play and then trailing 9-0 after one quarter. It's stating the obvious that no black superstar would be so unfairly castigated and maligned as Welker is.
 
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