Vince Young

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according to a few sites vince young tried to quit before the torn mcl

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/09/07/beginning-of-the-e nd-for-young/#comments


According to David Climer of the Tennesseean, Young apparently attempted to take himself out of the game after throwing an interception in the fourth quarter. Young supposedly tried to blame his reluctance to return on a tightening hamstring, even though he sought no treatment for it while the defense was on the field.


"I came on the field and 10 wasn't in the huddle," center Kevin Mawae said of the incident. "I didn't know what the situation was."
 

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I read that too. This guy is even a bigger baby than Kordell Stewart, who cried on the sideline once when he was pulled from a game. Both throw like girls so I guess they might as well cry like girls. Really disgraceful but not unexpected given how far the NFL has lowered its standards to keep its racial set aside scam going.
 

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Some leader.
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I truly hope Kerry Collins puts up good numbers and moves the offense much better than Young. It looks like the fans are ready for a playoff run and don't mind booing Young off the field to get it.
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Sounds likes hes begging to lose it, this should be fun to watch! Most likely he has the emotional equivalence of a 12 year old girl.
 

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Jeff Fisher downplayed Young's apparent quitting on the team, saying, "I think the bigger issue now is his knee. I'd be (more) concerned about his knee than what happened yesterday."


It was Fisher who ran Billy Volek out of Tennessee even though Volek had performed so well every time he was called upon. Who can forget the unstoppable Volek to Drew Bennett connection in 2004? That was way too taboo to be allowed to continue.Volek had to go so that the way could be paved for Young. And not only was Volek deprived of the starting job he deserved, Fisher publicly attacked Volek, saying that Volek had lied to him and couldn't be trusted. This is the same Jeff Fisher who regularly has to appear before the media and explain away his black players' behavior on and off the field.


A white quarterback who quit on his team would be finished in the NFL -- among his teammates, his coaches, the media and the fans. Period. His name would be used similarly to that of Ryan Leaf, always guaranteed to bring forth the required condemnations and sneering jokes. There would be no forgiving, no probationary period.


Of course it's unthinkable that a white QB would do something like what Young (allegedly) did. But blacks are coddled and coddled some more. Kordell Stewart complained that he was treated in a "racist" manner in Pittsburgh but was never able to cite anything more than a drunk fan who had thrown a beer on him from the stands. I lived in Pittsburgh during the entire Great Eight Year Kordell Stewart Experiment, and it was unbelievable the way Stewart was babied by the coaching staff and given slack by the fans until it had become glaringly obvious to even the most glassy-eyed white fan that Stewart was a terrible quarterback.
 
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Don you are a 100% right on this. The NFL traitors coddle these affelets beyound belief. Was watching that HBO series on the Cowboys. The traitors(white coaches for you guys who don't know)bent over backwards for this rookie blk tightend, at times appearing scare to yell at him. It was nausating to watch.
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Don by the way which is better a Philly Steak or a Pittsburgh Steak?
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Don Wassall said:
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Fisher publicly attacked Volek, saying that Volek had lied to him and couldn't be trusted. This is the same Jeff Fisher who regularly has to appear before the media and explain away his black players' behavior on and off the field.


That is why I have nothing but contempt for Fisher.Can Radio be trusted?They check up on him after not knowing his whereabouts for 4 hours?How weird is that? I would wager we haven't heard a tenth of what has been going on.


More on Young,thepolice, psychs, and Fisher.


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The Nashville Tennessean reports Vince Young on Monday "indicated to those around him he didn't want to play football any more." The Titans may be planning to move on without him.

This isn't the first time we've heard this from Young. And "there are indications" the team is ready to move forward with Kerry Collins, even when Young gets healthy. And that assumes Young even wants his job back. Young's mother, rightly concerned, pleaded for people to give her son "space" and "love." But it won't be so simple. A psychologist reported Young was "extremely depressed" and one wonders when (and if) he'll see the field again.

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From the article:

Young left the house and sped off in his Mercedes Benz without his cell phone.

Earlier, the two had stopped by Nuttin' but Wings on Jefferson Street and exchanged autographs for free wings

Anybody notice the incongruity of speeding off in a Mercedes Benz but trading autographs to get free chicken wings? Did he forget his wallet or what?

More from the article:
"What would you think, if you were tired of being ridiculed and persecuted and talked about and not being treated very well, what would you do? What kind of decision would you make?'' Felicia Young asked. "He may not want to deal with it (all), but you have to get to that point before you make that decision first.

I don't know, maybe we could ask Eli Manning how it feels? Or David Carr maybe? Or, how about Kerry Collins, Young's erstwhile backup, how it feels to be ridiculed, talked about and not being treated very well?

Or Mike Haas. Or David Ball. Or Brian Leonard. Or Brock Forsey. Or Matt Jones. Or dozens of other white players who are routinely vilified and cut from teams, despite playing well AND having their head screwed on straight?
 

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"I don't know, maybe we could ask Eli Manning how it feels? Or David Carr maybe? Or, how about Kerry Collins, Young's erstwhile backup, how it feels to be ridiculed, talked about and not being treated very well?

Or Mike Haas. Or David Ball. Or Brian Leonard. Or Brock Forsey. Or Matt Jones. Or dozens of other white players who are routinely vilified and cut from teams, despite playing well AND having their head screwed on straight?"


White Shotgun, this is a great post. Vince Young has had nothing but ass-kissing directed his way since being drafted. For God's sake, even the select few who didnt kiss his ass still never badmouthed him or blamed him (it was always injuries, his style of play, etc).

I've seen his ugly face in several TV commercials, magazines, etc, so he should probably count his incredibly undeserved blessings. He's pretty much acting like a little girl....which makes sense, since he throws and runs like one.

He's been given every opportunity to play and succeed, and he was drafted by a very decent Titans team and was handed the job over the incredibly hated white gunslinger, Billy Volek.

If Vince young retires over these pattycake, sissified critics, he'd have committed suicide years ago if he heard some of the comments said about Eli, Brees, Boller, Alex Smith, etc. Hopefully this complete and utter p*ssy does retire...perhaps a crack in the caste system will emerge?
 

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White Shogun said:
From the article:

Earlier, the two had stopped by Nuttin' but Wings on Jefferson Street and exchanged autographs for free wings

Anybody notice the incongruity of speeding off in a Mercedes Benz but trading autographs to get free chicken wings? Did he forget his wallet or what?

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I have to laugh, even though that is sad really. The guy is so privileged and spoiled that he can't handle a little adversity. I don't know maybe he really is mentally ill b/c if he is not he is a real pu**y like Thrashen says. But the guy can still feed himself through autographs even if he spends himself to bankruptcy...What a life.
 

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Young is probably very immature and emotionally stunted. It's no secret he'smentally slow, andsurely must befrustrated at not being able to develop and learn the schemes. Norm Chow, the QBwizard was brought in to work his magic, buthe failed, was fired, and replaced by Mike Heimerdinger. Lotsa luck.
 

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Radio is depressed. Poor kid.
 

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This is truly an amazing situation. Actually, it's unprecedented. I watched some of the saturation coveage of this story on ESPN on Wednesday, as the wheels fell off the bus of the jock-sniffers' lastest Great Black Hope at QB.

Besides Merrill Hoge's comments, I also witnessed some unbelievable words coming out of the mouth of black talking head Rob Parker. During ESPN's "First Take," he and odious white jock-sniffer Skip Bayless routinely trade predictable barbs and issue the standard bland p.c. sports "commentary." However, Parker really lashed out at Young, saying he didn't think he could ever come back to the Titans again. He also truthfully pointed out that Young has been a poor QB. Showing that the old-line jock-sniffers were not dead yet on this issue, Skip rallied to Young's defense, mentioning Young's won-lost record, and how "he" rallied the Titans to so many victories during his "great" rookie season. When Parker scoffed at Young feeling upset over being booed, and pointed out how Eli Manning must have felt, Skip snorted and tried to maintain that, comparing Young to Eli at the same stage of their careers, there was "no comparison," Young was much better.

All in all, the jock sniffers appear to be throwing their erstwhile hero beneath the bus even faster than they turned on Vick when the dog fighting story broke. I even saw them run the stat, several times during the day, showing that Young has the lowest career QB rating of any QB in the past several years, for the number of games played. It's hard not to find all this at least a bit entertaining.Edited by: bigunreal
 

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Skip snorted and tried to maintain that, comparing Young to Eli at the same stage of their careers, there was "no comparison," Young was much better.

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With "VY" now clearly out of favor, expect the jock-sniffers to really go all out in support of JaMarcus and/or Tavaris.

The more these overhyped, often mediocre black QBs fail miserably in the NFL, the harder it's going to be for the jock-sniffers to wildly proclaim each new one the next superstar. Ironically, they really don't pay all that much attention to the one very good black QB in the NFL today; Donovan McNabb. Of course, none of them ever criticizes him, but he doesn't get the same level of fawning promotion that Vick and Young received.

On Jeff Fisher; his devotion to the Caste system doesn't surprise me. He was one of the very few white players that ex-coach Buddy Ryan actually liked. Obviously, Fisher learned well under Ryan. It will be interesting to see how he deals with an all-white QB group, assuming Young misses much or all of this season. Edited by: bigunreal
 

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I'm glad this happened. Vince Young is one of the most over-rated black QBs ever, and that is saying a lot. I told y'all a long time ago that he wouldn't make it, even with the Caste hype machine propping him up. Good riddance!
 

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Compared to Jackson, Young is Staubach.....
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I thought if you had an 88 IQ your always supposed to be happy....
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I'm not up on this. Is Young definitely out of Sunday's game?

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Credit where credit is due. Black sports columnist Jason Whitlock predicted Young would be a bust, and here he makes some good points.

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Sad to say, but Young's problems were predictable
by Jason Whitlock


Updated: September 11, 2008, 3:39 PM EST
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I'm going to do my best to avoid turning this into an I-told-you-so column.

But the truth is, I told you before the 2006 draft that Vince Young was primed for NFL failure. He entered the league with an attitude, mindset and supporting cast totally unprepared to survive the pressure, challenge and responsibility that goes along with the most prestigious and difficult job in all of sports.

Did Vince Young never learn how to handle adversity?

When I explained all of this in 2006, my naive and misguided critics called me an Uncle Tom. Yeah, they ripped me for attempting to issue a young black kid a warning about what awaited him in The League and the attitude he would need to cope and excel.

Some people foolishly think it's every black media member's job to assist in the mental and emotional crippling of black youth. We're supposed to blow rainbows up the asses of every black athlete who "makes it" and assure him/her that anyone who utters a word of criticism is a jealous bigot or irrational sellout.

So, no, I'm not surprised Vince Young tried to quit in the middle of Sunday's game after throwing a second interception and hearing boos from Titans fans frustrated by his inability to read a defense or throw accurately. I'm not all that shocked that two days later Jeff Fisher called the police and asked them to hunt down his inconsistent quarterback. I'm not surprised the Titans team psychologist is apparently worried that Vince Young is suffering depression.

And I'm really not surprised that Vince Young's mother told The Tennessean that her baby boy needs a little space and a lot of love and support.

The question is, when Young rebounds from his emotional abyss and recovers from his knee injury, what kind of love and support are we going to give him? Are the people who already love Young going to replant their heads in Young's rear end and their hands in his wallet? Or will a few people within Team Vince do the right thing and level with him about what he needs to do to make it in the NFL as a quarterback?

Vince Young, like a lot of young African-American men, desperately needs to hear the truth from the people who love him. Too often we pave the road to failure for black boys by believing the cure for bigotry â€â€￾ and there is still plenty of bigotry in America â€â€￾ is the ability to recognize it in (and blame it for) everything. That cure has more negative side effects than most of the drugs trumpeted by the pharmaceutical companies in television commercials. That cure serves as a convenient crutch, and turns a talent such as Vince Young into a quitter the moment adversity strikes. That cure helped land Michael Vick in jail.


Everyone told Vince Young and Michael Vick the NFL would be easy. They'd revolutionize the QB position with their legs, and they could pop bottles, roll with a posse and pretend to be Jay-Z in their spare time.

It just doesn't work. Not for Young or Vick. Not for Matt Leinart. Not for anyone who wants to star at the position and avoid the boo-birds.

No one revolutionizes the starting quarterback position. The position revolutionizes the person playing it. Just ask Donovan McNabb. He figured it out and changed his game. Over the objection of idiots, McNabb developed his skills as a pocket passer. He concentrated on becoming a student of the game. If he can stay healthy over the next three or four years, McNabb will surpass Warren Moon as the best black quarterback ever to play the game.

Unfortunately, there are still people, especially black people, who don't appreciate McNabb. They think he let "us" down by de-emphasizing his athleticism, and they criticize him for being cozy with his organization the way Peyton Manning is with the Colts and Brady is with the Patriots.

McNabb doesn't get to enjoy the luxury of being a company man the way other franchise QBs in their prime do.

But McNabb has never threatened to quit or asked out of a game because the Philly fans were too rough. McNabb understands that in some instances the scrutiny of a black quarterback might be a tad more intense than that of a white one. He also understands that the best way to combat it isn't whining. It's performance. It's work ethic. It's professionalism.

It's not a coincidence that McNabb comes from a supportive, two-parent household.

I bring that up not to castigate Vince Young and his mother. I don't even know the story of Young's upbringing.

I raise the issue to point out that in modern professional sports â€â€￾ with the astronomical players' salaries â€â€￾ ownership and management examine the upbringing of the athletes and factor that into their decision-making.

Vick's failure, Young's potential failure and the guaranteed money they were given will make ownership more reluctant to anoint another kid from the 'hood a franchise quarterback straight out of college.

It's not about color. It's about fitting the profile of someone who can handle all that goes along with being an NFL quarterback. If I'm an owner, I spend my quarterback dollars on young men who were raised by strong fathers. It wouldn't be an infallible system, but on average I bet I'd hit more winners than if I turned over the leadership of my team to a kid who isn't used to having a strong male authority figure.

As black people, we need to ask ourselves whether we are doing a good job preparing our boys for positions of immense leadership, responsibility and scrutiny.


You are going to get criticized playing quarterback. If your instinct is to dismiss the criticism as racist, maybe you shouldn't play the position. If you are surrounded by people who spend every waking minute telling you that you can do no wrong and that everyone who criticizes you is a bigot, then maybe you shouldn't play quarterback.

The position requires thick skin and genuine self-confidence. If you need four or five male groupies with you at all times, a half million dollars of jewelry around your neck and wrists and a dozen tattoos to feel confident, then maybe you should play wide receiver or start rapping.

The average NFL fan has no idea how much time a franchise spends working on self-esteem issues with a typical player. You think these guys are self-assured. Many of them are not. They self-medicate with booze, drugs, steroids, bling, women and attention-getting stunts such as name changes.

Remember when Terrell Owens' assistant claimed he had 25 million reasons to live? It was an accidental moment of clarity and honesty. Too many players have their whole sense of self-worth tied up in their contracts.

It doesn't take much to crack a man with no real identity, especially if he's grown accustomed to having all of his shortcomings rationalized.

You can e-mail Jason Whitlock at Ballstate68@aol.com.
 

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Yeah, this guy is the best writer out there for writing about racial issues. Too bad, he can only do it because he's black. I notice he mentioned Mcnabb as a black Qb who doesn't have the confidence problems of Vick/Young because he was raised in a two parent home. I guess he forgot about McDrabbs choke job in the Super Bowl where he was vomiting and unable to call plays. Didn't fit his script I guess.
 

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Whitlock's observations can be applied to black athletes generally. Pampered and praised, criticized very gingerly if at all, treated by many whites as if they're gods, still maintaining the lifestyles they came from except with lots more money to fund it, many seem to snap readily. Also remember the traditional view of blacks (now almost completely forgotten and even turned on its head) that they lack stamina and don't react well to stressful situations.
 
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