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Has Todd McShay played football for anywhere besides HS?? I have lost all respect for he and (S)Mel Di(a)per ever since they BOTH failed to rank Toby Gerhart in their Top 5 List...
Let those weak-hearts & the sumocriticize Tebow all they want...the fire burns deep inside this dude...it was a Caste Busting U.S.Presidency...just maybe it can happen in this Draft?? Shipley, Cooper, Decker, Gerhart, Sharp, Tebow, LeFevour...etc LeFevour BTW could be BIG-TIMING it soon! Let them put that in their pipe & smoke it!
Let those weak-hearts & the sumocriticize Tebow all they want...the fire burns deep inside this dude...it was a Caste Busting U.S.Presidency...just maybe it can happen in this Draft?? Shipley, Cooper, Decker, Gerhart, Sharp, Tebow, LeFevour...etc LeFevour BTW could be BIG-TIMING it soon! Let them put that in their pipe & smoke it!
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<h1>Tim Tebow is ready for NFL, old Bucs coach Sam Wyche says</h1>
The dismantling of a legend is in full force. These days, it is easy
to wonder if Tim Tebow ever played football at all.
Listen, and
you will hear about the long, loopy flaw in his delivery. Read, and you
will find those who question his feet, his arm and his ability to read
an opposing defense. Pay attention, and you will find those who think
any NFL team interested in drafting Tebow is wasting its time.
Then
there is Sam Wyche, who suggests the critics should worry more about
their accuracy than Tebow's.
"If this guy can't be a starting
quarterback in the NFL," said Wyche, a former Bucs coach, "then I was in
the wrong profession for a lot of years."
Say this much for
Wyche. He didn't win enough games in Tampa Bay (23 in four years), but
he knows what a quarterback looks like. Once, in San Francisco, he was
Joe Montana's quarterback coach. Once, in Cincinnati, he was Boomer
Esiason's head coach.
These days, Wyche is part of Tebow's pit
crew, the collection of coaches in charge of reinventing Tebow's passing
mechanics. Last month, Wyche and Tebow spent two days at a facility in
Franklin, Tenn., working in the classroom and on the field.
In the
end, Wyche was impressed with what he saw. And if the reports out of
Franklin are correct, NFL scouts might do well to give Tebow another
look when he has his pro day (March 17).
"Would I draft him?"
Wyche said. "Absolutely. Sure. If he's not taken early, somebody is
going to be called a genius for taking him wherever he goes."
Perhaps
you have heard different reports, haven't you? Since the end of the
season, skeptics have lined up to talk about the varied reasons why
Tebow will not succeed in the NFL. At times, the talk was so harsh you
wondered if those 47 games Tebow's Florida team won was a misprint, or
if his 88 touchdown passes were just a rumor.
Some of that,
naturally, is the way the draft process dissects a player. But some of
it seems to be a backlash toward a player who was praised so often in
college.
Give Tebow credit for this much: He has at least been on a
quest to get better. How many quarterbacks who were stars in college
can say that? Former NFL offensive coordinator Zeke Bratkowski is the
chief mechanic, but Montreal Alouettes coach Marc Trestman and Arizona
State offensive coordinator Noel Mazzone have offered input, too.
As
for Wyche, he became involved when Tony Dungy, the coach who replaced
him in Tampa, recommended him to Bob Tebow, Tim's father. Wyche, now 65
and a county council member in Pickins, S.C., dusted off his whistle and
came aboard.
"He's accurate," Wyche said of Tebow. "He's smart.
He anticipates well. He's a commander in the huddle. He has good
footwork. "¦ He has agility. He has athleticism. So many things are right
about this guy."
Wyche said their sessions began in the
classroom. What does it mean when the free safety is in the middle? (It
means a defense can't outnumber you.) What does it mean when the corner
is bent at the waist? (Probably zone coverage, because it's not a good
man technique.) What does it mean when the corner plays inside
technique? (He doesn't have safety help.)
"He's as smart as
anyone," Wyche said. "I was around Montana and Boomer, and they would be
at the top of the list of understand theory coming out of college. They
understood concepts. This guy is right with them. I hope he gets a good
coordinator and a good quarterback coach. If not, he'll be smarter than
they are."
Arm strength? Wyche says Tebow will have one of the
strongest arms in the league. Footwork? Wyche says it's as good as
anyone's. Accuracy? Along with intelligence, Wyche says that's Tebow's
strongest asset.
Ah, but then there is Tebow's much-discussed
delivery. While at Florida, there were a lot of plays when Tebow wound
up like a pitcher and threw the ball like a shot-putter.
Wyche
admits that if he knew nothing more than what he was seeing on film,
that would concern him. As it is, Wyche thinks Tebow will quickly
overcome his flaws in the manner that former NFL star Randall Cunningham
did when he came out of college with his own awkward delivery.
"Everyone
wants to talk about his long windup and dropping the ball," Wyche said.
"But if he takes the ball up with two hands, which he didn't do in
college, you have to put it in the same spot near your ear every time.
If you wind up (as Tebow did at Florida), you get a different release
point every time.
"Boy, he worked hard at it. He could tell when
he tried and it wasn't right. He was coaching himself."
So where
is Tebow going to be drafted? First round? Third round? As an H-back?
Wherever
it is, Wyche said, he hopes there is a veteran there who can mentor him
for a year or so.
"Paul Brown used to say to me, 'Don't tell me
about how good an athlete a guy is. Tell me about how good a football
player he is.' I think Tebow is one of the elite."
So, you ask
Wyche. Is Tebow better than anyone you coached in Tampa Bay?
"Well,
yeah."
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/tim-tebow-is-ready-for-nfl-old-bucs-coach-sam-wyche-says/1075098
The dismantling of a legend is in full force. These days, it is easy
to wonder if Tim Tebow ever played football at all.
Listen, and
you will hear about the long, loopy flaw in his delivery. Read, and you
will find those who question his feet, his arm and his ability to read
an opposing defense. Pay attention, and you will find those who think
any NFL team interested in drafting Tebow is wasting its time.
Then
there is Sam Wyche, who suggests the critics should worry more about
their accuracy than Tebow's.
"If this guy can't be a starting
quarterback in the NFL," said Wyche, a former Bucs coach, "then I was in
the wrong profession for a lot of years."
Say this much for
Wyche. He didn't win enough games in Tampa Bay (23 in four years), but
he knows what a quarterback looks like. Once, in San Francisco, he was
Joe Montana's quarterback coach. Once, in Cincinnati, he was Boomer
Esiason's head coach.
These days, Wyche is part of Tebow's pit
crew, the collection of coaches in charge of reinventing Tebow's passing
mechanics. Last month, Wyche and Tebow spent two days at a facility in
Franklin, Tenn., working in the classroom and on the field.
In the
end, Wyche was impressed with what he saw. And if the reports out of
Franklin are correct, NFL scouts might do well to give Tebow another
look when he has his pro day (March 17).
"Would I draft him?"
Wyche said. "Absolutely. Sure. If he's not taken early, somebody is
going to be called a genius for taking him wherever he goes."
Perhaps
you have heard different reports, haven't you? Since the end of the
season, skeptics have lined up to talk about the varied reasons why
Tebow will not succeed in the NFL. At times, the talk was so harsh you
wondered if those 47 games Tebow's Florida team won was a misprint, or
if his 88 touchdown passes were just a rumor.
Some of that,
naturally, is the way the draft process dissects a player. But some of
it seems to be a backlash toward a player who was praised so often in
college.
Give Tebow credit for this much: He has at least been on a
quest to get better. How many quarterbacks who were stars in college
can say that? Former NFL offensive coordinator Zeke Bratkowski is the
chief mechanic, but Montreal Alouettes coach Marc Trestman and Arizona
State offensive coordinator Noel Mazzone have offered input, too.
As
for Wyche, he became involved when Tony Dungy, the coach who replaced
him in Tampa, recommended him to Bob Tebow, Tim's father. Wyche, now 65
and a county council member in Pickins, S.C., dusted off his whistle and
came aboard.
"He's accurate," Wyche said of Tebow. "He's smart.
He anticipates well. He's a commander in the huddle. He has good
footwork. "¦ He has agility. He has athleticism. So many things are right
about this guy."
Wyche said their sessions began in the
classroom. What does it mean when the free safety is in the middle? (It
means a defense can't outnumber you.) What does it mean when the corner
is bent at the waist? (Probably zone coverage, because it's not a good
man technique.) What does it mean when the corner plays inside
technique? (He doesn't have safety help.)
"He's as smart as
anyone," Wyche said. "I was around Montana and Boomer, and they would be
at the top of the list of understand theory coming out of college. They
understood concepts. This guy is right with them. I hope he gets a good
coordinator and a good quarterback coach. If not, he'll be smarter than
they are."
Arm strength? Wyche says Tebow will have one of the
strongest arms in the league. Footwork? Wyche says it's as good as
anyone's. Accuracy? Along with intelligence, Wyche says that's Tebow's
strongest asset.
Ah, but then there is Tebow's much-discussed
delivery. While at Florida, there were a lot of plays when Tebow wound
up like a pitcher and threw the ball like a shot-putter.
Wyche
admits that if he knew nothing more than what he was seeing on film,
that would concern him. As it is, Wyche thinks Tebow will quickly
overcome his flaws in the manner that former NFL star Randall Cunningham
did when he came out of college with his own awkward delivery.
"Everyone
wants to talk about his long windup and dropping the ball," Wyche said.
"But if he takes the ball up with two hands, which he didn't do in
college, you have to put it in the same spot near your ear every time.
If you wind up (as Tebow did at Florida), you get a different release
point every time.
"Boy, he worked hard at it. He could tell when
he tried and it wasn't right. He was coaching himself."
So where
is Tebow going to be drafted? First round? Third round? As an H-back?
Wherever
it is, Wyche said, he hopes there is a veteran there who can mentor him
for a year or so.
"Paul Brown used to say to me, 'Don't tell me
about how good an athlete a guy is. Tell me about how good a football
player he is.' I think Tebow is one of the elite."
So, you ask
Wyche. Is Tebow better than anyone you coached in Tampa Bay?
"Well,
yeah."
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/college/tim-tebow-is-ready-for-nfl-old-bucs-coach-sam-wyche-says/1075098
GWTJ
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Just got done watching Tony Dungy and Marcellus Wiley rip on Tebow mercilessly(NFL Live). It was almost immoral. Wiley went so far as to call him a mascot and they both laughed. If ever letters should be sent to ESPN this is the time. I would fire them both.
whiteathlete33
Hall of Famer
GWTJ said:
I thought Dungy said he would pick Tebow over any quarterback in the draft.
Thrashen
Hall of Famer
If Tim Tebow is laughed at and callously referred to as a "mascot," I wonder what that would make Jamarcus Russell or Vince Young or Jason Campbell"¦the watergirls?
St. Tony Dungheap was a fairer than average coach to white players, which in the NFL seems to be a formula for prolonged success. Jim Caldwell easily "leading"Â the Colts to the SB this season proved how meaningless Dungheap was to Colts. If Mudd and Manning were to leave, the Colts would be yet another laughable NFL team. Blacks typically wear their female-esq jealousy (and most other unpleasant emotions) on their sleeves. All this "pretending"Â like TT sucks will most likely blow up in their room-brightening-smile-clad faces.
St. Tony Dungheap was a fairer than average coach to white players, which in the NFL seems to be a formula for prolonged success. Jim Caldwell easily "leading"Â the Colts to the SB this season proved how meaningless Dungheap was to Colts. If Mudd and Manning were to leave, the Colts would be yet another laughable NFL team. Blacks typically wear their female-esq jealousy (and most other unpleasant emotions) on their sleeves. All this "pretending"Â like TT sucks will most likely blow up in their room-brightening-smile-clad faces.
Fightingtowin
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Just a couple months ago or so Dungy was saying Tebow should be a top 10 pick, and although won't ever be a Peyton Manning type, will cause the defense so many problems because of all the other things he brings to the table. He said he thought Tebow would be a "great" quarterback.whiteathlete33 said:
GWTJ, what did Dungy say? Edited by: Fightingtowin
Lance Alworth
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It wasn't Dungy that said that. It was Herm Edwards. I saw the piece
FootballDad
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Well, you know, all of those black ex-NFL coaches all look the sameLance Alworth said:
Lance Alworth said:
I have never been impressed with Herm Edwards. I have seen the guy many times on ESPN and all the guy does is constantly speak in cliches and say things you can fit on a bumper sticker and he raises his voice at inappropiate moments in a conversation. I really don't have a opinion on him as a football coach but he sucks as a analyst.
DixieDestroyer
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To hell with these caste lackey blowhards!They'd been lucky to push a broom or empty trash at a stadium 40-50 years ago! I've about had my fill of these arrogant, caste-enabled pukes (who don't deserve & didn't earn their positions) trashing White athletes 24x7.
The same rage can be expressed towards our watered down society, where streams of untermenschen get (AA/quota) hand-outs & swipe jobs from more qualified Whites... who have/can perform 10X better. Be it education (scholarships, admissions) or in the workforce (H-1Bs, AA free-loaders), these bottom feeders get what's deserved by, owed to the White man (by virtue of intelligence, performance, seniority, etc.). My Grandaddy would be rolling over in his grave to see what this Nation has DE-volved into.
Edited by: DixieDestroyer
The same rage can be expressed towards our watered down society, where streams of untermenschen get (AA/quota) hand-outs & swipe jobs from more qualified Whites... who have/can perform 10X better. Be it education (scholarships, admissions) or in the workforce (H-1Bs, AA free-loaders), these bottom feeders get what's deserved by, owed to the White man (by virtue of intelligence, performance, seniority, etc.). My Grandaddy would be rolling over in his grave to see what this Nation has DE-volved into.
Edited by: DixieDestroyer
FootballDad
Hall of Famer
It could be worse, guest301, I listened to him almost every day when he was the Chief's caste-coach. Every other sentence started or ended with "at the end of the day...."guest301 said:
FootballDad said:
Yes I have noticed how black analysts constantly overuse that phrase "at the end of the day". It's ok to use that phrase every once in awile but it's become a crutch now similar to "whatever" and "you know what I am saying". I also find it funny how Barkely will constantly use the words "first of all" after he has already made a couple of points in his analysis and procedes to backtrack on everything he just said.
GWTJ
Mentor
Lance Alworth said:
Tx for correcting me, I was surprised that Dungy would say that so i'm glad to hear it wasn't him.
Tebow got a 22 on the Wonderlic.
Here's some info I found on Wiki that some here might find interesting:
Pat McInally, a graduate of Harvard University, is the only football player to record a confirmed perfect score of 50.[2] Ryan Fitzpatrick, also a Harvard graduate and currently a quarterback with the NFL Buffalo Bills, had also been rumored to have scored a perfect 50 points in only nine minutes.[3] However, Fitzpatrick denied this, saying that he had left at least one of the 50 answer spaces blank.[4] The Wall Street Journal later reported that Fitzpatrick's actual score was 48 but that Fitzpatrick's claim of completing the Wonderlic in only nine minutes was accurate (This report appeared in the September 30, 2005 edition of the WSJ in the Weekend Section). As of 2005, Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Kevin Curtis, a graduate of Utah State University, was reported to be tied with Fitzpatrick and Benjamin Watson of the New England Patriots as having scored a 48, the highest Wonderlic score of any active NFL player.[5] During the 2009 Combine NFL Network's Rich Eisen mentioned that Mike Mamula the "Workout Warrior" scored a 49; USA Today has also reported on this claim.[6]
On the other hand, some high profile players have scored rather low on the test. Dan Marino and Vince Young both scored 15 on the test, though Vince Young scored a 6 on his first attempt.[7] Marcus Vick, brother of Michael Vick, scored 11. Michael himself scored an average 20.
Here's some info I found on Wiki that some here might find interesting:
Pat McInally, a graduate of Harvard University, is the only football player to record a confirmed perfect score of 50.[2] Ryan Fitzpatrick, also a Harvard graduate and currently a quarterback with the NFL Buffalo Bills, had also been rumored to have scored a perfect 50 points in only nine minutes.[3] However, Fitzpatrick denied this, saying that he had left at least one of the 50 answer spaces blank.[4] The Wall Street Journal later reported that Fitzpatrick's actual score was 48 but that Fitzpatrick's claim of completing the Wonderlic in only nine minutes was accurate (This report appeared in the September 30, 2005 edition of the WSJ in the Weekend Section). As of 2005, Philadelphia Eagles wide receiver Kevin Curtis, a graduate of Utah State University, was reported to be tied with Fitzpatrick and Benjamin Watson of the New England Patriots as having scored a 48, the highest Wonderlic score of any active NFL player.[5] During the 2009 Combine NFL Network's Rich Eisen mentioned that Mike Mamula the "Workout Warrior" scored a 49; USA Today has also reported on this claim.[6]
On the other hand, some high profile players have scored rather low on the test. Dan Marino and Vince Young both scored 15 on the test, though Vince Young scored a 6 on his first attempt.[7] Marcus Vick, brother of Michael Vick, scored 11. Michael himself scored an average 20.
ToughJ.Riggins
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A 22 is a little lower than the average QB I think, but around the league average. I'm a slow reader and had heard about the kind of questions that would be on a wonderlic from a friend. I attempted a sample test on my own and scored a 29 the first time. I took another sample test about a year later and scored a 32 which averages to a 30.5. If I was a faster reader I would have done better b/c the majority of the questions aren't very hard.
Fightingtowin
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The MSM is trying to spin it as if it was a terrible score. It was average. Just trying to tear him down some more.
Not sure how to read between the lines on this, but it's hard to imagine the Jags passing on Tebow if he's still available when they pick in the second round.
Jaguars Notebook: Wayne Weaver won't alter draft plan for Tim Tebow
Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver likes to call Tim Tebow an icon, but indicated Thursday the Jaguars aren't going to deviate from their draft board to select the former Florida quarterback.
"Personally, I think Tim Tebow is an extraordinary young man and he's an extraordinary athlete. He's going to be successful in the National Football League,"Â Weaver said during an interview before a Team Teal Rally Thursday.
But he said the Jaguars won't force any picks.
"What we've got to do is trust our value board in our draft. If we force a pick, then we devalue thousands of hours of work by our scouts. We have to be true to our mission and go take the best player with our pick. When we do that, we get good results,"Â he said.
He then smiled and said, "We all know we've done it the other way in the past and it didn't work. Shame on you if you don't learn from your mistakes. You stay true to your process."Â
http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2010-03-11/story/jaguars_notebook_wayne_weaver_won%E2%80%99t_alter_draft_plan_for_ti?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+jacksonv
Jaguars Notebook: Wayne Weaver won't alter draft plan for Tim Tebow
Jaguars owner Wayne Weaver likes to call Tim Tebow an icon, but indicated Thursday the Jaguars aren't going to deviate from their draft board to select the former Florida quarterback.
"Personally, I think Tim Tebow is an extraordinary young man and he's an extraordinary athlete. He's going to be successful in the National Football League,"Â Weaver said during an interview before a Team Teal Rally Thursday.
But he said the Jaguars won't force any picks.
"What we've got to do is trust our value board in our draft. If we force a pick, then we devalue thousands of hours of work by our scouts. We have to be true to our mission and go take the best player with our pick. When we do that, we get good results,"Â he said.
He then smiled and said, "We all know we've done it the other way in the past and it didn't work. Shame on you if you don't learn from your mistakes. You stay true to your process."Â
http://jacksonville.com/sports/football/jaguars/2010-03-11/story/jaguars_notebook_wayne_weaver_won%E2%80%99t_alter_draft_plan_for_ti?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+jacksonv
DixieDestroyer
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Matt Stafford scored a 38 on the Wonderlic last year...proving he's supersharp on & off the field.
Here are some other scores of note...
Steve Young - 33
Drew Brees - 28
Tom Brady - 33
Chad Pennington - 25
Drew Bledsoe - 37
Donovan McNabb - 14
David Garrard - 14
Dan Marino - 16
Eli Manning - 39
Jeff George - 10
Vince Young - allegedly got a 6, then retested and got a 15
Chris Leak - 8
John Elway - 30
Brett Favre - 22
Steve Young - 33
Drew Brees - 28
Tom Brady - 33
Chad Pennington - 25
Drew Bledsoe - 37
Donovan McNabb - 14
David Garrard - 14
Dan Marino - 16
Eli Manning - 39
Jeff George - 10
Vince Young - allegedly got a 6, then retested and got a 15
Chris Leak - 8
John Elway - 30
Brett Favre - 22
ToughJ.Riggins
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I'm pretty sure I read McNabb's score was 26 recently in an online news article. Where are you getting these Wonderlic scores from Dixie, just curious? Most of the list looks accurate, but I recall McNabb scoring a 26.
DixieDestroyer
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TJR, I can't say they're 100% legit (for sure), but here's where I found them...
Stafford's 38 & Other NFL Wonderlic Scores
Edited by: DixieDestroyer
Stafford's 38 & Other NFL Wonderlic Scores
Edited by: DixieDestroyer
ToughJ.Riggins
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Dixie, I just did a search for "Donovan McNabb wonderlic score" and 14 came back as his score, so I guess that is correct...Yikes not a good score.
Pennington didn't score very high for a finalist for the Rhodes scholar award. I wonder what Myron Rolle scored?
Pennington didn't score very high for a finalist for the Rhodes scholar award. I wonder what Myron Rolle scored?
FootballDad
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Since Rolle's score hasn't been released, it probably wasn't all that good.
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If you remember the time that Mcnabb didn't even know the overtime rules. You could understand a 14 score. Plus his sideline demeanor doesn't seem like a guy who is cerebral. One too many funky chicken dances with the brain dead wide receivers/ tailbacks....ToughJ.Riggins said:
