There is a simple obvious reason that there are no white corners in the NFL

[spiritofspook]

White athletes in the NFL are not QUICK enough to cover NFL wide receivers. Many are not quick enough to cover College receivers.

Off topic for a sec- I got to this sight on accident trying to research Brandon Hardin, a white (ish) corner prospect who has worked out for my beloved Chicago bears who are in dire need of corner/safety help. Much to my semi surprise i come across this site. Here we have an entire site with the intention of pointing out the "unfair" disparities against white athletes in the most popular American sports.

Although there is much truth to the fact that some white athletes are discriminated against/discouraged from playing certain positions, there seems to be a lot of selective logic and cherry picking going on around here, along with some clearly misplaced resentment and thinly veiled hate. But considering this is a sports site, i figure lets just stick to the subject and see where this goes. Maybe we can learn from each other.

Back on topic- Professional White athletes can run as fast, jump as high, use as much strength, etc as any high level professional athlete of any race; however, they simply do not have the needed hip flexibility that SOME (not all) high end professional black athletes do. I see threads about white players running 4.3 fortys, i see a lot of conspiracy theories about promoting racial...? uuuh something through sports (of course this is only at certain positions no one has an issue with white linebackers, defensive linemen, offensive linemen, quarterbacks, etc but for some reason the positions that require the most lateral quickness there is a CONSPIRACY!!!:der. I see a lot of complaining, but i don't see much logic. Next you guys should complain that there aren't enough Mexicans in the NBA, or enough Black hockey players. Crying conspiracy there would be just as illogical. But we will get to those some other time.

Cornerback more than any other NFL position requires high levels of agility. The ability to turn your hips and change direction is key when you have to follow NFL wide recievers all over the field. NFL receivers that run much more complex routes than in college. NFL receivers who have much more accurate QBs throwing them the ball will easily burn a corner who is not quick enough to keep up. This is why Darrel Revis shuts down receivers several inches taller than him. It is the same reason why most corners are under 6 ft tall; that extra height (Hardin is 6-2 btw) makes it harder to be as quick. Just like you cant name 1 white corner in the last 10 years, you cant name 5 all pro corners over 6-1. Malcolm Jenkins played corner for Ohio State at 6-2; in the NFL he was moved to safety. When you have a low center of gravity and a wide hip base (something that sub saharan Africans are genetically predisposed to, kinda like our women and their big butts- a genetic condition called Steatopygia) then you can change direction at full speed without losing ground.

ANYONE with strong enough legs and hamstrings can run fast in a straight line. Adam Archuletta was a case study in this. (For any white athletes who are looking for a way to improve their speed and quickness look up his training regimen) I was once a coach for a track team, and one of our fastest sprinters was a short chubby Pakistani kid with a weird stride. In a 100 meter dash, he was running in the low 11s (pretty good for a high school kid) but as a running back, he couldn't shake anyone on the field. He just didnt have the lateral quickness. The same goes for many good overall athletes when tested against an NFL level receiver. You need lateral quickness and agility 1st; speed is secondary. No conspiracy needed, just genetics. Nice forum btw, very user friendly.

 

[Riddlewire]

White athletes in the NFL are not QUICK enough to cover NFL wide receivers.
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You either got your colors wrong or your speed terminology wrong.

It's negroes who are typically less "quick" than whites. Look at shuttle and 3-cone times from the Combine and pro days.

If you want to post here, do your research first.

 

[seattlefan]

OP, check out the thread "super affletic black corners?" The average corner puts up numbers that many white athletes have repeatedly done. Moreso, if you're claiming "quickness" or lateral agility is the issue, then as Riddlewire said, whites are actually generally better at 3 cone drill and short shuttle drills than blacks are.

 

[Liverlips]

"(of course this is only at certain positions no one has an issue with white linebackers, defensive linemen, offensive linemen, quarterbacks, etc but for some reason the positions that require the most lateral quickness there is a CONSPIRACY!!!:der. I see a lot of complaining, but i don't see much logic. Next you guys should complain that there aren't enough Mexicans in the NBA, or enough Black hockey players. Crying conspiracy there would be just as illogical. But we will get to those some other time."

You need to do some research. There is a huge bias against white linebackers, D-lineman and even O-lineman. Why do you think the NFL is 70% black? Are they all playing corner?

A decade ago, "experts" were predicting the end of the white QB and hyping up every black QB who came out of college. The black QB hype faded as most blacks could simply not play QB at the pro level. Although they are still hyping Cam Newton, RGIII and others.

By the way, is it a "conspiracy" when blacks complain about lack of black head coaches and QBs (even though blacks are over-represented at both positions)?

Few Mexicans play basketball and few blacks play hockey. Many whites play football and are getting screwed at all levels.

Hit the older threads and read up on it as these are not mere accusations but facts with ample proof.

 

[dwid]

Jenkins is actually only 6 foot, his problem isn't hip flexiblity/quickness, it was straight line speed against faster receivers, he is much slower than his timed speed. He probably won't make it at FS because he looks lost, he would be better as a SS covering short zones. He actually shut down Wes Welker (btw, can you explain why he have so many quick receivers that can change direction so quickly?) Go look at Shawn Abuhuoff from Dartmouth http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt_f8tY-REI , one of the few dbs that wasn't asked to bulk up to play safety, no problem with hip flexiblity. A problem many athletes have is maintaining flexbility while gaining weight. Anyone can gain muscle, but you have to learn how to maintain flexbilitiy while doing so, may of the newer training programs emphasize this more, this wasn't the case 10 years ago, even 5 years ago. I agree that it is harder for guys over 6 foot to flip their hips but Hardin is an exception to the rule. Personally as a coach I would probably put him as a nickelback because it is getting hard to cover the new breed of tight ends without using double teams and leaving other things open, I guess it depends on the team, if we were facing a team with a mediocre tight end and a big body wideout I would keep him on the outside. Blacks actually struggle with quickness and maintaining balance, why you think there are so many White safeties now covering the middle of the field? its actually easier to play corner because you can use the sideline to help you, in the middle its much harder and actually takes more, yes it requires a little less straight line speed but much more quickness. Why you think Harrison Smith is going so early as a safety? they want him to play man coverage, sure he will be a safety in name but basically a hybrid s/nickel corner whatever the hell you want to call it. He was used almost exclusively in man coverage last season and had no problem with hip flexiblity and allowed 0 completions and that guy is built like a tank. Meanwhile Mark Barron can't play man coverage and is limited to short zones. There is no single "black build", I see high school kids and not one of them is built the same way. The only difference I see is that they can run a little bit faster on average in a straight line over 30 yards and usually doesn't equate to an advantage on the football field because they struggle with elite quickness and maintaining balance so its negated, and were talking about a little over one tenth of a second at the most, maybe .15. This is why you see black guys run in the 4.3 range every year and never amount to anything on the football field. And the White population is so much larger there should be more total Whites that are faster, but they are probably playing other sports. I can't convince type notch athletes to switch over from freaking lacrosse and soccer to play football. You know how many more White athletes we would have? and then if there wasn't racial slotting from an early age? and still look at the amount that still manage to slip through the cracks and come out on top...but many still not invited to the combine. We had two wideouts invited to the combine and one cracked sub 4.4. The other should have been in the 4.4 range but whatever they both posted top times in other drills.

and the argument doesn't cover other positions, no person has ever been able to answer why the lack of White defensive tackles? Im not talking about runningbacks, wideout and other positions we are screwed out of playing, why is there only a handful of White defensive tackles? they have no problem on the other side as guards and centers. Let me guess, blacks not only have a natural build to be under 6 foot with great hip flexbility, they also have the natural build to be over 6 foot with 300 pounds of weight on them. So many black defensive tackles look sloppy in build and then White guys get called tweeners and shut out of the position because they might weigh 295 and solid as a rock? who cares if their weight is a little under, its about strength, it doesn't matter if you have an extra 20 pounds of fat, that just makes you less able to move and more likely to have to rotate out a higher number of times per game. Kelly Gregg was a solid 300 pounds and could take on double teams with ease and never was a true starter, but they relied on him heavily. I saw Mitch King do fine as a DT and the Saints didn't use him. Its one of the positions you can hide from the average fan, they can't tell if the interior of the line is doing well or not.

 

[SchaafC]

White athletes in the NFL are not QUICK enough to cover NFL wide receivers. Many are not quick enough to cover College receivers.

Off topic for a sec- I got to this sight on accident trying to research Brandon Hardin, a white (ish) corner prospect who has worked out for my beloved Chicago bears who are in dire need of corner/safety help. Much to my semi surprise i come across this site. Here we have an entire site with the intention of pointing out the "unfair" disparities against white athletes in the most popular American sports.

Although there is much truth to the fact that some white athletes are discriminated against/discouraged from playing certain positions, there seems to be a lot of selective logic and cherry picking going on around here, along with some clearly misplaced resentment and thinly veiled hate. But considering this is a sports site, i figure lets just stick to the subject and see where this goes. Maybe we can learn from each other.

Back on topic- Professional White athletes can run as fast, jump as high, use as much strength, etc as any high level professional athlete of any race; however, they simply do not have the needed hip flexibility that SOME (not all) high end professional black athletes do. I see threads about white players running 4.3 fortys, i see a lot of conspiracy theories about promoting racial...? uuuh something through sports (of course this is only at certain positions no one has an issue with white linebackers, defensive linemen, offensive linemen, quarterbacks, etc but for some reason the positions that require the most lateral quickness there is a CONSPIRACY!!!:der. I see a lot of complaining, but i don't see much logic. Next you guys should complain that there aren't enough Mexicans in the NBA, or enough Black hockey players. Crying conspiracy there would be just as illogical. But we will get to those some other time.

Cornerback more than any other NFL position requires high levels of agility. The ability to turn your hips and change direction is key when you have to follow NFL wide recievers all over the field. NFL receivers that run much more complex routes than in college. NFL receivers who have much more accurate QBs throwing them the ball will easily burn a corner who is not quick enough to keep up. This is why Darrel Revis shuts down receivers several inches taller than him. It is the same reason why most corners are under 6 ft tall; that extra height (Hardin is 6-2 btw) makes it harder to be as quick. Just like you cant name 1 white corner in the last 10 years, you cant name 5 all pro corners over 6-1. Malcolm Jenkins played corner for Ohio State at 6-2; in the NFL he was moved to safety. When you have a low center of gravity and a wide hip base (something that sub saharan Africans are genetically predisposed to, kinda like our women and their big butts- a genetic condition called Steatopygia) then you can change direction at full speed without losing ground.

ANYONE with strong enough legs and hamstrings can run fast in a straight line. Adam Archuletta was a case study in this. (For any white athletes who are looking for a way to improve their speed and quickness look up his training regimen) I was once a coach for a track team, and one of our fastest sprinters was a short chubby Pakistani kid with a weird stride. In a 100 meter dash, he was running in the low 11s (pretty good for a high school kid) but as a running back, he couldn't shake anyone on the field. He just didnt have the lateral quickness. The same goes for many good overall athletes when tested against an NFL level receiver. You need lateral quickness and agility 1st; speed is secondary. No conspiracy needed, just genetics. Nice forum btw, very user friendly.

Every heard of Joe Martnick? What about Jeff Maehl? The quickest player in combine history? What you say is simply factually incorrect. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you just do not know what you are talking about due to a lack of information. I have never heard of anyone here say that there is a clear conspiracy, its the systematic slotting of white athletes that happens from pee wee on.
Have you ever played football?

 

[spiritofspook]

Some interesting arguments. The crux of which seems to be equating combine measurables to on the field play. Ironically with some questioning my football knowledge and whether i actually played. This is not Madden people, even a coach who posted admitted that black players are faster on average.

The combine (especially timed drills) is a highly fallible way of measuring how well a player will play on the field. Do i really have to throw out a list of names of players who had amazing combine measurables who amounted to little or nothing in the league (white and black). Furthermore, do i have to throw out a list of names who did not have great combine measurables that turned out to be great players. Players will train for months in advance to up their combine stats, but it shows in games who really has what abilities. Devin hester ran a 4.41 at the combine, but i was clear from the get go that he was the fastest player on the field in his first game. My point is great measurables in a controlled environment where a player has been training in that drill for months, does not equate to the type of play NFL teams want.

I could go on but i want to address a few more things

1- NFL wide receivers require a slightly different skill set than corners, so their level of quickness is not as huge of a requirement. Body control, route running, jumping ability, offensive scheme, height and size, etc are all attributes that can hide an NFL wide receivers lack of true quickness.

2- Dwid makes the only valid point which is that whites are often steered toward other sports by the social stigma of athleticism being a racial thing. Bryan Urlacher is one of the best overall and naturally gifted athletes the NFL has ever seen (his body his not nearly as muscular as many other players but he is faster/stronger/quicker than most linebackers in the league over the last decade) but he was also from a small po dunk town and grew up under a single mom. His motivation for sports was much like many black athletes motivation. He didnt have a priviliged background that made him aspire to be a business owner, accountant, engineer, etc. He likely saw sports as a way out of poverty (this is also a much more likely story with UFC fighters) so he went hard at it. The large poverty disparity between whites and blacks leads many blacks to see sports as their best (only) shot at improving their lives. 100 years ago Irish boxers were everywhere because Irish immigrants faced massive discrimination on American soil and in Europe. As they improved their lot they began to diminish. Now boxing is dominated by Blacks from ghettos, and people from poorer countries (Mexico, Phillipines, Eastern Europe). I say all of this to say that the high level white athletes are either focusing on other sports, or they are focusing on other life opportunities. They are not being excluded by some unseen force in the NFL which brings me to my next point.

3- Exactly what would be the motivation and goal of "discriminating" against white players in the NFL? There are hardly any black GMs, and ZERO black majority owners. The vast majority of fans who buy tickets and merchandise are white (except in Atlanta maybe). Exactly why would they purposefully exclude "exciting" white players who would likely become huge stars. Who stands to benefit from such a thing other than the black players who have no power over the situation? Look at Tim Tebow. If Tim Tebow were black he would be Micheal Robinson or Woodrow Danzler. He cant throw for crap. But he is exciting, god fearing, and good looking. So he is a huge star. He alone made the NFL tons of cash on Jersey sales last year to the point that Reebok tried to pull a fast one to get a few more cash grabs in before they lost their NFL licence. Why would the NFL PURPOSEFULLY limit creating more white stars at highly athletic "exciting" positions? What conspiracy made Matt Jones a bust? What conspiracy made Peyton Hillis fall off last year? What conspiracy got Danny Woodhead benched on the whitest team in the NFL? There is no conspiracy here people. What we are talking about is mostly cultural. It is somewhat genetic, but more than anything it is a cultural belief that has tangible ramifications.

4- (edit) Along with quickness i should probably be talking about explosiveness as well which is measured greatly in the first split of the 40 yard dash and the verticle jump. This is also why you don't see as many White defensive tackles who have to explode off of the line and penetrate. Even the legendary Jeff Maehl had only a 33 inch vert which is fairly average for an NFL wide receiver

 

[dwid]

its not just the actual times of these athletes, its the way they look when running the drills, scouts take that into account, many black athletes look a little stiffer when having to change directions without slowing down running these drills which is usually the reason for the slower times, most of the Whites I have seen have no problem. You won't find many athletes who succeeded without well rounded numbers in all of the drills. I said faster in a straight on average over 30 yards and its usuallly by a tenth of a second. That doesn't amount to much. Football is rarely a straight line for 40 yards. Whites usually equal or better than their black counterparts in 10, 20 and 30 yard splits, its the last 10 yards where there is a small dropoff. There are still plenty of White athletes that can measure up so it doesn't explain why there are zero cornerbacks in the NFL that are White. I would say in a fair world it would at least be about 50 percent White. There are too many White athletes in high school that are converted to other positions to say otherwise. Their play on the field backs this up, the 40 yard/shuttle/3 cone drill are just times to confirm what you see on the field. And you are right, 40 times usually don't equate to on the field speed, I believe Matt Giordano ran a 4.5? at the combine, but he had no trouble catching up to your "fastest man" Hester but having decent times confirms what I see on the field. You can't sit here and say with a straight face that Welker is not one of THE quickest receivers in the NFL. Go watch some of his games in high def or in person if you can, you will be blown away if you have ignored it. He is not an exception to the rule. Eric Decker, Jordy Nelson, Marc Mariani, Blair White, Jordan Shipley all have been used as return men, that requires making people miss, which requires quickness. The whole idea of the slot receiver is getting the ball to your guy in space, its why there are so many White guys put at the slot position. Sure guys like White and Shipley would do better on the outside, but they can still excel on the inside.

your also forgetting when I say on average, that blacks only account for 12 to 13 percent of the population. Whites are a much higher figure. You can assume that half of these guys are too rich to care about football and there would still be double the number of Whites to blacks. I wouldn't say they are too rich and aren't "hungry". They are just more likely to weigh their options. There are only so many football scholarships and only so many roster spots in the NFL, a small percentage will make a living going pro. The main thing is to go to college to get a real education if you are not learning a trade. There are many poor White kids who are simply screwed if they are not offered a scholarship. It is better if you live close to some smaller schools with lower tuition rates. For instance, d3 colleges aren't that expensive and they will help you find other ways to pay for school, it doesn't always have to be an athletic scholarship. I assume that Nebraska goes out of their way to help walk ons find financial assistance until they get an athletic scholarship, still many kids can't go this route because it might take up too much debt, yet we still see a bunch. There are still a ton of "hungry" White athletes. With the economy going down the drain we are seeing more Whites struggle. This is probably why a former accountant Les Brown just signed a contract with the Dolphins. We will probably see more in the future.

Why? I see it as an extension of the welfare system. What to do with all of these poor blacks? Help them float through the system through athletics, fill racial quotas at major colleges (most of these kids aren't getting a real degree) and then the ones that make it BIG. Not only do they make it big, there WHOLE EXTENDED FAMILY AND FRIENDS make it big. I know we like to joke that black athletes don't know how to manage their money because they buy a bunch of bling (this is the case for quite a few), but many don't know how to manage their money because they have everyone in their family leaching off of them. You know how many people rely on Matt Forte? Chris Duhon?

Have you seen dwfs? if a White player isn't a superstar then they get hated on, and even sometimes the stars get hated on as well like Kevin Love. In their mind the elite are above average, the above average are simply "solid" and the average "solid" players shouldn't be on the field in their minds. Scott Shanle is one instance of this, a solid starter but apparently no coach has been able to see that he shouldn't have been able to start for the past 5 or 6 years.

Defensive tackles don't run in a straight line for 10 yards, they run into big offensive linemen, have to fight them off and have to push the pocket back, its more about strength and qbs are usually 5 yards behind the line, But if you want to check the 10 yard dash times, Whites usually have better times, Eric Weddle had a 1.43, Clay Matthews 1.49. Most can do it under 1.6, yet when Mark Ingram runs a 1.54 he is praised for having "elite burst". Vertical jump doesn't always equate with how explosive you are running, there are many basketball players that won't have a fast 10 yard split.

No one cared for Matt Jones and labeled him as lazy from day 1 because he didn't have the right "attitude" when was he a bust? he was on pace for 1,000 yards his last year playing, with a quarterback that struggled throw deep and never got a real chance after his suspension. People liked Hillis because he ran people over, and had his fair share of critics. Injuries hurt both him and Woodhead, but the press hurt Hillis in the long run overanalyzing every little thing he did. Couldn't take a dump without something negative being reported about it. One instance where White fans liked a White player and they did their best to turn fans against him. Its the reason why they can't stand Tebow, they can't make ENOUGH fans dislike him (although a ton do), so what do they do? talk about him non stop, talk about his religion at every instance, it was like 30 minutes into his Jets press conference and they asked him why he hadn't mentioned God yet...yeah no agenda there. Yeah he struggles throwing, but his throwing was adequate, and how can he get better if they don't let him throw except on 3rd and long? One thing he didn't do is throw interceptions. They ran a ball control offense. I wouldn't say there is a conspiracy, more of an agenda.

 

[spiritofspook]

its not just the actual times of these athletes, its the way they look when running the drills, scouts take that into account, many black athletes look a little stiffer when having to change directions without slowing down running these drills, most of the Whites I have seen have no problem. You won't find many athletes who succeeded without well rounded numbers in all of the drills. I said faster in a straight on average over 30 yards and its usuallly by a tenth of a second. That doesn't amount to much. Football is rarely a straight line for 40 yards. Whites usually equal or better than their black counterparts in 10, 20 and 30 yard splits, its the last 10 yards where there is a small dropoff. There are still plenty of White athletes that can measure up so it doesn't explain why there are zero cornerbacks in the NFL that are White. I would say in a fair world it would at least be about 50 percent White. There are too many White athletes in high school that are converted to other positions to say otherwise. Their play on the field backs this up, the 40 yard/shuttle/3 cone drill are just times to confirm what you see on the field. And you are right, 40 times usually don't equate to on the field speed, I believe Matt Giordano ran a 4.5? at the combine, but he had no trouble catching up to your "fastest man" Hester but having decent times confirms what I see on the field. You can't sit here and say with a straight face that Welker is not one of THE quickest receivers in the NFL. Go watch some of his games in high def or in person if you can, you will be blown away if you have ignored it. He is not an exception to the rule.

I would love to see some research done on average and authentic time splits for 40s for the cream of the crop white players who do make it to the league/combine at cb/wr/rb positions. I honestly dont care enough to look it up but is someone wants to score some major points for this conspiracy theory please do so. While youre at it compile some stats on vert jumps.

That said, the on the field tape still doesnt lie. I definitely agree that welker is one of the quickest players in the league, but he is also Wes Welker. He is clearly an exception to the rule. He has Julian Edleman on the same team NOT doing the exact same thing. What happened to Austin Collie and Blair White last year without Peyton manning? He doesnt represent the entire race of white players who do not have his lateral quickness. He also isnt all that good a jumper and does not have the body controll that many black receivers (and a few white) have to make certain catches (see his drop in the super bowl as an example).

Funny that i watched a Wes Welker highlight vid before my last post just to test a theory. Just as i suspected, the vast majority of his highlights are on slants, bubble screens, rubs/picks with him going under gronkowski etc. It also doesnt hurt that he has one of the most accurate passers in the NFL throwing to him. On a ton of his catches where he is actually being played man to man he is clearly covered but his relationship with brady helps him still make the play. The only time i see him burn anyone is against a the white safety on the Jets. On the other hand you should look up some Calvin Johnson highlights, or even some Jordey Nelson Highlights to see what a truly athletically gifted player looks like.

You still havent addressed the fact If white players where good at playing these positions (or if there were more who wanted to play them) they would be playing. A ton of white receivers hit combines every year and get cut like their black counterparts for the same reason. They cant cut it in the NFL. Its the same reason why so many latinos are in Baseball, or why so many less athletic Eastern Europeans are in basketball. Culture/genetics. If you believe it is a conspiracy please tell me what is the endgame, who are the conspirators, what is their goal, how do they get hundreds of white player personal whose jobs hinge on winning to go along with it when they could be putting better talent on the field.

 

[whiteathlete33]

White athletes in the NFL are not QUICK enough to cover NFL wide receivers. Many are not quick enough to cover College receivers.

Off topic for a sec- I got to this sight on accident trying to research Brandon Hardin, a white (ish) corner prospect who has worked out for my beloved Chicago bears who are in dire need of corner/safety help. Much to my semi surprise i come across this site. Here we have an entire site with the intention of pointing out the "unfair" disparities against white athletes in the most popular American sports.

Although there is much truth to the fact that some white athletes are discriminated against/discouraged from playing certain positions, there seems to be a lot of selective logic and cherry picking going on around here, along with some clearly misplaced resentment and thinly veiled hate. But considering this is a sports site, i figure lets just stick to the subject and see where this goes. Maybe we can learn from each other.

Back on topic- Professional White athletes can run as fast, jump as high, use as much strength, etc as any high level professional athlete of any race; however, they simply do not have the needed hip flexibility that SOME (not all) high end professional black athletes do. I see threads about white players running 4.3 fortys, i see a lot of conspiracy theories about promoting racial...? uuuh something through sports (of course this is only at certain positions no one has an issue with white linebackers, defensive linemen, offensive linemen, quarterbacks, etc but for some reason the positions that require the most lateral quickness there is a CONSPIRACY!!!:der. I see a lot of complaining, but i don't see much logic. Next you guys should complain that there aren't enough Mexicans in the NBA, or enough Black hockey players. Crying conspiracy there would be just as illogical. But we will get to those some other time.

Cornerback more than any other NFL position requires high levels of agility. The ability to turn your hips and change direction is key when you have to follow NFL wide recievers all over the field. NFL receivers that run much more complex routes than in college. NFL receivers who have much more accurate QBs throwing them the ball will easily burn a corner who is not quick enough to keep up. This is why Darrel Revis shuts down receivers several inches taller than him. It is the same reason why most corners are under 6 ft tall; that extra height (Hardin is 6-2 btw) makes it harder to be as quick. Just like you cant name 1 white corner in the last 10 years, you cant name 5 all pro corners over 6-1. Malcolm Jenkins played corner for Ohio State at 6-2; in the NFL he was moved to safety. When you have a low center of gravity and a wide hip base (something that sub saharan Africans are genetically predisposed to, kinda like our women and their big butts- a genetic condition called Steatopygia) then you can change direction at full speed without losing ground.

ANYONE with strong enough legs and hamstrings can run fast in a straight line. Adam Archuletta was a case study in this. (For any white athletes who are looking for a way to improve their speed and quickness look up his training regimen) I was once a coach for a track team, and one of our fastest sprinters was a short chubby Pakistani kid with a weird stride. In a 100 meter dash, he was running in the low 11s (pretty good for a high school kid) but as a running back, he couldn't shake anyone on the field. He just didnt have the lateral quickness. The same goes for many good overall athletes when tested against an NFL level receiver. You need lateral quickness and agility 1st; speed is secondary. No conspiracy needed, just genetics. Nice forum btw, very user friendly.

So in your first three posts you have attacked the entire foundation of this site. According to you everything we believe in is false. What is your race and what exactly is your purpose? To claim this entire site is an illusion? Maybe if you'd read through the mountain of evidence on this site that a caste system does exist in American sports you'd think differently. You decided not to.

 

[Liverlips]

"Exactly what would be the motivation and goal of "discriminating" against white players in the NFL? There are hardly any black GMs, and ZERO black majority owners. The vast majority of fans who buy tickets and merchandise are white."

That is the caste system in sports: the belief that blacks are better athletes. This is shared by blacks and whites alike. So a coach or scout can see a white man outplay a black athlete but still cut the white as the black will always have "intangibles" or "upside."

In boxing, we see 14 of the 20 belts from middleweight to heavyweight owned by whites. Hispanics dominate the lower weight classes. If blacks are so superior why is this?

Why do all-white basketball teams from Europe and South American routinely defeat all-black teams from the U.S.?

Why is MMA dominated by whites (and Brazilians of various races)?

Why do all-white or mostly white high school football teams usually win state championships (often defeating all-black schools in the process)?

Again, your arguments are very typical and have all been dealt with before. Though I do give you credit for at least questioning some aspects of the racist caste system.

Hit the old threads, educate yourself and them come back and ask questions.

 

[spiritofspook]

"Exactly what would be the motivation and goal of "discriminating" against white players in the NFL? There are hardly any black GMs, and ZERO black majority owners. The vast majority of fans who buy tickets and merchandise are white."

That is the caste system in sports: the belief that blacks are better athletes. This is shared by blacks and whites alike. So a coach or scout can see a white man outplay a black athlete but still cut the white as the black will always have "intangibles" or "upside."

In boxing, we see 14 of the 20 belts from middleweight to heavyweight owned by whites. Hispanics dominate the lower weight classes. If blacks are so superior why is this?

Why do all-white basketball teams from Europe and South American routinely defeat all-black teams from the U.S.?

Why is MMA dominated by whites (and Brazilians of various races)?

Why do all-white or mostly white high school football teams usually win state championships (often defeating all-black schools in the process)?

Again, your arguments are very typical and have all been dealt with before. Though I do give you credit for at least questioning some aspects of the racist caste system.

Hit the old threads, educate yourself and them come back and ask questions.

Here is the problem with your post. You are pretty far off the subject at hand. This thread clearly reads "There is a simple obvious reason that there are no white corners in the NFL " meaning that this post is specifically about why white players do not play corner-back (something that is one of the first things read at the site homepage. I think i put out a pretty convincing post and response to the semi valid arguments. You kind of touched on part of it with your cast system comment. But that is mostly circular logic. You didnt explain WHY it happens you just say that it MUST be a conspiracy because it exists. I would like an actual explanation as to WHY the NFL would shortchange itself by unfairly discriminating against white athletes. That said i will address your tangentially related points.

1- Some studies have shown that individuals of direct African descent (lets not forget that EVERYONE is from Africa and the idea of "race" is more of a social construct than a scientific one) have a lower body structure that puts their hips in a better position to react and explode. Our muscle are more rich in "fast twitch" fibers, and so on. A good book to look up that supports this is called "Taboo: Why black athletes dominate sports..." However those are where our athletic advantages end. Considering that most sports require a multitude of skills and athletic tendencies, it would be ludicrous to think that Blacks are "Superior" athletes based off race. This is not what i postulated. The reason why WE as Americans buy into that is because our two most popular sports are Football and Basketball. Those two sports put a much higher premium on fast twitch speed which gives blacks a slight edge. In other countries where soccer, golf, tennis, etc are more popular black athletes are not as readily seen as superior. I am sure in my first statement i pointed out that blacks are not completely really superior in anything except quickness. This is why "upside" is always used when dealing with black football players. Coaches being the egomaniacs that they are see a player with good athletic ability and feel that they can teach them a position. Sometimes it works great and that player turns out great (Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb) most of the time the gamble doesn't pay off all the way or fails miserably (Kordell Stewart, Mike Vick, Devin Hester)

2- That said, being a high level athlete, especially one on a team is much more than being athletically gifted. A well honed team will often beat a rag tag group of superior athletes (see the Jets Vs the Patriots) but a well honed team of superior athletes will often beat a well honed team of good athletes (see the Patriots Vs the Giants) This is why all white high school teams (often from relatively poor rural counties) full of hard working high character players will beat teams with superior athletes. I went to the same high school as Eddie Curry. I remember watching us lose the state championship game to a team of short slow white kids who rained down threes and force Eddie to become a relative non-factor. Even in MMA which is dominated by whites (greatly from rural and impoverished backgrounds) the black athletes that also have high character and high motors (something that is not intrinsic to many black athletes) still dominate -See John Jones and Anderson Silva (call him Brazilian all you want, he is clearly of DIRECT African descent). Hard work, character, teamwork, heart, etc are all much more important than athleticism in many sports. This is why high end black players dont always win out despite often being athletically superior.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Here is the problem with your post. You are pretty far off the subject at hand. This thread clearly reads "There is a simple obvious reason that there are no white corners in the NFL " meaning that this post is specifically about why white players do not play corner-back (something that is one of the first things read at the site homepage. I think i put out a pretty convincing post and response to the semi valid arguments. You kind of touched on part of it with your cast system comment. But that is mostly circular logic. You didnt explain WHY it happens you just say that it MUST be a conspiracy because it exists. I would like an actual explanation as to WHY the NFL would shortchange itself by unfairly discriminating against white athletes. That said i will address your tangentially related points.

1- Some studies have shown that individuals of direct African descent (lets not forget that EVERYONE is from Africa and the idea of "race" is more of a social construct than a scientific one) have a lower body structure that puts their hips in a better position to react and explode. Our muscle are more rich in "fast twitch" fibers, and so on. A good book to look up that supports this is called "Taboo: Why black athletes dominate sports..." However those are where our athletic advantages end. Considering that most sports require a multitude of skills and athletic tendencies, it would be ludicrous to think that Blacks are "Superior" athletes based off race. This is not what i postulated. The reason why WE as Americans buy into that is because our two most popular sports are Football and Basketball. Those two sports put a much higher premium on fast twitch speed which gives blacks a slight edge. In other countries where soccer, golf, tennis, etc are more popular black athletes are not as readily seen as superior. I am sure in my first statement i pointed out that blacks are not completely really superior in anything except quickness. This is why "upside" is always used when dealing with black football players. Coaches being the egomaniacs that they are see a player with good athletic ability and feel that they can teach them a position. Sometimes it works great and that player turns out great (Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb) most of the time the gamble doesn't pay off all the way or fails miserably (Kordell Stewart, Mike Vick, Devin Hester)

2- That said, being a high level athlete, especially one on a team is much more than being athletically gifted. A well honed team will often beat a rag tag group of superior athletes (see the Jets Vs the Patriots) but a well honed team of superior athletes will often beat a well honed team of good athletes (see the Patriots Vs the Giants) This is why all white high school teams (often from relatively poor rural counties) full of hard working high character players will beat teams with superior athletes. I went to the same high school as Eddie Curry. I remember watching us lose the state championship game to a team of short slow white kids who rained down threes and force Eddie to become a relative non-factor. Even in MMA which is dominated by whites (greatly from rural and impoverished backgrounds) the black athletes that also have high character and high motors (something that is not intrinsic to many black athletes) still dominate -See John Jones and Anderson Silva (call him Brazilian all you want, he is clearly of DIRECT African descent). Hard work, character, teamwork, heart, etc are all much more important than athleticism in many sports. This is why high end black players dont always win out despite often being athletically superior.

Answer the question! What is your race and your goal here?

 

[dwid]

typical, you want us to look the information? you are the one on a site promoting White athletes trying to prove us wrong, but you want us to look up all the information for times. There is a search function. As far as Welker's drop, only a handful of receivers hold onto that, and its due to longer arms more than body control, yes slants, bubble screens, stuff in space where he has to make people miss. Gronkowski over the top? he has been playing wide receiver since 2006, last year wasn't the only one. I didn't say he used straight line speed to beat defenders, I said he used quickness. He is basically a runningback playing the wide receiver spot, I see his skillset no different than Brian Westbrook, except he probably has better quickness and knows more about the wide receiver position being that he has played it since Tech.

As far as All White schools being better coached and thats why they win against "superior athletes". Most of these schools where I live, they recruit their athletes to play (the Catholic schools/Private schools), yes they might have a few black skill position playeres, but a ton of White ones too. The coaches are looking for the superior athletes, it doesn't always equate to the guys who get the scholarships. David Seeman was state champion MVP and 5'10 200 pounds 4.5 speed as a rb while Joe McKnight got SHUT DOWN. Joe McKnight got a ton of scholarship offers, David got none, he had 1000 yards rushing 10 ypc. Its like this with all of these schools, the White kids get ignored, but if they have a black guy, he is going to get a scholarship. It is no different from the few black kids that play at Boise getting into the NFL. Austin Pettis, Titus Young, Ryan Clady, Doug Martin (who is regarded as a 2nd-3rd round pick), I don't see Martin's skillset being any better than Brock Forsey and Boise's teams weren't as good back then but he still put up numbers. Where is Forsey now? Why did Tyler Shoemaker have to run a 4.4 just to be considered a "maybe" as a late round pick?

Your idea that this team that beat you was "slow short White" is just your perception of them. That offers no factual evidence that they were athletically inferior.

I gave you the reason, extended welfare system, colleges filling racial quotas. Finding a spot for black people who would otherwise be on the street. This is not counting the made up jobs these guys have for teams if they aren't good enough to play. Michael Lewis is still getting a paycheck from the Saints, I don't know what the hell he does and nobody that works for the team can tell me what exactly he does. You remember him? a return man for a little while then faded out. Yep, still getting a check. Yeah he does stuff with the community and a great guy a "team ambassador", but its a made up job for him. They were going to give Deuce McCallister one as well but I guess he doesn't need one right away since he settled with Nissan after threatening to sue, all because he didn't know how to run the car dealerships he had bought in the area, and had his friends run into the ground. See how the extended welfare works? His claim was "nissan knew he was a young athlete inexperienced in the motor vehicle sales business" THEY SETTLED WITH HIM and his friends/family were making money by doing nothing for over a decade.

Giving the Taboo book as a source shows how full of crap you are, there is no real evidence in that entire book. Cherry picked information.

 

[Liverlips]

"This thread clearly reads "There is a simple obvious reason that there are no white corners in the NFL " meaning that this post is specifically about why white players do not play corner-back"

And you said it was because whites are not quick enough. But look at all the examples I gave. Why are they qucik enough in boxing, MMA, tennis, soccer, high school football ...?

 

[spiritofspook]

So in your first three posts you have attacked the entire foundation of this site. According to you everything we believe in is false. What is your race and what exactly is your purpose? To claim this entire site is an illusion? Maybe if you'd read through the mountain of evidence on this site that a caste system does exist in American sports you'd think differently. You decided not to.

If you had read my posts you would probably get the picture that i am black. My purpose... well its a pastime of mine to observe racial issues from all sided. Im currently applying to PHD programs in sociology and I have always found... unpopular opinions on race that ONLY can be heard on the internet fascinating. Im also in constant search for opinions and truths that dont fit my own. I like to evaluate where my ideals stand and if they stand on the side of reason. My goal here is simply to engage in discourse and observe, learn, and hopefully teach (I am a teacher btw). If you are so confident in your own truth surely you wouldnt mind a dissenting opinion (of which i have seen little on this forum)

You have a point in saying that i have decided not to bother going through the "mountain" of evidence posted here. I did go through the "afletic cornerback" thread. I looked in the running back averages thread, the RG3 thread, and a bunch of other threads. I don't see much evidence. I see a lot of backhanded quasi offensive statements about black athletes. I see a lot of people quoting numbers from the combine and pointing out relatively unknown players with great measurables that "never got a chance." I see a ton of cherry picking and logical fallacies, and a ton of denial. I hardly see evidence. I think the evidence is very much in the reality of pro sports.

You know why MMA is one of the most popular sports in the country now? Becuase it easily attracts white viewers. They see white athletes that look like them prominently featured and they become instant fans. They love the culture of badassery, the gladiator aesthetics, etc. MMA has done an excellent job of making stars out of their white athletes, and you dont have to be racists to appreciate the familiar. Because of this Dana White is a multi millionaire, while Boxing, cant seem to get anybody to care about anyone but their biggest(only) star who is a loudmouth ghetto black stereotype that most whites want to see get beat up.

You all (this site as a whole) mean to postulate that the NFL and the NBA, the two biggest (most lucrative?) sports entities in the country are PURPOSEFULLY cutting into their own profits to promote a racial agenda? WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS? Dwid made the highly specious argument of it as an extension of the welfare system... uh no that makes no sense. Aside from the fact that this is a highly ineffective way to stretch the welfare system for blacks, and that the majority of welfare recipients are white, and that the majority of welfare is doled out for unemployment, and that Corporate welfare is MUCH more costly... it still would have to be at the compliance of thousands of coaches, scouts, athletic directors, trustee board members, boosters, and fans across the country who are all predominately white (especially college fans). Why would they cut their own throats for the sake of undeserving blacks? Im sorry if this offends you but it is quite preposterous.

So if the fact that i have rejected combine numbers in favor of reality, or that im black means that i am not worthy of your attention or consideration, fine. However it doesnt change the validity of the point im making. Please if you can take some time to edify me here so i dont have to rummage through other threads with much less intelligent arguments FULL OF CAPITALIZED LETTERS. Ive seen others hint at the fact that "black" people arent the enemy as it pertains to race relations in this country. Maybe there is hope after all.

 

[Liverlips]

"A good book to look up that supports this is called "Taboo: Why black athletes dominate sports..."

We've all read Entine's joke of a book. But, again, if true, why do whites win most of the medals in the Summer Olympics and almost all the medals in the Winter Olympics. Why is it that whites dominate soccer, boxing, baseball, tennis, MMA, wrestling, martial arts, swimming, hockey, cycling?

If we are too slow to play corner why are we quick enough to beat blacks in these sports?

 

[whiteathlete33]

If you had read my posts you would probably get the picture that i am black. My purpose... well its a pastime of mine to observe racial issues from all sided. Im currently applying to PHD programs in sociology and I have always found... unpopular opinions on race that ONLY can be heard on the internet fascinating. Im also in constant search for opinions and truths that dont fit my own. I like to evaluate where my ideals stand and if they stand on the side of reason. My goal here is simply to engage in discourse and observe, learn, and hopefully teach (I am a teacher btw). If you are so confident in your own truth surely you wouldnt mind a dissenting opinion (of which i have seen little on this forum)

You have a point in saying that i have decided not to bother going through the "mountain" of evidence posted here. I did go through the "afletic cornerback" thread. I looked in the running back averages thread, the RG3 thread, and a bunch of other threads. I don't see much evidence. I see a lot of backhanded quasi offensive statements about black athletes. I see a lot of people quoting numbers from the combine and pointing out relatively unknown players with great measurables that "never got a chance." I see a ton of cherry picking and logical fallacies, and a ton of denial. I hardly see evidence. I think the evidence is very much in the reality of pro sports.

You know why MMA is one of the most popular sports in the country now? Becuase it easily attracts white viewers. They see white athletes that look like them prominently featured and they become instant fans. They love the culture of badassery, the gladiator aesthetics, etc. MMA has done an excellent job of making stars out of their white athletes, and you dont have to be racists to appreciate the familiar. Because of this Dana White is a multi millionaire, while Boxing, cant seem to get anybody to care about anyone but their biggest(only) star who is a loudmouth ghetto black stereotype that most whites want to see get beat up.

You all (this site as a whole) mean to postulate that the NFL and the NBA, the two biggest (most lucrative?) sports entities in the country are PURPOSEFULLY cutting into their own profits to promote a racial agenda? WHY WOULD THEY DO THIS? Dwid made the highly specious argument of it as an extension of the welfare system... uh no that makes no sense. Aside from the fact that this is a highly ineffective way to stretch the welfare system for blacks, and that the majority of welfare recipients are white, and that the majority of welfare is doled out for unemployment, and that Corporate welfare is MUCH more costly... it still would have to be at the compliance of thousands of coaches, scouts, athletic directors, trustee board members, boosters, and fans across the country who are all predominately white (especially college fans). Why would they cut their own throats for the sake of undeserving blacks? Im sorry if this offends you but it is quite preposterous.

So if the fact that i have rejected combine numbers in favor of reality, or that im black means that i am not worthy of your attention or consideration, fine. However it doesnt change the validity of the point im making. Please if you can take some time to edify me here so i dont have to rummage through other threads with much less intelligent arguments FULL OF CAPITALIZED LETTERS. Ive seen others hint at the fact that "black" people arent the enemy as it pertains to race relations in this country. Maybe there is hope after all.

Outside of running and basketball what sports exactly do blacks dominate? Not many, and it's proven that they can't fight. Look at how quickly the Eastern Euros cleaned up the heavier boxing divisions once the Iron Curtain fell and they were allowed to box. You have plenty of pro-black websites online, why don't you go play in one of those forums?

 

[dwid]

and winning with White athletes doensn't mean more ticket/jersey sales. Fans will still support a mediocre team that is mostly black (Redskins) they hate White players that play black positions unless they are SUPERSTARS and ELITE at their position. How does this benefit White cornerbacks? even the best cornerbacks get beat quite often, so for a White cornerback not to get the wrath of angry white fans, he would have to be a combination of Woodson and Sanders. There a ton of average (for NFL standards) black athletes, that do not excel anywhere that are adored by the fans, but if a White guy is average, like i mentioned Scott Shanle or maybe Reed Doughty, then they are HATED. How many Shanle jerseys are sold? how many Doughty? How many posts about them if the made one single mistake in a losing game, even winning games? hunrdeds. There are still fans who hate Weddle, and he is an elite player.

 

[Liverlips]

"and that the majority of welfare recipients are white,"

Wrong again:

The most recent racial breakdown of welfare recipients are from 2009. Officially, welfare is now called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The racial makeup of Americans on the dole is as follows: blacks 33.3 percent, whites 31.2 percent, Hispanics 28.8 percent, Asians 2.1 percent and American Indians 1.3 percent.

Why did you think most welfare recipients are white?

 

[spiritofspook]

"This thread clearly reads "There is a simple obvious reason that there are no white corners in the NFL " meaning that this post is specifically about why white players do not play corner-back"

And you said it was because whites are not quick enough. But look at all the examples I gave. Why are they qucik enough in boxing, MMA, tennis, soccer, high school football ...?

Cleary my posts are too long and you arent reading them. I pretty much already said this but...


Blacks are only superior in "fast twitch" muscle fibers. This translates best to basketball and football. MMA is sooooo much more than that. Most significantly is work ethic and mental fortitude. Bottom line is that MMA takes a lot more effort. The average "gifted" athlete is not replete with work ethic and mental fortitude, it is the negative side effect of being gifted. I know from coaching experience that when dealing with black kids from poor neighborhoods, they give up very easily, pout when things dont go their way. It is a highly negative cultural trait common with many black people in and out of poverty. Not a trait that translates well to MMA. Whites also have genetically superiority in upper body traits, hence them being much more prevalent at MMA and offensive line positions.

 

[Liverlips]

"(lets not forget that EVERYONE is from Africa and the idea of "race" is more of a social construct than a scientific one)"

Then why are organ donations matched for race? Why do organs donated from someone of the same race have a much greater chance to be accepted by the body?

Why do two Japanese people not give birth to black babies?

Race is real, genetic, able to be tested, verified. Sociology and "racism" is a construct.

 

[whiteathlete33]

"and that the majority of welfare recipients are white,"

Wrong again:

The most recent racial breakdown of welfare recipients are from 2009. Officially, welfare is now called Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). The racial makeup of Americans on the dole is as follows: blacks 33.3 percent, whites 31.2 percent, Hispanics 28.8 percent, Asians 2.1 percent and American Indians 1.3 percent.

Why did you think most welfare recipients are white?

He's obviously biased in his opinions. Probably listening to Al Sharpton rants as we speak. Considering blacks make up 12 percent of the population being 33 percent of welfare recepients is extremely high. Don't tell him that though.He'll never believe anything coming from a white person.

 

[Liverlips]

"Blacks are only superior in "fast twitch" muscle fibers. This translates best to basketball and football. MMA is sooooo much more than that. Most significantly is work ethic and mental fortitude."

So you say. Your proof?

 

[Liverlips]

"This is why all white high school teams (often from relatively poor rural counties) full of hard working high character players will beat teams with superior athletes. "

Then why aren't they being recruited by colleges?