It's been a good thread, as far as reiterating some of the basics of the Caste System in a way that lurkers can comprehend, given that so many great threads here are now lost in the mists of time and buried by hundreds of thousands of subsequent posts. It's also been a lively thread, which is a good thing considering that the board has been lethargic in recent weeks. It's not necessarily a bad thing to let an opponent on here for a while now and then, especially one who's polite and somewhat knowledgeable.
agree as well. When I was new to the forum I learned the most information when a troll came in questioning the beliefs of people on the site. I don't think one or two trolls that come occasionally will somehow turn the site into the typical dwf forum. We have plenty of knowledgeable posters to refute one or two people. He had some typical questions and the average person isn't going to dig deep on this forum to find all of the discrimination and there is no single thread that takes care of it all, alot has occurred just in the past year alone. It would take a massive amount of work to gather all of this information into one thread. Some of the posters take this information for granted because we constantly keep track of it. The average fan only knows what sportscenter tells him. They might sense some discrimination but don't undertand why, why or to what level/how frequently it occurs, and frankly some people are lazy, they almost need to be spoonfed information. not to mention that the idea of something like this going on in the sport they have been worshipping fory years is hard for many to take in, many will not search the threads.
Its great to be around like minded people and think freely in an enviroment that isn't hostile, but I also don't mind debating an occasional opponent, as long as they have a little substance to their argument. He did and was put down easily.
One point that he mentioned and is frequently mentioned by sportscenter by guys like Skip Bayless is the contribution of slot receivers. Skip called them "little zone busters" as if their contribution is meaningless, he felt guys like Welker were nothing and Jordy Nelson was the ONE exception to the rule (which were almost identical beliefs of the poster, so much that it could have been Skip, definitely someone watching a ton of sportscenter). One point that I feel many dwfs don't understand is that guys like Welker haven't been used like a typical wideout but the contribution is still great and they are still very talented, and they really do the work of two positions merged together. Most do more receiver stuff but someone like Welker is more like a runningback. Its ridiculous that we have guys like Collie and White put in the role of slot receiver. Guys like Shipley can manage and can play both outside/in but Decker/Nelson/Cooper/White/Collie are best suited for the outside in a more prototypical wideout role.
as far as hip flexibility at the corner position, it can't be measured, but you can see it. Its very hard to see on film and many people don't know what they are talking about when they use this term. Its just scout lingo to cover up that they don't know what they are talking about. Most of this stuff is technique and can be taught. The more you beef up the more you will have problems with flexibility but techniques in training have changed (bigger program like USC with mostly black athletes have had these training programs long ago before it was the norm and many schools still do not stress staying loose while beefing up), and these athletes can still loosen up. Its not like they are beefed up to the size of a bodybuilder.
You know how Beebe put up House of Speed? maybe a guy like Sehorn should put up some similar school like "Loose Hips". People think that "loose hips" can't be taught. Its basically being able to backpedal, flip around without loosing much speed. I see it taught to guys all the time, usually black because thats where they put black guys down here. The few Whites I have seen have no trouble learning as well but these guys could learn a ton more at a higher level from more experienced people, they usually get slotted into safety at the next level and not as much time put in with it, so little time spent at the high school level with it, I see even at local FCS level more emphasis on technique. For someone like Hardin to be 6'2 and still be playing corner for so long in college shows that he has tremendous talent. I see so many cornerbacks that are terrible in the NFL and still make it, it keeps getting worse. Pretty much all of the White safeties in the league (even backup) would do a better job than most with some training. Most of the cornerbacks that are considered elite are just good at playing their position.
