The Combine and Pro Days -- the Caste System by the Numbers

[Leonardfan]

dolphins15, this is the kind of post that this thread (and the Caste System) is all about. when it’s laid out so clearly in black and white, it shows how obvious the agenda is. it, too, is as clear as Black (privileged) and White (actively ignored/rejected).

I totally agree. Great post by Dolphins15.


Also back to the Pro Day/Combine coverage. The Combine data is all easily accessible but it's really the pro day information that has amazingly becoming harder to find than it was a few years ago. As Truthteller said - Gil Brandt used to post "blurbs" from most workouts and it slowly trickled to nothing. NFL.com only lists the pro days and no results.

 

[Leonardfan]

Here's one from the Wake Forest Pro day"

Wake Forest WR Alex Bachman ran an unofficial 4.40 40-yard dash at his Pro Day.
Bachman (6'0/190) was reportedly the best athlete at the Pro Day, also recording a 10-foot, 7-inch broad jump. He impressed in front of the 31 NFL teams in attendance and even outperformed likely draft-pick Greg Dortch. Bachman had just 370 receiving yards on 30 receptions during the regular season prior to his nuclear 7/171/0 outing in the Birmingham Bowl. He'll likely have to work his way onto an NFL roster as an undrafted free agent.


Wake Forest WR Greg Dortch ran anywhere from a 4.49 to 4.52 40-yard dash at his Pro Day.
Dortch (5'7/173) didn't run at the NFL Scouting Combine, making this an important day for the speedy wideout. He also excelled in the 3-cone drill and shuttle but the official times weren't reported. 31-of-32 NFL teams were represented at the Pro Day and Dortch felt like he "opened eyes." The productive wideout lacks stature but can certainly find a role on a creative offense. He'll likely be a late-round pick in the NFL Draft.

 

[Don Wassall]

Please, I'm asking again for everyone to understand the purpose of this thread. It is to post actual Combine and Pro Day results, and when possible compare the numbers of black players to those of White players.

General discussion of the Combine, the Draft, sites that do or don't have results, etc., should be posted in the 2019 Draft thread or the general NFL discussion thread.

I've unpinned this thread because there were about 15 off-topic posts in a row until Dolphin15's great post. Now once again we're off topic.

 

[dolphins15]

Youngstown State sprinter and hurdler Chad Zallow took his shot at Youngstown State pro day. Zallow weighted 175 and did 11 reps of 225, had a 39" vert and ran somewhere from 4.25-4.29!

https://twitter.com/Chad_Zallow/status/1109171120576626688

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/zallow-dazzles-at-ysu-football-pro-day/1869748886

 

[white lightning]

Youngstown State sprinter and hurdler Chad Zallow took his shot at Youngstown State pro day. Zallow weighted 175 and did 11 reps of 225, had a 39" vert and ran somewhere from 4.25-4.29!

https://twitter.com/Chad_Zallow/status/1109171120576626688

https://www.wkbn.com/sports/zallow-dazzles-at-ysu-football-pro-day/1869748886

Damn Chad Zallow is like the flash. Rare to see anyone run that fast. Would love to see him get a chance somewhere to show his talent.

 

[Jbull]

AJ Ouellette's proday numbers and where he'd rank vs. guys who participated at the combine. Should have "Upside" written all over him with these numbers haha. We'll see.....

5'9",
205 lbs.
40 - 4.48 secs. (T-4th*) •
Bench - 32 reps (2nd*) •
Vert. - 36" (T-6th*) •

 

[Extra Point]

I just had a discussion on a Bears board about Ryan Nall. I suggested Nall is a viable option for the Bears. Not surprisingly a couple of DWFs bashed Nall, one saying Nall was a slower Jordan Howard.

So I looked up their times. Howard ran a 4.59 40 before the draft and Nall ran a 4.58. I pointed out to the DWF that 4.58 was faster than 4.59.

 

[Leonardfan]

Overlooked Stanford LB Joey Alfieri performed well at his pro day:

6'2" 235lbs, 33.5 inch vert, 9'10" broad jump, 4.53 40

Career numbers:
89 solo / 76 ast tackles - 165 total
26.5 tfl
14 sacks
2 ints
6 PD
2 FF
2 FR

His black teammate at the same position Bobby Okereke was invited to the combine and getting "buzz"

6'1" 239lbs 4.58 40, 33.5 inch vert, 122 inch broad (I believe that converts to about a 10' foot broad jump).

114 solo/126 ast tackles - 240 total
19 tfl
10.5 sacks
1 int
9 pd
3 ff
1 fr


Pretty equal numbers overall with Alfieri leading in sacks and TFLs. They were also used differently in the defense. Alfieri has all the same production against the same teams that Okereke does yet their is no buzz around him. He will probably be another very good white front seven defensive player from Stanford to just be tossed aside by the NFL - Chase Thomas, Thomas Keiser, Ben Gardner to name a few.

 

[Leonardfan]

Chris Johnson Safety North Alabama 6'3 200lbs

Steelers, Chiefs, Lions and Titans all had representatives at the pro day. Below are all of Johnson's numbers.

https://herosports.com/nfl/draft-2019-fcs-pro-days-safeties-top-marks-ajaj



4.42 40
6.61 3-cone
33.5 Vert
15 BP Reps
119 Broad Jump
4.46 20 yd shuttle


Quite a few other white DBs on the list:
Robbie Grimsley
Reid Miller
Joel Dullary
Mitch Fettig

 

[dolphins15]

I have went back through the last 5 combine and documented every skill player running 4.60 or slower. As we at castefootball know there are many black players running slow times. Some of them succeed at the NFL level and some don't. But to even get an invite to the combine they are thought to be some of the best players in college football. These kids are playing at major universities all across the country too (even the SEC where speed is supposed to be everything). The point is these guys have received chances to play major college football and really aren't that fast. But to get invited to the combine they must be better athletes than some of the black kids on their team, so imagine what those kids 40's would be. We are told white kids can't play RB,WR and DB because they are too slow but here are some of the top college players running slow times year in and year out. Like I said these are the best guys imagine what the other kids run. Doing all the research on the high school kids there are so many white kids across the country who should be getting chances.

2020
RB
Clyde Edwards Helaire-LSU-4.60
Darius Anderson-TCU-4.61
JJ Taylor-Arizona-4.61
Salvon Ahmed-Washington-4.62
Brian Herrien-Georgia-4.62
La'Mical Perine-Florida-4.62
Javon Leake-Maryland-4.65
Zack Moss-Utah-4.65
Sewo Olinilua-TCU-4.66
Tony Jones-Notre Dame-4.68
Benny Lemay-Charlotte-4.75

WR
KJ Hill-Ohio State-4.60
Antonio Gandy-Golden-Liberty-4.60
Ben Victor-Ohio State-4.60
Isaiah Hodgins-Oregon State-4.61
Omar Bayless-Arkansas State-4.62
Malcom Perry-Navy-4.63
Tony Brown-Colorado-4.65
Cody White-Michigan State-4.66
Jauan Jennings-Tennessee-4.72
Quintez Cephus-Wisconsin-4.73

2019
RB
David Montgomery-Iowa State-4.63
Benny Snell-Kentucky-4.66
Devin Singletary-FAU-4.66
Alexander Mattison-Boise State-4.67
Nick Brossete-LSU-4.72
Elijah Holyfield-Georgia-4.78

WR
Kelvin Harmon-NC State-4.60
Keesean Johnson-Fresno State-4.60
Jakobi Meyers-NC State-4.63
Nyqwan Murray-FSU-4.63
Jamaris Way-South Alabama-4.63
Lil Jordan Humphrey-Texas-4.75

2018
RB
Mark Walton-Miami-4.60
Kyle Hicks-TCU-4.63
Jarvion Franklin-Western Michigan-4.63
Justin Crawford-West Virginia-4.64
Lavon Coleman-Washington-4.65
Ronald Jones-USC-4.65
Chris Warren-Texas-4.69
Darrel Williams-LSU-4.72
Kamryn Pettway-Auburn-4.74

WR
JMon Moore-Missouri-4.60
Marcell Ateman-Oklahoma State-4.62
Simmie Cobbs-Indiana-4.64
Auden Tate-FSU-4.68
Tavares Martin-Washington State-4.80

2017
RB
Wayne Gallman-Clemson-4.60
Kareem Hunt-Toledo-4.62
Jahad Thomas-Temple-4.62
Dare Ogunbowale-Wisconsin-4.65
Samaje Perine-Oklahoma-4.65
James Conner-Pitt-4.65
Corey Clement-Wisconsin-4.68
Rushell Shell-West Virginia-4.74
Devine Redding-Indiana-4.76

WR
Jerome Lane-Akron-4.60
James Quick-Louisville-4.60
Isaiah Ford-Virginia Tech-4.61
Artavis Scott-Clemson-4.61
Jalen Robinette-Air Force-4.62
Noel Thomas-UCONN-4.63
Keon Hatcher-Arkansas-4.64
Travis Rudolph-FSU-4.65
Kendrick Bourne-Eastern Washington-4.68
Billy Brown-Shepherd-4.70

2016
RB
Kelvin Taylor-Florida-4.60
Peyton Barber-Auburn-4.64
Shadrach Thornton-NC State-4.75

WR
Jalin Marshall-Ohio State-4.60
Rashard Higgins-Colorado State-4.64
Kenny Lawler-Cal-4.64
Caleb Jones-Arizona-4.65
Bralon Addison-Oregon-4.66
Geronimo Allison-Illinois-4.67
Demarcus Ayers-Houston-4.72
Duke Williams-Auburn-4.72
DeRunya Wilson-Mississippi State-4.85

 

[Bucky]

Nice work @dolphins15 . Always nice to display the double standards the caste system is founded on.

 

[Don Wassall]

To cite just one example, Clyde Edwards Helaire runs a 4.60 at 5'7" and still is drafted in the first round! Simply amazing. Toby Gerhart at 6'0" and 230 plus pounds ran a 4.53 and still was viewed by most "draft experts" as a fullback. And when he had no blocking in front of him in Jacksonville when he actually had the extremely rare opportunity to be a starter, he was out of the league the next season. But nothing to see here over the past 40 years, move along and while you're at it bow down to BLM and Corporate Amerika.

 

[Bucky]

To cite just one example, Clyde Edwards Helaire runs a 4.60 at 5'7" and still is drafted in the first round! Simply amazing. Toby Gerhart at 6'0" and 230 plus pounds ran a 4.53 and still was viewed by most "draft experts" as a fullback. And when he had no blocking in front of him in Jacksonville when he actually had the extremely rare opportunity to be a starter, he was out of the league the next season. But nothing to see here over the past 40 years, move along and while you're at it bow down to BLM and Corporate Amerika.

Well said as always I thought the same thing when I saw Helaires pedestrian 40 time. No expert dares call out his average speed and below average size, in fact they simply just say he plays "bigger than he is" or "his game speed is faster." After all he did play with other superhuman negroes in Da SEC.

Lol and yes your last sentence says it all..

 

[wile]

Do the other speed and quickness drills show the same?

 

[Leonardfan]

Do the other speed and quickness drills show the same?

Whites typically are top performers in the other speed/agility drills.

 

[dolphins15]

Do the other speed and quickness drills show the same?

If you're asking if the short shuttle and the 3 cone drill have some bad times from black athletes the answer is yes. Although these drills are typically over looked by the mainstream.

 

[wile]

Black athletic supremacy is mainly narrative and he who controls the narrative especially with trillions of dollars in media saturation controls what needs to be controlled. I am kind of hoping those drills could be combined with the 40 times into an aggregate score that could easily be converted to rhetoric which then could be pounded into the heads of zombie hordes who take their narrative from the evil scum who create the narrative. Secondly white kids or any kids for that matter can be timed doing these just for kicks/competitive drive hell then they can start their own narrative on their own social media while the controllers of the "mainstream" sound ever more unhinged about black supremacy.

As we read on another thread white kids are taking part of black athletic culture to their own might as well be more positive than that idiot black urban ghetto rat culture.

My guess this would expose black fragility on a larger scale then we can imagine, because most probably assume that their results mirror the results of elite black athletes and to find out they lose out to some poor white kid from Palookaville would probably devastate them, while the White kid from Palookaville is a little more comfortable with competing and being bested but importantly competing.

My.02 and a bit off topic sorry

 

[dolphins15]

Black athletic supremacy is mainly narrative and he who controls the narrative especially with trillions of dollars in media saturation controls what needs to be controlled. I am kind of hoping those drills could be combined with the 40 times into an aggregate score that could easily be converted to rhetoric which then could be pounded into the heads of zombie hordes who take their narrative from the evil scum who create the narrative. Secondly white kids or any kids for that matter can be timed doing these just for kicks/competitive drive hell then they can start their own narrative on their own social media while the controllers of the "mainstream" sound ever more unhinged about black supremacy.

As we read on another thread white kids are taking part of black athletic culture to their own might as well be more positive than that idiot black urban ghetto rat culture.

My guess this would expose black fragility on a larger scale then we can imagine, because most probably assume that their results mirror the results of elite black athletes and to find out they lose out to some poor white kid from Palookaville would probably devastate them, while the White kid from Palookaville is a little more comfortable with competing and being bested but importantly competing.

My.02 and a bit off topic sorry

There are formulas (Sparq, RAS) that do what you're talking about. I don't have those formulas though. I was just trying to expose the fact that not all black guys are super fast and not all black guys that get a chance to play college football are fast. I would say if a white RB showed up at LSU's camp and ran say 4.68. They would tell him he's not fast enough to play RB there. Although in the last few years LSU has had 2 RB's run a 4.72. Or say FSU who has had 3 receivers run 4.63 or worse. And what makes it worse to me is those are two of the top programs in the country. Imagine the smaller schools who won't give white kids a chance and what their kids are running. And yet there are countless white kids who dominate high school football, put up great stats, run great times and won't get a chance.

 

[Don Wassall]

How many "Adam Thielen types" could be in the NFL? The sad truth is that Thielen is a rare outlier who overcame all the systemic hurdles that are used to keep college football and the NFL as black as possible, especially at the "speed" positions.

Thielen was helped quite a bit by being on one of the very few NFL teams that give White receivers a chance now and then. It also helped that he went to a small college in Minnesota. Dan Chisena is a physical freak -- 6'3" and runs a 4.3 40, yet "for some reason" had to walk-on both the track and football teams. This article mentions that, but as always never mentions the pattern of genuine "systemic racism" that repeats over and over and over and over and over again. Black wide receivers with Chisena's size-speed ratio are rare and highly fought over when it comes to recruiting and are usually first round draft picks.

Can Vikings Rookie Speedster Follow in Adam Thielen’s Footsteps?

Minnesota’s own Adam Thielen has grown to be a fan favorite among Minnesota Vikings fans. The undrafted prospect out of Minnesota State University of Mankato worked his way through the ranks — first as a practice squad player and then on specials team before becoming a two-time Pro Bowler and one of the NFL’s top wide receivers.

Rookie Dan Chisena hopes to do the same. Like Thielen, Chisena was undrafted out of college and signed after the 2020 NFL Draft. While many rookies are more projected to make a splash in the NFL, an undrafted rookie free agent is rarely a likely candidate. So why the hype for Chisena?

He has blistering straightaway speed and has already beaten the odds several times. Chisena was a walk-on for both Penn State’s track and football teams and later earned himself a full scholarship his senior year.

Chisena’s Track Star Days And Friday Night Lights
In high school, Chisena was an all-conference wide receiver and state champion track runner, winning the 100, 200 and 4×100 relay as a senior. He walked on to Penn State’s football and track teams his freshman year and earned a track scholarship that prohibited him from playing on both teams as a sophomore.

“Ultimately, made the decision to help out my family financially and try to excel at one sport instead of be average at two and decided to run track for a couple years,” Chisena told Vikings.com.

Chisena became far from average as a sprinter.

He was an All-American and helped the Nittany Lions win the Big 10 championship in 2017 and break several school records in the process. An injury his junior year in 2018 led him to reconvene with Penn State football coach James Franklin, who gave Chisena a second chance at football. He played in 12 games in 2019 for the Nittany Lions, who finished the season ranked ninth in the FBS.

Following Adam Thielen’s Path

GettyAdam Thielen started as a special team player before becoming an elite wide receiver.

Finishing his entire football career with just three catches for 66 yards, Chisena wasn’t drafted for his production in college, but rather, his potential.

Chisena ran an unofficial 4.32 40-yard dash, which would be the third-best time among all 2020 NFL draft picks. He’s big too. Standing 6-foot-3, Chisena is an inch taller than Thielen and could serve as a size and speed weapon for the Vikings who are lacking in deep threat receivers.

But what’s made Thielen into an NFL star is his route-running ability and dogged work ethic over the years. Chisena, who’s been running in straight lines for most of his athletic career, will have an opportunity to finally hone in on his football abilities for the first time in his career. There’s plenty of work to be done, and at age 23, he’s a bit older than the ideal project wide receiver.

A start could be on special teams as a gunner and a blocker on punt team, two positions Thielen played as he pushed himself up the Vikings depth chart.

Come training camp on July 28, Chisena will have a chance to compete for a roster spot and make something of himself as one of the Vikings’ most intriguing developmental talents.

“I’m going to go in and do the best that I can with the opportunities that I’m given, and do whatever I can to help this team… at receiver or on special teams,” Chisena said. “I’m just looking forward to being grateful for whatever opportunities come my way and trying to take advantage of them and letting the things I can’t control take care of themselves.

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/07/minnesota-vikings-dan-chisena-adam-thielen/

 

[Shadowlight]

I wanted to piggy back on the Chisena discussion above so I figured this is a good spot for an update on the UDFA wide receivers.

From my "I'm not a GM but I play one on TV" impersonation I would have recruited Chisena out of high school but I wouldn't have drafted him because as many know I am not a big fan of White speedsters. Ha.

Simple. There were other White wide receivers I would have chosen instead. I don't have qualms about drafting special teams specialists ( fetchers and returners) but I would have nabbed Nate Cottrell who is currently listed as a RB on the Jags roster.

With Chisena, despite a great post season lower level all star performance, there just wasn't enough play on the field to determine much of anything beyond his great speed etc.. I think he caught 3 passes for 66 yards. The problem with such a promising player is (as Don mentioned above) he should have been recruited out of high school. Chances are pretty good if he was black he would have landed on a Power 5 school. If not that a prominent school one way or another. He got caught in that White Limbo Zone. Translation he was ignored.

So the hope is Dan finds a way to wiggle in on special teams and hopefully they will continue to develop his receiving skills. A bit of a long shot but I'll be rooting hard for him every step of the way.

Too bad Matthew Sexton and Michael Dean weren't picked up by any teams. Both offer great special teams talent too. And Taysom Hill type Tom Flacco was also mysteriously left out of free agency.

There are a few rumblings that UDFA from last year David Sills might make the Giants roster. He did have a cup of coffee late last year but didn't play. Probably a 50-50 chance at this point. Let's hope. A Daniel Jones-David Sills pairing sounds real appetizing.

Below are UDFA's who have a very slim to make a roster.

JJ Koski ( Rams)

John Hurst ( Bucs). Looks great on tape.

Dalton Schoen ( Chargers). I read he will likely be a casualty of the new COVID rules that will limit the number of players at practice so they might not see him at all. A shame.

Two receivers who have a shot.

Chris Finke ( 49ers). Actually I am hedging here because I think he is a long shot but if they need a punt returner they will give him a long look in the two preseason games. They have reduced the number from four due to COVID. But just to show you the rampant stupidity around an updated report mentions his 4.57 speed ( which he ran at the combine) as being just OK. All the while the same analyst discusses "concerns" about the hamstring injury Finke was dealing with at the combine. Can this SOB actually add simple numbers? Duh. If he had a hamstring injury then that 40 yard dash time would have been affected. These people get paid? Finke has a great nickname: The Slippery Fox.

Mason Kinsey ( Titans). When following his pre draft process I mentioned here at CF he reminds me of Adam Thielen. Obviously he should have been drafted. But maybe something good will happen despite that. How about a nifty omen! Kinsey's number is 19, the same as Thielen's of course. And word is he has a decent shot to make the roster. Naturally things often fall apart so no need to jump up and down just yet. But it is absurd to think a player of Kinsey's caliber doesn't end up playing in the NFL.

One more player who belongs on the first list slim chances list up above.

Will Hastings ( Patriots). His chances are pretty slim but along with the repeated skull shots he suffered last season his 4.5 plus 40 yard dash he ran on his pro indicates to me he still hasn't recovered from his ACL tear he suffered in his junior year. In fact he had to have an additional surgery. Before that Hasting was known as "White Lightning" and see below several highlight videos when he was healthy. He was running in the 4.3 range before the injury.

https://www.patspulpit.com/2020/7/1...ee-agent-profiles-wide-receiver-will-hastings

 

[Leonardfan]

I wanted to piggy back on the Chisena discussion above so I figured this is a good spot for an update on the UDFA wide receivers.

From my "I'm not a GM but I play one on TV" impersonation I would have recruited Chisena out of high school but I wouldn't have drafted him because as many know I am not a big fan of White speedsters. Ha.

Simple. There were other White wide receivers I would have chosen instead. I don't have qualms about drafting special teams specialists ( fetchers and returners) but I would have nabbed Nate Cottrell who is currently listed as a RB on the Jags roster.

With Chisena, despite a great post season lower level all star performance, there just wasn't enough play on the field to determine much of anything beyond his great speed etc.. I think he caught 3 passes for 66 yards. The problem with such a promising player is (as Don mentioned above) he should have been recruited out of high school. Chances are pretty good if he was black he would have landed on a Power 5 school. If not that a prominent school one way or another. He got caught in that White Limbo Zone. Translation he was ignored.

So the hope is Dan finds a way to wiggle in on special teams and hopefully they will continue to develop his receiving skills. A bit of a long shot but I'll be rooting hard for him every step of the way.

Too bad Matthew Sexton and Michael Dean weren't picked up by any teams. Both offer great special teams talent too. And Taysom Hill type Tom Flacco was also mysteriously left out of free agency.

There are a few rumblings that UDFA from last year David Sills might make the Giants roster. He did have a cup of coffee late last year but didn't play. Probably a 50-50 chance at this point. Let's hope. A Daniel Jones-David Sills pairing sounds real appetizing.

Below are UDFA's who have a very slim to make a roster.

JJ Koski ( Rams)

John Hurst ( Bucs). Looks great on tape.

Dalton Schoen ( Chargers). I read he will likely be a casualty of the new COVID rules that will limit the number of players at practice so they might not see him at all. A shame.

Two receivers who have a shot.

Chris Finke ( 49ers). Actually I am hedging here because I think he is a long shot but if they need a punt returner they will give him a long look in the two preseason games. They have reduced the number from four due to COVID. But just to show you the rampant stupidity around the updated report mentions his 4.57 speed ( which he ran at the combine) as being just OK. All the while the same analyst discusses "concerns" about the hamstring injury Finke was dealing with at the combine. Can this SOB actually add simple numbers? Duh. If he had a hamstring injury then that 40 yard dash time would have been affected. These people get paid? Finke has a great nickname: The Slippery Fox.

Mason Kinsey ( Titans). When following his pre draft process I mentioned here at CF he reminds me of Adam Thielen. Obviously he should have been drafted. But maybe something good will happen despite that. How about a nifty omen! Kinsey's number is 19, the same as Thielen's of course. And word is he has a decent shot to make the roster. Naturally things often fall apart so no need to jump up and down just yet. But it is absurd to think a player of Kinsey's caliber doesn't end up playing in the NFL.

One more player who belongs on the first list slim chances list up above.

Will Hastings ( Patriots). His chances are pretty slim but along with the repeated skull shots he suffered last season his 4.5 plus 40 yard dash he ran on his pro indicates to me he still hasn't recovered from his ACL tear he suffered in his junior year. In fact he had to have an additional surgery. Before that Hasting was known as "White Lightning" and see below several highlight videos when he was healthy. He was running in the 4.3 range before the injury.

https://www.patspulpit.com/2020/7/1...ee-agent-profiles-wide-receiver-will-hastings

The lack of preseason games is a shame because we typically get to see white players show up and play well. Of course they are discarded but my favorite part of the NFL season these days is the preseason games - seeing white players go out there and prove they are in many cases better than their black counterparts even though they get screwed over come cut time. This whole covid thing and the BLM seems to be convenient in terms of wanting to further blacken the NFL. I am not sure what the rules will be for this season - expanded rosters? expanded practice squads? but it will be interesting to ultimately see what occurs once the season is here.

 

[Rocky B]

What’s the chance Nall gets beat out for a roster spot by his ex OSU teammate Pierce?
Nall is bigger, faster and had better college numbers than Montgomery, but Montgomery was handed the position...Nall had a better career at OSU than Pierce (who the Bears signed undrafted) had monster numbers in two preseasons and still is talked about as not being a real running back....You just can’t make this crap up.....

 

[white is right]

What’s the chance Nall gets beat out for a roster spot by his ex OSU teammate Pierce?
Nall is bigger, faster and had better college numbers than Montgomery, but Montgomery was handed the position...Nall had a better career at OSU than Pierce (who the Bears signed undrafted) had monster numbers in two preseasons and still is talked about as not being a real running back....You just can’t make this crap up.....

My impression on Nall is he was literally the 54th man during his first camp with team(yeah I know it's ridiculous that he never made the team that year). As for his second year his camp wasn't as good statistically and it seemed like he was cut to be stashed on the practice squad until running backs were cut.

With the rosters expanding to 55 he should have an inside track for making the team but Nagy literally has no use for him or at best has limited use so anything is possible.

 

[Leonardfan]

What’s the chance Nall gets beat out for a roster spot by his ex OSU teammate Pierce?
Nall is bigger, faster and had better college numbers than Montgomery, but Montgomery was handed the position...Nall had a better career at OSU than Pierce (who the Bears signed undrafted) had monster numbers in two preseasons and still is talked about as not being a real running back....You just can’t make this crap up.....

So Nall is now a TE/RB - The Bears have 9 TEs on the roster and 5 RBs on the roster. Pierce is 24 right now - ancient for a rookie and weenieworld would say something like that if Pierce were white. Nall has been in the league for 2 seasons now and is still getting dicked around by the rodent. It's ********.

 

[Rocky B]

So Nall is now a TE/RB - The Bears have 9 TEs on the roster and 5 RBs on the roster. Pierce is 24 right now - ancient for a rookie and weenieworld would say something like that if Pierce were white. Nall has been in the league for 2 seasons now and is still getting dicked around by the rodent. It's ********.

That was just an old college review on him.....They projected him as a TE....
He’s still a running back.....As a Pittsburgh guy, I’d love to see him there....Bigger and faster than most...I haven’t done an A/B on Nall vs Steeler backs, but I bet Nall is bigger, faster and has better college ypc than the others....And 2 large pre season runs on his resume.....Nothing against Connor, Snell or McFarland......I’ll take Nall......Reverse racism and I despise the R word....