Sumo Watch

[Deadlift]

meanwhile, "Mount" Cody has been sitting on the sidelines with an injured knee that buckled under his own weight in his last game.

i'm sure he's really been hitting the exercise bike during rehab.

I think I found his twin... super-obese Anthony Parker, a member of the Vols' sumo O-line. He is probably close to 340 pounds.

I watched a lot of yesterday's Tennessee/South Carolina game and Mr. Parker appeared to be the fattest (yes, even fatter than sumo Chris Scott) linemen.

Why am I posting this? A few reasons: Apparently he's a Senior. I don't think any of us would be surprised if he gets drafted.

And, I find it interesting that "the elephant in the room" is ignored. The announcers go on-and-on about how "everyone is simply perplexed at the ineffectiveness of the Tennessee offense" -- but they don't mention how sluggish and grossly obese the linemen are. They were also kissing Fulmer's ass. And they also want us to assume "that just because it's the Tennessee Vols" -- Fulmer works his team hard in practice and has them well conditioned.

Sorry, I just don't buy it! Grossly obese "athletes" have no place on a football field.


Apparently, Oklahoma has offered yet another sumo.

http://jcfootball.scout.com/a.z?s=87&p=8&c=1&nid=4016679


"Plantation mentality" -- anyone? There must be an inside joke somewhere. Coaches must get together and have a mighty laugh about who beez fielding the heaviest buck. Am I getting warmer?....

 

[foreverfree]

From my personal observation of many years among the common black person, most come in two shapes - trim, tall and athletic (skill players in the NFL and all black NBA players), or somewhat short, and obese (NFL linemen). There really is no in-between if you observe the common (pure-blooded) black male at the swimming pool, gym, or any where else they show their physique. Even in native African tribes, you'll see the occasionally fatso amidst the otherwise skinny people. It truly is a race of physique extremes.

Did this observation of "common black persons" take place in Africa? I imagine if I moved back to Chester, Pennsylvania my experience would be similar to yours - but I don't want to chance it.*

Is "junk food" and drink as readily available in Nairobi as it is in North Philadelphia?

And getting back close to the topic, I saw footage of Gene Upshaw in action for the Raiders shortly after he died and he looked pretty well built too.

*Even with a racetrack/casino now open in Chester and Philly's MLS team coming in 2010 (they'll play in a new soccer specific stadium in Chester).

JohnEdited by: foreverfree

 

[FieldThrower]

Did this observation of "common black persons" take place in Africa? I imagine if I moved back to Chester, Pennsylvania my experience would be similar to yours - but I don't want to chance it.*

It was a personal observation of living around blacks in a medium-sized urban area in the southeastern US. Probably not too scientific or exhaustive of a "case study". I don't have much familiarity with Africa, but have seen some National Geographic type stuff, and a lot of depictions in film. It doesn't seem that fat is done in moderation among them. I'd like to see an exception to my "rule", but as of yet I've seen very few, if any exceptions. Most exceptions were heavily mixed with White and Amerindian blood. Edited by: FieldThrower

 

[celticdb15]

Well it now seems the scouts only plan on scouting these superior affletes. Take a look at any mock draft they have 5 black ol goin in the first round. Whities need not apply untill round 3!

It's funny how they have the rams, cardinals, bengals,oakland, and pittsburgh all picking blacks! Haven't they kept with this pattern the last several years and their lines still suck?? I am not in favor with the black o-linemen. Maybe i am biased but as a coach i would rather have a 6'4 290 pound guard (white very rare black) that can pull and get to the second level to block lb's than a 6'4 330(black) pound guy who uses their "superior" strength in fat to lean on people! Its just sickening! I have no clue how they think these fatasses can play tackle in the league with so many pass rushers at DE? Or is that a double standard to the white tackle that only he can be a liability in pass protection?

 

[Deadlift]

Well it now seems the  scouts only plan on scouting these superior affletes. Take a look at any mock draft they have 5 black ol goin in the first round. Whities need not apply untill round 3!

 It's funny how they have the rams, cardinals, bengals,oakland, and pittsburgh all picking blacks! Haven't they kept with this pattern the last several years and their lines still suck?? I am not in favor with the black o-linemen. Maybe i am biased but as a coach i would rather have a 6'4 290 pound guard (white very rare black) that can pull and get to the second level to block lb's than a 6'4 330(black) pound guy who uses their "superior" strength in fat to lean on people! Its just sickening! I have no clue how they think these fatasses can play tackle in the league with so many pass rushers at DE? Or is that a double standard to the white tackle that only he can be a liability in pass protection?

Don't forget, Seattle needs to replace Walter Jones.

Late in the Ole Miss/Alabama game, DE Bobby Greenwood manhandled Michael Oher and then jumped up and batted Jevan Snead's ball away. I don't think Oher is superhuman.

Phil Loadholt is an incredibly overrated statue. I might as well not comment on the affletic underclassmen because who knows if they'll enter the Draft.

Maybe Buffalo and Dallas could use more sumos as well...

 

[celticdb15]

Yeah i really would like to talk to an nfl scout some time. Just sit down and ask them their thought proccess!!! Why are you so in love with fat black men? Haha i guess i shouldn't let this get to me. Every year underrated white o-linemen find starting spots on teams but it goes unnoticed. After the early rounds nearly all the black prospects drop off and it is usually white guys.

 

[celticdb15]

Btw maybe Dallas should move one of these guys to center so they can snap the ball over Romo's head(cough coughAndre Gurode)with their super human strength!!

 

[Jimmy Chitwood]

compare the fat ass black sumos the NFL and so many collegiate coaches love to the opposite type of o-linemen that are available. namely, white linemen like Derek Hardman from Eastern Kentucky.

Hardman is 6-6 and a lean 282-pounds. in addition to being a terrific basketball player in high school, get this! he was an all-state performer in the 110-meter hurdles.

so much for there not being any athletic big white men.

Derek Hardman

 

[celticdb15]

Exactly Jimmy!! The majority of white o-linemen are leaner its a FACT

 

[whiteathlete33]

Lets not forget about Joe Staley who is a tremendous athlete.

 

[PhillyBirds]

The Eagles' John Runyan was a scholarship prospect at Michigan for basketball before he chose to play football.

 

[celticdb15]

Thats a cool fact about Runyan Philly Birds. Staley is one hell of an athlete with his size didn't he run a 4.9 40? Thats really movin! Another guy is Browns tackle Joe Thomas another lean 6'7 320 pound guy who also ran a 5.00 flat 40 i think, not to mention his great pro agility time!

 

[celticdb15]

Joe Thomas


Height: 6-6½.


Weight: 311 pounds.


Hand size: 10 1/8 inches.


Arm length: 33 1/4 inches.


40- 4.96

 

[Don Wassall]

Gotta give Dr. Z of SI some credit. His midseason All Pro team is all white on the o-line, which takes a bit of courage in this age of relentless Caste enforcement by the media. Instead of selecting the same old over-rated over-the-hill sumos,Dr. Z's team hasJordan Gross (Panthers), Michael Roos (Titans), and Marc Colombo (Cowboys) at tackle; Pete Kendall (Redskins) and Chris Snee (Giants) at guard; and Ryan Kalil (Panthers) and Nick Mangold (Jets) at center. Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[Thrashen]

Actually, Marc Colombo is now the RT for the Cowboys.

Jon Tait is the Bears RT. However, since the Bears are in love with sumos, I'm sure they'll draft another forgettable black fatty to replace Tait soon enough.

 

[Don Wassall]

Oops, that was my late night mistake on Colombo. Edited and corrected.

 

[Deadlift]

Jonas Jennings is out for the season.

Orlando Pace might just be out for the season.

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This is the year of the injured sumo. This trend will likely continue.

Using high draft picks on sumos is very risky (Mike Williams, anyone?). Ryan Sims, also taken in 2002, is a good example. Then there's Bryant McKinnie, taken right after Sims' at #7!

Wasted picks!! Buffalo took Mike Williams. Kansas City took Sims. Minnesota took McKinnie.

Those atrocious picks definitely set back Buffalo and Kansas City!


On average, I would say that sumos have a 10 year NFL life-span. This, of course, doesn't stop teams from trying to get 12 and 13 years out of their broken-bodied athletes. The QB's health be damned...

Of course, the "athletes" will play a few extra years and take the fat paycheck, but they'll be awful on the field and get their "mates" injured.

 

[Deadlift]

The Ultimate Bust: How NFL Drafting has somewhat Changed post-Mike Williams

Michael D. Williams (born January 11, 1980 in Dallas, Texas) is a former American football offensive tackle in the National Football League. He was drafted by the Buffalo Bills out of the University of Texas with the fourth overall pick of the 2002 NFL Draft. Weighing 360 lbs, Williams seemed destined to be the anchor of the AFC's heaviest offense. But, in hindsight, many observers now consider the Tom Donahoe's decision to draft Williams to be one of his biggest mistakes as Bills GM.

While he provided fair run blocking on the right side, Williams failed to show a flair for pass blocking and remained an unpolished player. Due to continued woes on the Bills' offensive line, Williams was moved by the coaching staff to left guard in order to assess his talents on the inside of the line. This tryout, though, was cut short by Williams' semi-frequent injuries.

After the 2005 season, Williams was cut. He signed with the Jacksonville Jaguars on March 14, 2006 but was placed on injured reserve on August 29, ending his season.


EDIT: From Wikipedia. Deleted link because it wouldn't work.

I watched the 2002 Draft, but can anyone answer this question. I'm pretty sure that the talking-heads were together in saying - "this was a good pic!" I think they were pushing the "big = good" Caste line.

Onto the question... We know Kiper's an idiot and I believe Mike Williams was very high on his board. Does anyone know exactly where Mike Williams' was on Kiper's "best available" list that they show during the Draft? Top 10 would be my guess.

I wasn't really thinking about "race and sports" back then or I would have taken notes. I also wasn't "in awe" of the superhumans flashing before my eyes. Even if one is not totally awake, it's still possible to see the charade and artificialness.
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The NFL will still draft 350+ pounders, but there is a tendency to pick them lower these days.

If guys like Andre Smith (Alabama), Phil Loadholt and Duke Robinson (both Oklahoma) are drafted particularly high, they'll be good potential bust candidates.

Michael Oher may have slimmed down, but if he goes to St. Louis or Oakland or Seattle or Cincinnati, that team might not really be better. Eugene Monroe (Virginia) is not a "game-changing" OT, but still might be a 1st or early 2nd pick.


There should be a number of Joe Thomas/Jake Long-prototypes in the next few draft classes -- Lee Ziemba (might be a natural RT), Carimi, Bulaga, Hix, Kyle Jolly, etc.

I think some college programs have finally realized the importance of providing protection for the QB, which is why I'm seeing some lower-rated Whites starting over the higher-rated "stud athletes" (according to Rivals). That development makes me feel good. Why bring in these slugs in the first place? If the starters happen to get injured, these slugs will get EXPOSED. I'm sure the "team fans" would love that...

If teams want first-rate QB's, they need to provide a first-rate line! Make's sense right?





Edited by: Deadlift

 

[Deadlift]

News and notes:


1) The Outland Trophy finalists are Michael Oher, Duke Robinson and Andre Smith.

They are definitely trying to give a certain impression, but how many White lineman are going to have better NFL careers compared to super-obese Andre Smith (in particular)? The answer is several.


2) Super-obese Jeff Otah walks like he's 60 years old. He could very well turn out to be a wasted pick by the Carolina Panthers. No longevity.


3) Marcus McNeil was his terrible self against Indy! He face-masked Dwight Freeney a couple times, but it wasn't called. Just another statue (tall & stiff). Did you guys see him getting absolutely-manhandled on a bull rush? Super-strength?! The best height for an OT is 6-4 to 6-6. These statues routinely get embarrassed by 6-1 and 6-2 DE's -- and they tend to be awkward and inefficient when run-blocking.

Jon Stinchcomb is a beast of a run-blocker. He's an athletic freak. So quick.


4) Iowa Running Back, Shonn Greene, is a finalist for the Doak Walker.

You guessed it... Iowa has an ALL-White line! This line includes super-athletic sophomore, Bryan Bulaga, at left tackle and a junior, Kyle Calloway, at right tackle.

Knowshon Moreno is also a finalist. He has super-athletic sophomore, Clint Boling, as a guard. Center - Chris Davis - has been impressive as well.

Will some of these White athletes be award finalists in a year or two?? Or will their skin be deemed a tad too light?


Oregon State's left tackle, Andy Levitre (Senior), is very good. Oregon has Max Unger (Senior).

LSU's sumo lines (OL/DL) have been terrible!

If anyone has more sumo news, please report it!

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Look at this picture. Really something isn't it? Part of an ESPN article on "NFL Big Men." Warning: "room brightening smile" will appear if you click the following link.

[url]http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?page=hotread11/bigm en[/url]

 

[Deadlift]

Thanks for the post Colonel.


They look deranged in the picture you posted, and I think that was the intention. Because, in the article, they are going the "human interest story" route -- "People are scared of us but they shouldn't be because we have big hearts."

That's fine and dandy, but the article seemed to be largely pointless. Maybe it's a good thing that they only talked about blacks - because, as we know, White lineman tend to be leaner.

White lineman are often times taller than black lineman. Guys like Jon Runyan, Joe Thomas, Jake Long, Michael Roos and Robert Gallery aren't exactly midgets. Also, look at the physical specimens in World's strongest man.

 

[Don Wassall]

The sumo fetish continues unabated, as all of the o-linemen on AP's 2008 All-American team are black -- tackles Andre Smith of Alabama and Michael Oher of Mississippi; guards Duke Robinson of Oklahoma and Herman Johnson of LSU; and center Antoine Caldwell of Alabama.

 

[Bart]

The sumo fetish continues unabated, as all of the o-linemen on AP's 2008 All-American team are black -- tackles Andre Smith of Alabama and Michael Oher of Mississippi; guards Duke Robinson of Oklahoma and Herman Johnson of LSU; and center Antoine Caldwell of Alabama.

You gotta be kidding me!

 

[Freethinker]

The sumo fetish continues unabated, as all of the o-linemen on AP's 2008 All-American team are black --  tackles Andre Smith of Alabama and Michael Oher of Mississippi; guards Duke Robinson of Oklahoma and Herman Johnson of LSU; and center Antoine Caldwell of Alabama. 

You gotta be kidding me! 

Just 5 more players that will get drafted 1st round, have a few good years, then suck and contribute to a perennial bad offensive line year after year while their white teammates take all the blame. I can't wait

 

[whiteathlete33]

Now they want to make the offensive line as black as the defensive line. Offensive line especially should be about 85 percent white. All the top colleges want to draft sumos lately.