Steroids and Black Athletes

[Don Wassall]

Lots of NFL cornerbacks ran 4.60 and slower 40s coming out of college. That's just one example of the cognitive dissonance involved in believing the mythology of the Caste System. White RBs who run 4.6 are turned into fullbacks or tight ends or linebackers. White receivers who run 4.60 are beefed up into tight ends. White safeties that run 4.60 are just out of luck, as are most White RBs and WRs.

Yet an announcer can say during a broadcast that such and such cornerback ran a 4.65 at the Combine or his Pro Day, and the audience still believes him to be fast, faster and more qualified to play cornerback than any Whites.

When a really fast black makes plays that show off his speed, whether on offense or defense, that's evidence right there that most of the blacks at the "speed" positions playing against him aren't nearly that fast, as they fall more in that much larger area of average football speed, which is where many Whites fall. And of course there are many Whites with exceptional speed, but they are usually screwed over whether in college or by the NFL, or they simply play sports like baseball and lacrosse. Even Jeremy Wariner, who won the Olympic gold medal in the 400 meters in 2004, had to walk on to the Baylor football program.

 

[LucasBryant]

I could not disagree with you more about your description of black people. Honestly, not one word of your description is intellectually honest nor backed up by anything remotely close to fact in comparison to any true rational measure. I don’t disagree with you about the description of whites in general but your general description of blacks is just ridiculous and nonsensical.

Honestly, are you truly so ignorant to believe that blacks can’t handle anything except speed related tasks?

Football, baseball, basketball and soccer are all about more than speed so is boxing and mixed martial arts as is kick boxing. Yet blacks have had countless champions and excellent all-round competitors in all of those. The armed forces also has lots of blacks which perform under pressure with physical and mental and emotional components all involved.

Your previously reply is an example of how truly ridiculously some whites can be when it comes to understanding or intellectually addressing the differences and issues of race relations.

I served in the infantry, worked in blue collar and white collar jobs plus played numerous sports with blacks by entire life thus far...nothing I’ve ever experienced is even remotely close to the ridiculous general description you gave.

I'll give my opinion on this. To me, I'm not impressed by black people's overall physical abilities. But I'm not talking about sports that much. I never really took part in any sports past my boyhood. But I have lived a very physical life combing work as a boy (always physical, even worked as a farm laborer once when I was 16, upstate NY - also had a job moving pianos) and when I graduated HS went into the USMC the home office of physical activity (if your in a combat platoon, you will extend yourself physically like never before or after in life). I hope none of you ever have to experience that. And then afterward, working at my trade as an Ironworker until retirement. But in all that time, I ran across very few blacks who could measure up physically to a White man. Especially if the physical activity included thought and not just raw motion. Any concept of combining thought, physical and emotional concepts together is beyond them. all they are, are thoughtless reflex. They understand that to some extent. That's why they're always cheating somehow, as in using steroids. They know they have to. I will give them their speed. They seem to be able to run fast. But if there's something else involved along with the speed, they will not be able to cope with it. This is from years of personal experience with them and observing them from different vantage points. I hope that's helpful.

 

[LucasBryant]

Don, you are absolutely and without even a smidgen of a doubt, 100% correct! The opportunities and intention blocking and the intentional discouragement from an early age along with the social brainwashing are in full operation against whites in the areas you gave along with many more. Well said! Shout it from the rooftops brother...I do.

Lots of NFL cornerbacks ran 4.60 and slower 40s coming out of college. That's just one example of the cognitive dissonance involved in believing the mythology of the Caste System. White RBs who run 4.6 are turned into fullbacks or tight ends or linebackers. White receivers who run 4.60 are beefed up into tight ends. White safeties that run 4.60 are just out of luck, as are most White RBs and WRs.

Yet an announcer can say during a broadcast that such and such cornerback ran a 4.65 at the Combine or his Pro Day, and the audience still believes him to be fast, faster and more qualified to play cornerback than any Whites.

When a really fast black makes plays that show off his speed, whether on offense or defense, that's evidence right there that most of the blacks at the "speed" positions playing against him aren't nearly that fast, as they fall more in that much larger area of average football speed, which is where many Whites fall. And of course there are many Whites with exceptional speed, but they are usually screwed over whether in college or by the NFL, or they simply play sports like baseball and lacrosse. Even Jeremy Wariner, who won the Olympic gold medal in the 400 meters in 2004, had to walk on to the Baylor football program.

 

[Arerequired]

I could not disagree with you more about your description of black people. Honestly, not one word of your description is intellectually honest nor backed up by anything remotely close to fact in comparison to any true rational measure. I don’t disagree with you about the description of whites in general but your general description of blacks is just ridiculous and nonsensical.

Honestly, are you truly so ignorant to believe that blacks can’t handle anything except speed related tasks?

Football, baseball, basketball and soccer are all about more than speed so is boxing and mixed martial arts as is kick boxing. Yet blacks have had countless champions and excellent all-round competitors in all of those. The armed forces also has lots of blacks which perform under pressure with physical and mental and emotional components all involved.

Your previously reply is an example of how truly ridiculously some whites can be when it comes to understanding or intellectually addressing the differences and issues of race relations.

I served in the infantry, worked in blue collar and white collar jobs plus played numerous sports with blacks by entire life thus far...nothing I’ve ever experienced is even remotely close to the ridiculous general description you gave.

Yes, blacks have many competitors which excel, but it's not without it's heap of anti-white bias and pro-black bias/manipulation helping them (not discounting that they would still competitors that excel in sports, just that an ameliorating factor would be removed), and I'm not really sure about baseball... What about the SEALs, vast white over-representation, (not saying they are representative of the average white in any way but you could certainly make the case whites handle military rigor better, on average)? Blacks are also actually under-represented in combat roles and elite units in general, I would say it's fair. TomIrons comment seems extreme but there is really no need to defend blacks or nonwhites at every junction like I have seen you do.

Blacks certainly would not try to argue in counter to one of their own who claimed whites are incapable of playing skill positions, for example.

 

[LucasBryant]

I agree with much of what you’ve stated and imo, you have made numerous fair and accurate statements. There is no denying the SEALS over-representation and Blacks under-represented elsewhere as you mentioned. It could be that whites do have a propensity to face fear more willingly. Also whites may feel more deeply obligated to serve in such ways which some blacks may not plus they may not have the deeply heart felt desire to seek such extreme ways of service or service at al. Considering the two opposing ways each race came to America it’s like grounded in some capacity to the unfairness of the past which is undeniable and unnecessary to rehash. Although no country has been better for blacks than the USA as well.

Whites do seem to be more mentally tough across the board however as we both know, fearlessness isn’t simply a white strength alone. All races have proven such fearlessness in numerous ways.

As to my willingness to share my opinion in cases where it may seem to defend non-whites...I side with the truth as I see it regardless of the scenario and will continue to do so. Honor lies within defending the truth as we best understand it. However those times are hardly “at every junction.” Please don’t exaggerate

Yes, blacks have many competitors which excel, but it's not without it's heap of anti-white bias and pro-black bias/manipulation helping them (not discounting that they would still competitors that excel in sports, just that an ameliorating factor would be removed), and I'm not really sure about baseball... What about the SEALs, vast white over-representation, (not saying they are representative of the average white in any way but you could certainly make the case whites handle military rigor better, on average)? Blacks are also actually under-represented in combat roles and elite units in general, I would say it's fair. TomIrons comment seems extreme but there is really no need to defend blacks or nonwhites at every junction like I have seen you do.

Blacks certainly would not try to argue in counter to one of their own who claimed whites are incapable of playing skill positions, for example.

 

[La France Blanche]

Serena Williams is obviously juicing (anyone with eyes can see it, no woman develops that kind of musculature naturally), yet no one in the media calls her out on it.

Her sister Venus, who is likely clean, doesn't have nearly the record Serena does. If Serena hadn't juiced her championship count would probably be in the same realm as her sister's.

 

[white is right]

Wow they really threw the book at her and this could be a blessing in disguise for track and field...https://www.bbc.com/sport/athletics/60435917

PS, Christian Coleman is racing within a year of his ban I don't see what the point of banning in last year was if he is back this quick??

 

[white is right]

This blockhead failed a PED test a few years back and now is running 9.7X times, nothing to see here let's move along...https://www.bbc.com/sport/africa/61378320

 

[sprintstar]

Lol and SFP juicer runs 10.67 and people just blindly eat it up…..

 

[mastermulti]

here's an article I stumbled upon after recalling how Dennis Mitchell and his entourage had given Adeniken a kicking in a hotel lobby in Europe some 25 years ago (before Adeniken gave the 3 of them a decent kick each) - then reading elsewhere Mitchell coached (or managed perhaps) Sha'Carri ( the new FLO-JO) Richardson.
The Irish Times obviously has no dog in this fight so I found it a good little read into the murky dark side of track and field.

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/ot...by-doping-shadow-of-dennis-mitchell-1.4601242

 

[freedom1]

AIU seeks six-year ban for Nigerian sprinter Oduduru

Nigerian sprinter Divine Oduduru has been provisionally suspended and notified of two potential Anti-Doping Rule Violations (ADRVs) by the Athletics Integrity Unit (AIU) who said on Thursday they are seeking a six-year ban.

www.reuters.com

 

[white lightning]

I can't remember any time that England/UK had 3 sub 10 sprinters wind legal by the month of June. Something doesn't smell right to me.
Maybe it's nothing but 2 of these guys are alot older and the times are just eye popping for June. What are your guys thoughts?

 

[mastermulti]

I can't remember any time that England/UK had 3 sub 10 sprinters wind legal by the month of June. Something doesn't smell right to me.
Maybe it's nothing but 2 of these guys are alot older and the times are just eye popping for June. What are your guys thoughts?

Reece Prescod has been running 10.07 and under each season since 2016 at 20 years old. Last year he ran 9.93 (-1.2) in Ostrava end of May. So no issues at all with him.
Zharnel Hughes has run sub 10 every year since 2018 where his previous best was set in early June. None of these times had any wind worth mentioning and this new PB had a nice +1.3. He is 27 now, traditionally among the best years as a sprinter.
The other guy - not enough information to further speculate.
I can't see speculation and distrust as edifying traits so I won't let them gnaw away inside me. I'd rather go to the stats and try to read the signs. Both these guys are tall, rangey and physically built to be sprinters- not great starters but fast finishers. IMHO they have a natural 2 metre advantage over most top European internationals, getting their 9.90s with as much work as most top Europeans do to get their 10.10s.

They may work harder and cope better - eg I just don't know what Rohan Browning is doing over there now but he hasn't done anything to speak of. I really wonder if he's got the wherewithal to cope at top level if his body doesn't let him compete at a good level every week.

 

[white is right]

Tobi Amusan was provisionally suspended for a doping whereabouts violation and it seems like her old university has a drug supplying network for PED's where a former sprinter for the university was the supplier.

We speculated about her last season as she had a tell tale sign of a turtle shell belly and dropped 3 tenths of a second in her 100m hurdles pb.

There are other dopers but they haven't been caught yet. I wouldn't mind a Balco bust to unearth whatever slithers below the surface...https://www.letsrun.com/news/2023/0...nded-for-violating-track-fields-doping-rules/

 

[freedom1]

White guys take plenty of steroids too.
Why hasn't it helped them move up the speed ranks?

Like who?? Lemaitre? Boling? Browning?

 

[white lightning]

Like who?? Lemaitre? Boling? Browning?

Yeah the only white sprinter that I recall recently was Pascal Manicini of Switzerland and that was probably almost a decade ago. Anyone can
cheat but on the average the people busted for performance enhancing drugs are the majotiry of the time of african ancestry.

 

[freedom1]

I remember those vids of skinny Lemaitre doing 135 lb. squats. If ALL ALL ALL of them take something, then he must have not been taking the same stuff the other guys took.

 

[white lightning]

I remember those vids of skinny Lemaitre doing 135 lb. squats. If ALL ALL ALL of them take something, then he must have not been taking the same stuff the other guys took.

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Yeah they always have that puffy inflated look with bellies both men and women. They also all seem to need braces
late in life from all the human growth hormone. Nothing to see here, move right along. It's so obvious.

 

[white is right]

Dude, they all take something. All of them.

And steroids is too general and antiquated a term.
I think they've perfected things that aren't as harmful long term to the body.
It's not 1985, Russia,etc cliches anymore.

It's a PED stack with steroids, EPO, insulin and other things and there hasn't been a big time White sprinter busted since the Balco era when Kenteris and Thanou were busted for the same whereabouts violation that good old Tobi was busted for a few days ago.

 

[white lightning]

It's a PED stack with steroids, EPO, insulin and other things and there hasn't been a big time White sprinter busted since the Balco era when Kenteris and Thanou were busted for the same whereabouts violation that good old Tobi was busted for a few days ago.

Kenteris and Thanou were never really busted. They refused to take the test and that is why they weren't allowed to compete. Yes it's possible
that there were on it but I've seen countless black sprinters get away with skipping test after test. It's a double standard without a doubt!

From wikepedia.org

He withdrew from the 2004 Summer Olympics, held in his home country, after a doping violation (failed to attend drug test).

This is about Kenteris but they were both assumed as guilty and not allowed to compete at home.

I can never imagine them doing that to Flo Jo, Carl Lewis, Maurice Greene, Asafa Powell, Usain Bolt or countless others. They always
are just presumed as innocent to help push the agenda and propaganda along in my opinion. I can't ever imagine a truely fair world with a level playing field with how things have been for decades. They hand pick who they want to punish or not punish when so many cheaters
get the fame and glory as things are overlooked in my opinion.

 

[freedom1]

Which means they bust who they want and when they want. They encourage it and let it slide till it suits their agenda to bust it.
They knew McGuire,Sosa and Bonds were on something but they needed the boost for baseball.
Then they create news for busting them on stuff they knew they were on. It's all by design. To create a reality and mock you

Yes, it is all done with selective enforcement. Flojuice was obviously taking major drugs. The media establishment has been quick to point the finger at much earlier Eastern Europeans, but give her a pass. She is practically a saint even though she characteristically died early. All Jamaica has is tourism and reggae music, so their athletic association is not going to move on their obvious drug cheat sprinters. It's bad publicity.

The establishment will quickly move in to bust white sprinters as they don't want those type of role models. They give the brothers a slap on the wrist now and then to make it look like something is being done. When you see incredible progression out of nowhere and extreme body changes, you can make a pretty good educated guess. The recent white sprinters featured on this board have not shown these signs while many of the recent blacks have.

 

[NikoDuke]

Kenteris and Thanou were never really busted. They refused to take the test and that is why they weren't allowed to compete. Yes it's possible
that there were on it but I've seen countless black sprinters get away with skipping test after test. It's a double standard without a doubt!

From wikepedia.org

He withdrew from the 2004 Summer Olympics, held in his home country, after a doping violation (failed to attend drug test).

This is about Kenteris but they were both assumed as guilty and not allowed to compete at home.

I can never imagine them doing that to Flo Jo, Carl Lewis, Maurice Greene, Asafa Powell, Usain Bolt or countless others. They always
are just presumed as innocent to help push the agenda and propaganda along in my opinion. I can't ever imagine a truely fair world with a level playing field with how things have been for decades. They hand pick who they want to punish or not punish when so many cheaters
get the fame and glory as things are overlooked in my opinion.

Correct. They were never actually proven to have taken PEDs. However, Greece is a relatively poor and powerless nation so their athletes can be made examples of. Many American or British athletes on the other hand..

 

[SneakyQuick]

Maybe they should just have categories for steroid free and full of steroids.

Like the old SNL skit

 

[mastermulti]

Yeah the only white sprinter that I recall recently was Pascal Manicini of Switzerland and that was probably almost a decade ago. Anyone can
cheat but on the average the people busted for performance enhancing drugs are the majotiry of the time of african ancestry.

and Mancini remains one very, very average sprinter. He keeps trying though

 

[mastermulti]

Maybe they should just have categories for steroid free and full of steroids.

Like the old SNL skit

except then the steroid users would want to push their way into the non-steroid group to have a better chance