"Rocket" Ramil Guliyev 9.97 and 19.76 (World Champion 2017 over 200 meters)

[jacknyc]

jphoenix, you make a lot of good points.
Ramil's improvement is remarkable and certainly beyond the usual. Bolt's improvement was even more remarkable.
We should be suspicious of both.
As I said before, we have no way of knowing, but I want to believe Ramil is clean. Because I know that white sprinters can run fast too. But they are often not given the chance to fully develop, for the simple fact that they are white. Even on Track and Field News discussion board, one guy was saying Ramil is not white. He only suggested this after Ramil ran 20.04. The implication was that if he ran that fast, then he can't be white. That is racism.
With Bolt, not only has improvement been remarkable, but now his times are so far beyond everyone else, it's hard not to suspect him.
But who knows? Maybe he's that good.
I will also agree that PEDs don't always lead to increased muscle mass, but in sprinters it usually does.
Anyway, I hope you don't leave this site. I also enjoy your objective comments and analysis.

 

[Maple Leaf]

jphoenix001: what are you whining about? You're entitled to your opinions and others aren't? You have no proof he's a cheat and we have no proof he isn't. Of course we like him because he's white! That is exactly why we like and defend him just as the blacks like and defend their own. So what! Just what forum did you think you were on? This is Castefootball man, get with it. We support whites because so many others will not. This is not the Rainbow Mayflower.

 

[albinosprint]

sure the kid could be on a EPO to increase oxygen in the blood, but that's not going to help his 100m time. and I feel Bolt is on drugs when he doesn't need to be. I don't feel he was on drugs when he ran his 19.93, but just like Roy Martin who ran 20.13 in High School and never got faster, maybe Bolt turned to drugs to be the best. and I'm sure when Bolt lost to gay he was thinking Gay is on drugs. can't beat them join them. allot of guy run great time when they are young and never make and real distance. take Pickering for example, he ran 10.22 when he was what like 19 and has only shaved off .08 since then. I bet if he started sticking needles in his ass that 10 barrier would be gone. and his countryman Williamson has gotten really big since training in Jamaica. don't believe me, look at pics of him from last year and look at pics of him at the UK championship. I said one and I'll say it again "I can pick and drug cheat out like fake tits and the strip club". the bolt smoke settles, he will get caught, just give it time. Edited by: albinosprint

 

[DegradationParadox]

Some perspective:

Borzov 10.07 20.00

Mennea 10.01 19.72

Guliyev 10.08 20.04



We will see if he can handle pressure competing against the big boys at the World Championships. Hopefully he makes finals in 100m and medals in the 200m. His upside is probably greater than any white sprinter in recent memory. His form is excellent, he is so young, the mainstream will not suspect PED usage due to his physique (except here, lol), and he knows how to win.

Limit the doping to the physique is a mistake.

To think : "muscular guy equals doping" is a mind simplification.

Especially when you want to get stamina (and anyone who has run a 200m knows how it's necessary to have stamina to keep the speed ). There is a lot of cheaters in long distance and they are very skinny, the ability to take muscle has nothing to do with doping.

But when you cheat and when it's easy for you to take muscle because you have a mesophorm body, you become more muscular than a guy who does not have that ability even if he cheats also.
And black guys have more mesophorm body than white like Rami or Lemaitre who are ectomorph.

Ok, and there is also a lot of doping product which does not make you bigger and a lot of technics like autotransfusion (impossible to detect) or the use of asthma medication (87% of the sprinter use them, blacks or whites) which do not make you more muscular but makes you have a better oxygenation of the blood. You get a better stamina because you don't feel the lactic acid which block your muscle at the end of an effort.

Bolt for example is not a big muscular man but anyone there thinks he is a drug user.
And we can read how suspicious people are because his PB improved from 19'75 to 19'30 which is 45/100.

But for the 62/100 of Ramil it's ok.

But he is white so...

I thought I was on an track and field advanced analysis forum, but I made a mistake.

Anyway, don't answer to my post because I leave that racist place.

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</div><div>jphoenix001, this forum is not racist. Did you see the thread about japanese sprinters? We are pulling for them too, we are trying to crush the racist myth that only blacks are fast.</div><div>
</div><div>I think we should be able to believe in our athletes just as blacks believe in thiers and doubt ours. Why the double standard?</div><div>
</div><div>I too think you should continue posting here, you seem veryknowledgeable.</div>

 

[ArizState03]

and his countryman Williamson has gotten really big since training in Jamaica. don't believe me, look at pics of him from last year and look at pics of him at the UK championship. I said one and I'll say it again "I can pick and drug cheat out like fake tits and the strip club". the bolt smoke settles, he will get caught, just give it time.

Honestly, if he wore the same track outfit, I doubt anyone would even be able to tell the difference. To me,helooks a little bigger in '08.

July 11, 2008

July 11, 2009

 

[albinosprint]

touché! but how about '07?

 

[ArizState03]

jphoenix001, this forum is not racist. Did you see the thread about japanese sprinters? We are pulling for them too, we are trying to crush the racist myth that only blacks are fast.


I think we should be able to believe in our athletes just as blacks believe in thiers and doubt ours. Why the double standard?


I too think you should continue posting here, you seem veryknowledgeable.

This'll probably be my last post too, but I don't see a double standard. I don't think anyone's ever said there aren't any fast white sprinters. I'm Italian. I admireCerruti and Di Gregorio as much as anyone. It's not racist to acknowledge that they're not as fast asthe elite 100m sprinters.

Personally, I don't find it necessary to bash other sprinters, and call them all steroid users, without one stitch of evidence.47 sprinters have run faster than my fastest countryman, including 2 Japanese,Guliyev, and 44 black guys.Am I supposed to call them all cheaters to feel good about myself?I think that'sthe point jphoenix is making.

Look at those pictures ofWilliamson. Are you honestly gonna tell mehe looks any different year over year? I think you guys see what you want to see. Hedoesn't look ANYdifferent, yetit seems like it's against board rules to not call him a PED freakafter running a10.05?!? When he ran a 10.10 two yearsago, and a 10.03 last year?!? Seriously, isthis what being prideful of white athletes has become?Edited by: ArizState03

 

[white is right]

He looks tighter in 09'. But it might be the suit. What does this guy have to with Guliyev?

 

[Maple Leaf]

ArizState03: so Cerutti is your "countryman" but you use a U.S. college name? Sounds like bullsh*t to me. You and your pal are seeing into the forum what YOU want to see. So you don't think anyone has ever said there aren't any fast white sprinters? Are you serious man? If it is not outright said, it is implied daily, daily, daily in every NFL broadcast. Whites are slighted all the time in the media. All one needs to do is pick up a newspaper and read the sports section. It is easy to find. This is castefootball -not Yahoo, not MSN, not ESPN, and not dick and weeble. If someone suspects a prick like Williamson is a crook and a cheat they say so. No one has proof but they can speak of their suspicions. Why not? Oh yes, we are proud of white sprinters. I for one love the look on those a-hole blacks' face when they lose to a white sprinter. It is very satisfying. If you were white and aware you would too. It's called vindication.

And another word to the not so wise. Why should we not suspect any sprinter that rattles off sub 10 races at will? Training hasn't changed that much in the last 25-30 years that could make this possible. Essentially sprinters are still using the same techniques and training methods. So why so many DEEP drop in times? It's not the shoes or the haircuts. It's the drugs stupid.

 

[white lightning]

Ok back to Guliyev. As important a Caste Athlete that there is in the whole world right now. Up there with Wladimir Klitscko and maybe even above him. If Ramil Guliyev can go sub 10 in the 100 and sub 20 in the 200 meters, we will have a world class sprinter over the short distances. We haven't had that since Allan Wells. Before that it was Borzov.

The key here is that this 19 year old kid is running times that are off the charts for his age group. He can become the 4th white sprinter to go sub 20 seconds in the 200 meters. Ramil can also become the 1st white sprinter to go sub 10 in the 100 meters! If he accomplishes both at such a young age, who is to say that he can't evenually take on guys like Powell, Bolt and Gay. Can you imagine how the world would react if a white man were the fastest man in the world. According to a billion experts it's not possible. We here at Castefootball know it is. He is still a long ways away and competing with alot of guys on peds but he has a chance. If Ramil goes sub 10 by Berlin, I will break open the bottle of champagne and get drunker than I ever have. Finally we can shut up the critics and naysayers.

I have argued for a long time that Craig can potentially go in the 9.80's - 9.90's range. I belive Ramil and Lemaitre can go beyond that! These two guys are the most important sprinters on the planet. They can become role models for the next several generations of kids. Finally little white kids from around the world can have current sprinting heros that look like them. They then will know that despite what anyone tells them, they can acheive what ever they want. They too can be the fastest man in the world someday!

 

[StarWars]

Two weeks and there is a good chance it will be done. I don't want to jinx it but our odds are literally 50%. A sub 10, and white. He ran a 20.42 and 10.08. Now he just ran 20.04 with no competition. Imagine his 100, and confidence. He will be racing other sub 10 sprinters and Tobias Unger. It is time, finally.

 

[white lightning]

Where is CharliesSpace? That stupid Brutal twin said it will never happen. He also said he might open the whitemencan't sprint thread back up in the future but he knows he will never hear the end of it. Whether it happens this summer or next, it will start a trend of young, hungry white sprinters running with a chip on their shoulder for all of the years they've been hearing that they cannot compete. I would love to rip Charlies or Brutals head of in a verbal sparring match. At the end of the day, everything they have always belived is false.

Guliyev can start it and many others will follow. A nightmare for all of the racist, ignorant, track coaches, fans, and other sprinters who have lauged in our faces over the years.

They said a white man could never win the Slam Dunk Contest. We have.

They said a white man could never be heavyweight champion. We are and we dominate.

They also said whites cannot sprint. They were wrong again!


The stereotypes will take a long time to get rid of, but we are on the right path to equality. Again, whites are some of the greatest athletes in the world period! We dominate more sports than anyone. I'm tired of the white haters. I'm tired of all of the dumb unathletic people cutting us down. I said a long time ago we will rise again. Everyone laughed. Well I personally will have the last laugh as we continue to acheive success. Me and all my friends on this board presently and in the future.

They only wish they could keep us from acheiving success. We are in the middle of a white sprinting revival and it's only going to grow from here.

 

[mastermulti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=IL7Bfe3Kgwc

here's Ramil's 20.04

(I apologise if I'm repeating it from anywhere else on the forum)http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=AU&hl=en-GB&v=IL7Bfe3Kgwc

 

[Maple Leaf]

White Lightning:

I think Ramil will go sub 20 before he goes sub 10. With no one near him he ran down the clock and already nearly did. You are right about this guy 100%. We have never seen a talent this good and this young since Wells or Borzov. The best part is a talent pool is starting to collect internationally.

These sprinters had to come from old white countries of western or eastern Europe. In North America it is very difficult for whites to get a fair shake. Most of the coaches here are brain dead and cannot see or believe that whites are just as capable of winning if given the chance to develop.

No man is born a sub 10 sprinter. Yes, some INDIVIDUALS are naturally faster than others but that alone is just raw talent. Ramil is naturally fast but that alone was not enough to get him at the doorstep of a sub 20 deuce or sub 10 one. He has had to train like everyone else to make himself that fast. But Ramil comes from a country where his country and his countrymen have pride in themselves and want to see one of their own as champion and not an African representing them. All -and I mean all- of these black sprinters outside of Africa that run for white countries know and feel they are running and representing for black people. They say it openly and the media goes silent about it time and time again. We here at castefootball know it. We also know that Ramil knows he is not just representing his country but all of us as well. Ramil knows that he will be endorsed and ADMIRED in Europe and around the world for his success.

 

[albinosprint]

well put maple leaf! I think we will see him sub 20 this year and sub ten in the next 2 years. I just pray to God he dosen't pull a Tezdzhan Naimova.

 

[white lightning]

The really crazy thing is that he didn't stay on the inside of his lane on the curve. All sprinters are taught to hug the line the whole way. Your almost running on the line. He could have cost himself at least .05 - .09 in time which could have already have put him under 20 seconds. Still an incredible race.

 

[white is right]

He might have felt he was so much better than his competition at the meet that he didn't need to hunker down to win. Now if he knew he was on the verge of a sub 20 he probably would have tight roped the line.

 

[white lightning]

Good point. We also need to remember that the kid barely turned 19 recently. He still has alot to learn. He is a rookie/newbie sprinter to the professional scene. Just imagine what he will eventually be capable of. Some unreal times to come in the future. Time that we were told in books like Entines that are not possible. Olympic and World Championship Finals are not supposed to be possible either according to the dumb Jon Entine. Yet Tobias Unger made the finals of the 200 in the oympics, and Matic Osovnikar made the finals at the last World Champs. All of these since his book came out and that is not even including Kenteris who was before the book. Ramil Guliyev has more natural talent than all 3 of these guys put together and he will make some serious noise. I can just see Entine have sleepless nights.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Unless he gets hurt, or some other unpredictable bad luck, Ramil will only get faster. When he opens up that long, clean, balanced stride he puts a lot of distance behind him fast. With refinements to his start and adding power to his acceleration, he IS a sub 10/20 sprinter. And none can call him black because he comes from one of the whitest parts of the world.

 

[albinosprint]

amen to that!

 

[ArizState03]

ArizState03: so Cerutti is your "countryman" but you use a U.S. college name? Sounds like bullsh*t to me.

<DIV =defs>So because Veronica Campbell-Brownwent to University of Arkansas, and lives and trains in Florida year-round, she's not aJamaican countrywoman? Even though she's from Jamaica, in your mind, Jamaicans aren't her countrymen andwomen because she was schooled,lives,and trainshere?

Anna Kournikova's not Russian because shelives in Miami? Hugh Jackman's not Australian because he lives in New York? You don't have to still live somewhere to be considered a countryman.




<DT =hwrd>

coun·try·man
<DT =pron></DT>
<DIV =defs>1 : an inhabitant or NATIVE of a specified country

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<DIV =defs>http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/countryman

 

[StarWars]

Why are we arguing whether or not some guy is Italian? Stupid.

 

[albinosprint]

ArizState,

oh, so your here on a school visa? are both your parents "off the boat" Italians? were you born in Italy and lived there for any time longer than a year? My grandfathers father was from Austria and his mother was from Yugoslavia. my grandmothers father was from Austria and her mother from Ireland, but both my grandparents say they are Italian because that is where they were born and lived for 16-17 year before they came to the USA. so what exactly is your story my Italian comrade?
Edited by: albinosprint

 

[white lightning]

His story i.m.o. is that he likes to argue and debate with almost every member on the board. I also posted the article with Carl Lewis on the Bolt thread and yet he asks where is it? He is on his last leg here. Mr. ASU also keeps saying he's done posting here but yet he comes back to argue and dispute anyone here that has an opinion. He defends guys like Bolt and Powell as if they were family members. It might just about time for me and Don to make a decision. It's getting really old!Edited by: white lightning

 

[albinosprint]

the guy is a lemon, give him the axe.