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10 reasons the U.S. is no longer the land of the free

By Jonathan Turley, Published: January 13

Every year, the State Department issues reports on individual rights in other countries, monitoring the passage of restrictive laws and regulations around the world. Iran, for example, has been criticized for denying fair public trials and limiting privacy, while Russia has been taken to task for undermining due process. Other countries have been condemned for the use of secret evidence and torture.

Even as we pass judgment on countries we consider unfree, Americans remain confident that any definition of a free nation must include their own — the land of free. Yet, the laws and practices of the land should shake that confidence. In the decade since Sept. 11, 2001, this country has comprehensively reduced civil liberties in the name of an expanded security state. The most recent example of this was the National Defense Authorization Act, signed Dec. 31, which allows for the indefinite detention of citizens. At what point does the reduction of individual rights in our country change how we define ourselves?

While each new national security power Washington has embraced was controversial when enacted, they are often discussed in isolation. But they don’t operate in isolation. They form a mosaic of powers under which our country could be considered, at least in part, authoritarian. Americans often proclaim our nation as a symbol of freedom to the world while dismissing nations such as Cuba and China as categorically unfree. Yet, objectively, we may be only half right. Those countries do lack basic individual rights such as due process, placing them outside any reasonable definition of “free,” but the United States now has much more in common with such regimes than anyone may like to admit.

These countries also have constitutions that purport to guarantee freedoms and rights. But their governments have broad discretion in denying those rights and few real avenues for challenges by citizens — precisely the problem with the new laws in this country.
The list of powers acquired by the U.S. government since 9/11 puts us in rather troubling company.

Assassination of U.S. citizens
President Obama has claimed, as President George W. Bush did before him, the right to order the killing of any citizen considered a terrorist or an abettor of terrorism. Last year, he approved the killing of U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaqi and another citizen under this claimed inherent authority. Last month, administration officials affirmed that power, stating that the president can order the assassination of any citizen whom he considers allied with terrorists. (Nations such as Nigeria, Iran and Syria have been routinely criticized for extrajudicial killings of enemies of the state.)

Indefinite detention
Under the law signed last month, terrorism suspects are to be held by the military; the president also has the authority to indefinitely detain citizens accused of terrorism. While the administration claims that this provision only codified existing law, experts widely contest this view, and the administration has opposed efforts to challenge such authority in federal courts. The government continues to claim the right to strip citizens of legal protections based on its sole discretion. (China recently codified a more limited detention law for its citizens, while countries such as Cambodia have been singled out by the United States for “prolonged detention.”)

Arbitrary justice

The president now decides whether a person will receive a trial in the federal courts or in a military tribunal, a system that has been ridiculed around the world for lacking basic due process protections. Bush claimed this authority in 2001, and Obama has continued the practice. (Egypt and China have been denounced for maintaining separate military justice systems for selected defendants, including civilians.)


Warrantless searches
The president may now order warrantless surveillance, including a new capability to force companies and organizations to turn over information on citizens’ finances, communications and associations. Bush acquired this sweeping power under the Patriot Act in 2001, and in 2011, Obama extended the power, including searches of everything from business documents to library records. The government can use “national security letters” to demand, without probable cause, that organizations turn over information on citizens — and order them not to reveal the disclosure to the affected party. (Saudi Arabia and Pakistan operate under laws that allow the government to engage in widespread discretionary surveillance.)

Secret evidence
The government now routinely uses secret evidence to detain individuals and employs secret evidence in federal and military courts. It also forces the dismissal of cases against the United States by simply filing declarations that the cases would make the government reveal classified information that would harm national security — a claim made in a variety of privacy lawsuits and largely accepted by federal judges without question. Even legal opinions, cited as the basis for the government’s actions under the Bush and Obama administrations, have been classified. This allows the government to claim secret legal arguments to support secret proceedings using secret evidence. In addition, some cases never make it to court at all. The federal courts routinely deny constitutional challenges to policies and programs under a narrow definition of standing to bring a case.

War crimes
The world clamored for prosecutions of those responsible for waterboarding terrorism suspects during the Bush administration, but the Obama administration said in 2009 that it would not allow CIA employees to be investigated or prosecuted for such actions. This gutted not just treaty obligations but the Nuremberg principles of international law. When courts in countries such as Spain moved to investigate Bush officials for war crimes, the Obama administration reportedly urged foreign officials not to allow such cases to proceed, despite the fact that the United States has long claimed the same authority with regard to alleged war criminals in other countries. (Various nations have resisted investigations of officials accused of war crimes and torture. Some, such as Serbia and Chile, eventually relented to comply with international law; countries that have denied independent investigations include Iran, Syria and China.)

Secret court
The government has increased its use of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, which has expanded its secret warrants to include individuals deemed to be aiding or abetting hostile foreign governments or organizations. In 2011, Obama renewed these powers, including allowing secret searches of individuals who are not part of an identifiable terrorist group. The administration has asserted the right to ignore congressional limits on such surveillance. (Pakistan places national security surveillance under the unchecked powers of the military or intelligence services.)

Immunity from judicial review

Like the Bush administration, the Obama administration has successfully pushed for immunity for companies that assist in warrantless surveillance of citizens, blocking the ability of citizens to challenge the violation of privacy. (Similarly, China has maintained sweeping immunity claims both inside and outside the country and routinely blocks lawsuits against private companies.)

Continual monitoring of citizens
The Obama administration has successfully defended its claim that it can use GPS devices to monitor every move of targeted citizens without securing any court order or review. (Saudi Arabia has installed massive public surveillance systems, while Cuba is notorious for active monitoring of selected citizens.)

Extraordinary renditions
The government now has the ability to transfer both citizens and noncitizens to another country under a system known as extraordinary rendition, which has been denounced as using other countries, such as Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Pakistan, to torture suspects. The Obama administration says it is not continuing the abuses of this practice under Bush, but it insists on the unfettered right to order such transfers — including the possible transfer of U.S. citizens.
These new laws have come with an infusion of money into an expanded security system on the state and federal levels, including more public surveillance cameras, tens of thousands of security personnel and a massive expansion of a terrorist-chasing bureaucracy.
Some politicians shrug and say these increased powers are merely a response to the times we live in. Thus, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) could declare in an interview last spring without objection that “free speech is a great idea, but we’re in a war.” Of course, terrorism will never “surrender” and end this particular “war.”

Other politicians rationalize that, while such powers may exist, it really comes down to how they are used. This is a common response by liberals who cannot bring themselves to denounce Obama as they did Bush. Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.), for instance, has insisted that Congress is not making any decision on indefinite detention: “That is a decision which we leave where it belongs — in the executive branch.”
And in a signing statement with the defense authorization bill, Obama said he does not intend to use the latest power to indefinitely imprison citizens. Yet, he still accepted the power as a sort of regretful autocrat.

An authoritarian nation is defined not just by the use of authoritarian powers, but by the ability to use them. If a president can take away your freedom or your life on his own authority, all rights become little more than a discretionary grant subject to executive will.
The framers lived under autocratic rule and understood this danger better than we do. James Madison famously warned that we needed a system that did not depend on the good intentions or motivations of our rulers: “If men were angels, no government would be necessary.”

Benjamin Franklin was more direct. In 1787, a Mrs. Powel confronted Franklin after the signing of the Constitution and asked, “Well, Doctor, what have we got — a republic or a monarchy?” His response was a bit chilling: “A republic, Madam, if you can keep it.”
Since 9/11, we have created the very government the framers feared: a government with sweeping and largely unchecked powers resting on the hope that they will be used wisely.
The indefinite-detention provision in the defense authorization bill seemed to many civil libertarians like a betrayal by Obama. While the president had promised to veto the law over that provision, Levin, a sponsor of the bill, disclosed on the Senate floor that it was in fact the White House that approved the removal of any exception for citizens from indefinite detention.
Dishonesty from politicians is nothing new for Americans. The real question is whether we are lying to ourselves when we call this country the land of the free.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro professor of public interest law at George Washington University.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...-of-the-free/2012/01/04/gIQAvcD1wP_story.html
 

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Col Reb,

That list proves how far we have fallen. This country hasn't been a Republic for a long time, certainly not in my lifetime. These actions by the government seem indicitive of a collapsing empire. Setting up a police state to deal with the unrest that will occur post collapse.
 

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More police state headlines...

FBI seeking social media monitoring tool
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.98b3636e34b08a0fcd674a900f2deb90.b1&show_article=1

LAPD And Special Forces Conduct Military Maneuvers In The Skies Above Downtown LA
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012...ary-maneuvers-in-the-skies-above-downtown-la/

Hawaii may keep track of all Web sites visited
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-57366443-281/hawaii-may-keep-track-of-all-web-sites-visited/

Taking a trip can be a 'degrading' experience for fliers
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/story/2012-01-26/Taking-a-trip-can-be-a-degrading-experience-for-fliers/52807258/1

FLA police roll out video surveillance truck called The Peacemaker
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-neighborhood-crime-surveillance-20120126,0,5814428.story






 
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there were a couple of insightful columns at LewRockwell today, including one that was related to Dixie's above-mention of "the Peacemaker:"

Panopticon coming to a neighborhood near you!

i'll actually paste the entirety of this piece, because it is almost too outrageous to be believed ... even though the original article has links to the mentioned examples. it is lengthy, but it will likely leave you stunned. it certainly did me.

With each passing year, the difference between America's prisons and America's public schools becomes smaller and smaller. As you read the rest of this article, you will be absolutely amazed at some of the crazy things that school children in America are being arrested for. When I was growing up, I don't remember a single police officer ever coming to my school. Discipline was always handled by the teachers and by the principals. But today, there are schools all over the country that have police officers permanently stationed in the halls. Many other schools will call out police officers at the drop of a hat. In the classrooms of America today, if you burp in class, if you spray yourself with perfume or if you doodle on your desk, there is a chance that you will be arrested by the police and hauled out of your school in handcuffs. Unfortunately, we live in a country where paranoia has become standard operating procedure. The American people have become convinced that the only way that we can all be "safe" is for this country to be run like a militarized totalitarian police state. So our public schools are run like prisons and our public school students are treated like prisoners. The United States has the highest incarceration rate in the world by far, and our schools are preparing the next generation to either "do time" in the prison system or to live as good little slaves in the Big Brother prison grid that is being constructed all around us. But what our schools are not doing is giving these children the critical thinking skills that they need to live as free citizens in a nation that used to be "the land of the free and the home of the brave".

Of course very few people would deny that the character of American schoolchildren has changed dramatically over the decades. Back in the 1950s, some of the biggest school discipline problems were gum chewing and hair pulling. Today, kids bring knives, guns and drugs with them to school. Gang activity is rampant in many of our schools and in some schools kids are even having sex in the school bathrooms.

So there is definitely a discipline problem in our schools.

But what is going on in many areas of the country is absolutely ridiculous. For example, in 2010 alone police down in Texas issued an astounding 300,000 tickets to school children.


Yes, if a kid pulls a knife on someone the police should get involved, but teachers and administrators should be able to use some common sense and handle the vast majority of discipline problems that happen themselves.

What you are about to read is absolutely going to amaze you. The following are 19 really crazy things that school children are being arrested for in America....

#1 At one public school down in Texas, a 12-year-old girl named Sarah Bustamantes was recently arrested for spraying herself with perfume.

#2 A 13-year-old student at a school in Albuquerque, New Mexico was recently arrested by police for burping in class.

#3 Another student down in Albuquerque was forced to strip down to his underwear while five adults watched because he had $200 in his pocket. The student was never formally charged with doing anything wrong.

#4 A security guard at one school in California broke the arm of a 16-year-old girl because she left some crumbs on the floor after cleaning up some cake that she had spilled.

#5 One teenage couple down in Houston poured milk on each other during a squabble while they were breaking up. Instead of being sent to see the principal, they were arrested and sent to court.

#6 In early 2010, a 12-year-old girl at a school in Forest Hills, New York was arrested by police and marched out of her school in handcuffs just because she doodled on her desk. "I love my friends Abby and Faith" was what she reportedly scribbled on her desk.


#7 A 6-year-old girl down in Florida was handcuffed and sent to a mental facility after throwing temper tantrums at her elementary school.

#8 One student down in Texas was reportedly arrested by police for throwing paper airplanes in class.

#9 A 17-year-old honor student in North Carolina named Ashley Smithwick accidentally took her father's lunch with her to school. It contained a small paring knife which he would use to slice up apples. So what happened to this standout student when the school discovered this? The school suspended her for the rest of the year and the police charged her with a misdemeanor.

#10 In Allentown, Pennsylvania a 14-year-old girl was tasered in the groin area by a school security officer even though she had put up her hands in the air to surrender.

#11 Down in Florida, an 11-year-old student was arrested, thrown in jail and charged with a third-degree felony for bringing a plastic butter knife to school.

#12 Back in 2009, an 8-year-old boy in Massachusetts was sent home from school and was forced to undergo a psychological evaluation because he drew a picture of Jesus on the cross.

#13 A police officer in San Mateo, California blasted a 7-year-old special education student in the face with pepper spray because he would not quit climbing on the furniture.

#14 In America today, even 5-year-old children are treated brutally by police. The following is from a recent article that described what happened to one very young student in Stockton, California a while back....


Earlier this year, a Stockton student was handcuffed with zip ties on his hands and feet, forced to go to the hospital for a psychiatric evaluation and was charged with battery on a police officer. That student was 5 years old.

#15 At one school in Connecticut, a 17-year-old boy was thrown to the floor and tasered five times because he was yelling at a cafeteria worker.

#16 A teenager in suburban Dallas was forced to take on a part-time job after being ticketed for using foul language in one high school classroom. The original ticket was for $340, but additional fees have raised the total bill to $637.

#17 A few months ago, police were called out when a little girl kissed a little boy during a physical education class at an elementary school down in Florida.

#18 A 6-year-old boy was recently charged with sexual battery for some "inappropriate touching" during a game of tag at one elementary school in the San Francisco area.

#19 In Massachusetts, police were recently sent out to collect an overdue library book from a 5-year-old girl.

Unfortunately, what is going on in our schools is a reflection of the broader society as a whole. Our schools are being turned into prisons because our entire society is being turned into a giant prison.

Our nation is rapidly heading down the toilet, and the children of this nation do not have a bright future to look forward to.

If the police really want to find some criminals, they should start investigating some of the sickos that are in charge of some of these classrooms.


It seems like almost every day now there is a news story about some public school teacher that is involved in some kind of really perverted stuff.

For example, just check out what police down in Los Angeles recently found that one teacher was hiding....

A former Los Angeles elementary school teacher has been arrested for felony molestation of nearly two dozen students, accused of gagging children and putting live ****roaches on some of their faces. Deputies say the crimes were committed on campus.

Sickos who do that kind of stuff to kids should be punished very severely.

America's schools are changing, and not for the better.

Personally, I went to public schools all my life, but I would not recommend that anyone send their kids to public schools today. There is just way too much crazy stuff that goes on.

And our kids are learning less than ever in these public schools. As I have written about previously, many of them are coming out of the system as dumb as a rock. Instead of teaching our kids how to think critically and examine all sides of an issue, these schools are indoctrinating our kids and pushing particular social and political agendas on them.

There are a few public schools out there that are still good, but the vast majority of them are horrible. They are not producing the leaders of tomorrow and they are not preparing the next generation with the tools that they need to survive in a complex world.
 

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there were a couple of insightful columns at LewRockwell today, including one that was related to Dixie's above-mention of "the Peacemaker:"

Panopticon coming to a neighborhood near you!

i'll actually paste the entirety of this piece, because it is almost too outrageous to be believed ... even though the original article has links to the mentioned examples. it is lengthy, but it will likely leave you stunned. it certainly did me.

The government schools have been infected with the police state mentality. I can't enter my daughter's elementary school without having my driver's license scanned onto a sticker to put on my shirt. The school sends threatening letters about tardies and unexcused absences, letting you know that a policeman will be sent to your home as a warning, and then criminal prosecution will ensue resulting in fines and/or jail time. Sometimes I take my daughter out of school early for whatever reason, or let her sleep in and arrive to school late if she's tired. I never give the school an explanation because it's none of their goddamn business. They act like they own your child. At least if it gets unbearable, we can homeschool our children. However, I believe that homeschooling will eventually be illegal.
 

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The government schools have been infected with the police state mentality. I can't enter my daughter's elementary school without having my driver's license scanned onto a sticker to put on my shirt. The school sends threatening letters about tardies and unexcused absences, letting you know that a policeman will be sent to your home as a warning, and then criminal prosecution will ensue resulting in fines and/or jail time. Sometimes I take my daughter out of school early for whatever reason, or let her sleep in and arrive to school late if she's tired. I never give the school an explanation because it's none of their goddamn business. They act like they own your child. At least if it gets unbearable, we can homeschool our children. However, I believe that homeschooling will eventually be illegal.
Government schools do indeed embrace the police & nanny state. You're right on the mark regarding home schooling as well. The PTB abhors home schooling as they want kids under the control of their cultmarx propaganda centers.
 

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20+ years ago some junior high schoolers were saying that school was becoming more like prison all the time. Many of today's college students say the same thing about their experiences at government indoctrination centers (aka public schools) in more recent years.
 

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An article entitled "Police State thugs demand all school children eat the same food."

A four year old in NC had her turkey and cheese sandwich seized and was forced to eat prefabricated chemically bleached “nuggetsâ€￾ made from the left-over scrap pieces of chicken and gelatin. Police state “childhood developmentâ€￾ officials declared her Turkey and Cheese, Banana, and juice box to be “unhealthy.â€￾

Instead she was forced to eat a meal made from the pink goo you see pictured at right. The Federal government recently ordered $7 million dollars worth of Ammonium Hydroxide filled pink goo to be distributed to public schools all over America. McDonalds, however, announced two weeks ago that they were discontinuing use of the pink goo because of an anti-ammonia campaign.

Her mother was given a bill for $1.25.

http://cofcc.org/2012/02/police-state-thugs-demand-all-school-children-eat-the-same-food/

"Stealing" food from little children!
 

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The British Government Resurrects Plan to Monitor All Phone Calls and Emails In Real Time

The British government has dusted off previously shelved plans to create huge databases, enabling spy agencies to monitor every phone call, email and text message as well as websites visited by everyone in the country.

The Telegraph reports that under the plans, the government will force every communications network to store the data for one year. The plans also extend to social networking sites such as Facebook and Twitter, and gaming sites.

The plans, drawn up by MI5, MI6 and GCHQ, the government’s secret eavesdropping agency, may be officially announced as soon as May, according to details seen by the Telegraph. Those agencies would have real time access to the records kept by companies such as Vodafone and British Telecom.

The records would allow the spy agencies to monitor the "who, when and where" of every phone call, text message and email sent, while also allowing for internet browsing histories to be matched to IP addresses.

Unassumingly titled the Communications Capabilities Development Programme (CCDP), the new scheme is set to be implemented under anti-terrorism laws, with the spy agencies saying it will allow them to more closely monitor suspects ahead of the London 2012 Olympics in July.

Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group, a civil liberties campaign organisation, said: "This would be a systematic effort to spy on all of our digital communications. No state in history has been able to gather the level of information proposed – it’s a way of collecting everything about who we talk to just in case something turns up." Killock added.

Gus Hosein, of Privacy International, said: "If communications providers have a government mandate to start collecting this information they will be incredibly tempted to start monitoring this data themselves so they can compete with Google and Facebook."

"The internet companies will be told to store who you are friends with and interact with. While this may appear innocuous it requires the active interception of every single communication you make, and this has never been done in a democratic society." Hosein urged.

Costing hundreds of millions in public funds, the system continued to be implemented by GCHQ with the aid of American defence giant Lockheed Martin and British IT firm Detica, which has close ties to the intelligence agencies.

http://www.infowars.com/government-resurrects-plan-to-spy-on-all-phone-calls-and-emails/
 
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Looks like the U.S. is going to try to do the same thing as Great Britian with H.R. Bill 1981 sponsored by the "Conservative" representative Lamar Smith (R) of TX:

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/301371/20120220/hr-1981-sopa-lamar-smith-internet-surveillance.htm

"A bill, titled H.R. 1981, "Protecting Children From Internet Pornographers Act of 2011," is being sponsored by Lamar Smith and is considered to be a wide-ranging Internet surveillance bill with many other domineering attempts by the government to invade privacy and control the Internet.

According to David Seaman, a prominent new media advocate, the bill has been named thus "so that politicians in the House and Senate are strong-armed into voting for it, even though it contains utterly insane 1984-style Big Brother surveillance provisions."

A report in Venture Beat said H.R. 1981 would "alter U.S. code Chapter 18 section 2703 'Required Disclosure of Customer Communications or Records' so that all Internet service providers would need to store your IP address for at least 12 months, along with any highly sensitive personal information such as credit card data."

All these imply that each and every online movement of Internet users will be tracked, stored and even be made accessible not necessarily with any real cause.
 

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some insightful commentary from alias "Simon Black" over at Sovereign Man ...

Freedom*

February 22, 2012
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“[T]he more complicated the forms assumed by civilization, the more restricted the freedom of the individual must become.â€￾

Benito Mussolini
Grand Fascist Council Report, 1929

When I was a kid, the morning announcements at my taxpayer-funded public school dragged on for a good 15 or 20 minutes. They announced the birthdays. They told us what was for lunch. For some reason they even told us the weather, as if a bunch of 6-year olds cared what the relative humidity was.

Then we broke out into the propaganda. We recited the Pledge of Allegiance. Then we sang the national anthem. Then we sang America the Beautiful. THEN we sang the state anthem, “Texas our Texasâ€￾. I still hear it in my sleep from time to time.

It’s bizarre, when you think about it. Children are indoctrinated from such a young age to subordinate themselves to the ‘republic,’ a system of government. They learn that the state is paramount above all else, and the belief is inculcated at a time when young minds are typically incapable of rational analysis.

It seems difficult to heavily distinguish such practices from those of the Deutsches Jungvolk section of the HJ– the Hitler Youth organization for 10-14 year old boys that instilled loyalty to the Third Reich above all else.

Children learn that the United States stands for liberty… the land of the free. It’s simply not questioned. That’s what they’re told, that’s what they grow up believing. But as Hayek wrote in the early 1940s,

“Freedom and liberty are now words so worn with use and abuse that one must hesitate to employ them to express the ideals for which they [used to stand.]â€￾

‘Freedom’ now comes with all sorts of strings attached, special stipulations. These days, we’re told: “You’re free. Now follow all of these regulations that are interpreted at the exclusive discretion of hundreds of executive agencies under the penalty of imprisonment and/or financial penalties so egregious that you’ll be paying for the rest of your natural life.â€￾

The rule of law no longer exists– not in the United States, not in the western world.

In the EU, member states and unelected, supranational agencies are now routinely violating their own charters and international agreements to bail out, print, and borrow however much they want, whenever they want, irrespective of what the law says.

Moreover, hundreds of US government executive agencies and their ever-expanding authorities are creating a complex ‘shadow code’ system of policies and regulations, each of which can be interpreted in the sole discretion of a single bureaucrat who’s out to get you.

Consider:

* US-based Gibson Guitar Corp has twice been raided by FBI agents on suspicion of importing wood that violates India’s trade regulations. They don’t care that Gibson’s CEO has a memo from the Indian government approving the deal. The wood remains confiscated, even though charges have never been filed.

* There’s a regulation on the books, buried deep within the system, requiring you to first fill out a form with the Census Bureau of all places. It’s rarely (if ever) enforced, but it exists… and anyone who doesn’t do it is subject to fine and/or imprisonment at the pleasure of the Census Bureau.

* A few months ago, a fisherman from New Bedford, Mass. accidentally caught an 800-pound bluefin tuna in his trawl gear after setting out from dock. It was freakish good fortune, albeit short-lived. The man was relieved of his tuna by the National Maritime Fisheries Service because there is ‘no permit that allows catching bluefin with a trawl net.’

* Even having too much cash now can be considered a criminal offense. There are countless stories like Anthony Smelley’s, who in 2009 was pulled over on I-70 in Putnam County, Indiana and found with $17,500 in cash. He was able to prove that the money was his, legitimately. It didn’t matter. He was relieved of the cash, but charged with no crime.

* You can’t so much as apply for a passport now without being threatened with “fine and/or imprisonment under U.S. law including the provisions of 18 USC 1001, 18 USC 1542, and/or 18 USC 1621.â€￾ The same goes for ‘alteration of a passport’ or even using a passport ‘in violation of the restrictions contained herein..’, whatever that’s supposed to mean.

This is not the land of the free. The US government’s extraordinary network of codes, regulations, and policies has created a nation of citizens who live in a state of constant violation, governed by criminals who have the authority to defraud them.

A few months ago, one obscure police agency of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) was found having spent several hundred thousand dollars of funds and assets that were confiscated from fishermen (without charge) to buy a luxury boat that was used for pleasure cruises and barbecues.

In 2008, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives submitted a request for bids to purchase 2,000 Leatherman pocketknives for its agents. The ATF wanted the knives to be inscribed with the phrase “Always Think Forfeitureâ€￾, as in ATF.

The order was rescinded after it was reported in the Idaho Statesman… but it’s emblematic of how government agencies view their role… and ours.

At this moment, you are guilty of dozens of crimes and/or regulatory violations. Such rules are selectively enforced; the rule of law means nothing, it’s all about who your connections are, whose palms are greased, and whose campaign you enriched.

Like a cheap credit card offer, all the song and dance about ‘land of the free’ comes with fine print at the bottom of the page– “terms and conditions may apply, void where prohibited.â€￾ This is not freedom. It’s freedom*
 

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some insightful commentary from alias "Simon Black" over at Sovereign Man ...

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February 22, 2012
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“[T]he more complicated the forms assumed by civilization, the more restricted the freedom of the individual must become.â€

Benito Mussolini
Grand Fascist Council Report, 1929

When I was a kid, the morning announcements at my taxpayer-funded public school dragged on for a good 15 or 20 minutes. They announced the birthdays. They told us what was for lunch. For some reason they even told us the weather, as if a bunch of 6-year olds cared what the relative humidity was.

Then we broke out into the propaganda. We recited the Pledge of Allegiance. Then we sang the national anthem. Then we sang America the Beautiful. THEN we sang the state anthem, “Texas our Texasâ€. I still hear it in my sleep from time to time.

It’s bizarre, when you think about it. Children are indoctrinated from such a young age to subordinate themselves to the ‘republic,’ a system of government. They learn that the state is paramount above all else, and the belief is inculcated at a time when young minds are typically incapable of rational analysis.

It seems difficult to heavily distinguish such practices from those of the Deutsches Jungvolk section of the HJ– the Hitler Youth organization for 10-14 year old boys that instilled loyalty to the Third Reich above all else.

Children learn that the United States stands for liberty… the land of the free. It’s simply not questioned. That’s what they’re told, that’s what they grow up believing. But as Hayek wrote in the early 1940s,

“Freedom and liberty are now words so worn with use and abuse that one must hesitate to employ them to express the ideals for which they [used to stand.]â€

‘Freedom’ now comes with all sorts of strings attached, special stipulations. These days, we’re told: “You’re free. Now follow all of these regulations that are interpreted at the exclusive discretion of hundreds of executive agencies under the penalty of imprisonment and/or financial penalties so egregious that you’ll be paying for the rest of your natural life.â€

The rule of law no longer exists– not in the United States, not in the western world.

In the EU, member states and unelected, supranational agencies are now routinely violating their own charters and international agreements to bail out, print, and borrow however much they want, whenever they want, irrespective of what the law says.

Moreover, hundreds of US government executive agencies and their ever-expanding authorities are creating a complex ‘shadow code’ system of policies and regulations, each of which can be interpreted in the sole discretion of a single bureaucrat who’s out to get you.

Consider:

* US-based Gibson Guitar Corp has twice been raided by FBI agents on suspicion of importing wood that violates India’s trade regulations. They don’t care that Gibson’s CEO has a memo from the Indian government approving the deal. The wood remains confiscated, even though charges have never been filed.

* There’s a regulation on the books, buried deep within the system, requiring you to first fill out a form with the Census Bureau of all places. It’s rarely (if ever) enforced, but it exists… and anyone who doesn’t do it is subject to fine and/or imprisonment at the pleasure of the Census Bureau.

* A few months ago, a fisherman from New Bedford, Mass. accidentally caught an 800-pound bluefin tuna in his trawl gear after setting out from dock. It was freakish good fortune, albeit short-lived. The man was relieved of his tuna by the National Maritime Fisheries Service because there is ‘no permit that allows catching bluefin with a trawl net.’

* Even having too much cash now can be considered a criminal offense. There are countless stories like Anthony Smelley’s, who in 2009 was pulled over on I-70 in Putnam County, Indiana and found with $17,500 in cash. He was able to prove that the money was his, legitimately. It didn’t matter. He was relieved of the cash, but charged with no crime.

* You can’t so much as apply for a passport now without being threatened with “fine and/or imprisonment under U.S. law including the provisions of 18 USC 1001, 18 USC 1542, and/or 18 USC 1621.†The same goes for ‘alteration of a passport’ or even using a passport ‘in violation of the restrictions contained herein..’, whatever that’s supposed to mean.

This is not the land of the free. The US government’s extraordinary network of codes, regulations, and policies has created a nation of citizens who live in a state of constant violation, governed by criminals who have the authority to defraud them.

A few months ago, one obscure police agency of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) was found having spent several hundred thousand dollars of funds and assets that were confiscated from fishermen (without charge) to buy a luxury boat that was used for pleasure cruises and barbecues.

In 2008, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives submitted a request for bids to purchase 2,000 Leatherman pocketknives for its agents. The ATF wanted the knives to be inscribed with the phrase “Always Think Forfeitureâ€, as in ATF.

The order was rescinded after it was reported in the Idaho Statesman… but it’s emblematic of how government agencies view their role… and ours.

At this moment, you are guilty of dozens of crimes and/or regulatory violations. Such rules are selectively enforced; the rule of law means nothing, it’s all about who your connections are, whose palms are greased, and whose campaign you enriched.

Like a cheap credit card offer, all the song and dance about ‘land of the free’ comes with fine print at the bottom of the page– “terms and conditions may apply, void where prohibited.†This is not freedom. It’s freedom*
Actions like these by a government are usually reserved for "Banana Republics".

Here's one I stumbled upon at zerohedge.com by Simon Black a couple weeks back that some may find interesting. It's over a year old now, but still, obviously, very relevant to today:

Simon Black Advocates Leaving America As The "Most Effective" Way To Fight The Battle With "The Mob-Installed Government Beast"

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/si...ctive-way-fight-battle-mob-installed-governme

I see that the article Jimmy submitted is from Santiago, Chile. Simon must've taken his own advice and already escaped.

Anyway, there's some really good responses (both concurring and dissenting) and some that are just very informational as well.
 

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George Orwell was only off by a few years. Freedom is Slavery. War is Peace. Celebrate Diversity.
 

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0'bummer signs Exective Order Thursday, March 16th, stating that...

The President and his specifically designated Secretaries now have the authority to commandeer all domestic U.S. resources including food and water. The EO also states that the President and his Secretaries have the authority to seize all transportation, energy, and infrastructure inside the United States as well as forcibly induct/draft American citizens into the military. The EO also contains a vague reference in regards to harnessing American citizens to fulfill "labor requirements" for the purposes of national defense.

http://www.infowars.com/new-obama-e...cture-and-citizens-for-military-preparedness/
 
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