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Quiet Speed actually nailed it. Tebow was a decent passer coming out college, but with the critics constantly talking about his throwing motion and mechanics, he decided to make a change. The attempts to "fix" things is what ****** it all up, and probably getting to him mentally a little bit. And now, he's no longer able make consistent and accurate throws that a starting caliber NFL QB needs to make.

But it's not too late. As it's been mentioned, a team needs to build around him and his skill set, and take advantage of his unique athletic abilities. Being jerked around by the NYJ and losing an entire year is extremely unfortunate.
 

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If we've learned anything in caste football it is that the media is very effective in brainwashing the masses of idiots. We also know when it comes to our athletes its all about opportunity and not numbers. Is Mike Haas bad at catching the football because he has no receptions? How retarded would that statement be. So how is Tim Tebow bad at passing? 17 tds to 9 ints (take one NE game out and it's only 5 ints) almost exactly replicates RGIII's (master of the bubble screen) numbers this year (18-5) with just about exactly the same amount of opportunities (360 attempts vs. 354). Yet, one is considered the NFL MVP and the future of the NFL while the other is discarded as unable to play QB and may never be allowed to start in the NFL again?


My question is why do some of us on castefootball still repeat the media lies? Tebow hasn't thrown the ball badly at all. In fact, he has thrown it very well. We all saw him win games singlehandedly in the 4th quarter repeatedly with his ARM. We all saw him pass extremely accurately in college. We can all read his total numbers (17-9). We all know that passing only on third and long will reduce every quarterbacks completion percentage. Would he be a better passer if they called more bubble screens and 3 yard hooks? And yet when the media tells us he sucks at passing some of us actually believe it.
 

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If we've learned anything in caste football it is that the media is very effective in brainwashing the masses of idiots. We also know when it comes to our athletes its all about opportunity and not numbers. Is Mike Haas bad at catching the football because he has no receptions? How retarded would that statement be. So how is Tim Tebow bad at passing? 17 tds to 9 ints (take one NE game out and it's only 5 ints) almost exactly replicates RGIII's (master of the bubble screen) numbers this year (18-5) with just about exactly the same amount of opportunities (360 attempts vs. 354). Yet, one is considered the NFL MVP and the future of the NFL while the other is discarded as unable to play QB and may never be allowed to start in the NFL again?


My question is why do some of us on castefootball still repeat the media lies? Tebow hasn't thrown the ball badly at all. In fact, he has thrown it very well. We all saw him win games singlehandedly in the 4th quarter repeatedly with his ARM. We all saw him pass extremely accurately in college. We can all read his total numbers (17-9). We all know that passing only on third and long will reduce every quarterbacks completion percentage. Would he be a better passer if they called more bubble screens and 3 yard hooks? And yet when the media tells us he sucks at passing some of us actually believe it.

I think part of it is visual. He's a lefty and that is always going to look different and awkward compared to righty's because there are so many of them. Plus he does not have a smooth fluid motion and his passes aren't tight spirals. That's not to say that a QB has to have a fluid motion or throw tight spirals but it helps when people are watching closely.

The high level of scrutiny on Tebow makes every errant pass noticible. Plus he is not really being compared to RGIII but guys like Andrew Luck because of the way people assume a White QB should be. And considering White QB's come in to the league as sharp shooters when it comes to passing a guy like Tebow who has other talents will not seem to measure up. If Tebow were black he would be into his third year starting and if he had done what he did last year he would be a legend.

A White QB cannot be an athlete first. He has to be a thrower first and if there is some athleticism involved that is a plus. A black QB is always an athlete first and if there is some thrower skills included then he is assured of a long career. That's the way it is in the NFL and it's been that way for a long time.
 

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I remember Tebow throwing effectively at Florida and then looking very good when he started several games at the end of his rookie season with the Broncos, and then not looking good throwing the ball a lot of the time in 2011. He did become a legend of sorts by winning so many games last year, but he also had a pattern of not doing anything in those games until late in the fourth quarter.

I have always been a big Eric Decker fan, and Decker's productivity went from being one of the best receivers in the league when Kyle Orton was starting, to not doing much of anything once Tebow replaced Orton. Decker was repeatedly underthrown and overthrown, and some of the passes were downright awful. It's frustrating when you're rooting for one of the very few White receivers "allowed" to start on the outside and see him get open deep time and again only to have the pass land nowhere near him. It's undeniable that the Denver passing game has improved light years this season after signing Peyton Manning.

Tebow may have lost confidence, or maybe it was the scheme, or a combination of that and other factors such as his mechanics declining due to being forced to change his throwing motion, but he didn't look good passing last season which made it easy for the media to dump all over him.

Byron Leftwich was never forced to change his throwing motion; it was just accepted that he had a long windup. Tebow shouldn't have had to change his mechanics, but he did and now it will be tough for him to get a genuine opportunity to start as he's been screwed by the Caste System and the media (which are effectively one and the same); the only way he'll get another chance now is by performing well immediately in the passing game. There's no question he's been treated very unfairly because of racism and fear of him busting a paradigm that allows for White QBs to be good but not great runners.

I guess I don't get as upset as some about Tebow's situation because for over 30 years I've been watching one potentially great White QB, WR, RB and defensive player after another get screwed. I'm still angry about what happened to Eric Crouch, Matt Jones and some other great running quarterbacks; Tebow isn't the first and won't be the last to not be allowed to utilize his gifts in the NFL.
 

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My question is why do some of us on castefootball still repeat the media lies?

The most effective form of brainwashing is also the most basic. REPETITION! The media repeats their lies so much, so consistently that even the most open minded, aware individuals will start repeating them too. I see it all the time here on the ONLY white friendly sports website in the world. I think a lot of it has to do with not wanting to seem too extreme. Like "hey lets not get carried away here", or "thats just a bit too much".
 
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The most effective form of brainwashing is also the most basic. REPETITION! The media repeats their lies so much, so consistently that even the most open minded, aware individuals will start repeating them too. I see it all the time here on the ONLY white friendly sports website in the world. I think a lot of it has to do with not wanting to seem too extreme. Like "hey lets not get carried away here", or "thats just a bit too much".
I just always thought Tebow was not that good passer. Joe Montana never looked good for 3 quarters and then would just turn it on. Great qbs are CONSISTENT.
 

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I just always thought Tebow was not that good passer. Joe Montana never looked good for 3 quarters and then would just turn it on. Great qbs are CONSISTENT.
Go look up his final collegiate game at Florida against Cincinnati, and then tell me that he was not a good passer.

Edit: Here are some highlights of the "not that good passer" Tebow in that game:

[video=youtube;VWRzN8YCsqQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWRzN8YCsqQ[/video]
 

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Ok Don, we are in a battle for the Lambert League championship this week so I see no better time to pick a fight with you and call you out as the owner of this site. Did you really see "a lot" of balls fall no where near Decker or did you see a lot of hand offs in the first three quarters? I know I saw "a lot" handoffs and designed quarterback runs? I believe the stats and merrily watching the game would show that to be the case. Erik Decker was also a bit of a walking wounded the last half of last year - I think he even missed the playoffs. Decker did, however, do quite well when Tebow first started even with very few pass plays attempted in a scheme designed to fail. He's got Peyton Manning throwing the ball 40 times a game now and he is still behind D. Thomas. I'm a big Decker fan too and a big Manning fan. I hope Decker's talent will eventually overtake D. Thomas and I hope he will be one of the top in the league sometime in the future, but he isn't right now according to he stats.

Throwing motion, practice play, wobbly ball, psyche etc. those are all media invented propaganda pieces that even you Don bought in to. All completely invented just before he entered the draft up and last year and repeated ad nausem ever since. Where's the evidence? Do we have clips of him stinking it up in practice? Many practices and pre-game warm-ups are recorded and can be found on the internet. I saw nothing but accuracy in those clips. I'd like to at least see the evidence. I guess I'm strange that way.

Throwing motion? That's the biggest joke. I'll guarantee you that you can take a media talking suit and 100 average joe DWFs and then put Peyton Manning in a strange uniform and tell him it's Joe McDuff who sucks at throwing because his arm isn't exactly the right angle at such and such a point according our super fancy scouting protractor and abicus calculations. Every single average Joe will agree that Joe McDuff definetly sucks because of throwing motion. Besides that the DWF's would also notice on their own that Joe McDuff nearly throws every single ball with a pronounced wobble. That would seal the deal. Off to Canada!

I wonder how that same throwing motion was so accurate in college and yet so inaccurate with a whole lot of professional practice. He must be practicing wrong! That's what some talking head said anyway so it must be true. What a minute, was he inaccurate in comparison to other young quarterbacks? Well, not according to the stats as pointed out by Carolina speed, but according to the suits he was so I guess the suits are right.

Well, he psyche must be shot. That's got to be it right there. ESPN radio said so. Just look at how someone's confidence can be shot by a series of miracle victories and a huge playoff performance. After being the greatest player in college football history I'm really sure he has a confidence problem.

Well, it's a snow day for this union teacher and this is part of how I'm spending it and I could care less what some of you Mitt Romney and Scott Walker fans think about it. Now, I'm going to go buy some ammo :peace:
 

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I just always thought Tebow was not that good passer. Joe Montana never looked good for 3 quarters and then would just turn it on. Great qbs are CONSISTENT.

Was Joe allowed to pass on first and second down the first 3 quarters? Was he allowed more than one season to develop? You have an invalid arguement.
 
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Was Joe allowed to pass on first and second down the first 3 quarters? Was he allowed more than one season to develop? You have an invalid arguement.
I see your point but Tebow was most famous last year for those last quarter come from behind wins. I am not a scout so to speak but even Tebow's own teamates this year said he was really not that good especially in practice. Yes he can throw the ball and is a natural leader but I would take the " Gremlin " over him any day.
 

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Absolutely amazing.:crazy::crazy:
 

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I see your point but Tebow was most famous last year for those last quarter come from behind wins. I am not a scout so to speak but even Tebow's own teamates this year said he was really not that good especially in practice. Yes he can throw the ball and is a natural leader but I would take the " Gremlin " over him any day.
You do that. Gremlin will be spending plenty of Sundays on the inactive injury list because of his small Michael (QB Dog Killer) Vick-like frame, while Tebow will keep on playing.
 
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You do that. Gremlin will be spending plenty of Sundays on the inactive injury list because of his small Michael (QB Dog Killer) Vick-like frame, while Tebow will keep on playing.
I like Tebow but all the scouts and coaches can't be totally wrong on this one. Yes he is heavily scrutinized but there is not much of a caste syestem in place against quarterbacks unlike the other skill positions at earlier levels. RG 3 gets a lot of scrutiny to and though I don't like his mud shark ways he seems like a decent guy though I agree he is over-hyped but he still is a pretty good qb. Though I would take Luck over the gremlin in a second. Tim Tebow is probably a marginal qb in this league at best. Hopefully he gets a chance elsewhere to prove me wrong.
 

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I see your point but Tebow was most famous last year for those last quarter come from behind wins. I am not a scout so to speak but even Tebow's own teamates this year said he was really not that good especially in practice. Yes he can throw the ball and is a natural leader but I would take the " Gremlin " over him any day.

Wow, so a few unnamed sources for teamates didn't like Tebow and bought the cow based just on that? Do you get your wool sheered once or twice a year? I wonder why RGIII's teamates never criticize him. Maybe it's because HE'S A BROTHA! dah.

BTW, Tebow had the #1 QBR rating last year in the last five minutes of games.
 
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I like Tebow but all the scouts and coaches can't be totally wrong on this one. Yes he is heavily scrutinized but there is not much of a caste syestem in place against quarterbacks unlike the other skill positions at earlier levels. RG 3 gets a lot of scrutiny to and though I don't like his mud shark ways he seems like a decent guy though I agree he is over-hyped but he still is a pretty good qb. Though I would take Luck over the gremlin in a second. Tim Tebow is probably a marginal qb in this league at best. Hopefully he gets a chance elsewhere to prove me wrong.

All the scouts and coaches can't be wrong??? Now that was funny. I guess we have to end the mission of this website. RGIII gets "a lot" of criticism? Beem me up. I've obviously landed in Bizzaro world. :alien:
 

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I think another thing people have to remember about Tebow's completion ratio is that he had the highest ratio of deep passes attempted in the past 3 years, no qb has a 50 percent or higher completion ratio on deep balls, he is 21 percent, the 2nd highest is by Newton at 17 percent, and most qbs well below 15. Newton has a higher completion ratio but more interceptions during the time period, (I believe it was from 2009-2011). I am sure his percentage would be much higher, since there were many deep plays called where either no one was open or he didn't have time for the play to develop and he just ran with it.

The 4th quarter is when they did let him loose, ESPN said in the last 5 minutes of games in 2011, Tebow had the highest total qbr of any passer.

I don't think you can watch ESPN for a day without hearing about Tebow's problems as a qb. I literally just turned it on while typing this and it was Todd McShay and Kiper talking about Tebow, the first thing "not an nfl caliber passer". Tavaris Jackson got how many years?

but I really don't mind him not playing qb, I have always wanted him to play rb, he has the skills for it. He is never going to be used to his fullest potential playing qb because no team is ever going to utilize his talents to the fullest, so we will always have to have excuses and "if" scenarios. There will be no teams incorporating the plays he used at UF the way the Redskins have incorporated what Rg3 ran at Baylor. Yes he got to run a few option plays but nothing like the variety rg3 is getting in Washington. Defenders have already stated they dislike having to face Washington the most this year because of all of the different things they have to account for, one saying he'd rather face Drew Brees, and it had nothing to do with the talent level of rg3, just the fact that they run so many different plays that they aren't accustomed to seeing in the NFL.

what Tebow got in Denver with Fox is the most variety he is going to see. I don't think Fox was trying to sabotage his career, he just isn't that great of a coach. He has always taken a very old school conservative approach. Yeah its different this year but Manning has ran his own offense for a while now. The whole only passing deep on 3rd and long, thats what Jake Delhomme had to deal with most of his career, to the point where people said he sucked and he only lobbed up deep passes for Steve Smith to fight for. Jake Delhomme looked much better the few times he got to play for the Saints with Mike McCarthy as the offensive coordinator.

As for the Saints and throwing the deep ball, Drew Brees had the highest number of deep ball tds from 2009 to 2011 with 41, 10 higher than the 2nd guy on the list...so much for "only gets cheap tds at the goal line"

the gremlin over Tebow? lol get out of here man. If you put Tebow in that offense he'd be putting up the same, if not better stats, plus his body would hold up over an entire season. The Gremlin rarely has to throw deep, a few weeks ago he had the least amount of passes over 15 yards, I doubt that has changed. Thats pathetic when they run so many play action fakes and he has so many great matchups. I just watched the all 22 film of the Redskins vs the Giants. There were a bunch of times where he would roll out, have a guy open down the field and he would just throw to the guy underneath. He only takes shots when his guy is WIDE open, usually by a few yards. He has 4 passes over 50 yards on 350 attempts, Cousins has 2 on 48. I know for a fact that one of those 50+ yard plays was a screen to Garcon against the Saints. I have never seen Griffin make a pass like Cousins did on that 54 yard td pass, which was on the run, at least 40 yards in the air, between 3 defenders. rg3 is the polar opposite of Tebow right now in terms of deep throws. Tebow wasn't the most accurate on deep throws, but at least he took his shots down the field, well not like he had much of a choice on many plays but still.

not a caste system against qbs? wtf are you talking about? the caste system is exactly why Alex Smith isn't playing qb right now, why Colin Kaepernick was a 2nd round pick and Chandler Harnish was mr. irrelevent despite similar careers against similar competition, but heres the thing that gave Colin the edge in college, his coach is the guy who came up with the whole pistol offense. Well the pistol is more of a formation but he incorporated it with the spread option, I am sure the coaches that Harnish had were great but Ault is one of the top guys.
 
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All the scouts and coaches can't be wrong??? Now that was funny. I guess we have to end the mission of this website. RGIII gets "a lot" of criticism? Beem me up. I've obviously landed in Bizzaro world. :alien:

Yes indeed. Upside down backwards world. Its all about repetition. Repetition works so well its scary. None of us are immune to it, but some are completely defenseless against it.
 
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Wow, so a few unnamed sources for teamates didn't like Tebow and bought the cow based just on that? Do you get your wool sheered once or twice a year? I wonder why RGIII's teamates never criticize him. Maybe it's because HE'S A BROTHA! dah.

BTW, Tebow had the #1 QBR rating last year in the last five minutes of games.
If Tebow was really that good wouldint he have been taken earleir in the draft? We are not the only so called experts out there. If he was good enough Ryan barring the rib injury would have played him more. Whether or not its racial , religious or whatever maybe a lot of the people in the business know a little more than most of us. I am still going to argue white wr's, rbs and dbs don't get chances because of the caste system but with qb that sentiment is not quite as prevalent. Maybe... MAYBE Tebow is not good enough. As I said in other threads I would love to see the Patriots utilize Welker, Gronk, Edelman and Woodhead more but in the end of the day the coach right or wrong is going to go with what he thinks is the best. Clearly Sanchez is an awful qb but what does that say about Ryan's beliefs in Tebow?
 

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If Tebow was really that good wouldint he have been taken earleir in the draft? We are not the only so called experts out there. If he was good enough Ryan barring the rib injury would have played him more. Whether or not its racial , religious or whatever maybe a lot of the people in the business know a little more than most of us. I am still going to argue white wr's, rbs and dbs don't get chances because of the caste system but with qb that sentiment is not quite as prevalent. Maybe... MAYBE Tebow is not good enough. As I said in other threads I would love to see the Patriots utilize Welker, Gronk, Edelman and Woodhead more but in the end of the day the coach right or wrong is going to go with what he thinks is the best. Clearly Sanchez is an awful qb but what does that say about Ryan's beliefs in Tebow?

please stop, you sound just like the typical dwf. Why did Toby Gerhart fall? Why isn't Brian Leonard given a chance now that he isn't behind Steven Jackson? Why did Scott Frost have to play safety? why did Eric Crouch have to play wr when Michael Vick got to stay at qb? When exactly has a White dual threat qb gotten a chance to play qb? Steve Young? why did he have to wait for years behind Joe Montana? why didn't he start with the Buccaneers? Why doesn't Tannehill get to run option plays like Rg3 like he did at Texas A&M? he can run, he was a wideout for 2 years

you act like these scouts and coaches are the brightest people in the world. They spend a ridiculous amount of time with football yet many aren't that great. Rex Ryan doesn't know squat about offense and is going to be out of a job, and probably back to dc next year. Ive been around college coaches, met scouts, I go to the Senior Bowl almost every year got to meet some cool guys whoopty doo, but they aren't the brightest people. Many don't think outside of the box. Would I call it stereotypical thinking or is it group think? Nobody likes to go too far out with their opinions in the scouting community, they copy off of each other for the most part and change things up just a little bit. I mean I had a scout tell me that Brian Cushing of all people was "not the most athletic guy"

Josh McDaniels gets a lot of **** on here for his treatment of Hillis, but he was one of the few guys to think outside of the box with Tebow, by drafting him, letting him run some "wildcat" plays his first year while developing him, remember how guys used to sit and learn for a few seasons? kind of like how black qbs get 5 years to play not so with Whites, not only can they not sit and learn, they have to produce right away. Why is that? thats not the caste system is it? couldn't be..... Could it be that McDaniels KNEW Tebow could play because Bellicheck sent him out to UF before the 2007 season to incorporate aspects of the UF passing offense into the Patriots offense? His packages for Tebow during his rookie year were much more creative than the crap that Rex Ryan had him running this year. If McDaniels wasn't fired, who knows, maybe we see Tebow run his full UF offense in Denver? He wasn't fair to Hillis but he is a smarter coach in terms of offensive schemes and even he screws up, trying to recreate the 2007 Patriots offense with Lloyd playing the role of Randy Moss...didn't happen but he kept forcing it for like 5 games. Stubborn. Just like how the more denver fans called for Hillis the more he reduced his role. And there are many coaches not even close to being as bright as McDaniels that are stubborn in their ways.

you believe White rbs, wrs are discriminated against but not dual threat qbs? its the same thing. They only envision blacks that can be runners in the NFL, if Whites did it in college its always "won't translate to the NFL", if they did it in high school its "won't translate to college". The same **** they say about White receivers and runningbacks. If a White guy can run then he better have great passing skills and learn how to stay in the pocket. Look at Jake Locker, why did he fall? Why isn't he used on option plays, he ran them at Washington. Yeah someone said because of his injury issues you don't want to run him, like staying in the pocket and getting hit from the blindside has done him any favors.

Why are they ALREADY putting down Johnny Manziel as a pro prospect after his FRESHMAN year, one of the most amazing players I have ever seen, oh "it won't translate to the NFL"

as far as Welker, Edelman, Woodhead and Gronk,I think Bellicheck is trying to use as many guys as possible without getting called out for being "racist", he can't have Woodhead as a feature back getting 1k rushing, have Gronk get 1k with Welker getting 100 receptions while Edelman is the deep threat playing where Lloyd is right now. That just wouldn't fly right now. He is doing what he thinks is best within the limits of the caste system. He has already pushed the limits further than most coaches, he might have to go farther to win the Superbowl, and with as White as his team is, they might have to win the Superbowl this year in order for them to keep the ratio of Whites on the team the same.

everyone is saying that the Sanders comparison to Woodhead is ridiculous HERE on caste football but it isn't that ridiculous. Woodhead can make people miss just as well imo, they just have different styles, Sanders was more fluid in his moves while Woodhead looks more like a darter. Sanders would get -2, 2 yard, 1 then a 40 yarder. Not a guy you would want to have if you want consistency and keep drives alive. Woodhead is pretty consistent, 3 yard gain, 5 yard gain, 10 yard gain, and this is all running pretty much the same play. He averaged 4.6 ypc last year without breaking off a run longer than 12, and it was mostly draws in the hurry up. If he got to run more of a variety then he would be breaking off bigger plays like in 2010. Now if he were more like Sanders in terms of consistency, I would understand why Ridley and Lawfirm got the ball more than him, because they move the chains. Right now, thats all Bellicheck really needs out of his backs, consistency to move the chains and keep defenses honest against the pass. He doesn't really need big plays from them right now in order to win, thats what the passing game is for, but as we saw, it started to fall off the past few weeks without Gronk because nobody can get open with all the coverage on Welker, Hernandez catches 10 out of 19 targets? thats almost 50 percent. Without Woodhead last week I don't think they get back in the game like they did. Hopefully that increases his role in the future but with Gronk back its unlikely.

you come off as a troll way too much and its comments like this that make it worse.
 
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Yes, you are right. What were we thinking in questioning the "NFL experts." We should go back to being mindless blobs. The government will do what is best for us. Our politicians are the "political experts" so they are always right and we are always wrong. Our economist "experts" at the Federal Reserve have obviously worked out a perfect system because they are the "experts" on money. Silly of us stupid white men who have never accomplished anything in the history of the world to ever question "the experts."

You know what - screw that. I know I can take 99% of those so-called "experts" out to the playing field and kick their ass in nearly any game involving athletic competition. Just as my ancestors would have kicked ass on the battlefield against some the ancestors of the "so-called" experts. Why would I let those unathletic idiots tell me anything about football? Or anything else for that matter.
 

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We have one advantage over the Castenicks, they are clowns to a T. They really have no more legitimacy and if you debate them you must emphasize this as much as your "facts."
 

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dwid said, " you come off as a troll way too much"

I'm not sure WDB is a troll, but everytime he strays from the high school football thread, this seems to happen. I appreciate the information you give us on that thread, although there's some big ones you haven't found yet, but you dont' really get the point in this case!

Perhaps you should review my earlier post about QB's such as Vick, McNabb, Russell, and Freeman!

Josh Freeman 10 TD's, 18 INT's, 59 QB rating first year, yet he's been given every opportunity to succeed!

Tim Tebow 17 TD's , 9 INT's 77 QB rating/ 1 1/2 years.

The so-called experts threw a National Champion/Heisman Trophy winner/67% comp/177QB rating under the bus before he left Florida. Why? WDB, can you answer that?

The point is why hasn't TT been given the same discretion as other QB's with his abilities?

If he gets the same opportunity and fails, so be it, but that hasn't happened yet.

Again, let's hope he will get a legitimate chance to develop the way others have!
 
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dwid said, " you come off as a troll way too much"

I'm not sure WDB is a troll, but everytime he strays from the high school football thread, this seems to happen. I appreciate the information you give us on that thread, although there's some big ones you haven't found yet, but you dont' really get the point in this case!

Perhaps you should review my earlier post about QB's such as Vick, McNabb, Russell, and Freeman!

Josh Freeman 10 TD's, 18 INT's, 59 QB rating first year, yet he's been given every opportunity to succeed!

Tim Tebow 17 TD's , 9 INT's 77 QB rating/ 1 1/2 years.

The so-called experts threw a National Champion/Heisman Trophy winner/67% comp/177QB rating under the bus before he left Florida. Why? WDB, can you answer that?

The point is why hasn't TT been given the same descretion as other QB's with his abilities?

If he gets the same opportunity and fails, so be it, but that hasn't happened yet.

Again, let's hope he will get a legitimate chance to develop the way others have!
You have some points but with me and the skill positions is that this is an emotional issue not just a factual one. Not every white player gets thrown under the bus like Crouch or Tebow. Personally Crouch should have been given a chance at rb not wr. Yes he was a GREAT college player and of course his statistics are better than Josh Freemans but once again a coach is going to go with what he sees in practice everyday. Its also easy for me to hype a high school guy based on his highlights but they rarely show any lowlights. I just try to get guys out there that ARE fast and atheltic. This to me is more of an emotional issue because he is so high profile because of his Christianity buit obviously thats not all of it. There are lots of black players that are on a short leash to perform yet there are just as many pointed out on this site that get chance after chance. Tebow from what I saw in FLorida and the minimal playing time for the Jets and Denver was not that impressive. HIs #s might state otherwise but there are plenty of white qb's that stayed in the league that were worse than Tebow. Does Ryan Leaf ring a bell. I think scouts are going to pidgeon hole white athletes out of steretyping but COACHES are going to go with what they see day in and day out. A coach is going to go with the best he has and though I agree Ryan is no offensive guru he went with an awful qb and once again what does that say about Tebow's abilities at least in NY where the media scrutiny and pressure is intense. I hope he gets a chance somewhere else to showcase his talent though thrown under the bus or not he did not have it in the Big Apple.
 

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Yeah he posts a ton of high school athletes but its not like he is a ToughJRiggins, who nailed many of the top runningback prospects out of high school like Swope (even though hes playing slot receiver), He even hit on Zwinak who just had a 1,000 yards without playing in 3 games. He also did well with White receivers. We still have two guys on here, I believe Riddlewire and Jimmy Chitwood that provide great insight on players from Arkansas. Heres a tip on that. Its great to hear about a bunch of White athletes in high school but try to analyze their play a little better. Not many people have the time to try and go through all of those guys so when you flood the boards with a bunch of guys with a few sentences not many people pay attention. Rank the top guys and don't worry so much about the guys on the fringe in terms of ability. We know their are a ton of White kids playing high school football. Tell us what makes a guy stand out from the rest. Just because a guy is White and plays high school football doesn't mean he is FBS material. It seems like you are just posting anybody thats White at times.

and there he goes again with another idiotic post. Tell me which black guys are on a short leash? Why the Ryan Leaf reference? you know how ****ing old that is? Coaches aren't the brightest, get it through your thick skull. The qb position is no different than other positions. I mean the caste system is even affecting White offensive lineman, NO POSITION is immune to it.

Yeah not every White player gets thrown under the bus like Crouch or Tebow, most are ignored like Chandler Harnish. What exactly were you not impressed with when Tebow played at UF? I can't think of anyone even your precious scouts who weren't impressed with Tebow as a college player.
 
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