NFL Week 15

[Carolina Speed]

dwid, good Sanders/Woodhead comparison. Heard John Lynch on The Dan Patrick Show yesterday say, Sanders wasn't much of a fighter if you could get your hands on him, thus the reasoning on the 1 to 2 yard carries.

There seems to be alot more fight in Woodhead after the initial hit!

BTW, does anyone know where TJR has been?

 

[FootballDad]

I think scouts are going to pidgeon hole white athletes out of steretyping but COACHES are going to go with what they see day in and day out. A coach is going to go with the best he has.

I found this to be a fascinating DWF-like observation. Similar to hearing "the best players play". The notion of black athletic superiority is so ingrained into the minds of most coaches and scouts, that even an outstanding white player is rarely as good as the "supa affletic looking" black player in their minds. As for the practice reference, how about Danny Woodhead when he was with the Jets? He DOMINATED every day in practice. The players would refer to these practices as "The Danny Woodhead Show", and where did that get him? A spot on the bench watching inferior runners and occasional time as a WSTD. There are countless other examples, yet in the coaches minds, white players, in spite of outstanding practice performance, do not have the magical "upside" that blacks do.

 

[white defensive back]

Who are WE to decide who the best players are? God its like pulling teeth. We all know talented white players get screwed over. Its a fact. But we are not there every day in the trenches. Maybe Woodhead fumbles a lot in practice? And though its been documented of Vereen and Ridley's fumbling problems in the past it was quite easy to see that Belicheck DID pull them after fumbling problems last week. I have argued before that Woodhead is an awesome back but he also is very small and light. Coaches have their reasons and if we do not agree with who they play or do not play thats up to them but I'm pretty sure they are going to try and win with what they think is best. If someone here thinks that some coach has the caste system disease in his head shoot him an email or give him a phone call.
I'm saying the best players don't get drafted of given third and 4th chances like many undeserving players because of an illogical preconcieved notion BUT when it comes to your 53 man roster you have to go with what you think is best. Right or wrong.

 

[jaxvid]

Talk about emotion? I'm not an expert. I'm a fan. I may not know who's good but I know what I like. I like a gritty, gutsy, 4th quarter guy that never gives up and plays great in the clutch. I like a smart AND athletic player that is also a good person. Who needs scouting reports and detailed statistics when I can see it with my own eyes? And there are millions more like me.

What I don't like is that there is a failing franchise in Florida a place where this kid would be box office dynamite and the NFL can't get him there. The NFL is not some sort of rational meritocracy where everyone is judged on statistics. Although "WINS" is pretty popular and he managed to generate a lot of those.

What kind of a busines buries a guy who could make big bucks for them? A business with another agenda then just making money I guess. Compare the sh*tty treatment he has gotten in comparison to other much less popular black busts that were only able to get chances because of the NFL's desire to serve a racial (anti-White) agenda.

They can kiss my ass.

 

[Wes Woodhead]

This idea of coaches playing the best players is just ludicrous! Hell its laughable, and I cant believe any rational man could believe such garbage. I dont think any coach is an idiot by a long shot. These guys all been around football their whole lives, and they got good sense. They know they are screwing white players. They know winning isnt the most important thing. They know their satan worshiping puppet masters would not take kindly to them providing solid role models for our young brethren.

 

[Carolina Speed]

You have some points but with me and the skill positions is that this is an emotional issue not just a factual one. Not every white player gets thrown under the bus like Crouch or Tebow. Personally Crouch should have been given a chance at rb not wr. Yes he was a GREAT college player and of course his statistics are better than Josh Freemans but once again a coach is going to go with what he sees in practice everyday. Its also easy for me to hype a high school guy based on his highlights but they rarely show any lowlights. I just try to get guys out there that ARE fast and atheltic. This to me is more of an emotional issue because he is so high profile because of his Christianity buit obviously thats not all of it. There are lots of black players that are on a short leash to perform yet there are just as many pointed out on this site that get chance after chance. Tebow from what I saw in FLorida and the minimal playing time for the Jets and Denver was not that impressive. HIs #s might state otherwise but there are plenty of white qb's that stayed in the league that were worse than Tebow. Does Ryan Leaf ring a bell. I think scouts are going to pidgeon hole white athletes out of steretyping but COACHES are going to go with what they see day in and day out. A coach is going to go with the best he has and though I agree Ryan is no offensive guru he went with an awful qb and once again what does that say about Tebow's abilities at least in NY where the media scrutiny and pressure is intense. I hope he gets a chance somewhere else to showcase his talent though thrown under the bus or not he did not have it in the Big Apple.

"From what you saw in Florida Tebow not that impressive" D@#& are you one of those expert scouts?

I hope you never find one of those big ones I said you haven't found in High School yet. He won't have a chance in H377 of ever making it!

Is Todd McGay hiding on CF?

 

[Don Wassall]

Ok Don, we are in a battle for the Lambert League championship this week so I see no better time to pick a fight with you and call you out as the owner of this site. Did you really see "a lot" of balls fall no where near Decker or did you see a lot of hand offs in the first three quarters? I know I saw "a lot" handoffs and designed quarterback runs? I believe the stats and merrily watching the game would show that to be the case. Erik Decker was also a bit of a walking wounded the last half of last year - I think he even missed the playoffs. Decker did, however, do quite well when Tebow first started even with very few pass plays attempted in a scheme designed to fail. He's got Peyton Manning throwing the ball 40 times a game now and he is still behind D. Thomas. I'm a big Decker fan too and a big Manning fan. I hope Decker's talent will eventually overtake D. Thomas and I hope he will be one of the top in the league sometime in the future, but he isn't right now according to he stats.

Throwing motion, practice play, wobbly ball, psyche etc. those are all media invented propaganda pieces that even you Don bought in to. All completely invented just before he entered the draft up and last year and repeated ad nausem ever since. Where's the evidence? Do we have clips of him stinking it up in practice? Many practices and pre-game warm-ups are recorded and can be found on the internet. I saw nothing but accuracy in those clips. I'd like to at least see the evidence. I guess I'm strange that way.

Throwing motion? That's the biggest joke. I'll guarantee you that you can take a media talking suit and 100 average joe DWFs and then put Peyton Manning in a strange uniform and tell him it's Joe McDuff who sucks at throwing because his arm isn't exactly the right angle at such and such a point according our super fancy scouting protractor and abicus calculations. Every single average Joe will agree that Joe McDuff definetly sucks because of throwing motion. Besides that the DWF's would also notice on their own that Joe McDuff nearly throws every single ball with a pronounced wobble. That would seal the deal. Off to Canada!

I wonder how that same throwing motion was so accurate in college and yet so inaccurate with a whole lot of professional practice. He must be practicing wrong! That's what some talking head said anyway so it must be true. What a minute, was he inaccurate in comparison to other young quarterbacks? Well, not according to the stats as pointed out by Carolina speed, but according to the suits he was so I guess the suits are right.

Well, he psyche must be shot. That's got to be it right there. ESPN radio said so. Just look at how someone's confidence can be shot by a series of miracle victories and a huge playoff performance. After being the greatest player in college football history I'm really sure he has a confidence problem.

Well, it's a snow day for this union teacher and this is part of how I'm spending it and I could care less what some of you Mitt Romney and Scott Walker fans think about it. Now, I'm going to go buy some ammo eace:

Kaptain, I don't know what you expect me to say in response to our "fight." I thought I wrote a pro-Tebow post. I'm very much a Tebow fan and always have been. I admire his character even more, he's one of the few heroes we have in this very sick society who will stand up for what he believes in in the face of intense pressure and criticism not to.

You want me to agree with you that Tebow was a great passer last year, otherwise I'm "buying into media propaganda." Apparently that can be the only explanation for anyone who doesn't agree entirely with your assessment of him.

I don't think he was a great passer last year. He has a lot of potential, but a team will have to commit to him for one or more likely two seasons for him to succeed. That's the case with a lot of quarterbacks, and it's highly unlikely Tebow will be given that opportunity given his running ability and Christian beliefs.

As far as Decker, he's not behind Thomas. Thomas is fifth in the AFC with 78 receptions for 1,210 yards and 8 TDs. Decker is sixth in the AFC with 72 receptions for 923 yards and 9 TDs. Both are having great seasons. Thomas is used more as a deep threat while the more heady and versatile Decker is trusted to make a variety of plays. Thomas has a lot of talent; he's big, fast and can run well after the catch. For anyone to deny his ability is to have racial blinders on equivalent to those who can't see Decker's talent.

Decker's career trajectory over the past two seasons has been: among the leading AFC receivers and scorers the first half of 2011; then his production disappeared the second half of 2011 when Tebow was starting; followed by an entire season of excellent production in 2012. That's not media propaganda, those are facts. (BTW, Decker was injured in the playoff game against Pittsburgh, he didn't miss the playoffs as you stated.)

I'm thrilled Peyton Manning signed with Denver. He made the right choice and a great environment has been created for him to resume his genius ability as a quarterback. He's my favorite football player ever. I also root for Tebow, but I feel no obligation to "bend the knee" and agree with your assessment of his passing last season.

 

[dwid]

Who are WE to decide who the best players are? God its like pulling teeth. We all know talented white players get screwed over. Its a fact. But we are not there every day in the trenches. Maybe Woodhead fumbles a lot in practice? And though its been documented of Vereen and Ridley's fumbling problems in the past it was quite easy to see that Belicheck DID pull them after fumbling problems last week. I have argued before that Woodhead is an awesome back but he also is very small and light. Coaches have their reasons and if we do not agree with who they play or do not play thats up to them but I'm pretty sure they are going to try and win with what they think is best. If someone here thinks that some coach has the caste system disease in his head shoot him an email or give him a phone call.
I'm saying the best players don't get drafted of given third and 4th chances like many undeserving players because of an illogical preconcieved notion BUT when it comes to your 53 man roster you have to go with what you think is best. Right or wrong.

yeah coaches play the best players always.....now you have to resort to making up mistakes that Woodhead had in practice. Nope, no fumbling problem. If there was we would definetly hear about it, because they like to put down White athlets any way they can.

Do you think Mike Hass was dropping passes in practice as well? because everyone said he looked awesome in practice. The only excuse for his lack of playing time was "great practice player and lights it up, but hes slow". Gee I remember the same thing being said about Lance Moore who is shorter and slower, yet he is still on the same team, and gets plenty of targets every year in real games, something Hass never got, even though he caught everything thrown to him in practice, even though he routinely beat corners in practice. Its no different than the local FCS school ignoring the White kid on the scout team that routinely beats the starting cornerbacks in practice. Is the coach making the best descision? hmm maybe for his career, because you can do pretty damn mediocre as a coach and keep a job for a while as long as you have a really black roster, it seems like a black qb gives you even more job security as a head coach, just don't be an offensive coordinator beecause you'll be the one to blame for every failed season, but as far as putting the best talent out there....no.

Its no wonder you have had to change your user name like 8 different times because you are basically a troll, white defensive back or should I say matt harper or one of the other many screen names you had saying idiotic things over and over.....

and if you have anything to say to me you can say to me on here, don't private message me with your lame excuses.

 

[dwid]

This idea of coaches playing the best players is just ludicrous! Hell its laughable, and I cant believe any rational man could believe such garbage. I dont think any coach is an idiot by a long shot. These guys all been around football their whole lives, and they got good sense. They know they are screwing white players. They know winning isnt the most important thing. They know their satan worshiping puppet masters would not take kindly to them providing solid role models for our young brethren.

At the lower levels, I don't think this is the case all the time. Many coaches think the same as the average dwf, who many spend their entire lives around football. Many of these coaches sincerely think they are helping out those "poor underprivileged black youths", when I have to listen to a coach tell me that he wants to be able to walk into the ghetto with a football or a basketball and change lives blah blah something about getting them a college education and I'm supposed to keep a straight face? thats just torture. I really don't understand how overlooking poor grades and behavior is helping most of these guys in the long run which is one of the reasons why I said these guys aren't the brightest. So when people talk about these black athletes getting 2nd, 3rd and 4th chances in the NFL, its probably their 20th chance throughout high school.

Also, there is the issue of not pushing things too far. Everyone wants job security, many coaches, just like players, are afraid to speak out and do anything differently because they want to keep their jobs to support their families, so they all keep in line with the "correct" thinking. Now places like rotoworld, scout, alot people high up in those places, announcers like Chris Colinsworth who played the position and know whats up are evil. Guys like Don Beebe know whats up, they just don't speak out that much, they just run their facilities to help White athletes out and keep quiet and hope that the performance of White athletes off the field in the 40/shuttle will disprove the stereotypes.

 

[white defensive back]

"From what you saw in Florida Tebow not that impressive" D@#& are you one of those expert scouts?

I hope you never find one of those big ones I said you haven't found in High School yet. He won't have a chance in H377 of ever making it!

Is Todd McGay hiding on CF?

And I thought you were a Christian Carolina. Wow. I could ask you to be introspective but you won't. If I am not an expert scout which I am not then people say that he was incredible at Florida are ALSO not expert scouts. Yes he was a great runner, athlete and leader but he was also surrounded by some very good players including Riley Cooper.
And to say the Jews are behind keeping white athletes down. Maybe to a small degree but not all the owners are Jewish. Not all the writers are Jewish and not all the ones that are Jewish have an agenda but Im sure there probably are some definitely.
Calling someone McGay because you think he is screwing over white players ( and yes he is to a degree ) is very strange if you are a Christian. Love thy neighbor. Yeesh.
Tebow is a good qb but if he dosen't show it on the practice field he at least is not deserving in the Jets organization. Coaches ARE going to do what they think is best for the team to win and preserve their jobs though yes I'm sure that comes with some Castian thinking behind it.

 

[Carolina Speed]

And I thought you were a Christian Carolina. Wow. I could ask you to be introspective but you won't. If I am not an expert scout which I am not then people say that he was incredible at Florida are ALSO not expert scouts. Yes he was a great runner, athlete and leader but he was also surrounded by some very good players including Riley Cooper.
And to say the Jews are behind keeping white athletes down. Maybe to a small degree but not all the owners are Jewish. Not all the writers are Jewish and not all the ones that are Jewish have an agenda but Im sure there probably are some definitely.
Calling someone McGay because you think he is screwing over white players ( and yes he is to a degree ) is very strange if you are a Christian. Love thy neighbor. Yeesh.
Tebow is a good qb but if he dosen't show it on the practice field he at least is not deserving in the Jets organization. Coaches ARE going to do what they think is best for the team to win and preserve their jobs though yes I'm sure that comes with some Castian thinking behind it.

Yikes! WDB, just a little kidding! My apologies I thought Todd McShay was a Queer. If someone is Gay that's their problem if they or you have a problem with me calling them that! The truth is the truth, but in this case you say it's not, so again, my apologies.

If you read my earlier post, I actually said you probably were not a troll. I was trying to give you the benefit. As I also said I appreciate the information you post about High School Football Players.

The first thing to understand to becoming a "Christian" is that we all sin or in this case make a mistake. Romans: 3;23. Thanks for pointing mine out.

Where did you get that I said Jews were keeping white athletes down?

 

[white defensive back]

Yikes! WDB, just a little kidding! My apologies I thought Todd McShay was a Queer. If someone is Gay that's their problem if they or you have a problem with me calling them that! The truth is the truth, but in this case you say it's not, so again, my apologies.

If you read my earlier post, I actually said you probably were not a troll. I was trying to give you the benefit. As I also said I appreciate the information you post about High School Football Players.

The first thing to understand to becoming a "Christian" is that we all sin or in this case make a mistake. Romans: 3;23. Thanks for pointing mine out.

Where did you get that I said Jews were keeping white athletes down?

I was refering to a different poster. I am not trying to drag this into another off target debate. All I am trying to say is I think Tebow is a GOOD qb. Yes he got royally screwed over but I just think none of us here who are in the trenches really can speculate why he was not played more by Ryan. He probably would have exceled with Denver had Peyton Manning not been available. Tebow deservingly won the Heisman but as we know not all players that win the Heisman make it as a pro qb. Think Jamarcus Russell and yes Eric Crouch had just as much ability as Mike Vick but maybe not the cannon arm.

 

[dwid]

hes been unable to keep track of who said what this entire time, but we all know what he said, because he has only repeated himself like 7 or 8 times about coaches playing the best players. How many posts like that are we going to have to put up with?

Yes they give out Heisman's to guys who are simply surrounded by talent ALL THE TIME. Yes he had Percy Harvin in 2007 but he was used more as a runningback than receiver, the bulk of his passing yards went to Louis Murphy, Andre Caldwell and Cornelius Ingram. Harvin accounted for a whopping FOUR of those 50 tds that he scored that year. Tebow was the first to really put up those kinds of numbers, the spread option had just begun and they really didn't have that much variety, and it often failed and they had to rely on Tebow passing, or running regular running plays, the same as a halfback would, just eliminating the handoff.

I guess when you mentioned Edelman you forgot something, that he was a college quarterback. Yes he wasn't the best passer, pretty raw actually, but I would take a good guess and say he would be better at it than Joe Webb, who is still at qb, and has started before, and there are talks about him starting again, over Ponder, especially after the success of Rg3 fans are drooling about the combo of Webb and Peterson, even though Webb showed nothing. Its nice that Edelman gets to see the field but his primary role when healthy is special teams, he has played other spots because of injuries.

 

[Carolina Speed]

I was refering to a different poster. I am not trying to drag this into another off target debate. All I am trying to say is I think Tebow is a GOOD qb. Yes he got royally screwed over but I just think none of us here who are in the trenches really can speculate why he was not played more by Ryan. He probably would have exceled with Denver had Peyton Manning not been available. Tebow deservingly won the Heisman but as we know not all players that win the Heisman make it as a pro qb. Think Jamarcus Russell and yes Eric Crouch had just as much ability as Mike Vick but maybe not the cannon arm.

.......and I as well as others (CF) keep saying, give TT the same opportunity as Vick, Freeman, etc. received; more than just 1 year to develop. If he fails, he fails. We won't know until he gets the chance. The "experts" are wrong alot!

 

[dwid]

which poster were you addressing then?

there are quite a few people even on ESPN that say Tebow got a raw deal in New York, including players. They were supposed to have some "secret wildcat package" that wasn't supposed to be covered, and come time for the regular season it was a joke, just putting him out there for a few snaps, last game was the first time he played an entire series. I think it got to a point, like many on espn stated, if Rex Ryan puts him in after stubbornly playing Sanchez threw so many horrible games, and Tebow lights it up, how does that make Rex Ryan look?

That offense sucked, and Im supposed to believe there wasn't any type of role for him except their lame excuses for a wildcat package? Shonn Greene is a slow plodder who has never had a longer rush than what, 30 yards? in how many attempts? can't put him at halfback?

Yes he wasn't the most accurate in 2011, but he had the highest percentage of deep passes in the last 3 years, at 21 percent, most quarterbacks are under 13, in fact 13 percent would put a qb at top 10 for deep passes attempted. Not even THE BEST qbs in the league complete 50 percent or more of these deep passes, but we expect a young player like Tebow to? when his best asset is running, although his passing wasn't as bad as the media makes it out to be. There was one thing he was really good at, unlike Newton who also throws deep a good deal, is not turning the ball over. If his receivers weren't going to catch it then nobody was.

Eric Decker still led the Broncos last year, kind of hard to do much more when there is like 10 to 20 attempts a game. I agree about the Decker/DT situation, it would be like comparing Harrison and Wayne, although both of those switched up roles more than Decker and DT, I think there should be more of a balance, DT should get better as an all around receiver.

Decker was on pace for 851 yards with Orton, he got 612 8tds, I wouldn't call that terrible considering that Tebow was attempting about 6 or 7 less passes per game at the least.

but like Ive said many times, even when he came out, Id rather him at tailback. The fact that the media has repeated that he is not an nfl caliber passer almost every single day has made me want to reevaluate his skills as a qb, and leaves me wanting to root for him more at the qb position, because his lack of time at qb sets a precedent. Any athletic, dual threat qb that is White will most likely get the Tebow reference out of college. Its happening with Colin Klein right now, and he is a much better passer than Tebow, and you can't say he is surrounded by a bunch of talented guys, he doesn't have an NFL caliber receiver from what I have seen, Harper might be but I doubt it. The other two guys are under 170 pounds, maybe they can but the one that is 5'11 is young, the other one is 5'7. Hes compared to Tebow, doesn't have "perfect mechanics", but then again its already there, because when Tebow came out it was "Dany Weurfell won a Heisman, it doesn't make you a great NFL player"...almost identical to what WDB said. Yeah it doesn't, but you should at least get a chance. How long will I have to see Mark Ingram plod around? He doesn't have that much power, isn't a burner, can't make people miss, but he won the Heisman...and hes black.

 

[Leonardfan]

I am here to add to the Tebow debate.

First off Tebow is a very polarizing player but not for his talent and not by his own doing. He became the target of 99% of the so called personnel men, "draft experts", moronic talking heads on BSPN, DWFs and both internet and print media outlets. Tebow was viciously ripped apart not for his throwing motion but because the media could not find anything wrong with him as a person. No white man in this day and age is supposed to have a back bone, show religious devotion and always do and say the right thing. If Tebow was black he would of been celebrated as an athlete and given chance after chance to prove himself. Tebow is white - he carries subtle undertones of the jewish controlled media's "Great White Hype" myth. He is a threat due to his talent and pure athletic ability. He is a victim and has a legitimate gripe to go public with and piss and moan about but he is a man of strong character, integrity and morals so he handles it all with admirable and impeccable grace. The powers that be cannot stand that Tebow cannot be shaken or rattled by all their constant and direct attacks filled by pure jealousy and hate.

Now onto his play on the field. I tend to agree with those on this site that think he got a completely raw deal. He is more than an effective passer in the right system. I will yield and say that he won't be effective in all offensive systems that exist. But you know what - he fits the exact mold of all these black quarterbacks that are playing in the league now that are playing in the exact same offense and getting every chance in the world to play and have an offense tailored to them. I have no doubt in my mind that Tebow would be a 60% passer throwing for 3000 yds and running for 600 yds every season in the Redskins or Panthers offense. Again, the media will never come out and ask that question of why Tebow isn't playing in one of these offenses. Tebow is not a risky player at all and in this league that has decided to throw more spread looks into offenses it is not a huge risk to decide that Tebow is the guy they would want to run the offense. The problem is that the guy has been attacked, these attacks rooted are in hate and jealousy that are shielded by everyone saying his throwing motion is funny and he is not accurate. That is the truth.

Onto the Jets debacle - Tebow was sold a bad bill of goods by the Jets front office and a guy named Tannenbaum. I think he was initially promised a shot at the starting job and than that devolved to the much hyped wildcat package that proved to be a laughing stock in the media and made Tebow easier to villify. He was not able to play yet he was constantly blamed for all the Jets and Sanchez's woes. Tebow has been the target of the jew saul alinsky's rules for radicals - “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.â€￾

To those who say Tebow would be a very good RB - I totally agree with this to. If he is unable to play QB he should be an RB but in this league all those in power are writing him off as an FB. No coach or personnel man in the NFL has the balls to put Tebow at RB. They are all a punch of caste ingrained pussified cowards. His role in punt protection for the jets seemed to be constant comedic fodder for all the clowns at BSPN.

 

[Kaptain]

You want me to agree with you that Tebow was a great passer last year, otherwise I'm "buying into media propaganda." Apparently that can be the only explanation for anyone who doesn't agree entirely with your assessment of him.

I don't think he was a great passer last year. He has a lot of potential, but a team will have to commit to him for one or more likely two seasons for him to succeed. That's the case with a lot of quarterbacks, and it's highly unlikely Tebow will be given that opportunity given his running ability and Christian beliefs.

As far as Decker, he's not behind Thomas. Thomas is fifth in the AFC with 78 receptions for 1,210 yards and 8 TDs. Decker is sixth in the AFC with 72 receptions for 923 yards and 9 TDs. Both are having great seasons. Thomas is used more as a deep threat while the more heady and versatile Decker is trusted to make a variety of plays. Thomas has a lot of talent; he's big, fast and can run well after the catch. For anyone to deny his ability is to have racial blinders on equivalent to those who can't see Decker's talent.

Decker's career trajectory over the past two seasons has been: among the leading AFC receivers and scorers the first half of 2011; then his production disappeared the second half of 2011 when Tebow was starting; followed by an entire season of excellent production in 2012. That's not media propaganda, those are facts. (BTW, Decker was injured in the playoff game against Pittsburgh, he didn't miss the playoffs as you stated.)

First we have to start with the admission that John Fox's offensive with Tebow was designed to make his total numbers look bad. Peyton Manning would look bad with that type of offense. With that being said, Tebow's numbers were still good. There is no reason to describe him as "surprisingly inaccurate" or describe passes that weren't thrown as "no where near" the reciever. Those are gross exaggerations of media machine.

Do you remember the game that really got the media ripping his ability? It was a 17-10 victory over Kansas City. Tebow was 2-8 throwing the winning td to Eric Decker - who scored 4 touchdowns in Tebow's first 6 games. At that point Decker's production was at the very least on-par with his production when Orton was QB even though they passed much less with Tebow. After the KC game the media had their script. Only 2 completions?? WTF! How could we have such a QB!? Never mind that the coach calls the plays and only called 8 passes - 7 of which hit the reciever in the hands. 3 of which were long bombs that hit non other than Eric Decker in the hands in stride. One was knocked away by a defender, one was caught for a TD that was wrongly overturned by replay, and one was caught for the game winning TD.

Sorry, I watched all the games and didn't see a whole lot of passes landing no where near recievers unless they were purposely thrown out of bounds. There were some as all QBs have but not many.

Comparing Tebow to Peyton Manning is about as unfair as it gets as is using Eric Decker, who we all support and think is great, to do it. Peyton Manning is a great passer, but more importantly he is allowed to pass, run a hurry-up, call plays, and be successful. Tebow was not allowed any of this unless it was the last minutes of a game.

What would Peyton Manning and the Broncos offense would look like if the play calling was remotely similar to what Tebow had to deal with? Don, you think he was inaccurate last year and I think he was reasonably accurate considering the offensive design and play calling. I guess we will just have to slightly disagree and root for him to get a real chance with a team that will use him to his best ability. If he does, I'm confident that he will prove to be one the better passers in NFL. I'm afraid we will never get to find out.

 

[white is right]

First we have to start with the admission that John Fox's offensive with Tebow was designed to make his total numbers look bad. Peyton Manning would look bad with that type of offense. With that being said, Tebow's numbers were still good. There is no reason to describe him as "surprisingly inaccurate" or describe passes that weren't thrown as "no where near" the reciever. Those are gross exaggerations of media machine.

Do you remember the game that really got the media ripping his ability? It was a 17-10 victory over Kansas City. Tebow was 2-8 throwing the winning td to Eric Decker - who scored 4 touchdowns in Tebow's first 6 games. At that point his Decker's production was at the very least on-par with Orton's even though they passed much less. After the KC game the media had their script. Only 2 completions?? WTF! How could we have such a QB!? Never mind that the coach calls the plays and only called 8 passes 7 of which hit the reciever in the hands. 3 of which were long bombs that hit non other than Eric Decker in the hands in stride. One was knocked away by a defender, one was caught for TD that was wrongly overturned by replay, and one was caught for the game winning TD.

Sorry, I watched all the games and didn't see a whole lot of passes landing no where near recievers unless they were purposely thrown out of bounds. There were some as all QBs have but not many.

Comparing Tebow to Peyton Manning is about as unfair as it gets as is using Eric Decker, who we all support and think is great, to do it. Peyton Manning is a great passer, but more importantly he is allowed to pass, run a hurry-up, call plays, and be successful. Tebow was not allowed any of this unless it was the last minutes of a game.

What would Peyton Manning and the Broncos offense would look like if the play calling was remotely similar to what Tebow had to deal with? Don, you think he was inaccurate last year and I think he was reasonably accurate considering the offensive design and play calling. I guess we will just have to slightly disagree root for him to get a real chance with a team that will use him to his best ability. If he does, I'm confident that he will prove to be one the better passers in NFL. I'm afraid we will never get to find out.

That offense wasn't much different than the two Dolphins teams under Griese. I can't remember if they gave Tebow the option to hand off to the tailback or fullback or to roll out. But it was run, run then pass on third and long. For essentially a rookie he had was handcuffed similar to Sanchez was in the first season with the Jets when Ryan figured out the Sanchez was a walking disaster throwing any throw that was a short throw to the tight end or wide out. I think Ryan figured that the Jets couldn't design an offense that could be executed efficiently around Tebow with 2 games to go, also the season is a right off so he wants to see what the 2nd year play brings to the table.

 

[whiteathlete33]

First we have to start with the admission that John Fox's offensive with Tebow was designed to make his total numbers look bad. Peyton Manning would look bad with that type of offense. With that being said, Tebow's numbers were still good. There is no reason to describe him as "surprisingly inaccurate" or describe passes that weren't thrown as "no where near" the reciever. Those are gross exaggerations of media machine.

Do you remember the game that really got the media ripping his ability? It was a 17-10 victory over Kansas City. Tebow was 2-8 throwing the winning td to Eric Decker - who scored 4 touchdowns in Tebow's first 6 games. At that point his Decker's production was at the very least on-par with Orton's even though they passed much less. After the KC game the media had their script. Only 2 completions?? WTF! How could we have such a QB!? Never mind that the coach calls the plays and only called 8 passes 7 of which hit the reciever in the hands. 3 of which were long bombs that hit non other than Eric Decker in the hands in stride. One was knocked away by a defender, one was caught for TD that was wrongly overturned by replay, and one was caught for the game winning TD.

Sorry, I watched all the games and didn't see a whole lot of passes landing no where near recievers unless they were purposely thrown out of bounds. There were some as all QBs have but not many.

Comparing Tebow to Peyton Manning is about as unfair as it gets as is using Eric Decker, who we all support and think is great, to do it. Peyton Manning is a great passer, but more importantly he is allowed to pass, run a hurry-up, call plays, and be successful. Tebow was not allowed any of this unless it was the last minutes of a game.

What would Peyton Manning and the Broncos offense would look like if the play calling was remotely similar to what Tebow had to deal with? Don, you think he was inaccurate last year and I think he was reasonably accurate considering the offensive design and play calling. I guess we will just have to slightly disagree root for him to get a real chance with a team that will use him to his best ability. If he does, I'm confident that he will prove to be one the better passers in NFL. I'm afraid we will never get to find out.

Kaptain, I agree with most of what you say. Tebow can develop into a good quarterback but he'll never get on the level of even an Eli Manning or Matt Ryan as far as accuracy. I think the stat that everyone is referring to is his completion percentage. 50 percent in Denver in 2010 and 46 percent last year. He is a proven winner and knows how to make the plays that few quareterbacks in the league can. With his running ability and ability to lead game winning drive he should have a starting gig somewhere but an offense needs to be tailored to his ability. He'l be out of NY next season so maybe a team like the Cardinals will give him an opportunity. Jacksonville will probably draft Geno Smiff.

 

[Kaptain]

That offense wasn't much different than the two Dolphins teams under Griese. I can't remember if they gave Tebow the option to hand off to the tailback or fullback or to roll out. But it was run, run then pass on third and long. For essentially a rookie he had was handcuffed similar to Sanchez was in the first season with the Jets when Ryan figured out the Sanchez was a walking disaster throwing any throw that was a short throw to the tight end or wide out. I think Ryan figured that the Jets couldn't design an offense that could be executed efficiently around Tebow with 2 games to go, also the season is a right off so he wants to see what the 2nd year play brings to the table.

Yes, he is so interested in McElroy that he will pay Michael Vick millions next year to mentor him as Vick starts. LOL. The only reason Tebow isn't playing is because Ryan knows that Tebow will do well and win. Tebow doing well would make Ryan look even more buffoonish and he knows it. The writing was on the wall in preseason when even then they tried to limit his opportunities. It's quite a statement on human character. Above all never admit a mistake even when obviously mistaken. We all know many dyed in wool Democrats and Republicans who never ever ever admit their party is ever on the wrong side of the issue - even if their party is doing the same thing they beachatched and moaned about when the other party was in power. They are never wrong. Rex Ryan is never wrong. Why give Tebow a chance to prove it?

 

[Kaptain]

Kaptain, I agree with most of what you say. Tebow can develop into a good quarterback but he'll never get on the level of even an Eli Manning or Matt Ryan as far as accuracy. I think the stat that everyone is referring to is his completion percentage. 50 percent in Denver in 2010 and 46 percent last year. He is a proven winner and knows how to make the plays that few quareterbacks in the league can. With his running ability and ability to lead game winning drive he should have a starting gig somewhere but an offense needs to be tailored to his ability. He'l be out of NY next season so maybe a team like the Cardinals will give him an opportunity. Jacksonville will probably draft Geno Smiff.

Yes, completion percentage is the only stat they want you to concentrate. Forget all the other stats and focus on one stat. Don't look to hard into that stat such as completion percentage of long passes (tebow ranked #1). Never mind that he usually passed with only one or two recievers and only on obvious passing downs. Do you know the NFL average completion percentage on 3rd and long? You should look it up.

When not one team is willing to give college football's greatest player ever a shot at playing something really stinks. I don't have to wonder what that stink is.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Yes, completion percentage is the only stat they want you to concentrate. Forget all the other stats and focus on one stat. Don't look to hard into that stat such as completion percentage of long passes (tebow ranked #1). Never mind that he usually passed with only one or two recievers and only on obvious passing downs. Do you know the NFL average completion percentage on 3rd and long? You should look it up.

When not one team is willing to give college football's greatest player ever a shot at playing something really stinks. I don't have to wonder what that stink is.

I thought he showed enough in Denver. Elway obviously didn't want him, but can you blame him for choosing the best quarterback to ever play the game over him? I can't. It would have been a different story if they drafted some afflete or game someone like Brady Quinn the starting job instead of Tebow. No one here can deny that Manning gives the Broncos a much better chance of winning every week than Tebow.

He was brought to NY for one reason, bring in more revenue. It think Rex "piggie" Ryan knows at this point that most of the affletes on the team don't like him because of his relegion and popularity and that the "experiment" didn't work out. How could they possibly start Tebow when many of the blacks on the team have called him out in the media?

Just wanted to update this post. Looks like the Jets are interested in Convick. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-400_162...ant-to-trade-mark-sanchez-michael-vick-to-ny/

 

[Wes Woodhead]

As great as Manning is he would not be at Denver if Tebow was black. The satan worshiping puppet masters did what they had to do to get Tebow out of there, and ruin his chances at a career. I do enjoy the Broncos more now that Manning is there, but it just sucks about Tebow getting railroaded like this. The fans wanted Tebow in Denver. They demanded him. They were on the Tebow train all aboard, and full steam ahead. Peyton Manning was the only puzzle piece that could have possibly been inserted into this problem space for the caste system. The puppet masters are extremely intelligent, and they maneuver the pieces so well its mind boggling. You can bet your bottom dollar they are aware of Castefootball too. They know people are waking up to a certain degree.

 

[jaxvid]

"Peyton Manning was the only puzzle piece that could have possibly been inserted into this problem space for the caste system. "

This! The only way to get rid of him was to find some QB that was so over the top better then there would be no other option. Generally that type of guy is not available but *SURPRISE* this time it was.

Saw an article in the paper that Ryan is calling his decision to start McElroy over Tebow "good for the team and good for the game" Now what is that supposed to mean? Good for the game? What is he getting at there? He also said it was a "gut" feeling that led him to leapfrong McElroy over Tebow. Never before has a team leapfrogged a seventh round draft choice over a guy they went out of their way to acquire and had led a team to the playoffs the year before.

It's just like when they draft a good White running back behind a black star running back and the White guy is supposed to be the backup but for some reason never actually gets a shot at the top spot when the No 1 guy gets hurt. Just same ol -- same ol -- caste-system BS.

 

[The Hock]

Maybe Ryan is feeling pressure from, well, wherever pressure comes from, to not subject the people who run New York City to the sight of a strong White Christian Man succeeding and giving thanks in the endzone in front of their carefully managed herd.

That's as good a reason I can think of for this curious and perhaps revealing situation.