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If our entire community could somehow contact the Rams org today to tell them to involve Kupp a lot more they would probably make him inactive and go with the new and obviously more dynamic talent they have on the roster.
 
This is remarkable for a league based on trying to create parity. Even MLB, the only one of the four major professional leagues that doesn't have a salary cap, hasn't had anything close to this level of domination since the long heyday of the Yankees, 1921-1964:

"Fifteen years ago, the Steelers played the New York Jets in the AFC championship game. Since then, either the Kansas City Chiefs or the New England Patriots have played in every AFC title game. The Patriots played in an NFL-record eight consecutive title games from 2012-19, and the Chiefs have played in the title game every year since 2018."
 
Oh no! Twice in one week I find myself agreeing with Colin Cowterd. I agree in a rules change in regards to QB's running. Now all of this is brought up because of the Mahomes roughing penalties and such, but he's going to be affected by such a rules change less than most. Mahomes is an opportunistic runner who only runs if he has to, and uses the rules to benefit. Josh Allen is another that plays smart when he runs and probably won't be terribly affected by this.
Pure running QB's like Daniels, Jackson, etc. are the reason I like this. So many times I see defenders slow up and hold back on hitting them like they would Saquan Barkley because they don't want a penalty. Tom Brady is at the beginning of the clip and he's right on.

 
Jackson and Daniels are "pure" running QBs?

How about these passing stats from Jackson: 4,172 passing yards, 41 passing TDs and just 4 interceptions. I don't know if any quarterback has ever had a better stat line.

And Daniels as a rookie: 3,568/25/9

Josh Allen: 3,731/28/6

If Jackson and Daniels are "pure running QBs" then so is Josh Allen.
 
They also need to allow the defense to hit both the qb and rb in the backfield during zone read plays regardless of who has the ball
 
Don Wassall said:
Jackson and Daniels are "pure" running QBs?

How about these passing stats from Jackson: 4,172 passing yards, 41 passing TDs and just 4 interceptions. I don't know if any quarterback has ever had a better stat line.

And Daniels as a rookie: 3,568/25/9

Josh Allen: 3,731/28/6

If Jackson and Daniels are "pure running QBs" then so is Josh Allen.
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You are correct, my description was incomplete at best. I meant QB's that are also RB equivalents when they run. Nowadays there are many others who would meet this description, Kyler Murray, Caleb Williams, etc. Josh Allen does not run nearly as much as he used to, at least with designed runs.
 
Don Wassall said:
Jackson and Daniels are "pure" running QBs?

How about these passing stats from Jackson: 4,172 passing yards, 41 passing TDs and just 4 interceptions. I don't know if any quarterback has ever had a better stat line.

And Daniels as a rookie: 3,568/25/9

Josh Allen: 3,731/28/6

If Jackson and Daniels are "pure running QBs" then so is Josh Allen.
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I’m gonna be honest Lamar does not pass the eye test and his stats are better than his passing ability. I watch a lot of his games, he throws inaccurate ducks all the time and misses open guys, also so much of his yardage is busted coverage on broken plays. I think Daniels is already on par with him at least.
 
So 4,172 passing yards, 41 passing TDs and just 4 interceptions along with 915 rushing yards and another 4 TDs plus leading an annual playoff contender every season doesn't pass your "eye test"? How about 7,500 yards passing, 60 TDs and no picks, and 1,500 yards rushing, would that pass your "eye test"?

I think you, like some others here, have the eyes of Stevie Wonder when it comes to Black quarterbacks.
 
Don Wassall said:
So 4,172 passing yards, 41 passing TDs and just 4 interceptions along with 915 rushing yards and another 4 TDs plus leading an annual playoff contender every season doesn't pass your "eye test"? How about 7,500 yards passing, 60 TDs and no picks, and 1,500 yards rushing, would that pass your "eye test"?

I think you, like some others here, have the eyes of Stevie Wonder when it comes to Black quarterbacks.
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It’s like Geno Smith (but clearly Lamar is leagues better) Geno puts up yards but everybody including DWFs knows he sucks. Lamar is a sacred cow who people think is a mixture of Mike Vick and Tom Brady, he’s not, he’s like Marcus Mariota but twice as mobile.

Somebody else here has to know what I’m talking about when I saw he throws wobbly ducks and is gets all his yards on broken lucky plays.

He’s still one of the best QBs in the league but it’s not due to his arm. Basically I’m just saying he’s got a mediocre below average arm and all of the run talent
 
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That's an interesting take because I live in an AFC North market and as I don't pay for the Sunday Ticket anymore my choice of games is now three total on Sundays plus Sunday night, MNF, and TNF, so I ended up watching a lot of games involving the Ravens, Bengals and Browns on Sundays and the Ravens and Browns certainly weren't my first choice.

When Lamar Jackson came into the league he was, as we often called him, a "blank canvass." But he has improved every year and is now an outstanding quarterback. He's very accurate -- all QBs throw some bad passes -- and instead of looking to run except on designed plays, he waits for a receiver to get open and will often go to second and third reads. He's great at avoiding pressure and will end up either running eventually or spotting someone downfield and making a great pass to him. He's the complete package. There's a reason he's in the running with Josh Allen to be league MVP and it's not because "he throws wobbly ducks and gets all his yards on broken lucky plays."

If you go to Black supremacist sites you can read posts about how Christian McCaffrey isn't very good, that he gets favorable calls from the refs, or that he's slow and has stiff hips, or that if it wasn't for his father and going to Stanford he wouldn't be in the league. And it's easy to find such sentiments on "mainstream" sites as well. What do you think of such people? Because if you hold up a mirror, that's exactly what you are. Jackson has arguably the best season ever by a quarterback and all you can attribute his success to is nothing but broken lucky plays. It's mindless, blind racism.
 
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Any word ending in "ism" IMO is voodoo at best, thank you modernity. The posters with BQDS syndrome have racial bias, maybe but probably guilty of racial bigotry and given that if they could would promote racial discrimination which I'll leave as a neutral value for now. A few years ago a black WR of his that was leaving in FA said Lamar could not make the throws, I think we here accepted that fact, that has changed and Lamar is mainly responsible for that. That is reality and I accept that, reality being a very important value to the Right wing.

Is being for ourselves so difficult?
 
You know, all my life sports fans have engaged in debates over who was the best. As a kid, Mickey Mantle was my idol, but there were legions of fans who thought Willie Mays was the best. There were always arguments over who was the best slugger, say Hank Aaron vs. Harmon Killebrew. There were Black pitchers like Bob Gibson and Ferguson Jenkins who some believed were better than say Steve Carlton and Tom Seaver.

There were debates over whether Jerry West was better than Oscar Robertson, later came the Larry Bird-Magic Johnson rivalry. I rooted for Joe Greene and the Steel Curtain, John Stallworth and Lynn Swann, just as I rooted for Terry Bradshaw, Jack Ham and Jack Lambert.

No matter where one stood, and a lot of the comparisons were between players of the same race, it wasn't polarized by race, by some bizarre "purity test" that if one liked a White player more than a Black one, the Black one had to be completely disparaged, to the point that he couldn't be recognized as having any talent. Yet this is what has happened on Caste Football when it comes to quarterbacks. To look at the success of some Black quarterbacks but refuse to admit it, to write them all off as no good, is a mentality the likes of which I've never encountered previously at any point in my life when it comes to sports. To root for White athletes is to acknowledge the ability and success of Black ones as well. The BQDS mentality has no place on Caste Football.
 
Don, I have to push back that Jackson had the best statistical season for a QB. I would say that belongs to 2011 Aaron Rodgers. 4,643 yards with 46 TDs and only 6 INTs. He had some rushing yards and additional touchdowns but not important. He won the MVP and set the QB Rating record. Most importantly he did it in only 15 games and had a 14-1 record in the process.

Tom Brady has a few epic ones. 2007 for sure. 4,800 + 50 TDs. I’m partial to 2021 at age 44. 5,300 yards + 43 TDs. Unmatchable.
 
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Don, I have to push back that Jackson had the best statistical season for a QB. I would say that belongs to 2011 Aaron Rodgers. 4,643 yards with 46 TDs and only 6 INTs. He had some rushing yards and additional touchdowns but not important. He won the MVP and set the QB Rating record. Most importantly he did it in only 15 games and had a 14-1 record in the process.

Tom Brady has a few epic ones. 2007 for sure. 4,800 + 50 TDs. I’m partial to 2021 at age 44. 5,300 yards + 43 TDs. Unmatchable.
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I wrote "arguably." Ok, maybe only one of the very best seasons ever, happy now? Do you think that if it wasn't the very best ever it therefore discredits what I've written otherwise? It doesn't change my position one iota. If you're going to "push back," try being relevant to the discussion at hand instead of nitpicking a stat.
 
All I will say is context matters. The sea change at the qb position isn’t organic and occurred at a time when the talent pool is very depleted and the on field product is poor in many cases.
 
Leonardfan said:
All I will say is context matters. The sea change at the qb position isn’t organic and occurred at a time when the talent pool is very depleted and the on field product is poor in many cases.
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Are you saying that the sea changes over the years at all other positions is organic? If not, then you're saying nothing remotely new, nothing that even beginners when it comes to the Caste System are assumed to understand. It's your "crusade" in reaction to it, the belief that maintaining that all Black quarterbacks suck somehow accomplishes anything other than making you look ridiculous and CF by extension. You're the one that can't put it into context.
 
Don Wassall said:
I wrote "arguably." Ok, maybe only one of the very best seasons ever, happy now? Do you think that if it wasn't the very best ever it therefore discredits what I've written otherwise? It doesn't change my position one iota. If you're going to "push back," try being relevant to the discussion at hand instead of nitpicking a stat.
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Yes, you said arguably and I’m arguing. LOL.

I did not discredit Jackson’s season. It was great.
 
Don Wassall said:
Are you saying that the sea changes over the years at all other positions is organic? If not, then you're saying nothing remotely new, nothing that even beginners when it comes to the Caste System are assumed to understand. It's your "crusade" in reaction to it, the belief that maintaining that all Black quarterbacks suck somehow accomplishes anything other than making you look ridiculous and CF by extension. You're the one that can't put it into context.
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No. Nothing is organic, Whites being magically not able to play QB is just the final step in the caste system. I just do my part to fight back against it and get constant grief from you. If anyone is doing anything outside of this site to combat the black qb agenda it is me. I'm not going to root for black Qbs just like I don't root for blacks at any other position. My interest in sports in to support, advocate and root for success of White athletes. As we all know sports were the first pillar to collapse to cultural marxism and be weaponized against White males - used to denigrate and belittle us for over half a century.

When Whites get the same opportunities as blacks perhaps I will turn to a more neutral stance but until then this I will keep on my current trajectory.
 
I myself have learned to be very tribal over many decades. I didn't learn this from many of my people. I learned it from how the minorities promote and support THEIR PEOPLE. We must learn to protect each other. Whites must learn to have pride in our ancestry at much higher levels. Alot of this starts by rooting for OUR GUYS ONLY or at least the majority of the time. Just my thoughts. It's now or never as we are going to be pushed to extinction in this world. At best we are 10 percent of the worlds population. Whites need to have way bigger families too. Where there is a will there is a way.
 
Leonardfan said:
No. Nothing is organic, Whites being magically not able to play QB is just the final step in the caste system. I just do my part to fight back against it and get constant grief from you. If anyone is doing anything outside of this site to combat the black qb agenda it is me. I'm not going to root for black Qbs just like I don't root for blacks at any other position. My interest in sports in to support, advocate and root for success of White athletes. As we all know sports were the first pillar to collapse to cultural marxism and be weaponized against White males - used to denigrate and belittle us for over half a century.

When Whites get the same opportunities as blacks perhaps I will turn to a more neutral stance but until then this I will keep on my current trajectory.
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You only get grief from me because you go about it in the wrong way. That's the only reason. How many other posters do I give "grief" to on the same subject, or any other subject? Occasionally others but you're pretty much the only one. Recognizing that Blacks can succeed at quarterback doesn't mean "rooting" for them and no one expects you to. If I've ever requested that you root for Black QBs please point out those posts and I'll send you a thousand dollars.

You and I talk past each other and have for a long time. Your crusade has been going on for a decade now and there's more Black QBs than ever so I guess it's not working. Please list any other places where it's gained traction. And your statement that you will keep on your current trajectory here is an arrogant one.
 
I think Jackson is a good QB, not the greatest arm but gets the job done. Is he better than Allen: no not even close. He is an excellent runner to be sure but if the rule changes allow the D to hit him more he wont be as effective as a much bigger guy like Allen. If Taysom Hill was/had been given as much time to develop his passing game he would most likely be as good as Josh Allen.
 
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