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Jerve, you seem a little angry about some of the stuff written in support of this site. Like you have a chip on your shoulder. Are you having a bad day or are you changing your mind about the caste system in general?
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I guess I just can't relate to some of the semantic leaps being made in thisplace...I'm into all kinds of boards, and inevitably there are always components of any one forum's 'zeitgeist' that I just can't let slide, and will contradict as I see fit...I'm a jerk and freely admit it...but I'm at least articulate and my posts are respectful. I posted a couple of agitprops when I first found this board, in agreement with your over-all theme of Orwellian yadda yadda, sort of kidding around a bit I guess. This isn't "Trolling" really, since all boards are little disingenuous fantasy worlds anyway.
Some of the beliefs you guys are fermenting in here lead only to a very unpleasant &paranoid place. I don't feel like skimming through old posts, buttheremost definitely isa particularly virulent strain of NWOophobiainhabiting this place...among some posters more than others, of course. Did it ever occur to you that's exactly what they want? For you to hate the keepers of yourparanoid littleprison...it's like when convicts riot and kill their guards (the most visible, accessible, but ultimatelyirrelevant cogs inthe machine.) The hate speech for Blacks and Hispanics and Jews will never endear you to any but the converted; if paranoia's your thing,I suggest that the 'keepers' of boards like this are covert ops themselves...
Some of the beliefs you guys are fermenting in here lead only to a very unpleasant &paranoid place. I don't feel like skimming through old posts, buttheremost definitely isa particularly virulent strain of NWOophobiainhabiting this place...among some posters more than others, of course. Did it ever occur to you that's exactly what they want? For you to hate the keepers of yourparanoid littleprison...it's like when convicts riot and kill their guards (the most visible, accessible, but ultimatelyirrelevant cogs inthe machine.) The hate speech for Blacks and Hispanics and Jews will never endear you to any but the converted; if paranoia's your thing,I suggest that the 'keepers' of boards like this are covert ops themselves...
It's all relative and a matter of perception isn't it Jerve?
This isn't some pseudo intellectual philosophy class where we all drink too much coffee. If we choose to believe in something, like supporting our people or self preservation that's seems like a good thing to me. You seem to enjoy being contrary and would rather us be cynics who stand for nothing.
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Orwellian yadda yadda? The point of castefootball is the belief that there is systemized discrimination going on against white athletes. The cause of that discrimination may be different things and we discuss that here but if you disagree with the basic premise then there is no point in posting here except to argue.
Funny, you knock the paranoid belief ("Orwellian") then state "Did it ever occur to you that's exactly what they want? For you to hate the keepers of your paranoid little prison" if there is no "paranoid prison" then how can there be "they" and "keepers" to "hate".
And if there is nothing to be paranoid about then how can the "keepers" of the site be "covert ops" which is stating something that is really an over the top kind of paranoia.
=So to sum up: There is no such thing as a caste system!
=So stop believing in such a fantasy, and stop hating the prison keepers of that non existant fantasy.
=and beware the keepers of this site are part of the group in the non-existant fantasy that you shouldn't believe in.
JerveyGotGypped said:
"Hate speech" what a chilling concept from someone who posts on many boards and is, I will assume, a believer in speaking freely.
What we do here is point out the truth! If that is unpleasant then too bad.
Yes, I would like to "convert" people--to the truth.
Jerve, so are you Fraser or Nyles Crane??? And you make reference to Jeremy Bloom being light in the loafers? You had to be a kid that got picked on in school and beat-up at recess.
Your use of syntax and diction only makes you come across as a know it all pompous ass. That's the truth. And, I'm not trying to convert you.
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Jervey: I for one, root for the Japanese fighters in MMA whenever they fight a non-White, sometimes even when they're fighting a White I don't particularly care for, and I like seeing them do well in baseball, etc. I respect their culture and their personal behavior, and because the caste stereotype pisses on them even more than on us, I give a big Banzai! to all the brave little Japs out there. So even though I'm not a big football fan, yeah, I'd think it's great if Nguyen does well. So there!
I also root for Latins in boxing when they're fighting blacks, because even though I believe on an AVERAGE level Mestizo's won't build as good a country as Whites, they are head&shoulders above blacks, and I've actually liked many Latins that I've known. To say nothing of the fact that many Latin Americans are for all intents and purposes White.
You might say that I basically root AGAINST blacks, but I think I'm justified. While there ARE saintly blacks and black rocket-scientists, they are few and far between. Mainly you have the lowest of the low. And black culture isn't even vaguely appologetic for all the bad apples! In fact, ******* supremacism, tacit or open, seems the default stance. They're way too puffed up and I think it's time they were taken down alot of notches.
None of these opinions about the races are a product of prejudice or ignorance, they are a matter of facts, statistics, and personal experience-IOW, they are POST-judice rather than pre-judice. FYI, I started out in life with profoundly anti-racist view.
As for your remarks about the NWO-it's there, it's evil, and it's profoundly anti-White. Sorry, I have my reasons for believing this, if you don't, then we have to agree to disagree. Since you once described yourself as a libertarian like myself, surely you realize SOMETHING stinks when it comes to our media-government complex.
I also root for Latins in boxing when they're fighting blacks, because even though I believe on an AVERAGE level Mestizo's won't build as good a country as Whites, they are head&shoulders above blacks, and I've actually liked many Latins that I've known. To say nothing of the fact that many Latin Americans are for all intents and purposes White.
You might say that I basically root AGAINST blacks, but I think I'm justified. While there ARE saintly blacks and black rocket-scientists, they are few and far between. Mainly you have the lowest of the low. And black culture isn't even vaguely appologetic for all the bad apples! In fact, ******* supremacism, tacit or open, seems the default stance. They're way too puffed up and I think it's time they were taken down alot of notches.
None of these opinions about the races are a product of prejudice or ignorance, they are a matter of facts, statistics, and personal experience-IOW, they are POST-judice rather than pre-judice. FYI, I started out in life with profoundly anti-racist view.
As for your remarks about the NWO-it's there, it's evil, and it's profoundly anti-White. Sorry, I have my reasons for believing this, if you don't, then we have to agree to disagree. Since you once described yourself as a libertarian like myself, surely you realize SOMETHING stinks when it comes to our media-government complex.
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Looking back through the Archives I found this thread: Your favorite BLACK football players, instead of getting all mad why not start your own thread 'My favorite YELLOW football players'. Since there is already one of a similar vein I highly doubt the moderators would get upset.
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and if you do not include Linebacker Kailee Wong I may scream RACIST!
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LOL!!
Anyhow when it comes to the New World Order, if it does not exist, (and I am certain that it does) then what was President George H.W. Bush talking about????
(Also there is the disturbing 'coincidence' of many who vehemently oppose the NWO winding up dead in questionable circumstances. One good example would be someone I consider a tragic Hero, Bill Cooper Edited by: Uberberserker
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and if you do not include Linebacker Kailee Wong I may scream RACIST!
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LOL!!
Anyhow when it comes to the New World Order, if it does not exist, (and I am certain that it does) then what was President George H.W. Bush talking about????
(Also there is the disturbing 'coincidence' of many who vehemently oppose the NWO winding up dead in questionable circumstances. One good example would be someone I consider a tragic Hero, Bill Cooper Edited by: Uberberserker
Another masterful performance by Vick -- 116 yards, no touchdowns, three interceptions and a quarterback rating of 13.3 or thereabouts.
But of course nothing negative was said about Vick by John Madden, who as always was quick to jump on white players. At one point Al Michaels was remarking about how few yards Vick had thrown for and Madden immediately jumped to his defense -- "He didn't have to throw because the Falcons had the lead." Meanwhile, the inexperienced Brooks Bollinger was doing quite well for the Jets behind a porous offensive line, and Madden said that the Jets didn't even want to come out on offense: "If they had a quarterback it would be different."Madden may be the very worst ofall the media's Caste System announcers.
But of course nothing negative was said about Vick by John Madden, who as always was quick to jump on white players. At one point Al Michaels was remarking about how few yards Vick had thrown for and Madden immediately jumped to his defense -- "He didn't have to throw because the Falcons had the lead." Meanwhile, the inexperienced Brooks Bollinger was doing quite well for the Jets behind a porous offensive line, and Madden said that the Jets didn't even want to come out on offense: "If they had a quarterback it would be different."Madden may be the very worst ofall the media's Caste System announcers.
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image how good the falcons could be with a real quarterback and vick running behind a fullback or lined up at receiver. but i guess they'll settle for pretty good.
schaub and finneran need to get off this team if they want to play.
schaub and finneran need to get off this team if they want to play.
Don, I can only imagine how painful it must have been to listen to Madden's splutterings. And imagine I must because I won't watch MNF with him on it. He has ruined enough games for me.
16.3 is the actual QB rating the most dangerous player in the game managed tonight. But hey, he did rush 9 times for 18 yds. That might be a fun way to measure Vick's performance. Is his qb rating higher or lower than his rush yardage?
16.3 is the actual QB rating the most dangerous player in the game managed tonight. But hey, he did rush 9 times for 18 yds. That might be a fun way to measure Vick's performance. Is his qb rating higher or lower than his rush yardage?
Don Wassall said:
The Jets should give Bollinger more playing time. Vinny's best days are far behind him. By the way the announcers didn't pronounce Bollinger's name correctly. It's not Boll as in bowl but it's Boll as in doll. That is how all the newscasters in Wisconsin pronounce his name.
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Vick's total yardage contribution to his team's win was 134 yards.
His two touchdown runs were both from 1 yard out each. Any of their backs could have run it in from there as well. Notice they didn't have him dump it to his top wide receiver, er, tight end, Alge Crumpler? Too risky to have your quarterback pass, that close to the goalline I guess.
But of course the ESPN headline paragraph says:
Even the ancient Vinnie ran for a TD in this game!!!!
During the game, ESPN's lead paragraph said that Vick is perhaps the most electrifying player in the game, and he is getting plenty of exposure in tonight's game.
You call this electrifying??? This guy runs for two TDs covering an entire 2 yards, set up entirely by his running backs,and he is ELECTRIFYING???
I think they deliberately call those plays on the goalline for Vick to pad his stats. Its the only way they can avoid the criticism for his horrendous play. If he doesn't score a TD passing or rushing, what good is he?
All day long on the radio and ESPN Sportscenter you hear nothing about how Ben Roethlisberger only threw 11 passes for 98 yards in the Steelers win over the Bengals, with the tone and implication being that he isn't that great a quarterback. Its the Steelers RUNNING GAME and DEFENSE that wins their games.
Think you'll ever hear someone outside of this site say the same thing about Vick. FUHGEDDABOUTIT.
His two touchdown runs were both from 1 yard out each. Any of their backs could have run it in from there as well. Notice they didn't have him dump it to his top wide receiver, er, tight end, Alge Crumpler? Too risky to have your quarterback pass, that close to the goalline I guess.
But of course the ESPN headline paragraph says:
Even the ancient Vinnie ran for a TD in this game!!!!
During the game, ESPN's lead paragraph said that Vick is perhaps the most electrifying player in the game, and he is getting plenty of exposure in tonight's game.
You call this electrifying??? This guy runs for two TDs covering an entire 2 yards, set up entirely by his running backs,and he is ELECTRIFYING???
I think they deliberately call those plays on the goalline for Vick to pad his stats. Its the only way they can avoid the criticism for his horrendous play. If he doesn't score a TD passing or rushing, what good is he?
All day long on the radio and ESPN Sportscenter you hear nothing about how Ben Roethlisberger only threw 11 passes for 98 yards in the Steelers win over the Bengals, with the tone and implication being that he isn't that great a quarterback. Its the Steelers RUNNING GAME and DEFENSE that wins their games.
Think you'll ever hear someone outside of this site say the same thing about Vick. FUHGEDDABOUTIT.
Don Wassall said:Another masterful performance by Vick -- 116 yards, no touchdowns, three interceptions and a quarterback rating of 13.3 or thereabouts.
Vick was so fortunate tonight.Testaverde turned in a performance that would have gotten him death threats in Pittsburgh.
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Okay, I'm tasting a bit of crow feathers. From ESPN's take on the game tonight:
Not exactly damning Vick to the bench, where he should be, for performing as well as Joey Harrington, et al, but not exactly effusive praise, either.
Not exactly damning Vick to the bench, where he should be, for performing as well as Joey Harrington, et al, but not exactly effusive praise, either.
It really is getting impossible to watch any televised game involving
the Falcons, especially on Monday Nights or Sunday Nights (with
Theismann drooling). The big lie that Vick is some kind of great player
is on a par with the same mainstream media's longtime mantra that Lee
Harvey Oswald did it. Vick is not only one of the worst QBs in the
league right now, he is probably THE worst black starting QB. That is
saying something. The only thing they can say about him, with any
accuracy, is that he is a "winner." Of course, it's always ridiculous
to call a QB a "winner." Football is a team sport, and no one player is
capable of "winning" any games. Vick has a great offensive line (BTW,
why doesn't their OL coach, Alex Gibbs, get any head coaching offers?
This guy established Denver's great offensive line, and now has
Atlanta's group playing at the same level), which fuels a dominant
running game and great pass protection for him (not that he is capable
of taking advantage of it), and a solid defense which creates lot of
turnovers. I feel confident in saying any of the other starting QBs in
this league, many of them pretty pathetic, would have just as
impressive a "winning" percentage as Vick does.
The lengths these jock-sniffers in the media will go to in order to
promote Vick's incredible "talent" is simply amazing. For instance,
last night Madden and Michaels came up with some ridiculous stat about
how Vick had a solid 91% QB rating on throws made to his left. They
then showed the sorry percentages he put in when throwing to the middle
and the right (and yes, the monstrously overrated Al Michaels termed
Vick's 51% rating in the middle as "average"), so that they could
promote the idea that Vick was really some sort of great passer when he
threw to his strong side. First of all, why would they have such an
unheard-of-stat readily available? Second, has this ridiculous stat
ever been used before? Will it ever be used again? Mike/Michael Vick
makes Tiger Woods look underrated. And Brett Favre better get used to
it; John Madden has officially made Vick his undisputed new love
interest. This absurd clown has had some kind of homo-like lust for
various players over the years. First there was Dave Butz (and,
in a truly perverse twist, his helmet). Then came Gary Clark. Lawrence
Taylor. Phil Simms. Troy Aikman. Emmitt Smith. Marshall Faulk. Finally,
Brett Favre, who appeared to have no rivals. But now, Mike/ Michael
Vick is definitely Madden's favorite. But then again, unlike some of
the other Madden objects of lust (especially the weird fixation with
Dave Butz's helmet), Vick is everyone's favorite.
the Falcons, especially on Monday Nights or Sunday Nights (with
Theismann drooling). The big lie that Vick is some kind of great player
is on a par with the same mainstream media's longtime mantra that Lee
Harvey Oswald did it. Vick is not only one of the worst QBs in the
league right now, he is probably THE worst black starting QB. That is
saying something. The only thing they can say about him, with any
accuracy, is that he is a "winner." Of course, it's always ridiculous
to call a QB a "winner." Football is a team sport, and no one player is
capable of "winning" any games. Vick has a great offensive line (BTW,
why doesn't their OL coach, Alex Gibbs, get any head coaching offers?
This guy established Denver's great offensive line, and now has
Atlanta's group playing at the same level), which fuels a dominant
running game and great pass protection for him (not that he is capable
of taking advantage of it), and a solid defense which creates lot of
turnovers. I feel confident in saying any of the other starting QBs in
this league, many of them pretty pathetic, would have just as
impressive a "winning" percentage as Vick does.
The lengths these jock-sniffers in the media will go to in order to
promote Vick's incredible "talent" is simply amazing. For instance,
last night Madden and Michaels came up with some ridiculous stat about
how Vick had a solid 91% QB rating on throws made to his left. They
then showed the sorry percentages he put in when throwing to the middle
and the right (and yes, the monstrously overrated Al Michaels termed
Vick's 51% rating in the middle as "average"), so that they could
promote the idea that Vick was really some sort of great passer when he
threw to his strong side. First of all, why would they have such an
unheard-of-stat readily available? Second, has this ridiculous stat
ever been used before? Will it ever be used again? Mike/Michael Vick
makes Tiger Woods look underrated. And Brett Favre better get used to
it; John Madden has officially made Vick his undisputed new love
interest. This absurd clown has had some kind of homo-like lust for
various players over the years. First there was Dave Butz (and,
in a truly perverse twist, his helmet). Then came Gary Clark. Lawrence
Taylor. Phil Simms. Troy Aikman. Emmitt Smith. Marshall Faulk. Finally,
Brett Favre, who appeared to have no rivals. But now, Mike/ Michael
Vick is definitely Madden's favorite. But then again, unlike some of
the other Madden objects of lust (especially the weird fixation with
Dave Butz's helmet), Vick is everyone's favorite.
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Listening to Colin Cowturd this morning (I know I know), he was speaking with an Atlanta area sports reporter. They were both whining about the fans complaining that Vick is a lousy quarterback. The reporter said thats all that they're discussing on local talk radio.
Maybe the times, they are changin'....
One can only hope.
Maybe the times, they are changin'....
One can only hope.
Here's a beauty from the New York Daily News -- "Vile Vinny and Jets Go South."
"Vile"? Quite harsh wouldn't you say? But the kicker paragraph comes halfway through the article. Get ready to gag: "The defense caved at key moments, watching the incomparable Michael Vick rush for two touchdowns, both 1-yarders that were highlight-film worthy."
Now that's what I call objective reporting.
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/359035 p-305921c.html[/url]
"Vile"? Quite harsh wouldn't you say? But the kicker paragraph comes halfway through the article. Get ready to gag: "The defense caved at key moments, watching the incomparable Michael Vick rush for two touchdowns, both 1-yarders that were highlight-film worthy."
Now that's what I call objective reporting.
[url]http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/story/359035 p-305921c.html[/url]
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Highlight film worthy?
A college-level option rollout? He basically scooted in untouched!
Incomparable isn't a bad word for Vick, though. Really, who can he be compared to in the NFL?
Sean Salisbury was spewing Vick worship on the Dan Patrick show this afternooon. Quarterback ratings are meaningless, if they want them to be accurate they should include wins and losses, Vick may not ever be 23 of 24 but he can move the chains by running the ball, just like in last night's game.. blah blah blah. Oh yeah, moments after this effusive praise, they said Warrick Dunn is a top five running back in the NFL. Shouldn't having a top five RB on your team warrant just a *little* less praise for Vick?
Quite surprisingly though, Dan Patrick said he thought Vick was overhyped.
You think??
A college-level option rollout? He basically scooted in untouched!
Incomparable isn't a bad word for Vick, though. Really, who can he be compared to in the NFL?
Sean Salisbury was spewing Vick worship on the Dan Patrick show this afternooon. Quarterback ratings are meaningless, if they want them to be accurate they should include wins and losses, Vick may not ever be 23 of 24 but he can move the chains by running the ball, just like in last night's game.. blah blah blah. Oh yeah, moments after this effusive praise, they said Warrick Dunn is a top five running back in the NFL. Shouldn't having a top five RB on your team warrant just a *little* less praise for Vick?
Quite surprisingly though, Dan Patrick said he thought Vick was overhyped.
You think??
I've always thought Dan Patrick was the ESPN announcer with the most common sense, which admittedly isn't saying a whole lot.
If quarterback ratings are meaningless without wins and losses added in, then Trent Dilfer in 2000 was the best quarterback in NFL history as the Ravens were unbeatable when he was starting for them that season. For his efforts he was cut by Baltimore after the Super Bowl and rejected by the rest of the league (til Seattle finally signed him as a backup). That would also make Kordell Stewart one of the best starting quarterbacks of the past decade as the Steelers won most of their games with him as the starter.
With the decline this year of Culpepper and McNabb, and McNair obviously well past his prime, the continued Vick-worshiping sounds ever more forced and ridiculous. Even the fans, so well trained by Caste System propaganda, can see through the media fog of hype and lies surrounding Vick.
If quarterback ratings are meaningless without wins and losses added in, then Trent Dilfer in 2000 was the best quarterback in NFL history as the Ravens were unbeatable when he was starting for them that season. For his efforts he was cut by Baltimore after the Super Bowl and rejected by the rest of the league (til Seattle finally signed him as a backup). That would also make Kordell Stewart one of the best starting quarterbacks of the past decade as the Steelers won most of their games with him as the starter.
With the decline this year of Culpepper and McNabb, and McNair obviously well past his prime, the continued Vick-worshiping sounds ever more forced and ridiculous. Even the fans, so well trained by Caste System propaganda, can see through the media fog of hype and lies surrounding Vick.
I can fall out of bed and gain one yard for the love of god!
Super Vick was given 25 and 30 yard fields all night long due to
fumbles by Vainy Testicle Dirty. When Super Vick had to go the
whole field he proved yet again that he sucks throwing the ball.
Yeah I heard Salisbury dismiss Vick's Pop Warner performance and almost
spilt my beer.
Super Vick was given 25 and 30 yard fields all night long due to
fumbles by Vainy Testicle Dirty. When Super Vick had to go the
whole field he proved yet again that he sucks throwing the ball.
Yeah I heard Salisbury dismiss Vick's Pop Warner performance and almost
spilt my beer.
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I wish I had taped the game. I would have loved to add up how much face time Vick got from the camera. The camera went to him between almost every play. They contantly were recapping the scoring which was always Vick's lame 1 yard run. It went to him more than any camera ever should.
One thing I did notice though. I hardly ever watch Atlanta games and have you ever noticed that when you see someone everyday they don't seem to change but if you haven't seen them in awhile they look different when you do see them. Well Vick didn't look nearly as fast as I remember him from his college days or before he missed the whole season 2 years ago. Linebackers were all over him and you never see the 30 or 40 yard gain anymore. Vick will be off the map in 2 to 3 years because he just can't pass a football well enough to be a pro QB.
One thing I did notice though. I hardly ever watch Atlanta games and have you ever noticed that when you see someone everyday they don't seem to change but if you haven't seen them in awhile they look different when you do see them. Well Vick didn't look nearly as fast as I remember him from his college days or before he missed the whole season 2 years ago. Linebackers were all over him and you never see the 30 or 40 yard gain anymore. Vick will be off the map in 2 to 3 years because he just can't pass a football well enough to be a pro QB.