Matt Jones to Jax

[Guest]

Well, that it's for Matt.

What a loser. To think I stood up for this guy.

Later Matt. Have a nice life not playing football.

 

[lumsdenpower]

what a dumbass

 

[White Shogun]

I like the way you guys throw a white man under the bus for sh*t like this. Do you think the brothers would throw Jones under the bus if he was black?

I'm not ready to throw him under the bus. I want Jones to receive the same pampered treatment as the rest of the NFL's blackthletes: apologize, go to rehab, and get signed by some team for millions of dollars.

The sad truth is that he will probably never play in the NFL again. Compare how this will be handled compared to how much of a pass Mike Vick was given when he was first accused of dog fighting and possession of paraphernalia. How about the multiple arrests for DWI of 'Hands of Stone' Koren Robinson? Or getting essentially a speeding ticket for a hit and run that left a woman with broken bones? Or actually SERVING TIME in prison for distribution, but coming back to play running back? How about striking a police officer with a vehicle, or pissing hot on a drug screen multiple times? Or how about.... well, you get the picture.

If they want to give black athletes a pass for everything, I demand the same for Matt Jones.

 

[Guest]

You have to be kidding. F this coke head.

 

[White Shogun]

You have to be kidding. F this coke head.

Well, it isn't like you're the biggest supporter of white athletes around anyway. I wasn't expecting any different from you.

How do you feel about all the black athletes that get a pass for stuff like this, nevada?

 

[bigunreal]

I agree with Shogun. With everything Matt Jones has had to put up with in Jacksonville, I can see how he might have been driven to do drugs.

This will be just another test of the obvious double standard in professional sports. The jock-sniffers in the media are probably salivating over the chance to "get tough" on an athlete for a change. Roger Goodell will also be extremely happy to throw the book at one of the few white players caught doing something illegal.

I also think we need to draw a clear distinction here; I don't equate the personal use of marijuana and/or cocaine with the kind of violent crime so many black players are regularly charged with (and given no real punishment for). As far as I know, Jones was charged with no violent act, and "not showing his hands" certainly pales in comparison with all the black players who curse at, fight with or run from the police. Still, Jones will be treated as a true criminal here, much like his occasional dropped pass was treated as instant justification for benching him.

 

[Thrashen]

"How do you feel about all the black athletes that get a pass for stuff like this, nevada?"

I agree with Nevada on this issue.

I guess I just hold white players (and white men in general) to a much higher standard, and rightly so. I love, support, and praise white athletes as much as any here at CF, but I cant find any way to "justify" this incident for a millionare white athlete who's supposedly "deeply religeous".

When black thugs get away with this stuff (almost on a weekly basis), it pisses everybody off, and Jones has committed the same sort of crime. So how and why should we treat him any different? I still would like to see him do well in the NFL, but only because he's a white man playing a "taboo" position in the NFL. Only because his athletic gifts can still change the minds of the brainless turds who would normally demean white athletes trying to "make it" in the pros.

For God's sake, I used rave to my friends and co-workers about Jones, referring to him as a breathtaking athlete....but also a good man. I will no longer defend Jones when those all those pathetic, wormy little jock-sniffers put him "in his place."

 

[Quiet Speed]

I'm more interested in if any of Matt's peers are offering support. Do whites even network behind the scenes? Who's going to pick up the phone and offer encouragement? How about Brett Favre who has had addictions. He was a little aimless in the beginning. A whole host of fellow compatriots could intervene in a positive way. Until it is determined that Matt is completely a goner there is no need to write the guy off. I believe in second chances.

 

[White Shogun]

Thrashen:

Basically you're sayin it's okay with you if Jones never plays another down, while the black players continue to rake in the dough with big fat contracts, because we're holding Jones to a higher standard because he is white?

I know you'd rather see blacks held more accountable, as would I, but that's not happening. So I'd like to see a white player catch a break once in a while.

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

I wonder if Jones is salivating now out of his new found chance to "get out of Blacksonville". I would have to agree with Shogun on this. Jones already has been held to a higher standard for a few dropped passes while other black retreads are dropping a dozen a year.

Maybe Del Rio was right about Jones being a bit lackadaisical if he was using Coke and Pot last year. However, this guy should get into rehab, serve his short suspension as any black player would and then get a second chance!

Jones was good in his first two years in the league for a player learning a new position. Jones has tremendous physical gifts. If he were black he would not only get a second chance, but he would get a third chance like Koren Robinson, Pac Man, Chris Henry "cut after 4 arrests", Santonio Holmes arrested twice after being drafted in the first round before training camp even started etc. etc.

Other black high draft picks at WR like Troy Williamson and Mike Williams keep getting chances to revive their careers when the have stunk it up. And they don't have the excuses of learning a new position. Jones deserves "one more chance" and hopefully with a new team. This was not a violent outburst; this was an addiction offense!

 

[Don Wassall]

If he were black he would not only get a second chance, but he would get a third chance like Koren Robinson, Pac Man, Chris Henry "cut after 4 arrests", Santonio Holmes arrested twice after being drafted in the first round before training camp even started etc. etc.

Here's a great example -- "Holmes Defends Work Ethic." Not a word in this article about his two arrests right after being drafted in the first round, not a word about how he didn't return Ben Roethlisberger's phone calls after Ben called him and tried to establish a rapport with him right after he was drafted. Right down the memoryhole. [url]http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/steele rs/s_576644.html[/url]


I can't condone cocaine use, but I can certainly understand if Jones was driven to alcohol abuse considering he was drafted by the worst possible team. Under the circumstances, he did do pretty well his first two seasons. Last year Del Rio never gave Jones a chance to succeed. That's a fact.

And as far as the endlessly repeated refrain about his "poor work ethic," the key thing to understand about Jones is that he is laid back. Extremely laid back. Anyone who watched him play at Arkansas knew that. That doesn't mean he lacks desire. You can't change that kind of personality into a clone of Ray Lewis, and who wants to. I find Jack Del Rio to be a far more pathetic person than Matt Jones despite Jacksonville's relative success under Del Rio's fanatical all-black reign. It's sad how whites are supposed to ape black behavior and mannerisms in the NFL. Shogun is right, the rush to throw Jones under the bus is reminiscent of the reaction of the drunk white fans.

Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[Matt_Bowen_Fan]

Jones should serve his suspension like any other player, and do his best to start over in another city. The jocksniffers all worship Michael Irvin and Lawrence Taylor, and they were cokeheads. Also, I don't equate using coke with addiction, either. Plenty of recreational users during the 80s and 90s.

I won't throw Jones under the bus for this, although I'm personally disappointed that the affaletes can now point at one of the few white skill players and laugh.

 

[Don Wassall]

Brandon Marshall is a total screw-up yet here's a storyI found on the nettoday. You think anyone in the Jacksonville organization is going to "keep faith" with Matt Jones? They had already done everything in their power to ensure he failed even before his arrest:
<H1 ="articleTitle">Shanahan keeps faith in WR despite Marshall's troubles</H1>
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_9845139Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[bigunreal]

Oops- didn't see that you'd already posted Shanahan's ridiculous comments about Marshall, Don. I posted on the same topic in the Broncos' forum.

 

[Bear Backer]

He wants to act like a typical black NFL thug. Kind of hard to get your head in the game and produce when you are too busy coking up. I would suspect that his career is virtually over because of this. White players rarely get second chances once they commit serious offenses. Maybe he thought hey, all these brothers are doing it so can I, but he should have known that white players don't get to dope, be moody and dog it like blacks do and still get a chance to prove themselves.

 

[Don Wassall]

Matt Jones update:


Matt Jones Trying To Hang On


Embattled WR Jones enjoying his best camp


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Fire pulsed through his blue eyes, and for a split second, tiny hints of a snarl threatened to tighten up his face.


No longer was this Matt Jones, the Jaguars wide receiver known for his lackadaisical body language.


This was a more serious, more focused Jones. Perhaps now, his passion can be ignited by something other than the "do-you-think-you-have-a-drug-problem?" question he faced the day he reported to training camp following a felony drug arrest.


"Anybody that's watched [training-camp practices] and had an open mind about it [would say] he's had a good first week of camp," Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio said. "He's done a nice job of competing, made some tough catches, been here every day. I don't know if you call it a surprise, but the fact is Matt has had his best week."


With Jones scheduled for arraignment on a drug charge in Arkansas in six days, he'll need another good week - this time off the field in the courtroom. He also could face a suspension by the NFL.


But on the field, Jones appears to be flashing his first-round potential more consistently. The latest exhibit was in the team's scrimmage Friday night at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium, when Jones snuck past new Jaguars cornerback Drayton Florence for a 19-yard touchdown catch. On another pass, Jones made a fingertip grab close to the sideline.


"It was good," Jones said of the touchdown catch. "David [Garrard] made a great throw to my back shoulder, where only I could catch it with [Florence] turned around. It was a really good ball."


Jones can expect more of those passes if he maintains the momentum he has built through the first week of camp. That's a big turnaround from last season, when he finished with career lows in receptions (24) and yardage (317).


Earlier in the offseason, a team source requesting anonymity because an official decision hadn't been made, said the Jaguars - disappointed in Jones' lack of effort to reach his potential - planned to cut him before the regular season.


And Jones' felony drug arrest last month obviously didn't help. Yet it appears now that Jones might have weathered the storm.


The absence of receivers Reggie Williams (knee) and Jerry Porter (hamstring), coupled with uncertainty concerning the health of Mike Walker (knee), is benefiting the former University of Arkansas quarterback, who's getting extra repetitions.


And for the first time in his four-year NFL career, Jones hasn't missed camp time because of nagging leg injuries. That allows him to continue his development as a receiver while becoming more comfortable in second-year Jaguars offensive coordinator Dirk Koetter's system.


"My first year, I had some hamstring problems, and in my second year, I twisted my ankle the second day of camp," Jones said. "When my body's healthy, I can play with anybody. I can do a lot of good things and help this team win."


For a long time, much of the Jaguars' coaching staff felt that way, too. In fact, one coach, who didn't want to offend the team's other receivers, said in terms of raw talent and potential, Jones was the best on the roster.


But then Jones fell out of favor last season. Inactive for three games and benched for another, Jones was criticized by Del Rio for his work ethic and body language. But Del Rio now says Jones is having his strongest camp.


"Now the key is, will he continue to do that and sustain that?" Del Rio asked. "You see the things that he can do that are going to be pretty darn good if we can get him to fight through soreness, fatigue, all of those types of things and continue to play at a high level."


It's too early to tell whether Jones will have the chance to finally live up to his potential, but he's making progress. His release off the line of scrimmage is improved. There's an extra stutter-step or two, more jukes and a tad more crispness in his routes.


"I'm concentrating on football," Jones said. "When we met [following the arrest, Del Rio] told me there's a roster spot on this team, and I can go out there and earn it. That's all I'm trying to do."


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[Don Wassall]

This is just too funny. Wouldn't it be the ultimate irony if the Jaguars, who have just been biding their time, waiting to dump Jones at the end of training camp when it will be the most difficult for him to sign and contribute with another team this year, are finally forced to use him like a starter out of necessity even after bringing in perennial whiner/underachiever Jerry Porter and super-bust Troy Williamson?


Jaguars receivers limp out of training camp


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JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- The Jacksonville Jaguars didn't expect nine-year NFL veteran Dennis Northcutt to be in this position at the end of training camp.


With the Jaguars dealing with issues that include injuries and legal problems, it seems Northcutt is the closest the team has to a go-to receiver.


Jacksonville expected Jerry Porter to be the team's No. 1 receiver. He signed a six-year, $30 million contract in the offseason, but Porter had hamstring surgery this summer, missed training camp and is expected to miss the entire preseason.


Then there is Reggie Williams, who led the team with 10 touchdown catches last year. Williams needed surgery after re-injuring his right knee during training camp. His knee was heavily wrapped Friday.


"If I'm a starter that means we're hurting somewhere," Northcutt said. "A lot of guys say, 'Yeah, I wish those guys well,' but once a guy gets hurt they're thinking, 'I have a chance to step up here.' I've been there, done that. I really do want Jerry and Reggie to get back here because that makes us better as a team."


Receiver Troy Williamson also was out of practice until this week. Groin and hip flexor problems have sidelined Williamson, an eight-game starter with Minnesota who was traded to the Jaguars this year.


Mike Walker is coming off knee surgery and Matt Jones is facing trial in October on cocaine possession charges.


"I'm definitely concerned because these are the guys that we need on the field to make plays for us," quarterback David Garrard said. "To have them hurting or banged-up or whatever it may be, it seems like it's just been an attack on our receiver corps."


The team also has four rookies and second-year player John Broussard practicing.


Jacksonville normally carries five wide receivers on its final roster, but coach Jack Del Rio said this week he might keep six. That would create its own set of challenges.


"If you keep a sixth guy, what other position are you taking less numbers than usual at?" Del Rio said. "Those are the issues we'll have to work through over the next few weeks."


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[ToughJ.Riggins]

The sick thing is; in the caste whore The Sporting News NFL report, they basically praised Troy Williamson as a better option than Matt Jones in Jacksonville (and this was before the Coke arrest) when all evidence points to the contrary. The Sporting News also mentioned 5th rounder Chargers RB Marcus Thomas in their fantasy RB listings, but did not mention Jacob Hester who the Chargers traded up to get in the 3rd round. Also of note in this "pathological liar" magazine was a snip about how Antonio Pittman looked to solidify his case to be the backup to Steven Jackson and Brian Leonard seemed to show "he is better suited for FB". Maybe it should be called "Pathological Liar Sporting News."

 

[Don Wassall]

According to Sporting News Today, Matt Jones and Reggie Williams are currently listed as the starters on the Jags depth chart. Quite a comeback so far for Jones; it would be sweet if injuries and the ineptitude of other receivers force Jax to finally give Jones a full opportunity to realize his talent. However, this being the NFL, and esp. Jacksonville, they'll probably find a way to screw Jones, though he has apparently done a good job of doing so himself with his off the field escapade. Then again, maybe his arrest gave him the "street cred" he needed on that thuggish team.

Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[bigunreal]

I read on a fantasy site where future Hall of Famer Dennis Northcutt is in trouble with the law. Apparently this superb athlete had his cousin beat up his pregnant girlfriend. Yep, one thing these guys are is creative when it comes to crime.

Seriously, if anyone involved in pro sports had even a shred of human dignity, this monster would be cut on the spot. That's not even taking into account the fact that he's a horrible football player.

 

[Thrashen]

Haha, the caste gods have never smiled upon Jones before....but ever since being arrested, things have been going great! All the scrub WRs they signed are injured, or in trouble, or sucking. Now all the Jags have left is the very guy they should have been starting ALL ALONG.

It would be infinately ironic to see Jones make the pro-bowl this season. Then again, wideouts with black QBs at the helm are about 1,000% less likely to make a pro-bowl.

After his coke-related incident, I no longer respect him, nor will I defend him as I once did. However, I'd still like to see him perform well in the NFL....just to continue to smash the caste system, and who better to do that than the best combo of size and speed in NFL history?

 

[bigunreal]

Did any of you catch the comments made by John Madden during the Jags-Redskins game last night? He reported that Matt Jones "didn't know the plays last year." His source: David Garrard. Apparently, Garrard thought he was saying something good about Jones, because he went on to say that this year is different, and that hopefully he can become a go-to receiver.

I'm very happy (and stunned) that Jones is evidently now a starting WR for the Jags, but this story is ridiculous. As I've stated before, given the ignorant thugs that dominate all NFL rosters, I refuse to believe that the playbooks are as large and complex as we are constantly told they are. I'm sorry, but the likes of Corey Dillon, Clinton Portis, Vince Young, Michael Vick, etc. are not mentally capable of memorizing and performing efficiently in anything as complex as NFL offenses supposedly are.
In fact, I sometimes think that half the time, these guys don't even run the handful of real plays correctly, and just simply resort to playground stuff on the field. I'm not sure most fans would know the difference.

However, if we assume for a moment that the playbooks are that big and complicated, then how can anyone believe that Matt Jones couldn't understand the Jaguars playbook, but Dennis Northcutt, Reggie Williams, etc. could? I think we can confidently state that Jones probably has the highest IQ of all the Jaguars receivers.

Maybe his "softness" interfered with his ability to understand the playbook....

 

[ToughJ.Riggins]

I don't think we can "confidently" state that Jones has the highest IQ out of a whole 8 or 9 WRs or so currently employed by the team before cuts, just because whites "on average" have an edge in IQ test scores. And Jones probably had trouble learning the playbook last season if he was snorting up every day. Jones is no dummy, but he doesn't seem like the smartest fish in the pond either. Plus, he acted like an idiot not coming out of his car right away when the officer had drawn his gun on him. That gave them more opportunity to throw on more charges on him. He was clearly already caught. Why risk an accidental shot fired or longer time in jail.

Although I don't completely agree with you on this particular post BigUnreal, your post in the Texans forum was spot on. Even with everything working in Anderson's favor right now, it will be hard for the Texans to "legitimize" playing two of the three top WRs white to the drunken fans and "Rivals" media in todays NFL.

I do think though that this may go on to be Jones best season. He is clearly playing like a man possessed right now b/c he knows as a white WR, he will be out of the league soon if he doesn't play like dynamite this year.

 

[dwid]

i highly doubt that jones was doing coke every day. he probably experimented with it a good bit in college and probably a few times once he was in the nfl, think about it, he was in arkansas right? probably hanging around the wrong hometown kids. I personally don't have too much of a problem with him, he just lacked maturity, and needed some growing up to do. and i dont have a double standard for blacks, he wasn't smoking crack or hurting anybody and if a black player was in a similiar situation id give him the benefit of the doubt...IF nobody got hurt in the situation, problem is with black people, when they have "trouble maturing" ,its from a totally different lifestyle having to do with street life and involving things that are really hard to let slide. how many white college kids experiment with cocaine these days, LOTS. the problem is, i think he is still wanting to behave like a college kid, this is the year he gets it together

 

[Kaptain]

However, if we assume for a moment that the playbooks are that big and complicated, then how can anyone believe that Matt Jones couldn't understand the Jaguars playbook, but Dennis Northcutt, Reggie Williams, etc. could? I think we can confidently state that Jones probably has the highest IQ of all the Jaguars receivers.
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Matt Jones scored a 19 on his wonderlic - nothing to brag about. But, of course, it was still higher than the 14 that David Garrard scored. Maybe it was Garrard who didn't know the plays.