Hines Ward and South Korea

[Don Wassall]

The L.A. Times has an interesting article about how Hines Ward is now a hero among many South Koreans. He has a South Korean mother and a black G.I. father. He was raised by his mother (what a surprise there!). The article notes how biracial Koreans are stigmatized and hated, to the point that biracial men are not allowed to serve in the military. Curious isn't it that South Korea, Japan and Israel can have explicitly racialist (racist) policies and are still regarded by the U.S. establishment as "democracies" while in the U.S., to believe in our holy grail of "democracy" one must wholeheartedly pledge allegiance to multiculturalism and racial amalgamation.

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[Southern Knight]

Japan should be a model for the United States, in terms of their racial policies. It is virtually impossible to become a Japanese citizen unless you are racially Japanese. Americans who have lived in Japan for decades are not known as "American-Japanese," and, indeed, such a term is unthinkable to the Japanese. There are thousands of Koreans who have lived in Japan for 4 generations, yet they are not (and probably never will be) Japanese citizens.

In the United States, we are told by the open-borders supporters that we need constant immigration to support certain industries, namely construction and agriculture. Japan deals with those same issues in a modern, prudent way: it addresses its industrial needs with technology. Its production sector is much more mechanized and robotic than the United States. Honestly, do we REALLY need a swarm of Guatemalans picking beans and peaches by hand? Of course not. There are countless ag-equipment companies and research engineers who could devise a machine to do a better job, at a cheaper cost in the long run. (Farm implements won't dump out 4 babies on the public nickel, and then have those children take up space in public schools and otherwise trash the community by committing petty crimes, etc.). Those machines could be produced here, providing necessary manufactuing jobs. It's a win-win.

I once read that the Romans never had a significant industrial revolution because they relied too heavily on slave labor, which negated any need for technological advancement. The same is true of the American Empire today. Europe and Japan are light-years ahead of the US in terms of modernizing their production sectors. They have computerized machine-tools and robots, and we have Mestizos. There's no comparison.

And don't get me started about Israel -- they are the masters of "Do as I say, not as I do." Historically, when jews come to prominence in a nation, destruction, war, and ruin soon follow (See, Roman Empire, Russia, Poland, Ukraine, Germany, etc.) When jews are banished, peace, prosperity, and happiness abound (See, the golden age of every European nation over the last 2000 years). Kill the virus, cure the disease.

 

[Iron]

The Alien American establishment dosnt want self determination for Whites not only in America but anywhere around the world.When Jorg Haider in Austria won an election a few years back on the line that Austria should be for the Austrians and the level of non European immigration should be restricted the US media got into a frenzy.Israel severed its diplomatic links,even though some of Haiders policys were identical to their own.Their was the same reaction to the Front National when they forced a run off.What dose any of this have to do with the American establishment?Nothing.Its just the thought of white self determination no matter where terrifies them.Many non whites around the world are free and encouraged to look out for their own survival and impliment policies that lead to that,the only people that are'nt are Whites.

 

[SteveB]

SK, you paint a very rosy picture of Japanese manufacturing which is not 100% accurate. True, the Japanese did invest heavily in automation during the 1980's and 1990's but because the return on investment never materialized, it crippled Japanese manufacturing and caused a collapse of their economy. Nowadays, the Japanese are doing what America is doing, they are outsourcing manufacturing jobs to China, Thailand, and Taiwan. Automation is great, but very expensive. Only when the benefits outweigh the costs will it be successful.

 

[Southern Knight]

SteveB, I certainly don't mean to suggest that there aren't problems with the Japanese business model. But there are some benefits to automation over "replacement immigration" that cannot be quantified with dollars and cents. I read once that, in 100 years, Japan will have a smaller population but it will be Japan; in 100 years, the United States will be El Salvador. I would rather the American economy be "crippled" in the Japanese sense, than have my daughter raped by a Mestizo thug imported by ConAgra to pick lima beans in North Carolina. In an age of astounding technological achievements, our agriculture harvesting sector operates more like a nineteenth-century sharecroppery. And it's ruining this nation. For all intents and purposes, the United States will not exist in any recognizable form by the middle of this century.

So forgive me if the Japanese system doesn't appear a bit more "rosy" in my eyes.

 

[Southern Knight]

Bringing us back on point, Hines Ward is not so bad a guy. Nothing really trashy in his background, and his Asian half gives him perhaps a bit more intelligence and stronger social conscience than the average black NFL'er.

Still I don't really see him being a hero to most Koreans. I encounter a lot of Koreans in my business and they are generally more disdainful of blacks than are most White folks. (Remember the destruction of Korean groceries during the "OJ" riots in LA? Most Koreans do.)When they look at Hines Ward, I'm sure they see a black guy, not a fellow Korean. Just as I'm sure most Thai folks don't identify strongly with Tiger Woods.

 

[Bart]

I read once that, in 100 years, Japan will have a smaller population but it will be Japan; in 100 years, the United States will be El Salvador. I would rather the American economy be "crippled" in the Japanese sense, than have my daughter raped by a Mestizo thug imported by ConAgra to pick lima beans in North Carolina.

Southern Knight, you've made some very good points in this thread. We are well on the way to becoming El Salvador, we need not wait 100 years. In fact vast segments of many cities already have become third world dumps as you undoubtedly know.Edited by: Bart

 

[White Shogun]

Japan's birthrate is so low the Japanese government is offering payments to Japanese women to have children.

The men are so busy with work that a cottage industry has sprung up to supply Japanese housewives with sex. Some Japanese women are still virgins or have not consummated the marriages with their husbands after five years or more, in extreme cases. Many Japanese men marry solely for the status that they attain in the corporate world for being 'family men.' Once that is accomplished the wives are left at home and pushed aside, except for the occasional corporate function at which they must make an appearance.

Having said all that, I agree with the Japanese policy of keeping Japan, er, Japanese.

 

[Don Wassall]

Ward will visit South Korea with his mother the first week of April. Ward lived with his black G.I. father until he was 6, but hasn't seen him since (big surprise there). When he lived with him they lived in a black community in Louisiana, and Ward said he was ashamed that he was half-Korean and was taunted growing up by blacks. Big surprise there too.

In recent weeks the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has run articles on how African immigrants are having problems in Pittsburgh because the "native" blacks harass them and make fun of them (and also recently killed one), and how black "hispanics" in the city are having the same kinds of problems. Blacks are at war with everyone. They'll unite against all other races and ethnic groups, but otherwise it's hostility and violence all around, including against each other.

 

[Guest]

In recent weeks the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette has run articles on how African immigrants are having problems in Pittsburgh because the "native" blacks harass them and make fun of them (and also recently killed one), and how black "hispanics" in the city are having the same kinds of problems. Blacks are at war with everyone. They'll unite against all other races and ethnic groups, but otherwise it's hostility and violence all around, including against each other.

Part of the reason for this is the black american "back of the bus" metality.Black americans are obviously not in the best state right now,for the most part.This is of course do to historical factors.However,if you look at carribean blacks you will notice that they tend to actually do very well in school.Many of them fill the top ranks at Ivy league schools,and they are always among the tops in their class.

One possible reason for this is the society from which carribeans are born into.It is pretty much 100 percent black,and the history of racial trauma over there(i.e. Jim Crow laws,etc.) is not quite as brutal as it has been here.Carribeans come here with the mentality that they cannot,and will not be beaten,and this is why they almost always tend to succeed.

On the other hand,many black americans fall into the mentality that they cannot beat the system.They dont bother trying to find a job,because they are still in the aforementioned "back of the bus mentality".They dont think theyll ever get a job in white america,and so many of them resign themselves to the ghettf course,there are many other possible reasons as to why the ghetto is mostly black,but this is a major one.Large numbers of them,born into this system,then turn to violence and crime because they believe it is the only way to succeed in this world.

Black americans are angry about history,slavery,jim crow laws and the like,and I can understand that.But they need to get rid of this inferiority complex and move forward,much the same way that carribeans have done.Sadly,this make take a good while.

 

[Don Wassall]

How can black Americans feel that "they can't beat the system" when every other racial and ethnic group (other than the huge invasion of hispanics in recent years, which is far too large to assimilate) has steadily advanced? Look at the Orientals -- many Vietnamese came here after the fall of South Vietnam and within one generation their standard of living is as high as that of whites. That's remarkable, a credit both to the Vietnamese and to a country in which an alien race is able to succeed to such a degree -- and which invites them to do so.

The undeniable fact is that despite black whining, the system, for a variety of reasons, wants them to succeed. Affirmative action in government and by most corporations, "sensitivity training," the Caste System (which extends to the entertainment industry as well as sports), and a media which is ridiculously pro-black -- why is it that only blacks continue to lag, year after year, generation after generation, when all other non-white groups have prospered?

Most American whites bend over backwards to a fault to be nice to blacks and to help them do well. Name one other country in history in which the dominant group has institutionalized various laws discriminating against themselves in favor of another race. Black failure can be traced almost entirely to their own problems and attitudes as a race.

 

[Southern Knight]

Futuregohan30 writes: "Part of the reason for this is the black american "back of the bus" metality.Black americans are obviously not in the best state right now,for the most part.This is of course do to historical factors.However,if you look at carribean blacks you will notice that they tend to actually do very well in school.Many of them fill the top ranks at Ivy league schools,and they are always among the tops in their class."

I'm sorry, sir, but I do believe that you are mistaken.

I have several educators in my family and they will all attest to the fact that blacks are blacks, no matter where they come from. The media have tried for years to promote the notion of the "cool, intelligent" Afro-Carribean. However, it's a big lie. Just because an African can speak coherent English with a slightly-British accent does NOT make that African any smarter than his racial bretheren. (And don't forget that the first generation of their children will be speaking American jig-ghetto-street, just like all Afro-Americans). IQ tests and other standardized tests show, unequivocally, that an African is an African is an African is an African, regardless of national background.

Jamaicans and Haitians are flooding into this country by the thousands, and they are no better than our homegrown blacks; in many cases they are worse because they were raised in corrupt societies, where fraud and bribery are a way of life.

Lastly, your presumption that blacks are being "held down" by their black-cultural pathologies plays right into the hands of the Marxists, who contend that everyone is inherently equal but for the inequality of opportunity, which can be remedied by affirmative action, black quarterbacks, welfare, etc.

Caribbean blacks are no different than other blacks.

 

[Guest]

How can black Americans feel that "they can't beat the system" when every other racial and ethnic group (other than the huge invasion of hispanics in recent years, which is far too large to assimilate) has steadily advanced? Look at the Orientals -- many Vietnamese came here after the fall of South Vietnam and within one generation their standard of living is as high as that of whites. That's remarkable, a credit both to the Vietnamese and to a country in which an alien race is able to succeed to such a degree -- and which invites them to do so.

The undeniable fact is that despite black whining, the system, for a variety of reasons, wants them to succeed. Affirmative action in government and by most corporations, "sensitivity training," the Caste System (which extends to the entertainment industry as well as sports), and a media which is ridiculously pro-black -- why is it that only blacks continue to lag, year after year, generation after generation, when all other non-white groups have prospered?

Most American whites bend over backwards to a fault to be nice to blacks and to help them do well. Name one other country in history in which the dominant group has institutionalized various laws discriminating against themselves in favor of another race. Black failure can be traced almost entirely to their own problems and attitudes as a race.

First,you seem to be assuming that that blacks are actually being benefitted much more than whites are,and that racial prejudice simple isnt an issue anymore.

As a black male myself,I will tell you that this is incorrect.Racial prejudice is still very much an issue in thsi society,and on the contrary to your assumption,it is actually directed against blacks and other minorities much of the time.

The fact is,whites are on top in this society.They own all the businesses,they have all the money(look at the forbes 400 and tell me how many of them are black) and most of the top positions in this society are held for whites only.Do you honestly believe that certain white employers dont look upon an educated,well presented black male with contempt when he comes into an interview?You dont think that often times these hopefuls are rejected,simply because they are minorities?

Even when you get that job,there are still whites who wont invite you to important meetings,who wont acknowledge the quality of your work but instead acknowledge the work of other whites who's work is not nearly as good as yours,and put them on the podium.As a black employee,you may even get to watch other whites who do not have more than an associates degree pass you by after 2 years in the system,while you with your masters degree and high level of education cannot move up after 6 years at the same position.

In other words,your assumption that blacks are given all the benefits of the world and are put up higher than whites in this society is simply false.You are also not acknowledging the fact that many blacks actually oppose affirmative action,for reasons I can out line later on.

As for the vietnamese,you are correct,they have done well.Their accomplishments are very well comparable to that of the Jamaicans.But it is as I said before:they,like the Jamaicans,come from a society that has a history of oppression which is not quite as brutal and detailed as that of americans.They were not brought here in the cramped cargo holds of wooden ships,packed like sardines and forced to sit that way for months.They were not enslaved for 400 years.They were not legally persecuted for a whole nother 100 years after that.These are the factors that contribute to the way African Americans are today.

Had they been brought here as equals,and educated and treated normally from the beginning,they would not be in the situation they are in today.The "back of the bus" mentality would not exist.

Edited by: Futuregohan30

 

[Guest]

Futuregohan30 writes: "Part of the reason for this is the black american "back of the bus" metality.Black americans are obviously not in the best state right now,for the most part.This is of course do to historical factors.However,if you look at carribean blacks you will notice that they tend to actually do very well in school.Many of them fill the top ranks at Ivy league schools,and they are always among the tops in their class."

I'm sorry, sir, but I do believe that you are mistaken.

I have several educators in my family and they will all attest to the fact that blacks are blacks, no matter where they come from. The media have tried for years to promote the notion of the "cool, intelligent" Afro-Carribean. However, it's a big lie. Just because an African can speak coherent English with a slightly-British accent does NOT make that African any smarter than his racial bretheren. (And don't forget that the first generation of their children will be speaking American jig-ghetto-street, just like all Afro-Americans). IQ tests and other standardized tests show, unequivocally, that an African is an African is an African is an African, regardless of national background.

Jamaicans and Haitians are flooding into this country by the thousands, and they are no better than our homegrown blacks; in many cases they are worse because they were raised in corrupt societies, where fraud and bribery are a way of life.

Lastly, your presumption that blacks are being "held down" by their black-cultural pathologies plays right into the hands of the Marxists, who contend that everyone is inherently equal but for the inequality of opportunity, which can be remedied by affirmative action, black quarterbacks, welfare, etc.

Caribbean blacks are no different than other blacks.

So,essentially you are implying that blacks are genetically inclined to be criminals,and achieve low social and economic standards?You are saying that,had blacks been brought to america as equals,and educated and treated fairly from the very beggining,they would have still turned out to be the way they are?

Well,I highly doubt that.Secondly,your notion that "blacks are blacks" is false,and whichever so called "educator" taught you that is simply mistaken.Statistics will show that Carribean blacks on the whole do have a high level of academic achievement.If you do not care to look at statistics,then just go out into the real world and see it for yourself.You will notice that carribeans tend to be the so called "oreos",or black people that tend to act white and be more academic on the whole.It is simply a fact.This is due to the culture that has influenced them and their parents.

Also,you should note that many blacks do reject the social undertones of African American society.They to dislike hip hop culture,and other things of the sort,because they believe that it has too much swearing and is contributing to the downfall of black american society.

You are saying that all blacks,no matter where they are from,are naturally unintelligent and thuggish,and that they all think the same way.This is incorrect,and it shows a lack of true knowledge about black society as a whole.That,or you just have an underlying contempt for blacks.

 

[Southern Knight]

Futuregohan30, I live in one of the blackest States in the Union. I have had a lifetime of observing blacks upon which to draw my conclusions.

You seem hostile, presumably because -- deep down -- you know that my observations are correct.

Black failures have nothing to do with racism or a "back of the bus" mentality. Rather, black failure is a direct function of low IQs.

Only among blacks is poverty equated with ignorance.

My brother's first college roomate grew up in one of the poorest Appalachian mountain counties in America. His family was so poor that he shared a bed -- yes, a BED -- with his younger brother until he was 14. No one in his family had ever attended college (so much for your theory of "White privilege"!).

Yet, despite his meager upbringing, he scored over 1400 on the SAT and attended a prestigious university on scholarship. (It bears mentioning that he EARNED this scholarship by academic achievement -- it wasn't an afro-firmative handout like most "black" scholarships.) He came to college with about 4 changes of clothes to his name -- he often wore shorts even on the coldest of days, out of necessity. He worked odd jobs for spending money, but I never heard him complain about his lot in life.

Fast-forward to today: he became a doctor and now practices medicine in his mountain hometown.

This fellow is the kind of White genius that simply doesn't exist among the black race. Worse yet, ignorant and jealous blacks will claim that he somehow benifited from having White skin. How g*dd*mned foolish! He benifited only by having a White brain and work ethic.

Geniuses, in a scientific sense, exist only among the White race. That is why blacks and their ignoble handlers - the jews - will always hate us. Nothing makes a lesser man feel self-pity and hatred more than being compared to the White man, with which the lesser man can never compete favorably.

 

[Guest]

Futuregohan30, I live in one of the blackest States in the Union. I have had a lifetime of observing blacks upon which to draw my conclusions.

You seem hostile, presumably because -- deep down -- you know that my observations are correct.

Black failures have nothing to do with racism or a "back of the bus" mentality. Rather, black failure is a direct function of low IQs.

Only among blacks is poverty equated with ignorance.

My brother's first college roomate grew up in one of the poorest Appalachian mountain counties in America. His family was so poor that he shared a bed -- yes, a BED -- with his younger brother until he was 14. No one in his family had ever attended college (so much for your theory of "White privilege"!).

Yet, despite his meager upbringing, he scored over 1400 on the SAT and attended a prestigious university on scholarship. (It bears mentioning that he EARNED this scholarship by academic achievement -- it wasn't an afro-firmative handout like most "black" scholarships.) He came to college with about 4 changes of clothes to his name -- he often wore shorts even on the coldest of days, out of necessity. He worked odd jobs for spending money, but I never heard him complain about his lot in life.

Fast-forward to today: he became a doctor and now practices medicine in his mountain hometown.

This fellow is the kind of White genius that simply doesn't exist among the black race. Worse yet, ignorant and jealous blacks will claim that he somehow benifited from having White skin. How g*dd*mned foolish! He benifited only by having a White brain and work ethic.

Geniuses, in a scientific sense, exist only among the White race. That is why blacks and their ignoble handlers - the jews - will always hate us. Nothing makes a lesser man feel self-pity and hatred more than being compared to the White man, with which the lesser man can never compete favorably.

You should know better than to make assumptions about somebody who you are debating with over the internet.I do not believe a word you said,which is why I even bothered to respond to it in the first place.Also,I sense a very large amount of hostility and hatred in your post.

Your brother seems like a good,honest,hard working citizen,and I respect that.However,what i do not respect is the fact that you keep purveying the notion that blacks are simply inferior.

You speak about how hard your brother worked to get where he was,and about how he had to wear shorts,even on cold days,and never complained.Do you honestly believe that these traits are only applicable to whites?
You act as though blacks are simply not capable of working hard to get somewhere,that they simply do not do it.That is simply not true.I am not trying to come across as hostile,I am only trying to tell the truth.

There are blacks who have went through the same situations as your brother,and they to came out on top.As I have said before,carribeans are prime examples of this.They come here with absolutely nothing,and they persevere.The fact that carribeans can do this,yet african americans seem to be in a poorer state,suggests that so called "black failures" do have a lot to do with the back of the bus mentality developed after the end of the more turbulent times in our history.After all,black americans arent genotypically different to carribeans at all.Therefor,it must be cultural.

You seem to think of all black people as lesser human beings who are incapable of such posssessing such traits as courage,toughness,and devotion,when it simply is incorrect.

Whites are not superior to anybody else,and they are not the sole possessors of such traits,and the fact is that to believe so is utterly foolish and just plain ignorant.

As for affirmative action,you still are not acknowledging the fact that a sizeable portion of blacks disapprove of it greatly.They believe it should be done away with,along with black history month.

 

[Don Wassall]

The Forbes 400 thing is so stale and irrelevant. There are well over 200 million whites in America. For every white person who owns a big business there are probably 100,000 who live below the poverty line. The majority of poor people in the U.S. are white.

The vast majority of white people are like me. I don't have any connections and my family isn't wealthy. Whatever I have or haven't achieved has been the result of my own efforts or lack thereof. I haven't expected anything from the government or any individuals, and I don't blame my shortcomings on others.

Many white people are not doing well. In some cases it's because they're lazy or otherwise not capable of much, but many others work very hard and are getting nowhere. That's far more typical of the lot of the average white person than the "Forbes 400" crap.

Connections do benefit some people, but not most. That's classism in action, not racism. The wealthy white elites don't have a higher opinion of whites than they do of blacks. Every white group of immigrants that came to this country started off at the bottom and worked their way up. Same with all non-white groups. You are right about the legacy of slavery and other historical conditions that black people have faced in this country. But the reality is that all the institutionalized barriers that used to exist have been broken down. Why was this done if not to benefit blacks?

Do you think the Vietnamese would have succeeded if they were always finding "racism" everywhere, which they would if they used the ultra-sensitive racial antennae of many blacks? The most "racism" most whites are guilty of these days is unintentional pandering to blacks by being goofy nice to them.

Good race relations is a two-way street. Whites get no credit or appreciation for affirmative action and other programs which are designed to help blacks move upward economically. Are you aware of how often whites encounter openly hostile black people? Do you know how many young black males love to intimidate whites and worse? Blacks as a group need to take a look in the mirror and take more of the blame for their plight. The crime and broken down family structure in many black communities wasn't caused by me or any other white person. Always blaming Whitey is a sure-fire recipe for continued failure.

 

[SteveB]

The fact is,whites are on top in this society.They own all the businesses,they have all the money(look at the forbes 400 and tell me how many of them are black) and most of the top positions in this society are held for whites only.Do you honestly believe that certain white employers dont look upon an educated,well presented black male with contempt when he comes into an interview?You dont think that often times these hopefuls are rejected,simply because they are minorities?

Wrong. Have you been to your local convenience store and saw who the owner was? He was probably Indian or Pakistani. I disagree slightly with Don about Mexican immigrants because I have seen plenty of them become successful after one generation in this country (although I agree that Mexican immigration is out of control). The point being that every ethnic group has come to this country to improve their lot in life and most have. Yet one ethnic group is still stuck on the bottom rung of the ladder.

I have been to many Caribbean countries and I can't understand why they are so poor. They have opportunities for tourism, develop their natural resources, create industry, yet they don't do it. The only explanation is they are too lazy or not intelligent enough.

 

[Guest]

The Forbes 400 thing is so stale and irrelevant. There are well over 200 million whites in America. For every white person who owns a big business there are probably 100,000 who live below the poverty line. The majority of poor people in the U.S. are white.

The vast majority of white people are like me. I don't have any connections and my family isn't wealthy. Whatever I have or haven't achieved has been the result of my own efforts or lack thereof. I haven't expected anything from the government or any individuals, and I don't blame my shortcomings on others.

Many white people are not doing well. In some cases it's because they're lazy or otherwise not capable of much, but many others work very hard and are getting nowhere. That's far more typical of the lot of the average white person than the "Forbes 400" crap.

Connections do benefit some people, but not most. That's classism in action, not racism. The wealthy white elites don't have a higher opinion of whites than they do of blacks. Every white group of immigrants that came to this country started off at the bottom and worked their way up. Same with all non-white groups. You are right about the legacy of slavery and other historical conditions that black people have faced in this country. But the reality is that all the institutionalized barriers that used to exist have been broken down. Why was this done if not to benefit blacks?

Do you think the Vietnamese would have succeeded if they were always finding "racism" everywhere, which they would if they used the ultra-sensitive racial antennae of many blacks? The most "racism" most whites are guilty of these days is unintentional pandering to blacks by being goofy nice to them.

Good race relations is a two-way street. Whites get no credit or appreciation for affirmative action and other programs which are designed to help blacks move upward economically. Are you aware of how often whites encounter openly hostile black people? Do you know how many young black males love to intimidate whites and worse? Blacks as a group need to take a look in the mirror and take more of the blame for their plight. The crime and broken down family structure in many black communities wasn't caused by me or any other white person. Always blaming Whitey is a sure-fire recipe for continued failure.

The crime and broken down society that is noticeable in some black communities,as well as the ultra sensitive "racial antennae" that they possess are direct results of the legacy and history of slavery and racism in America.The fact is,that legacy is the reason why black americans are in the situation they are in.It is also the reason why blacks can have a sort of hostility toward whites.

You are correct in your assumption that whites are more tolerant now than they have been in past decades.This is evident in the way many of them go against open racism.

While you may not believe me on this,the fact is whites have more power in this society than anybody else.Most police officers are white,most government officials are white,most of the elites in this society are white.Since these people run the country,it is only conceivable that some of the more prejudiced and racist whites are inhabiting the top positions in our society.From these positions,they do try to put out subtle acts of prejudice:they might not hire minorities,or they may simply downgrade them anyway they can.These people are still very much alive,and they have more of an effect on the lives of minorities than you think.

You also seem to want to purvey the fact that whites are poor and underpriveledged,when on the whole,the truth is that they do not have nearly the same issues that minorities do.Minorities are called minorities for just that reason:they are minorities.They do not control this society.Whites have a much higher average income than the average black or hispanic male.While you are right,there are whites who are piss poor and live in trailers and I have seen a few of them,the fact is on the whole they are better off than minorities.

It simply is not conceivable that a nation which before 1980 had some of the most repressive racial laws in the world(second to south africa),whose leaders had connections to openly racist organizations(up until the 70's,many of the state officials in Indiana were affiliated with the KKK) and whose history included some of the most enduring,and brutal systems in history(slavery) can simply turn around,and do a total 180 degree turn and become a society that loves blacks,and keeps whites down in the matter of a decade.That is simply too short a time span for such a drastic revolution to occur.

Change has happened,and the fact is we are much better off racially than we were before.However,as I have said before,it has only been 35-40 years since the civil rights movement ended.Mending such an enduring and painful act such as slavery,which lasted for 4000 years,will take more time.

I can understand,however,why you are mad about the way blacks are openly hostile to whites at times.I do not like it either.It is just another annoying component of the cycle of hatred that has been in continuos motion since the end of slavery.
Many blacks from the days of the civil rights movement remember the days of Emmitt Till,the Death of MLK,the Bus Boycott,etc.They arent dead yet,and they have passed their teachings and experiences on to their children.Many of these children,when they first see this react with anger.They get angry at whites after seeing videos about segregation and the KKK.I will admit that I myself,when i was younger,first reacted with anger after my first exposure to racism in history.

While I studied the matter,and eventually realized the truth,many blacks have not and will continue to react with anger towards whites.Those are the blacks you will see beating up white guys when they stray into the bad parts of town,and those are the blacks you will see who use the phrase crakka,or honkey.
The truth is,we still have a long way to go to achieve racial unity.The fact is,serious racial hatred did not end all that long ago,and you cant expect the majority of blacks to simply forget it when their predecessors who lived through it are still alive.

In the end,if we all want racial peace,we will have to learn to live together regardless of history.However,we may need to give that some time.It will take longer than just 40 years.In the meantime,we can all learn to work together to make that day come a little sooner.We need to break this cycle of hatred.

 

[Guest]

The fact is,whites are on top in this society.They own all the businesses,they have all the money(look at the forbes 400 and tell me how many of them are black) and most of the top positions in this society are held for whites only.Do you honestly believe that certain white employers dont look upon an educated,well presented black male with contempt when he comes into an interview?You dont think that often times these hopefuls are rejected,simply because they are minorities?

Wrong. Have you been to your local convenience store and saw who the owner was? He was probably Indian or Pakistani. I disagree slightly with Don about Mexican immigrants because I have seen plenty of them become successful after one generation in this country (although I agree that Mexican immigration is out of control). The point being that every ethnic group has come to this country to improve their lot in life and most have. Yet one ethnic group is still stuck on the bottom rung of the ladder.

I have been to many Caribbean countries and I can't understand why they are so poor. They have opportunities for tourism, develop their natural resources, create industry, yet they don't do it. The only explanation is they are too lazy or not intelligent enough.

Well,i actually am a carribean,and I will tell you that the situations in such places as the barbados and Jamaica are not nearly as bad as you seem to think.Countries such as Haiti and the Dom. Republic are in bad shape due to civil wars and bad leaders,like Papa Doc Duvallier.

"Wrong. Have you been to your local convenience store and saw who the owner was? He was probably Indian or Pakistani"
Ok,so pakistanis and indians own many small convenience stores.Do they own as many fortune 500 companies?No.Do you know who owns 90 percent of those fortune 500 companies?
Whites.

"The point being that every ethnic group has come to this country to improve their lot in life and most have. Yet one ethnic group is still stuck on the bottom rung of the ladder."
I have already explained why this is.Further,are you saying that while you have seen mexicans that can be successful,you still have not seen any successful blacks?I find this hard to believe.

Are you now implying that mexicans are better than blacks to?

 

[White Shogun]

Gohan, what are your views on the lack of white running backs and corner backs in the NFL?

 

[Don Wassall]

Gohan, what do you think has to be done for there to be racial peace and equality in your eyes? It seems you put all of the onus on whites to change their behavior and thinking in certain ways. What about whites who want to live and associate only with whites? What about blacks who only want to associate with their own kind, ala Louis Farrakhan's followers? How do we deal with so many ethnic and racial groups and also remain a free country?

 

[Guest]

Gohan, what are your views on the lack of white running backs and corner backs in the NFL?

I agree with Jon Entine's theories on this subject.I have read many of his articles,and they seem to make a lot of sense.

 

[Guest]

Gohan, what do you think has to be done for there to be racial peace and equality in your eyes? It seems you put all of the onus on whites to change their behavior and thinking in certain ways. What about whites who want to live and associate only with whites? What about blacks who only want to associate with their own kind, ala Louis Farrakhan's followers? How do we deal with so many ethnic and racial groups and also remain a free country?

Well,I am not putting everything on whites here.I have said in my last post that blacks will need to change to eventually if we want to move forward.

people who want racial separatism normally want it becasuse they believe in certain racist theories:i.e. blacks are inferior,whites are all evil,etc. However,I believe that by trying to spread the knowledge that disproves such racist ideology(i.e. white people are not evil,and blacks are not inferior) we will be able to convince some racial separatists not to want to separate any longer.Of course,this may not be as easy as I am making it sound,but it is our best shot.

I know that many of you on these boards do wish that whites had their own separate homeland( i saw that thread a couple months ago),but in the end the separation of the races will not solve anything in the end.We all have something to offer each other.why should we separate ourselves?

In the future,when we finally do take major steps toward racial peace,and much of the tension from our history has been relieved,we can finally move forward to a world that is much better than today.Separation will only ensure that each race is limited to certain things associated with themselves.

If we come together at that time,we can combine our minds and our resources to create a better world.Separatism is not the answer.

Furthermore,it is also impossible.Whether we like it or not,the races are together,and they are interacting with each other.We are all stuck together,and there simply is no way that we can just split up and create new countries.
We have created this situation,and now we must live with it.And again,in order to do that,we need to learn how to achieve racial peace.That will take time,but we can take steps toward that goal now.

 

[guest301]

I like this debate here so far. It's civil, reasonable, a decent exchange of views and well thought out on both sides. How long have you been visiting caste football before joining Gohan and why did you?