HBO's Great Black Hopes

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Gibbon,

i don't often comment in the boxing section (as i know little about the "sweet science"), but i would also like to welcome you to Caste Football. you and your thoughtful posts (that i've read in this section and others) are most welcome.

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Hey guys, HBO last Saturday propped up two young affeletos will some ability. One suffered a highlight reel stoppage by White French/Canadian Decarie. He is one we should keep an eye on.

The other suffered a brutal mauling by future HOFer Vic Darcinyan and lost by UD. Vic has lined up a another big fight. Congrats to both.:rockon:

At least HBO did not offered up bums to their affeletos.
 

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Maybe not yet an HBO great black hope, but certainly this writer's GBH. Seth Mitchell, former Michigan State linebacker is drooled over in this article. It is nice to note that Tommy Zbikowski was his inspiration. Mitchell wouldn't last a round with either Klitschko brother.

Seth Mitchell absolutely is the latest great black hope at heavyweight.

We'e already seen the Klitschko brothers savagely knock out numerous Negroes from the States, and believe me, Seth Mitchell won't fare any better than others before him such as Calvin Brock (brutally KO'd by Wlad in 7), Eddie Chambers (brutally KO'd unconscious by Wlad in 12), and Chris Byrd (Negro great who was twice beaten, once KO'd by Wlad).

Seth Mitchell is very strong, I'll give him that. But guess what, strength and punching power will only carry you so far, especially at the highest level. He has no defense, is slow, does not have the best chin, and his technique is severely lacking.

Mitchell only had about 25 amateur fights and started boxing at the age of 25 or so. That spells disaster if he was ever to face a top quality heavyweight.

Quite frankly, I think there is a chance that Johnathon Banks, Mitchell's next opponent, is able to outbox and defeat him, I would call it close to a 50-50 fight. Banks will have to survive the early rounds, but he's a decent boxer and certainly faster, more mobile, and better skills than Mitchell. If Banks survives 3 to 4 rounds, he could manage to outbox the slower, less creative Mitchell.

Not only would the Klitschko's destroy Seth Mitchell, I also think the following boxers would beat him (probably by KO):

- Kubrat Pulev
- Denis Boytsov
- Tyson Fury (interesting that Fury only had 40 amateur fights, but he began boxing at a much younger age (his teens) than Mitchell, he also has developed better through harder fights)
- David Price
- David Haye
- Dereck Chisora
- Odlanier Solis
- Cris Arreola
- Rob Helenius
- Vyacheslav Glazkov
- Alex Povetkin
- Tomasz Adamek

- Guys like Kevin Johnson, JC Gomez, John Banks, Tor Hamer, Alex Dimitrenko, Bermane Stiverne are all 50-50 type fights with him.

The truth is that picking up boxing at the age of 25 is just asking for trouble. Mitchell is strong, but thats the only good thing I can say of his boxing abilities. He has no defense and he is there to be knocked out by a good boxer puncher. Someone like David Price or Klitschko Brothers would KO him early. Defense is even more important that strength at this level and Mitchell just has no sort of defense to make these competitive fights.

You just cant make it at the highest level of boxing with only 25 amateur fights. It'll be fun to see American fans' reactions when he does lose, and rest assured, that day is coming very soon!

:)

I mean, can you honestly picture Mitchell (started boxing at age 25, had about 25 amateur fights) being even remotely competitive with Klitschko's (started boxing as a boy, had 200+ or so amateur fights) or even someone like Odlanier Solis (started boxing as a boy, had 200+ amateur fights)?

It's a mismatch
. Id be surprised to see Mitchell last more than 3 rounds against the top of the division. You just can't be successful with his lack of experience and skills. It showed in his last fight, btw.

Seth Mitchell VS Either Klitschko, David Haye, Odlanier Solis, David Price would be the equivalent to someone just starting playing soccer, suddenly being matched against Real Madrid. Thats the difference in experience here.
 
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Seth Mitchell absolutely is the latest great black hope at heavyweight.

We'e already seen the Klitschko brothers savagely knock out numerous Negroes from the States, and believe me, Seth Mitchell won't fare any better than others before him such as Calvin Brock (brutally KO'd by Wlad in 7), Eddie Chambers (brutally KO'd unconscious by Wlad in 12), and Chris Byrd (Negro great who was twice beaten, once KO'd by Wlad).

Seth Mitchell is very strong, I'll give him that. But guess what, strength and punching power will only carry you so far, especially at the highest level. He has no defense, is slow, does not have the best chin, and his technique is severely lacking.

Mitchell only had about 25 amateur fights and started boxing at the age of 25 or so. That spells disaster if he was ever to face a top quality heavyweight.

Quite frankly, I think there is a chance that Johnathon Banks, Mitchell's next opponent, is able to outbox and defeat him, I would call it close to a 50-50 fight. Banks will have to survive the early rounds, but he's a decent boxer and certainly faster, more mobile, and better skills than Mitchell. If Banks survives 3 to 4 rounds, he could manage to outbox the slower, less creative Mitchell.

Not only would the Klitschko's destroy Seth Mitchell, I also think the following boxers would beat him (probably by KO):

- Kubrat Pulev
- Denis Boytsov
- Tyson Fury (interesting that Fury only had 40 amateur fights, but he began boxing at a much younger age (his teens) than Mitchell, he also has developed better through harder fights)
- David Price
- David Haye
- Dereck Chisora
- Odlanier Solis
- Cris Arreola
- Rob Helenius
- Vyacheslav Glazkov
- Alex Povetkin
- Tomasz Adamek

- Guys like Kevin Johnson, JC Gomez, John Banks, Tor Hamer, Alex Dimitrenko, Bermane Stiverne are all 50-50 type fights with him.

The truth is that picking up boxing at the age of 25 is just asking for trouble. Mitchell is strong, but thats the only good thing I can say of his boxing abilities. He has no defense and he is there to be knocked out by a good boxer puncher. Someone like David Price or Klitschko Brothers would KO him early. Defense is even more important that strength at this level and Mitchell just has no sort of defense to make these competitive fights.

You just cant make it at the highest level of boxing with only 25 amateur fights. It'll be fun to see American fans' reactions when he does lose, and rest assured, that day is coming very soon!

:)

I mean, can you honestly picture Mitchell (started boxing at age 25, had about 25 amateur fights) being even remotely competitive with Klitschko's (started boxing as a boy, had 200+ or so amateur fights) or even someone like Odlanier Solis (started boxing as a boy, had 200+ amateur fights)?

It's a mismatch
. Id be surprised to see Mitchell last more than 3 rounds against the top of the division. You just can't be successful with his lack of experience and skills. It showed in his last fight, btw.

Seth Mitchell VS Either Klitschko, David Haye, Odlanier Solis, David Price would be the equivalent to someone just starting playing soccer, suddenly being matched against Real Madrid. Thats the difference in experience here.
He is a Black version of Tom Mcneely. He may be able to backdoor his way to a title shot, but there is no way he is beating either K brother, or even Povetkin. I think he beat Banks on size and maybe desire. But if you can't beat Banks you can't beat any elite heavyweight.
 

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He is a Black version of Tom Mcneely. He may be able to backdoor his way to a title shot, but there is no way he is beating either K brother, or even Povetkin. I think he beat Banks on size and maybe desire. But if you can't beat Banks you can't beat any elite heavyweight.

Either Klitschko or Povetkin? He won't beat any of the top 20 white heavys. Where is Deontay Wilder? Why hasn't this supa afflete stepped up the competition yet?
 
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Seth Mitchell was knocked out in 2 rounds by Johnathon Banks just now. Can't say I'm surprised, as I indicated in my post yesterday that I thought there was a good chance that Banks would win.

Its pathetic that Seth Mitchell was actually a betting favourite in this fight going in. I said yesterday it was a 50-50 fight, and I think that was largely accurate (or certainly more accurate than the mainstream view).

Honestly, I was expecting a Banks decision win, but all the same, I'm not surprised he KO'd Mitchell.

As I said, his lack of defense, lack of experience, lack of speed proved detrimental. Talking about Seth Mitchell in the same sentence of Klitschko was always a joke.
 

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Seth Mitchell was knocked out in 2 rounds by Johnathon Banks just now. Can't say I'm surprised, as I indicated in my post yesterday that I thought there was a good chance that Banks would win.

Its pathetic that Seth Mitchell was actually a betting favourite in this fight going in. I said yesterday it was a 50-50 fight, and I think that was largely accurate (or certainly more accurate than the mainstream view).

Honestly, I was expecting a Banks decision win, but all the same, I'm not surprised he KO'd Mitchell.

As I said, his lack of defense, lack of experience, lack of speed proved detrimental. Talking about Seth Mitchell in the same sentence of Klitschko was always a joke.
I swear watching him wobble around the ring with knock knees he looks like Mike Tyson at the end of his career against Holyfield or Lewis. Two fights in a row now he has been wobbled and now stopped from guys who aren't noted for being among the elite of the division in terms of power. With the style he has he to make it as legitimate contender you need an iron jaw. Supposedly he has a degree in policing maybe he can walk the beat in a major city because he's not going to make as an elite heavyweight.
 

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Hee hee. Keep trying HBO. Mitchell looked like the second coming of Ernie Shavers till he got hit. Heavy hands for sure, but looks to be way too light in the chin.

Good call from Merchant by the way.
 

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Maybe it's being optimistic but I wonder if we can find a political metaphor in the current state of boxing.

Whites, as they have boxing heroes, also have political heroes, yet in both instances the dominant ethnic/political groups keeps them in the dark and out of view so that Whites remain weak, ashamed, disunited and demoralized.

Yet pitted in the ring, in the open (i.e. widely broadcast), in a fair contest, in both instances, no one doubts who would emerge victorious.

A Jared Taylor debate, on the main stage, with a Sean Hannity (or even a Libertarian ideologue like Ron Paul—whatever his merits) about where the Republican party should go if it wants to survive (i.e. start explicitly appealing to white people) would be as unilateral a beat down as a boxing match between Vladimir Klitschko and Seth Mitchell. Sure there is "spin" as there are corrupt judges in boxing but people still have eyes and ears.

And optimistically one hopes that there is a growing number out there that know the score. A number approaching a critical mass. The real score: yes, actually we are stronger than our enemy. It is possible that our strength has grown quietly? That fear is leaving us because we have seen the Truth that They have tried so desperately to bury?
 

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How sad. Another Great Black Hope-Dope bites the dust.

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A couple of things. I saw the replay. This fight says one thing. If you want to be successful in the tough sport of boxing. start young. If you do, you become relaxed, learn the tricks of the trade and know how to survive if your buzzed. Mitchell did not have the experience to rely on when the storm hit. He was clueless.

Banks on the other hand was cool as a cucumber. Totally relaxed, knew how to absorb the punishing blows from Mitchell and more importantly knew how to capitalize on his mistakes, and how to deliver damaging shots to end the fight.

Congrats to Banks. It was like watching the master take a novice around the block. Both Banks and Mitchell displayed themselves as true sportsmen.

Broner on the other hand displayed TNB beyond bounds. I hope he gets his in the 140 lbs division where Lucas Mattayses awaits.
 

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That's one of the most horrid displays of boxing I've ever seen. I think I've seen fights outside of bars a long time ago by drunks that displayed more boxing skills than this one. HBO should be ashamed of itself. If this doesn't expose them and their owners and their agenda to the DWF masses, I don't know what will.

They can't (but still will) blame the Klitschko's for what they perceive to be the state of heavyweight boxing these days, while the Klitschko's are obviously two of the few that are giving it any legitimacy at all.
 

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It's amazing how quickly he looked dazed after a few sharp cracks to the noggin. Yup, like a stumbling drunk. Yeah, leading with your head and w/ zero defense, you're going to be needing that chin. Totally exposed and by a smaller man.
 

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Heavyweight Division is for Whites

Blacks need to cede the heavyweight division. They are looking for a Tyson. But his career was hype, the MSM needs to finally admit this. Because blacks simply can't play the power game with elite White (Eastern European) fighters. Let alone among their own. It's out of their wheelhouse.

They are good on their bicycles. That is running the 100 m dash away from whites. Haha. Their skill is more in elusiveness in boxing. Of course, in a 10 round match you can run but you can't hide. Maybe they can reasonably compete in Cruiserweight but they can't swing the hammer with Thor.
 

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Remember Sam Peter? LOL. Strange how the MSM seemed excited for him? Granted it was a contained, expectant excitement. But I thought they had a bias toward American fighters? That's the reason they're not putting the dollars into promoting it anymore, right??? It's gone overseas. Geeeeez, I just can't figure it out.:noidea: Screw you too MSM!
 

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Remember Sam Peter? LOL. Strange how the MSM seemed excited for him? Granted it was a contained, expectant excitement. But I thought they had a bias toward American fighters? That's the reason they're not putting the dollars into promoting it anymore, right??? It's gone overseas. Geeeeez, I just can't figure it out.:noidea: Screw you too MSM!

Peter was a joke from the start. He's a sitting duck against any real fighter. Remember what Vitali did to him. Just a year earlier he was running his mouth screaming, "Who nex," ranting about how he was undefeated, yet the dumbass had a loss on his record when he beat Maskaev. If Maskaev was a bit younger, he could have taken that fight. Now that he has been exposed the media calls him slow, and plodding and lacking skill. Yet when he was champ he was the "next big thing."
 

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HBO house fighter Andre Berto was knocked down twice by white Hispanic boxer Robert Guerrero who won by UD.

All three judges had it 116-110 for Guerrero.

Despite being caught using PEDS some months ago, challenger Berto was paid 1.7 million dollars for this fight, while the interim titleholder Guerrero received 1.0 million.
 

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Will Miguel Cotto expose another great black hope next weekend, namely Austin Trout?

I'm not too confident because Cotto has been through a lot of wars and is past his best.
 
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