French soccer's problems: racism,...

[Europe]

"racial segregation needs to come back in a big way. it's the only way for whites to live civilly."

That's what Europe was until all the immigration. Most people in the US lived in segregated areas, even if it wasn't mandated. I lived in an all white area growing up. Never saw any non-whites.

 

[War Lord]

"If the all-black French team played well or not, it doesnt take away
from the fact that theres some kind of 'system of preference' going on
in France (and England). 80% of its players are black in a majority
white country. Im sure if in a black country with a small minority of
whites, if the football team was mainly white, you would be saying the
same (and demanding quotas! LoL)"

It doesn't have to be any system of preference. For a poor minority like blacks, soccer is one of few chances, how to improve economic level. They fill the teams and since they mature earlier than white kids, they are often selected as "more talented". You should take into consideration that while adult blacks are smaller than most whites, during adolescence they are taller because of earlier height spurt. This can naturally easily lead to their overrepresentation in certain sports, because white kids actually play against boys, who are one year older. As a result, white kids leave these sports in droves, because they simply despise black presence. Furthermore, the Frenchmen are such a low-life nation that they even purposedly hire blacks from their former colonies.

 

[Europe]

Here is an article about that moron, Anelka, who has been suspended by the French team. Ingrate Anelka says he is dying of laughter. Why don't they import more Africans to France.

Nicolas Anelka amused by suspensionEmail Print Comments267 Associated Press

PARIS -- Nicolas Anelka scoffed at his 18-match suspension from France's national football team, saying it has him "dying of laughter."

The French Football Federation suspended the Chelsea striker Tuesday for his profane tirade against France's then-coach Raymond Domenech at the World Cup. Anelka was sent home from South Africa, prompting a player strike.


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Who said I wanted to play again in blue ... for me, after the World Cup in South Africa, the French team is now history.

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-- France striker Nicolas Anelka

In an interview in France Soir newspaper on Wednesday, Anelka called the suspension a "masquerade to not lose face."

"These people are real clowns ... I'm dying of laughter," the report quoted Anelka.

The 18-match ban is expected to last for nearly two years, meaning that by the time he's again eligible to play for "Les Bleus," Anelka will be 33 and unlikely to be recalled.

"Who said I wanted to play again in blue?" he asked, adding that "for me, after the World Cup in South Africa, the French team is now history."

All 23 players on France's World Cup squad boycotted a training session in South Africa to protest Anelka's expulsion after he insulted Domenech during a 2-0 loss to Mexico.

The French federation summoned the five players who played a leading role in the boycott to a hearing Tuesday. Anelka and Franck Ribery didn't attend and sent lawyers instead.

Ribery, who was vice captain at the World Cup, was prevented from traveling to the hearing by his club, Bayern Munich, before the team's opening Bundesliga match on Friday.

The French federation's disciplinary commission handed former captain Patrice Evra a five-match ban, Ribery a three-match ban and Jeremy Toulalan a one-match suspension. The players can appeal.

Eric Abidal, the fifth player summoned to the four-hour hearing, wasn't punished
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[Lisa D]

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So Dhorasoo thinks the whites are being discriminated against?

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Lisa D, thanks for sharing that.

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Black players have a bit higher top speed on average, but whites have a lof of qualitys that are overlooked, scouts focus on where whites are not the best in.They also think often that blacks have stronger bodies because without shirt they look most of the time more lean/musculair but that doesn't mean a white player of 85 kg with 8-9 fat % is less strong then a musculair black of 72 kg 6% bodyfat, and the fat is a bit different disturbed so you see the abs more etc.

I go a bit off topic but I think why whites are discrimated is complicated

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Your post is very interesting and gives additional explanations.
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Lisa D, thank you for this very frank discussion. Vikash Dhorasoo would seem to be an "impartial observer", being neither European nor black nor Arab. Or does he identify himself with the Arabs or Europeans?

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">As you said, Dhorasoo is an "impartial observer"Â. He confessed he likes the places with "diversity"Â: he is embarassed when there are only black or only white persons in a place. Furthermore, he claims he's left-wing.
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Lisa D, what do you think about the French win in the Under 19 championship? Were you rooting for Spain or France? Do you think the French could have done even better if there were more whites in the team?

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">We have already won the Under 19 championship in 2005, with for example Yoann Gourcuff, Abou Diaby or Hugo Lloris, who played in the World Cup, no results.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Only the "classic" championships (World Cup, European Cup) are important. U 17, U 19, U 21 championships,"¦ are quite insignificant. Young Spanish players can improve before the senior level.
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The French coaches, like all coaches, want the best players. The best soccer players in France happen to be black.

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Why do you think about Robert Pirès, Ludovic Guily, Michaël Landreau, Sébastien Puygrenier, Philippe Mexès,...? Don't forget the scandals in France after their non-selection by the coach Raymond Domenech.
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Look at Italy during the last World Cup. They sent an all-white squad, yet they still couldn't make it past the group stage.

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">France and Italy lost, but Italy lost with dignity. And Balotelli have to improve self control and have to be more mature.
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Also, in the 2006 World Cup final,France actually outplayed Italy. Even when France were reduced to 10 men! If Italy were so superior, why couldn't they eke out a win during the rest of regulation, and in the subsequent two overtime periods with their extra man advantage? Were they playing for the game to go into penalty kicks?

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Blackstar, it's very nice of you to support my country and the French national team, but I have to be honest.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Italy was widely better than France in the 2006 final.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">France was reduced to 10 men less than 10 minutes before the end, so it was not an handicap.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">For the penalties, you just need five men; an extra man is not an advantage.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">The goal of France was the result of a very controversial penalty. Italy managed to equalize during the game, and it was widely deserved.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Furthermore, France didn't deserve to win against Portugal, they reached the final thank to an non-existent penalty -again.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I have the impression that you don't know well soccer, especially French soccer. I had to correct what you said.
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As a result, white kids leave these sports in droves, because they simply despise black presence. Furthermore, the Frenchmen are such a low-life nation that they even purposedly hire blacks from their former colonies.

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Correction: white kids leave these sports in droves, because black and Arabs simply despise white presence. (hear my video).
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">@everybody: Thank you for the so many constructive posts.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">(I will do other posts to speak about the issue of that topic, it's just the beginning)Edited by: Lisa D

 

[waterbed]

You have great soccer knowledge Lisa,I like your posts about France.
I always liked to go to france with Vacances avec a lot of autres hollandaise enfants.

 

[johnnyboy]

"That's the only thing they have in common.Kakuta is French like I am Chinese. And why do Africans move to France?"

According to French law, if you are born on French territory you are granted French citizenship once you meet certain criteria. If you have a problem with that take it up with the French government.

The human race originated in Africa. White Europeans are essentially mutant Africans. The recent immigrants are just the latest wave of African migrants to Europe.

do you think blacks are inherently better athletes, than whites?

 

[FootballDad]

The human race originated in Africa. White Europeans are essentially mutant Africans. The recent immigrants are just the latest wave of African migrants to Europe.

Prove it.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Well, well, well!! We have another fantastic troll here in blackstar. As if the stupid name doesn't give him away he purposely tries to put members against each other. A great soccer thread started by Lisa D turns into a discussion on who the first humans were. You and Pizza can take your trash elsewhere.

 

[Lisa D]

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You have great soccer knowledge Lisa,I like your posts about France.
I always liked to go to france with Vacances avec a lot of autres hollandaise enfants.

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Thank you, it's a real pleasure to talk about that with people from so different countries.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">France is a great country too (for the moment), even there are some growing problems"¦
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">And congratulations: you know some French words, it's so cute

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Well, well, well!! We have another fantastic troll here in blackstar. As if the stupid name doesn't give him away he purposely tries to put members against each other. A great soccer thread started by Lisa D turns into a discussion on who the first humans were. You and Pizza can take your trash elsewhere.

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">I had the same impression too.

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">So I will try to "revive"Â￾ this topic.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Well, previous video mentioned the formation of ethnical groups in French soccer which lead to the exclusion of some white kids.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">This clans and groups still exist in the professional teams, precisely in the French national team.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt" align=center>Sidney Govou confirmed the existence of ethnical clans and groups.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Sidney Govou acknowledged implicitly in an interview for the newspaper L'Equipe the existence of ethnical clans in the French team, the cause of the eviction of Yoann Gourcuff out of the team for the game against Mexico.
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Vincent Duluc, the journalist: "Are the different cultures forming clans in the French team?"Â￾
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Sidney Govou: "In everyday life, you look for affinities, so in the French team too. And when you look for affinities, the first thing which occurs is the colour of the skin."Â￾
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt">Yoann Gourcuff, rejected. The young "Breton"Â￾ player is the first victim of this communautarism. ("¦)
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<DIV style="tab-stops: 158.25pt">(Partial translation of different articles which speak about this problem)
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<DIV style="tab-stops: 158.25pt">http://www.ladepeche.fr/article/2010/06/20/858712-Les-clans-de-l-equipe-de-france.html
<DIV style="tab-stops: 158.25pt">http://fr.novopress.info/61226/govou-confirme-lexistence-de-clans-ethniques-au-sein-des-bleus/
<DIV style="tab-stops: 158.25pt">http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/sport/qui-veut-la-peau-de-yoann-gourcuff_900063.html
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[Highlander]

It's amazes me that the real French people continue to put up with this. They should at least "vote" with their feet and not attend (or watch) any of these games.

 

[Lisa D]

@ Highlander,

There are less and less French people who support this team. They are displeased. Actually, some people prefer to support an other team, like Germany, Italy, Argentina, Spain...

 

[waterbed]

Holland had in the 90's a team with around the same ethnic demographics and the same problems back then.When it was Anelka for the french in 2010 it was for Holland Davids that Discriminanted the trainer.I often see that most blacks have a lot of Racial Solidarity, which whites could have a bit more but in a team it gives sometimes problems when they aren't a small minority.Also maybe some players look down on the ethnic french becuase they are the minority in their native own team that represents the country.they don't say it this was in the 90's in Holland too, they don't say it but if for example the trainer is a little bit Criticical to them they show that they look down on them.
I never had som much problems with the blacks I liked that they often are very relaxing and I was even a bit Jealous on their Racial Solidarity altrough blacks have often it a bit to much and 99% of whites don't have it at all.


The dutch players of the dutch league is now 70% white of the young adult men 12% playes soccer the same as blacks in holland, but immigrants like maroccans, and Turks it was something around 40%!


1 of every 700 or so blacks players plays in the highest pro league holland or outside 246+126 dutch soccer players , I taked in to my conclusions % society in young adults and popularity of soccer.
( sub saharan full blooed ones are 2 times less overrepresented then dutch antilles Caribbean ones around 1.8 , 3.6 respectively)
1 out 2500 white dutch players
1 out off 4400 arabs players
1 out of every 8000 south asians players , east asian , a lot of years 0 players in the league.

It could be not exactly right but I hope im close I did my best

Whites dutch play a lot of Sports mostly Soccer , Ice skating, Judo Swimming, Tennis

blacks: Soccer baseball, Basketball, fightsports

Arabs: Soccer , fightsports.

I fight acadamies are often in the big citys and filled with 90% arabs/black but at the higher weight Divisions you see still great whites( Sem Schilt 4 times world champion stand up K-1 fighting)

In soccer in holland is often said we don't have strong tall defenders but white dutch men are on average 185 cm but
they forget scouts mostly scout in the non white big citys but that is now a bit changing the last years and the % whites in the league have rised a bit.

 

[waterbed]

I hated i have to say often to play with blacks in forward as a striker becuase they often don't look around them and play egoistic, and whites have often more Discipline.It is strange for me to make this generalisations but often it was true.

 

[Vinnie]

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are displeased. Actually, some people prefer to support an other team,
like Germany, Italy, Argentina, Spain..."

Hi Lisa,

interesting posts - not only the one I just quote.

This one is quite true but actually there are aswell many french people who have some italian roots (in Lorraine..) or who cheer for Germany (bcoz they live in Alsace) even when the french team is playin well !! so for me thats not normal this type of behavior, those ppl just look at who won etc. So i think in France loads of people are just "followers" not real supporters.

PS : of course when your players are having a unacceptable behavior (like in South Africa) you can blame them.
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[Lisa D]

<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">Hi Vinnie !
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">Glad to see a new poster here!

<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">Thanks for reading my topic; I'm delighted to have the possibility to contribute to this site and to read the reactions of the other members.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">What you said is not false, your remarks are very interesting, but the attitude ofmany French players is not"¦ exemplary (no respect for the shirt, some of them don't sing the National anthem "la Marseillaise"Â￾). It can explain why many persons in France don't really support them. And how to approve the hand of Henry, if we want to show respect to Ireland?
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">Actually, the French have the impression that some disrespectful players took the national team hostage. They don't feel represented by these players.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">And as you said, it was even more difficult to support them after their behavior in South Africa

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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">Nevertheless, these players totally in disgrace, have succeeded in unifying the whole nation against themselves"¦
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">The number of parodies of the French team on YouTube is really impressive. Some of them are very funny, especially when you understand the French language.
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">For example, one of my favorite parodies, where the story of Les Bleus is compared to a famous reality TV program in France called Secret story. Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAEaawLG0bA (if you need a translation, I'm here ^^, but it's globally understandable even for English-speakers, and it's very sarcastic and ironic).
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 10pt">But I have the impression that the situation is changing with the new coach Laurent Blanc. He managed to change the team.Edited by: Lisa D

 

[Matra1]

French players still want their bonuses for the World Cup!

LinkEdited by: Matra1

 

[Lisa D]

News: French players give up theirs bonuses for the World Cup except for Henry and Anelka. What a shame...

Still pathetics...
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/soccer/2010-12-21-1006074364_x.htm

 

[Liverlips]

That's what you get with a squad full of racists, mercenaries and colonizers. The French soccer team does not even represent the people of France anymore. Thank God teams like Spain and Italy still play Spaniards and Italians.

 

[Lisa D]

That's what you get with a squad full of racists, mercenaries and colonizers. The French soccer team does not even represent the people of France anymore. Thank God teams like Spain and Italy still play Spaniards and Italians.

+1. I agree.


By the way, the most popular joke when Laurent Blanc became the new trainer of the team after the World Cup was:

- OK, with Laurent Blanc, there will be at least one white in the French team. (Blanc means white in French)

Laurent Blanc
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[Vinnie]

The spirit has completely changed under Blanc since the massive south african joke..

To be honest, OK as a White french boy im gonna be more identified to my team with white players in it, than with a 90% coal black team. But I want and what I feel all french supporters want is a new team spirit since the disaster under Domenech... The same motivation that invaded France during 1998 and 2000 competitions...

And I believe Laurent is doing his best to bring back in town all of this.

Ps: Im also French coming from the North East =)
But right now i'm living in the german part of Switzerland, and what kind of surprises me here is that the country is REALLY conservative on many aspects of life (its even sometimes boring as f***), but the national soccer team for instance is also a complete melting pot if wou look at the -17 team, its full of boys who have ex yougoslavian, portuguese, tunisian, spanish, etc. with a very low percentage of 'pure' french swiss or german swiss players. And people are really behind their teams, probably because their behaviour is fair, the complete opposite of what we French saw during last summer...

 

[Lisa D]

The spirit has completely changed under Blanc since the massive south african joke..

To be honest, OK as a White french boy im gonna be more identified to my team with white players in it, than with a 90% coal black team. But I want and what I feel all french supporters want is a new team spirit since the disaster under Domenech... The same motivation that invaded France during 1998 and 2000 competitions...

And I believe Laurent is doing his best to bring back in town all of this.

Ps: Im also French coming from the North East =)
But right now i'm living in the german part of Switzerland, and what kind of surprises me here is that the country is REALLY conservative on many aspects of life (its even sometimes boring as f***), but the national soccer team for instance is also a complete melting pot if wou look at the -17 team, its full of boys who have ex yougoslavian, portuguese, tunisian, spanish, etc. with a very low percentage of 'pure' french swiss or german swiss players. And people are really behind their teams, probably because their behaviour is fair, the complete opposite of what we French saw during last summer...

Vinnie, I'm very happy that you are here, as a French poster.
I like your post. I agree with you. As a huge fan of Laurent Blanc, a great man and coach, I'm happy to see that this "new team spirit" like you said is born.

I will go to the Stade de France to see the next game France-Brazil. It is a good thing that Evra won't be there (like Ribéry for instance), because he is the symbol of the human disaster during the World Cup.

Oh, you com from the North East

... From Lorraine (like me), Alsace...?

Your example is stricking. The problem was the spirit of the team, some cultural problems. I don't know if there is a translation for that, but we can use the word "caillera" (racaille), "esprit des cités" (cité may be considered as a synonym for ghetto). That's why Gourcuff, who was Breton and not muslim, was ostracized by players like Ribéry... (and of course because they were jealous of himtoo)...Edited by: Lisa D

 

[referendum]

I'm wondering, is Blanc, the new coach, putting in more white players on the team? Maybe he could be inspired by the fact that the whitest NFL team, the Green Bay Packers, just won the Super Bowl.

 

[Cartouche]

I doubt he has ever heard about any Green Packers or what. American football is a game limited to your sports microcosm.

 

[Jack Lambert]

If Blanc should be inspired by anything, it's those other European teams, you know, Germany, Spain, and Italy. Spain and Italy play nearly all Spanish and Italians, and Germany isn't very far behind them with playing Germans. They all did better than the Frogs in the World Cup. Hopefully, Blanc will realize he has to get actuall Frenchmen on his team instead of making it look like North Africa. Than again, if France wants to stay like this, they can keep getting their butts whooped by these teams and others.

@referendum, I wouldn't know, but right now, France is the Pittsburgh Steelers of European football, as in, one of the blackest teams out there.Edited by: Jack Lambert

 

[Rebajlo]

Well, here is the French lineup from last night's 1-0 friendly win over Brazil. France's goal was scored by the whoremongering Berber, Karim Benzema...

FRANCE:

Started: 4 Whites (Lloris, Mexes, Gourcuff, Menez), 5 blacks (Abidal, Sagna, Diarra, M'Vila, Malouda), 1 Arab (Rami), 1 Berber (Benzema)
Finished:4 Whites (Lloris, Mexes, Cabaye, Gameiro),6 blacks (Abidal, Sagna, Diarra, Diaby, Malouda, Remy), 1 Arab (Rami)