Early look at 2011 NFL draft

[Don Wassall]

Let's hope Matt isn't commiserating with Jeff Samardzija a couple of years from now on one of the Cubs' farm teams.

 

[SuperSpeed23]

Thanks celtic. The announcers havent been to bad. They gave props to brandon bair. I noticed byu safety andrew rich but they havent mentioned him at all.

 

[Leonardfan]

I wish Szcur would have went the football route but its not like we don't need more talented white players in the MLB too...with the increasing latinization and renewed efforts to get american blacks back into the game.

 

[Leonardfan]

Senior Bowl

QB
Jake Locker
Andy Dalton
Greg McElroy
Christian Ponder
Ricky Stanzi

RB/FB
Owen Marecic


WR
Greg Salas - don't consider him white but some on the site do

TE
Preston Dial
Mike McNeil
Luke Stocker

OL
Clint Boling
Gabe Carimi
Anthony Castanzo
Brandon Fusco
John Moffit
Kris O'Dowd
Steve Schilling
Nate Solder
Danny Watkins
Lee Ziemba

DL
Ryan Kerrigan
Chris Neild
Brooks Reed

LB
Ross Homan
Mark Herzlich
Colin McCarthy
Chris White
Casey Mathews

 

[Leonardfan]

NFL Draft Projections
(These are my initial rankings pre-senior bowl and combine. I will update them accordingly after those two events and add players.)

Offense
QB
Blaine Gabbert - 1st Round
Jake Locker - 1st Round
Ryan Mallet - 1st Round
Christian Ponder - 2nd Round
Ricky Stanzi - 3rd Round
Andy Dalton - 3rd Round
Nathan Enderle - 5th Round
Pat Devlin - 5th Round
Greg McElroy - 7th Round

FB
Owen Marecic - 4th Round
Henry Hysnoski - 6th Round
Anthonry Sherman - 6th Round
Shaun Chapas - 7th Round

WR
Dane Sanzenbacher - 4th Round
Jeff Maehl - 5th Round
Ryan Whalen - 6th Round

TE
Kyle Rudolph - 1st Round
Luke Stocker - 3rd Round
Charlie Gantt - 4th Round
Rob Housler - 5th Round
Schular Oordt - 5th Round
Mike McNeil - 6th Round
Kyle Adams - 6th Round
Zach Pianalto - 7th Round

OT
Nate Solder - 1st Round
Gabe Carimi - 1st Round
Anthony Costanzo - 1st Round
Lee Ziemba - 3rd Round
Clint Boling - 3rd Round
Mike Person - 5th Round
Kyle Hix - 6th Round
Rob McGill - 6th Round
Rich Lapham - 6th Round
Curt Porter - 7th Round

OG
Stefen Wisniewski - 1st Round (also projects as Center)
Danny Watkins - 2nd Round
John Moffit - 2nd Round
Andrew Jackson - 3rd Round
Steve Schilling - 4th Round
Zach Hurd - 5th Round
Justin Boren - 5th Round
Brad Thorson - 6th Round

C
Kris O'Dowd 2nd Round
Alex Linnenkohl - 4th Round
Brandon Fusco - 4th Round

Defense
DE
J.J. Watt - 1st Round
Ryan Kerrigan - 1st Round
Brooks Reed - 3rd Round
Ricky Elmore - 4th Round
Ryan Wintersyk - 4th Round
Justin Trattou - 6th Round
Bruce Miller - 7th Round

DT
Karl Klug - 4th Round
Chris Neild - 5th Round
Colby Whitlock - 6th Round
Dexter Larimore - 6th Round

LB
Mark Herzlich - 2nd Round
Colin McCarthy - 3rd Round
Casey Matthews - 3rd Round
Ross Homan - 3rd Round
Tom Keiser - 4th Round
Chris White - 5th Round
Nick Bellore - 5th Round
Scott Lutrus - 6th Round
Alex Wujciak - 6th Round
Eric Gordon - 6th Round

DB
Tyler Sash - 2nd Round
Brian Lainhart - 5th Round
Chris Conte - 5th Round
Brett Greenwood - 6th Round
Dom DeCicco - 7th Round

 

[celticdb15]

Here are some of our studs breakdowns from todays Senior Bowl Practice courtesy of draftdaddy.




Colorado offensive tackle Nate Solder was chippy in drills, hitting players in the back and showing some edge. He had several interesting battles with Purdue defensive end Ryan Kerrigan, most of which ended in a stand-off.***


Kerrigan covered a ton of ground quickly, and has the clear edge speed to make it to the quarterback. It will be interesting to see what he runs on the track. He has been playing with his hand in the dirt, and this may be his natural position going forward, but he has the potential to kick out to outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense.


Wisconsin offensive tackle Gabe Carimi has been working on the left side and had success at that spot. In pass protection he does a good job. He's not an amazingly quick player but his sheer size, arm length and bulk make him tough to run around. It's like running around a house, and in that way, reminds this observer of Marcus McNeil. He's an obvious load in the run game and could be distinguishing himself this week from the other North tackles.

 

[TheAnimal]

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<div>I would bet anything that he's not going to the NFL because of the Caste system and because he knows the obstacles he faces. He was lightly recruited out of South Jersey. I know the area he grew up in very well (I have family that lives not too far away) and even though its not the most densely populated area of the country, his 4.3 speed plus big play ability should of got him at least a few FBS offers. A ton of black kids get recruited from rural areas throughout the US--why wasn't Szcur? Though I'm not happy with his decision, you have to respect it.</div>

There is zero doubt in my mind he knows the uphill climb he would have in the NFL just to get a fair shot DESPITE having first round talent. The fact that he was given a mid round draft grade despite being the most athletic guy in this entire draft and able to play five skill positions at a high level(WR, RB, WK, KR, PR) they made it crystal clear where he stood as far as the NFL went.

I'm disappointed, had he got a fair shot the kid could have a Hall of Fame career potentially.

 

[Deadlift]

Short-stack sumo - Stephen Paea - has a torn meniscus.. many Poly's lack durability just like blacks. Edited by: Deadlift

 

[Riddlewire]

NFL Draft Projections
(These are my initial rankings pre-senior bowl and combine. I will update them accordingly after those two events and add players.)
...
TE
Kyle Rudolph - 1st Round
Luke Stocker - 3rd Round
Charlie Gantt - 4th Round
Rob Housler - 5th Round
Schular Oordt - 5th Round
Mike McNeil - 6th Round
Kyle Adams - 6th Round
Zach Pianalto - 7th Round
...

Do you not think Collin Franklin has a chance to be drafted?
He's got the size (6'6", 252lbs). He finished second in the nation in receptions per game among TEs. He led Iowa State in both receptions and receiving yards on the season (54c 530yds 3TD).His highlight video (despite the abysmal quality) shows that he has excellent athleticism for his size. He might not be a 'name' player, but doesn't the NFL claim to find the best players? He looks more like a prototypical NFL TE than any other player I've seen.

 

[itsme]

NFL Draft Projections
(These are my initial rankings pre-senior bowl and combine. I will update them accordingly after those two events and add players.)

Offense
QB
Blaine Gabbert - 1st Round
Jake Locker - 1st Round
Ryan Mallet - 1st Round
Christian Ponder - 2nd Round
Ricky Stanzi - 3rd Round
Andy Dalton - 3rd Round
Nathan Enderle - 5th Round
Pat Devlin - 5th Round
Greg McElroy - 7th Round

FB
Owen Marecic - 4th Round
Henry Hysnoski - 6th Round
Anthonry Sherman - 6th Round
Shaun Chapas - 7th Round

WR
Dane Sanzenbacher - 4th Round
Jeff Maehl - 5th Round
Ryan Whalen - 6th Round

TE
Kyle Rudolph - 1st Round
Luke Stocker - 3rd Round
Charlie Gantt - 4th Round
Rob Housler - 5th Round
Schular Oordt - 5th Round
Mike McNeil - 6th Round
Kyle Adams - 6th Round
Zach Pianalto - 7th Round

OT
Nate Solder - 1st Round
Gabe Carimi - 1st Round
Anthony Costanzo - 1st Round
Lee Ziemba - 3rd Round
Clint Boling - 3rd Round
Mike Person - 5th Round
Kyle Hix - 6th Round
Rob McGill - 6th Round
Rich Lapham - 6th Round
Curt Porter - 7th Round

OG
Stefen Wisniewski - 1st Round (also projects as Center)
Danny Watkins - 2nd Round
John Moffit - 2nd Round
Andrew Jackson - 3rd Round
Steve Schilling - 4th Round
Zach Hurd - 5th Round
Justin Boren - 5th Round
Brad Thorson - 6th Round

C
Kris O'Dowd 2nd Round
Alex Linnenkohl - 4th Round
Brandon Fusco - 4th Round

Defense
DE
J.J. Watt - 1st Round
Ryan Kerrigan - 1st Round
Brooks Reed - 3rd Round
Ricky Elmore - 4th Round
Ryan Wintersyk - 4th Round
Justin Trattou - 6th Round
Bruce Miller - 7th Round

DT
Karl Klug - 4th Round
Chris Neild - 5th Round
Colby Whitlock - 6th Round
Dexter Larimore - 6th Round

LB
Mark Herzlich - 2nd Round
Colin McCarthy - 3rd Round
Casey Matthews - 3rd Round
Ross Homan - 3rd Round
Tom Keiser - 4th Round
Chris White - 5th Round
Nick Bellore - 5th Round
Scott Lutrus - 6th Round
Alex Wujciak - 6th Round
Eric Gordon - 6th Round

DB
Tyler Sash - 2nd Round
Brian Lainhart - 5th Round
Chris Conte - 5th Round
Brett Greenwood - 6th Round
Dom DeCicco - 7th Round

Looks realistic.

When was the last time 10 white players were drafted in the first round?

 

[TheAnimal]

Looks realistic.

When was the last time 10 white players were drafted in the first round?

I'll go check and go back through the draft....

White players taken in round one in the last 20 years-
2010: 2
2009: 5
2008: 5
2007: 5
2006: 6
2005: 6
2004: 5
2003: 5
2002: 5
2001: 6
2000: 7
1999: 7
1998: 5
1997: 3
1996: 3
1995: 6
1994: 4
1993: 3
1992: 5
1991: 2

 

[Electric Slide]

While the quantity of receivers that are draftable is not great, the quality is. Sanzenbacher, Maehl, and Whalen all have a lot of potential and should make an impact right away. And as we know being an UDFA is not a death sentence (Blair White, Wes Welker, Danny Woodhead) so maybe some of those guys will get their shot too.

 

[Truthteller]

When was the last time 10 white players were drafted in the first round?

There were 12 first rounders in 1989,14 if you include a pair of quarterbacks selected that summer in theSupplemental draft.....14 of the top 32picks (which is the first round now) where white....11 whites, including a power tailback from Syracuse, were selected in round 2....I count a stunning 14 whites in round 3, including speed freak Don Beebe.After that round, white WR's and DB's were flying off the boards, althoughmost never got a chance-- i.e. Affholter and Koleser.

I always have believed the draft is where the "racial cleansing' of whites begins. That seemed to be the last year before you started seeing almost coal black drafts. The next season,for example, only the #1 overall (Jeff George) and center named Bern Brostek went in round one. How things got so dark so quick (and has stayed that way for over 20 years) is simply baffling.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1989/draft.htm?redir

 

[snow]

Don't forget Kris Durham, hes 6'5 and runs in the 4.5 range with great hands/height/vertical to snag passes even if he is covered in the traffic. I would rank him above Whalen at this point. Edited by: snow

 

[Don Wassall]

When was the last time 10 white players were drafted in the first round?

There were 12 first rounders in 1989,14 if you include a pair of quarterbacks selected that summer in theSupplemental draft.....14 of the top 32picks (which is the first round now) where white....11 whites, including a power tailback from Syracuse, were selected in round 2....I count a stunning 14 whites in round 3, including speed freak Don Beebe.After that round, white WR's and DB's were flying off the boards, althoughmost never got a chance-- i.e. Affholter and Koleser.

I always have believed the draft is where the "racial cleansing' of whites begins. That seemed to be the last year before you started seeing almost coal black drafts. The next season,for example, only the #1 overall (Jeff George) and center named Bern Brostek went in round one. How things got so dark so quick (and has stayed that way for over 20 years) is simply baffling.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1989/draft.htm?redir

Truthteller, I think it was you that posted before about the stark contrast between the '89 and '90 drafts. That no more than 7 Whites have been drafted in the first round for 21 straight years now is astounding, yet another anti-White streak that the NFL specializes in -- others including over a decade going by without a White TE and White WR receiving over 1,000 yards, 25 yearsgoing by without a thousand yard White RB, Sehorn the only starting White CB in the past 20 or so years, etc.

A first round hasn't been at least 25% White since the 1980s. As has been mentioned before here, if the NFL was truly a color blind institution, then the laws of probability would result in racial fluxuations at various positions and for the league as a whole over time. But for over 20 years now, one can easily predict what the percentage of White and black players will be for the league each year within a percentage point or two, and for each position. The NFL is a socially engineered construct that fits within a much larger agenda of diminishing and eventually replacing White Americans.

 

[whiteathlete33]

Every year the NFL draft is exactly the same, especially in the first round . Two or three white qb's taken in the first round, one or two offensive linemen and possibly a tight end, and usually a white defensive player. White receivers almost never go in the first round with Gonzalez being the rare occurrence. White safeties go in the middle rounds, at the earliest.

 

[Truthteller]

Truthteller, I think it was you that posted before about the stark contrast between the '89 and '90 drafts. That no more than 7 Whites have been drafted in the first round for 21 straight years now is astounding, yet another anti-White streak that the NFL specializes in -- others including over a decade going by without a White TE and White WR receiving over 1,000 yards, 25 yearsgoing by without a thousand yard White RB, Sehorn the only starting White CB in the past 20 or so years, etc.

A first round hasn't been at least 25% White since the 1980s. As has been mentioned before here, if the NFL was truly a color blind institution, then the laws of probability would result in racial fluxuations at various positions and for the league as a whole over time. But for over 20 years now, one can easily predict what the percentage of White and black players will be for the league each year within a percentage point or two, and for each position. The NFL is a socially engineered construct that fits within a much larger agenda of diminishing and eventually replacing White Americans.

Don, I have brought this up before. I agree, it's simply stunning that in over 20 years therehas not been a singledraft where at least 10 whites where picked in roundone -- that's less than 1/3rd of all the first rounders in a given year?

I haven't counted the percentagesin a few years, but for the longest time (1990's into the 2000's) Idid and it always seemed like whites would total somewhere between 26 and 31% of the number of players selected overall (all rounds). There was never, ever a "one yearflash back" to the springof 1989, whereperhaps a run white QB's or OL's took it to 40%, at least

Again, I can't understand why things changed so radically after that year. My only guess (and it's a guess) is the numbers plummeted thanks to summos and the shunning of white LB's....Up until 1990's, the OL's used to be predominately white, and you had a lot of white LB's and DL's picked. After that year it changed in a drastic way....In the late 1990's, white LB's came back into vogue a bit (thanks to Keith Brooking?), but the DL's (particularly the DT's) have never returned much.

 

[snow]

Every year the NFL draft is exactly the same, especially in the first round . Two or three white qb's taken in the first round, one or two offensive linemen and possibly a tight end, and usually a white defensive player. White receivers almost never go in the first round with Gonzalez being the rare occurrence. White safeties go in the middle rounds, at the earliest.

It seems to be getting worse with offensive linemen, since 2002, I believe there has only been one year where 2 white linemen were taken in the first, 2007 with Joe Thomas early and Joe Staley in the later part of the round. If Green Bay hadn't selected Bulaga he probably wouldve slipped to the 2nd. Meanwhile multiple sumos are being selected, many wind up being awful or just average.

edit: damn, I kept editing and updating this going back each year. 2001 was the last time 2 white linemen were drafted in the 1st besides 2007. So in 10 years only twice has there been 2 white offensive linemen drafted in the first. How can dwfs explain that? Whites dominate at the position, yet for most of the decade, only one per year was considered good enough to go in the first? Edited by: snow

 

[Don Wassall]

Every year the NFL draft is exactly the same, especially in the first round . Two or three white qb's taken in the first round, one or two offensive linemen and possibly a tight end, and usually a white defensive player. White receivers almost never go in the first round with Gonzalez being the rare occurrence. White safeties go in the middle rounds, at the earliest.

We can count on a bunch of black DTs, DEs and OL being drafted in the first few rounds -- to replace the large number of big-time busts that those picksturn out to beevery year. Meanwhile, the DWFs still ritually mention Mike Mamula, Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, Brian Bosworth and Heath Shuler -- players drafted in theprevious century -- when the subject is draft busts, a perception which of course is created and reinforced by ESPN and the NFL Network's propaganda line.Edited by: Don Wassall

 

[whiteathlete33]

Every year the NFL draft is exactly the same, especially in the first round . Two or three white qb's taken in the first round, one or two offensive linemen and possibly a tight end, and usually a white defensive player. White receivers almost never go in the first round with Gonzalez being the rare occurrence. White safeties go in the middle rounds, at the earliest.

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<div>We can count on a bunch of black DTs, DEs and OL being drafted in the first few rounds -- to replace the large number of big-time busts that those picksturn out to beevery year. Meanwhile, the DWFs still ritually mention Mike Mamula, Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandarich, Brian Bosworth and Heath Shuler -- players drafted in theprevious century -- when the subject is draft busts, a perception which of course is created and reinforced by ESPN and the NFL Network's propaganda line.</div>

This draft looks to follow the same formula. These are the whites that have a legit shot at being drafted in the first round: Jake Locker, Blaine Gilbert, Anthony Castanzo, Nate Solder, Gabe Carimi, JJ Watt, Ryan Kerrigan, Stefen Wisniewski, and possibly Ryan Mallett. That's 9 players which would make over a quarter of the first round white, but of course all of these guys won't be drafted. I'd say Locker, Bilbert, Castanzo, Carimi, and Kerrigan are locks. Watt is pretty close to a lock so that would make six whites in the first round.

Of course plenty of over-hyped blacks with ridiculous names will be drafted in the first round like Da'Quan Bowers and Marcell Dareus. These are just two of the black defensive players that will most likely bust next year.

 

[Deadlift]

You know how we are told that "black athletes are effortlessly gliding" in football and basketball?

I never saw that with Jared Odrick, Turk McBride or Ryan Sims.. I don't see that with DaQuan Bowers, who got several cheap-sacks against inept black quarterbacks.

Bowers' should be able to be better than Tyson Jackson and Marcus Spears, but I don't see a big-time "game-changer" with him.

Whites just "work hard" while blacks "glide"...

 

[TheAnimal]

To whomever said 2007 was the last time two white offensive linemen were taken in the first: In the 2009 draft both Alex Mack and Eric Wood, both Centers were taken in round one. That obviously WASN'T the plan however once the Browns grabbed Mack the Bills panicked and drafted Wood.

I will say this about the 2009 draft though, it exposed the bias in the NFL. The question of when was the last time at least 10 players were taken in round one? If there wasn't an agenda the answer would be 2009. White 1st rounders in that draft: 1- Matt Stafford, 2- Brian Cushing, 3- Alex Mack, 4- Clay Matthews, 5- Eric Wood. Here's where it gets fuzzy. Four affletic busts were selected in the first round on the tackle position. Of those four only one you could have even thought of grading higher than Eben Britton(6) or Sebastian Vollmer(7). SEVEN linebackers/DE-LB hybrids were drafted in round one. Three were actual NFL linebackers. Of the DE/LB hybrids Bearcats DE/LB/TE Connor Barwin(8) was given a first round grade ahead of the ones drafted in the first round. Did I mention out of the four only one has panned out?

Of the three pure linebackers you have Aaron Curry, Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews. Cushing and Matthews were the two of the three to make any kind of impact. Ohio St. linebacker James Laurinaitis(9) was given a first round grade pre draft. Despite that and despite being larger than half the linebackers in the NFL he fell from first round lock to the 2nd round "because he's undersized." Yep, you guessed it, he's panned out. For #10 I give you DE/LB hybrid Paul Kruger who was dropped to the late 2nd round where he is stuck on the scout team for the Baltimore Ravens despite a highly productive College career at defensive end and having the prototypical skillset AND SIZE for 3-4 outside linebacker. #11 is Oregon Center Max Unger. Despite receiving a first round grade, being coveted over Eric Wood by teams and despite Pittsburghs #1 draft goal being draft a franchise Center for some inexplicable reason they took a pass on the #2 Center in the 2009 draft causing him to fall into the mid 2nd round.

This draft looks to follow the same formula. These are the whites that have a legit shot at being drafted in the first round: Jake Locker, Blaine Gilbert, Anthony Castanzo, Nate Solder, Gabe Carimi, JJ Watt, Ryan Kerrigan, Stefen Wisniewski, and possibly Ryan Mallett. That's 9 players which would make over a quarter of the first round white, but of course all of these guys won't be drafted. I'd say Locker, Bilbert, Castanzo, Carimi, and Kerrigan are locks. Watt is pretty close to a lock so that would make six whites in the first round.

Of course plenty of over-hyped blacks with ridiculous names will be drafted in the first round like Da'Quan Bowers and Marcell Dareus. These are just two of the black defensive players that will most likely bust next year.

You left out: Mark Herzlich(interesting how he goes from a top 10 player last year to a 2nd rounder this year over a cancer scare that went into remission), Guard Danny Watkins(11), ILB Casey Matthews(Weird, has ALL of the tools and then some, his team made the BSC Nat'l Championship and he comes from good NFL stock yet can't crack that first round grade), Brooks Reed(13) and Christian Ponder(14- Who has the accuracy that's supposedly coveted in the NFL).

Or rather THEY left out. Of your list Anthony Costonzo and Gabe Carimi have both been getting knocked left and right for not being affletic enough, they're going out of their way to trash Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett has been labelled a pothead(Strange how that works, steal laptop computers and get caught cheating on exams but are an afflete? No problem. White QB smokes a joint his freshmen year in College? Clear character risk not worth an early pick) and they've determined Wisniewski shouldn't go before round two dropping the list from nine to four. I disagree with the "expert" reports but they're working overtime to get that first round coal black.

Btw, don't be surprised if Nevada quoteback Colin Kaepernick shoots up the draft board. As hard as they're working to tear apart Jake Locker over every little thing and reminding folks Ryan Mallett is Ryan Leaf reincarnate because he smoked a joint once? They're working just as hard to move Kaepernick into round one.

 

[Don Wassall]

The annual media ritual of downgrading White college quarterbacks as the draft draws nearer is in full swing. Note how Jimmy Clausen is now lumped in with Ryan Leaf when it comes to "attitude and personality," with Ryan Mallet now joining them. I've never read exactly how Clausen has a bad attitude; apparently it emanates from his facial expressions, much as Jay Cutler is often accused of having a "bad attitude."IguessDuhMarcus Russell, Vince Young and other black QBs don't have attitude and personality issues, only White ones.

FoxSports.com's Adam Caplan believes Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett is "almost certain" to drop out of the first round of this year's draft. "Wouldn't shock me to see Mallett fall to the third," added Caplan, alluding to the Razorback's "baggage." Quarterbacks with Mallett's arm strength and pedigree rarely free-fall at draft time, but he's already drawing comparisons to Jimmy Clausen and Ryan Leaf for his attitude and personality. Scouts have also called into question his decision-making and ability to read coverages.

 

[jaxvid]

It seems as if the high drafting of black busts is an advantage to a team. Since the media rarely covers the black busts then if a team blows its pick it will get less negative coverage then if they draft a white player that doesn't pan out. If you were doing the picking wouldn't it influence you to some degree to make a "safe" pick, which is what high concencess black players that often fail are? It's a self fullfilling prophecy, don't rank white players high, and then heavily criiticize any team that does draft a white player high when the guy doesn't work out. Nice system if your goal is to screw white players!

 

[Tom Iron]

I hear all sorts of good things about Cam Newton's workout. What's the real scoop on this guy? Is he another Russell, Young, Culpepper, etc, or does he have what it takes to be a good NFL QB? I know you guys are on top of these things. I want to know what you think. I believe you guys much more than the radio.

Tom Iron...