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Good points Freedom.With the exception of linebackers,o-line,and qb's,white football players are almost always shunned to the later rounds no matter what their talent level is.Hass led the nation in receiving and was in the top 3 last year.He has been the most consistant wide receiver in the nation.What has he done wrong other than having the wrong skin pigmentation?We can only hope that soon the scouts,coaches & owners will open their eyes to the talent that these kids possess.
 
ESPN had a draft show today with Kiper, Schlereth, Woodson and Kolber. A.J. Hawk was on for a banal interview with Kolber. After it was over Schlereth gave it as his opinion that Hawk was too "tight in the hips" to be of any use in pass coverage. Woodson disagreed. This hip thing has just gotten weird.
 
ESPN had a draft show today with Kiper, Schlereth, Woodson and Kolber. A.J. Hawk was on for a banal interview with Kolber. After it was over Schlereth gave it as his opinion that Hawk was too "tight in the hips" to be of any use in pass coverage. Woodson disagreed. T This hip thing has just gotten weird.

So has Kolber's hair...I really dislike her. I find her very annyoing for some reason. They are just nit picking with Hawk since he has no real flaws they have to find something. Every LB needs big guys up front in order to operate smoothly...its football and Schlereth should know better. Hawk will be a very good pro.
 
surfsider said:
After it was over Schlereth gave it as his opinion that Hawk was too "tight in the hips" to be of any use in pass coverage. Woodson disagreed. This hip thing has just gotten weird.
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Why is this hip thing brought up with white players? Ray Lewis doesn't look all that flexible and isn't known for his speed or pass coverage. I'd would rather have a linebacker who can deliver a hit and bring down down a runner. I'd rather see Hawk punish a defender than concentrate on pass coverage like Deion Sanders.
 
why? you ask...well, it's because we "can't" say that a white player is really good, that's why. who knows what would happen then? why, white players might actually do rather well if they were given a fair shot, and who needs that? really! the nerve of someone that thinks whites deserve a chance!
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racist.
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Too tight in the hips? Is that a 2000 era version of musclebound? Wow since when doe s a linebacker need legs like Fred Astaire?
 
ESPN Insider has an article posted about how "character concerns can haunt players" when it comes to the draft.
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What a crock of you know what. This is the same leagueof which a quarter of its players have criminal records, according to a book published a few years ago by an establishment writer. And those of course are only the ones who have been caught and "punished."


As long as I-A college programs refuse to recruit qualified whites at most positions, instead pandering to the group that commits most of the serious crimes in this country, the NFL willcontinue to employan inordinate amount of criminals and thugs. And for those who doubt such discrimination could possibly exist in the sacred realm of sports, just look at howDuke's white lacrosse players are being persecuted on a daily basis while the ongoing epidemic of black-on-white race crimes is totally ignored by the same media. The racial playing field is tilted against whites in all areas of society, and sports is hardly an exception.
 
Well said Don.The spotlight on the Duke Scandal seems to get bigger by the day.It will be interesting to see how it plays out when it goes to trial.
 
I was laughing about Schlereth's hip fetish with my wife and she said the only football player she has noticed with tight hips is Jerry Rice on Dancing With the Stars.
 
Schlereth had something like 26 surgeries during hisfootball career. He personifies "toughness" but unfortunately he's a very willing proponent of Caste System perspectives.


The football fans who believe that only blacks can be fast --to the point that not a single white can play tailback and cornerback for centuries on end --can be counted on tounquestioningly acceptany and all assertions about superior black hip flexibility as well.
 
I was watching the draft special today and they were talking about 40 times and saying they were overrated. They all acknowledge that yet Hass still gets no respect. Hass is everything a football player should be yet his slow 40 time which according to these guys does not even matter keeps him back...you know if Has swas black he would be a first rounder for sure.
 
The Caste System spokesmen in the media are doing everything they can to assure us that Vince Young is the "real deal." Logically, Young's stock should be plummeting, due to lackluster workouts and a Wonderlic score that was less than half the average score of third-graders who were recently given a sample test. You can see that Hoge, Salisbury, etc. have a real vested interest in Young being a "great" QB. Some team will probably be stupid enough to draft him in the top 10, if not the top 5, but if there's any justice, he should fall much lower than Aaron Rodgers did in last year's draft.
 
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The Caste System spokesmen in the media are doing everything they can to assure us that Vince Young is the "real deal." Logically, Young's stock should be plummeting, due to lackluster workouts and a Wonderlic score that was less than half the average score of third-graders who were recently given a sample test. You can see that Hoge, Salisbury, etc. have a real vested interest in Young being a "great" QB. Some team will probably be stupid enough to draft him in the top 10, if not the top 5, but if there's any justice, he should fall much lower than Aaron Rodgers did in last year's draft.
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I would love to see him get drafted first and then turn out to be scrub city for everyone to see.
 
"I would love to see him get drafted first and then turn out to be scrub city for everyone to see."

He would get about $20 million in guaranteed money, if that happened. I'd rather he get drafted low and then crap out.
 
Southern Knight said:
He would get about $20 million in guaranteed money, if that happened. I'd rather he get drafted low and then crap out.
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20 million! Imagine how much booze, crack and ho's you can buy with that! It'll be PARTAY time in the ghetto!
 
A friend of mine is an OU fan and he said that since Young's Wonderlic performance he is referred to in their chat rooms as Radio.
 
Okay, with a week remaining before the draft, here is my run down of the top White players available at each position. Where I can find 10 prospects, I rank the top 10. However at HB and CB I can't quite get there. Basically, I am using an average of 8 Draft Sources (Scott Wright, Sporting News, Scout.com, Great Blue North, Draft Daddy, Footballs Future, Draft Consensus & NFL Draft Exchange) to come to my rankings. My personal opinion is that the only Non-Caste positions are QB, OT & C. The rest show a definite propensity to rank Black players of equal or lesser measurables much higher then Whites.


QB:

1. Matt Leinart USC 6'6" 224 SR
2. Jay Cutler Vanderbilt 6'3" 226 SR
3. Brodie Croyle Alabama 6'2" 200 SR
4. Charlie Whitehurst Clemson 6'4" 227 SR
5. Kellen Clemens Oregon 6'2" 218 SR
6. Bruce Gradkowski Toledo 6'2" 210 SR
7. Erik Meyer Eastern Washington 6'1" 209 SR
8. Paul Pinegar Fresno State 6'5" 230 SR
9. Brett Basanez Northwestern 6'2" 210 SR
10. Drew Olson UCLA 6'2" 212 SR

RB:

1. Steve Silva Holy Cross 5'11" 212 SR
2. Nick Hartigan Brown 6' 235 SR
3. Matt Birkel St Cloud St 5'9" 213 SR
4. Evan Harney San Diego 6'1" 215 SR
5. Ed Pricolo Sacred Heart 5'10" 210 SR
6. Cory Jacquay St Francis (IN) 5'10" 195 SR
7. Casey Meehan St Norbert 5'11" 185 SR

FB:

1. Garrett Mills Tulsa 6'1" 241 SR
2. Matt Bernstein Wisconsin 6'1" 260 SR
3. Nick Hartigan Brown 6' 235 SR (also projects at RB)
4. Anthony Car****no East Stroudsburg 5'11" 238 SR
5. Brandon Schnittker Ohio State 6'2" 250 SR
6. Jake Slaughter Auburn 6'2" 241 SR
7. Chris Manderino Cal 6'1" 220 SR
8. John Pannozzo Indiana 5'11" 227 SR
9. Kevin Steltz LSU 5'9" 245 SR
10. Mike Ruegger South Florida 6'2" 245 SR

WR

1. Mike Hass Oregon State 6'1" 208 SR
2. David Anderson Colorado State 5'11" 190 SR
3. Jeremy Bloom Colorado 5'9" 173 SR
4. Troy Bergeron Georgia Force 6'2" 190 JR
5. Ed Hinkel Iowa 6' 191 SR
6. Chris Denney Nebraska, Omaha 6'3" 224 SR
7. John Madsen Utah 6'5" 220 SR
8. Andy Fantuz Western Ontario 6'4" 220 SR
9. Ethan Kilmer Penn State 6' 204 SR
10. Travis LaTendresse Utah 6'1" 195 SR

TE

1. Joel Klopfenstein Colorado 6'6" 255 SR
2. Anthony Fasano Notre Dame 6'5" 250 JR
3. David Thomas Texas 6'3" 252 SR
4. Tony Scheffler Western Michigan 6'5" 264 SR
5. Owen Daniels Wisconsin 6'3" 250 SR
6. Garrett Mills Tulsa 6'1" 241 SR (Also projects at FB)
7. Jeff King Virginia Tech 6'5" 256 SR
8. Cooper Wallace Auburn 6'2" 260 SR
9. Quinn Sypniewski Colorado 6'7" 265 SR
10. Troy Bienemann Washington State 6'5" 256 SR

OT:

1. Eric Winston Miami 6'7" 310 SR
2. Daryn Colledge Boise State 6'4" 302 SR
3. Ryan O'Callaghan Cal 6'7" 340 SR
4. Andrew Whitworth LSU 6'7" 334 SR
5. Jeremy Trueblood Boston College 6'8" 316 SR
6. Joe Toledo Washington 6'6" 332 SR
7. Michael Toudouze TCU 6'6" 303 SR
8. Paul McQuistan Weber State 6'6" 310 SR
9. Zach Strief Northwestern 6'8" 333 SR
10. Brad Butler Virginia 6'7" 306 SR

OG:

1. Mark Setterstrom Minnesota 6'4" 314 SR
2. Jason Spitz Louisville 6'4" 313 SR
3. Adam Stenavich Michigan 6'4" 309 SR
4. E.J. Whitley Texas Tech 6'5" 309 SR
5. Will Allen Texas 6'5" 306 SR
6. Chris Kuper North Dakota 6'4" 301 SR
7. Matt Lentz Michigan 6'6" 320 SR
8. Robin Meadow Washington 6'5" 324 SR
9. Dan Stevenson Notre Dame 6'5" 300 SR
10. Rob Smith Tennessee 6'3" 311 JR

C:

1. Nick Mangold Ohio State 6'4" 300 SR
2. Greg Eslinger Minnesota 6'3" 292 SR
3. Ryan Cook New Mexico 6'7" 327 SR
4. Mike Degory Florida 6'5" 310 SR
5. Pat Ross Boston College 6'4" 300 SR
6. Will Montgomery Virginia Tech 6'3" 308 SR
7. Donovan Raiola Wisconsin 6'2" 301 SR
8. Chris Morris Michigan State 6'4" 298 SR
9. Todd Londot Miami, Oh 6'7" 308 SR
10. Jesse Boone Utah 6'5" 305 SR

DE:

1. Mike Kudla Ohio State 6'2" 265 SR
2. Ryan LaCasse Syracuse 6'3" 254 SR
3. Rob Ninkovich Purdue 6'3" 255 SR
4. Devan Long Oregon 6'4" 266 SR
5. Ryan Neill Rutgers 6'3" 265 SR
6. Paul Carrington Central Florida 6'7" 267 SR
7. Dan Federkeil Calgary Stampeders 6'7" 275 SR
8. Garrett McIntyre Fresno State 6'3" 262 SR
9. J.J. Milan Nevada 6'5" 265 SR
10. Scott Edmonds Kansas State 6'4" 260 SR

DT

1. Dusty Dvoracek Oklahoma 6'3" 306 SR
2. Kyle Williams LSU 6'1" 298 SR
3. Brandon Villarreal Purude 6'2" 289 SR
4. Nick Leaders Iowa State 6'2" 290 SR
5. Patrick Massey Michigan 6'5" 290 SR
6. Mark Losli Minnesota 6'6" 290 SR
7. Scott Paxson Penn State 6'4" 292 SR
8. Brent Grover Purdue 6'4" 287 SR
9. Chase Page North Carolina 6'5" 280 SR
10. Trey Mielsch Kentucky 6'4" 296 SR

OLB:

1. A.J. Hawk Ohio State 6'1" 248 SR
2. Chad Greenway Iowa 6'2" 240 SR
3. Bobby Carpenter Ohio State 6'3" 256 SR
4. Spencer Havner UCLA 6'3" 233 SR
5. Will Derting Washington State 6' 247 SR
6. Nick Reid Kansas 6'3" 234 SR
7. Kyle Killion Indiana 6' 225 SR
8. Spencer Toone Utah 6'1" 235 SR
9. John Syptak Rice 6'1" 250 SR
10. Justin Luettgerodt BYU 6'4" 240 SR

ILB:

1. Tim McGarigle Northwestern 6' 240 SR
2. Anthony Schlegel Ohio State 6'1" 250 SR
3. Trent Bray Oregon State 6'1" 231 SR
4. Nick Reid Kansas 6'3" 234 SR (Also projects at OLB)
5. Jimmy Cottrell New Mexico State 6'1" 244 SR
6. Kevin Schimmelmann Stanford 6'3" 231 SR
7. John Pannozzo Indiana 5'11" 235 SR (Also projects at FB)
8. Mike Mohoric New Mexico 6'2" 235 SR
9. Todd McCullough Florida 6'4" 234 SR
10. Digger Anderson North Dakota 6' 230 SR

CB

1. Kevin Edwards Montana 6'2" 195 SR
2. Nathan Soelberg BYU 5'11" 176 SR
3. Steve Gregory Syracuse 5'11" 185 SR
4. Josh Golden Arizona State 5'10" 189 SR
5. Wes Hostetler Ohio Northern 5'9" 185 SR
6. Joe Krile Mesa State 6' 200 SR

S

1. Eric Smith Michigan State 6'1" 210 SR
2. Scott Ware USC 6'1" 213 SR
3. Jaxson Appel Texas A&M 5'10" 193 SR
4. Chris Reis Georgia Tech 6'1" 215 SR
5. Mike Lorello West Virginia 6'1" 205 SR
6. Jason Simpson Missouri 6' 205 SR
7. John Pawielski Minnesota 6' 200 SR
8. Zach Baker East Carolina 6'2" 212 SR
9. Joe Miklos UNLV 6'2" 211 SR
10. Nik Moser Iowa State 6' 205 SR
 
great job reclaimsocial! I saw a lot of names in there we didn't get a chance to talk about here on the site. maybe we can find a way to track these guys while they are still in college. anyway it's a good list one that we can refer to on draft day. hopefully some of these guys get a shot.
 
Real nice job Reclaimsocal. Lots of good talent. One name who seems to be really popular that you missed is Nick Turnbull. In all honesty he is the one DB that probably has the best chance of getting drafted. It seems both cleveland and jacksonville have alot of interest in him. I really think next year more white dbs will be drafted. Zbikowski and Weddle are both first day picks and Weddle has a real good chance at being a CB. All in all nice list and lets hope a good amount of them get drafted next weekend.
 
Yeah Florida International DB Nick Turnbull will get drafted and he looks like a real good player and has both stats and good attirbutes to go along with him. Draftdaddy does a good job of hyping him up and giving good reports on Turnbull.
 
Nick Turnbull would lie between Lorello and Simpson at #6 on the Safety list according to my average rankings. I must have overlooked him when pulling all of the info together.

Note this isn't my opinion as to who will be drafted where, its just a compilation of data that I have averaged out from various sources. There may be some others who I overlooked, simply because I didn't have the resources to fully determine race. Google images can only get you so far
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Excellent list.I wish my printer was working.Thanks for the hard work.This will come in handy for next weekends draft.I really want to see these guys make an impact.I really curious to see where M.Hass goes.Some one needs to take a chance on Nick Hartigan.He is another Alstott!
 
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