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It's my opinion that Christianity is being used against our own people. But Christianity itself is the answer to everything I think. It is the lifestyle people live today that makes it's message so hard for people to accept. You must have the correct balance in life of physical, intellectual and emotional stimulous for Christianity to become clear. If a person doesn't have this groundwork, he/she can't accept Christianity. Just my opinion.
Tom Iron...
It's my opinion that Christianity is being used against our own people. But Christianity itself is the answer to everything I think. It is the lifestyle people live today that makes it's message so hard for people to accept. You must have the correct balance in life of physical, intellectual and emotional stimulous for Christianity to become clear. If a person doesn't have this groundwork, he/she can't accept Christianity. Just my opinion.
Tom Iron...
Any organization that has a strong component of "universal benevolence" will naturally tend to aid those who are viewed as the most in-need, whether that need be material or spiritual. So, there is a dynamic here that will tend to support a kind of "affirmative action". However, I don't see that this would intrinsically develop into a full-blown caste discrimination. I do think that, as jcole notes, the Judeo-Revolutionary factor is a common element that perverts what is basically a good quality.
This friction between "do-good and be merciful" vs. "those who would like to take advantage of it and pervert it", of course goes back many centuries. Hillaire Belloc writes about this as being cyclical in the case of a particular ethnic group, with the Christian monarchs having to complete the cycle by expelling the Jews from the lands to which the Jews were originally welcomed with open arms.
This friction between "do-good and be merciful" vs. "those who would like to take advantage of it and pervert it", of course goes back many centuries. Hillaire Belloc writes about this as being cyclical in the case of a particular ethnic group, with the Christian monarchs having to complete the cycle by expelling the Jews from the lands to which the Jews were originally welcomed with open arms.
I do not adhere to or believe in any organized religion. I am my own self being. I do not feel the need to go to a place of worship once a week to compare belt buckles or pray to an invisible male deity in the sky.
As far as the caste system goes with religion I really do not think they correlate in any way except that one's (tebow for example) strong faith in Christianity or whatever propels and motivates them to be a pro athlete. So if you get a lot of white athletes acting out a pro athlete's dream through the power of believing in a higher power, religion, well then you got something. Edited by: whiteCB
As far as the caste system goes with religion I really do not think they correlate in any way except that one's (tebow for example) strong faith in Christianity or whatever propels and motivates them to be a pro athlete. So if you get a lot of white athletes acting out a pro athlete's dream through the power of believing in a higher power, religion, well then you got something. Edited by: whiteCB
DixieDestroyer
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I'm a fundamentalist, supercessionist Christian. I believe in Biblical precepts and adherence to God's Word (which is impossible to do totally on your own...thus the need to submit to the Holy Spirit). In the way of good works (charity, etc.), I put my race first on the priority list. There are plenty of impoverished, unsaved Whites around the globe and that's where I believe missionary work should be focused by White Christians. Christians of "color" should take the lead in missionary work (to their own kind) in places live Africa (sans the White populace), South America, the Orient, etc. Let each race support its own in need.
This being said, the Fruit of the Holy Spirit are something all White Nationalists should embrace. Many of these are more (naturally) common amongst our race.
Love
Joy
Peace (inner peace)
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Faithfulness
Gentleness
Self-control
Edited by: DixieDestroyer
This being said, the Fruit of the Holy Spirit are something all White Nationalists should embrace. Many of these are more (naturally) common amongst our race.
Love
Joy
Peace (inner peace)
Patience
Kindness
Goodness
Faithfulness
Gentleness
Self-control
Edited by: DixieDestroyer
chris8812 said:
Religion can be a powerful force for good or evil. Apart from the personal aspects of religious belief the most important aspect of it concerning society is how does it function as a SURVIVAL ETHIC. In other words is it effective at advancing the health, prosperity, and well being of the group that practices it?
Without question western society advanced to such a high and superior level due to the advantages of being a Christian society. However as Christianity is now being practiced in most places in the west it has become one of the main reasons for it's decline and failure.
Modern Christianity in most of the major forms is just a slightly less secular version of the PC cultural marxism that has as it's goal the destruction of western society.
Note that for the first time in history there are more Christians south of the equator then north of it. It will soon be "their" religion as they have infused it with their own 'gods' and customs. Soon the west will not even be "Christian" in any meaningful sense.
To answer the question of how this effects the caste-sytem in sports, the answer is that it effects it in the same way that cultural marxism effects it. It supports the caste system, ensures its continuation, and will not be satisfied until it has relegated the white race to the bottom in every area possible. Just as is the case in other areas of society.
I believe in one God, The Father Almighty,maker of heaven and earth,of all things seen and unseen, I believe in One Lord Jesus Christ, the only son of God, God from God,Light from Light, true God from true God,begotten, not made. I believe in the Holy spirit, the Lord the giver of Life who proceeds from the Father and Son,with the Father and Son He is worshiped and glorified. I believe in one Holy,Catholic and Apostolic church.
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I'm a fundamentalist Christian as well, but it saddens me that so many White professing Christians have no racial awareness and care nothing for the future of their race. In many ways what jaxvid said is true about modern Christianity. Most have largely become conformed to this world and its ways.
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Well said Moose and Dixie Destroyer. I am a savedChristian, by the blood of Jesus!
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" Romans: 1;22
Now, when people lump religion with Jesus I cringe, for Christianity is not about a "Religion", it's about God who came to earth in the form of a man to take your's, mineand everyone's sin upon him on the cross to die for you and paid the ultimate sacrifice. How many of us would give upour son for the world?
The reason I'm a Christian is there's no other so called religion, that you don't have to do anything, but accept Jesus as your savior. Compare any other, you have to try andobey all the rules, do good, we can't out do God! Jesus saves because none of us are perfect and until you understand that you're a sinner, you cannot be saved. We need to do what's right, but as Dixie said, apart from The Holy Spirit it's impossible.
Iwould ask anyone reading this who is not Christian, read theBible and compare Christianity to anything else, it's unlike any other. Jesus said," I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the father but by me." Now either he's right or he's wrong, there's no in between.For the guys who don't believe, what if your wrong and Jesus is right. Think about it.
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" Romans: 1;22
Now, when people lump religion with Jesus I cringe, for Christianity is not about a "Religion", it's about God who came to earth in the form of a man to take your's, mineand everyone's sin upon him on the cross to die for you and paid the ultimate sacrifice. How many of us would give upour son for the world?
The reason I'm a Christian is there's no other so called religion, that you don't have to do anything, but accept Jesus as your savior. Compare any other, you have to try andobey all the rules, do good, we can't out do God! Jesus saves because none of us are perfect and until you understand that you're a sinner, you cannot be saved. We need to do what's right, but as Dixie said, apart from The Holy Spirit it's impossible.
Iwould ask anyone reading this who is not Christian, read theBible and compare Christianity to anything else, it's unlike any other. Jesus said," I am the way, the truth, and the life, no man comes to the father but by me." Now either he's right or he's wrong, there's no in between.For the guys who don't believe, what if your wrong and Jesus is right. Think about it.
space hillbilly
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Christianity has saved the white race many times down through the ages.
Waring factions in Europe that would never unite for race, did so for Christianity.
And together under the banner of Christianity and only inits defense, they expelled a foreign religion but also expelled the "Parasite" race that harbored it......
Waring factions in Europe that would never unite for race, did so for Christianity.
And together under the banner of Christianity and only inits defense, they expelled a foreign religion but also expelled the "Parasite" race that harbored it......
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jaxvid said:
Well said, as always.
As with all other American institutions, Judeo-Christian churches have been effectively distorted and proficiently transformed into anti-white Zionist conglomerations, professional "Love Thy Negro"Â inoculation facilities, and cash-hustling, wealth-redistributing tyrants.
Mike Huckabee (also known as "Huckleberry F-g"Â), a former Baptist pastor, quite flawlessly exhibits all of these odious qualities. After working for TV evangelists (corporate religion) for years in the 1980's, in between his dozens of "pilgrimages" to Israel and "petitioning" for the early release of black murderers and rapists, he vehemently implored his all-white churches to embrace black members. As I've emphatically stated so many times before"¦he is a truly malevolent "man."Â
Naturally, there are many exceptions in which a pastor or reverend of a Christian church actually possesses a backbone in his/her anatomy.Edited by: Thrashen
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I believe Christianity is a hoax and is no more real than Norse or Greek mythology.
Christianity was originally just a Hebrew sect. I think it may have been used by the Hebrews to try to pacify the Romans. Rome was at the height of it's power in the early days of Christianity, yet as more and more of it's citizens converted to this religion, Rome declined. Rome was more advanced in many ways in 100 AD than much of Europe was during the Dark Ages, when superstitions created by monks and priests ruled the day.
Even in the days of ancient Greece, several centuries before the establishment of the Roman Empire, literature and philosophy flourished. But soon after Christianity became the accepted religion in Europe, ignorance ruled the day.
The Vikings were much feared and virtually invincible before they converted to Christianity, winning many battles despite being greatly outnumbered. But they seemed to fade as a force to be reckoned with after they became Christianized.
Christianity was originally just a Hebrew sect. I think it may have been used by the Hebrews to try to pacify the Romans. Rome was at the height of it's power in the early days of Christianity, yet as more and more of it's citizens converted to this religion, Rome declined. Rome was more advanced in many ways in 100 AD than much of Europe was during the Dark Ages, when superstitions created by monks and priests ruled the day.
Even in the days of ancient Greece, several centuries before the establishment of the Roman Empire, literature and philosophy flourished. But soon after Christianity became the accepted religion in Europe, ignorance ruled the day.
The Vikings were much feared and virtually invincible before they converted to Christianity, winning many battles despite being greatly outnumbered. But they seemed to fade as a force to be reckoned with after they became Christianized.
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Parody, first of all there aretoo many historical eyewitnesses and finds to say Christianity is a mere hoax. If you say Christianity is a hoax, then historic philosophers, scientists, etc. can be hoaxes?
Nations don't fall because of Christian conversion. Isn't America a predominently Christian Country, we may be going down the tube so to speak, but it isn't because of our Christian Heritage. I'll chalk up part of America's possible demise to pagan liberals who believe in anything goes, do whatever you want, let criminality run wild, moral degeneration etc.
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Romans 1;21,22
Not trying to offend anyone, but please if you haven't already read the book of Romans, please read it andthe story of Jesus' death, burial,and resurrection Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John,but ultimately it's your choice to believe or not
Nations don't fall because of Christian conversion. Isn't America a predominently Christian Country, we may be going down the tube so to speak, but it isn't because of our Christian Heritage. I'll chalk up part of America's possible demise to pagan liberals who believe in anything goes, do whatever you want, let criminality run wild, moral degeneration etc.
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools. Romans 1;21,22
Not trying to offend anyone, but please if you haven't already read the book of Romans, please read it andthe story of Jesus' death, burial,and resurrection Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John,but ultimately it's your choice to believe or not
If these men were able to carry out such a hoax, then they themselves deserve to be worshiped as gods.
It is an interesting point, I think, about Christianity and the "fall" of nations. Indeed, Augustine addresses this point in "The City of God" sometime after 410 after the sacking of Rome. I myself do think that the adoption of Christianity by a nation will cause a "fall" -- but that such is really a longer-term incubation and transformation. If Saudi Arabia, for instance, were to become Christian at a grass-roots level, assuredly, this would cause the downfall of the current system. I would guess that there are too many incompatibilities for the current Islamic system to remain intact if such a change were to occur, although I could be wrong about this.
In Europe, we see mighty Rome succumb to the barbarian invasions in the West, and largely remain silent for centuries. But what do we see when Europe again awakens? A flourishing and well-ordered civilization of rights and responsibilities that extends well beyond Imperial Rome's original sway, where a scholar from England could be welcomed from Germany to Spain and beyond. A civilization where slavery has quietly ceased to exist, and where the life span of women begins to extend beyond that of men. A land where -- in one country alone and in one century (France) -- more stone was moved in building the great cathedrals than was done by Egypt in its entire history of pyramid building.
It was a great and long period of incubation as Christianity absorbed the barbarian peoples of Europe and transformed them -- rather than killing them or putting them on reservations. By the end of the Middle Ages, the scientific method can finally spring free and develop, whereas in other cultures the development of science always failed because of cyclic notions of causality or an indistinct notion between Creator and creature.
But with that being said, I do think that the adoption of Christianity can be "bad" in the short-run. God is not specifically a Norwegian, for instance, and what is good for the Vikings in the short-run may not be good for themselves or humanity in the longer-term. In Mexico, the adoption of Christianity by the natives certainly was a cause in the fall of that empire.
For some of these reasons, I am not a White nationalist as are many on this forum. I do think that Christianity does pose an inherent "vulnerability" for those who are already adherents, but that this vulnerability is necessary for a spreading beyond the original circles and for making the cultures of humanity stronger and better in the long-run. I would consider that an important priority of a government in a Christian society would be to allow some interaction between its own people and foreign peoples, but to carefully regulate these movements and migrations so as not to cause a weakening of the fabric of the society. It is not an easy task, and many empires throughout history have not been able to accomplish this task successfully.
As for the Norse and Greek mythologies, I think at least some of these are remarkable in preserving ancient truths. I cannot speak of all of the mythologies, but some of these I am quite certain are simply a case of having retained the symbology, but the language having changed and so the story becomes garbled and superficially outlandish. Uncover the original language, and then you will understand the ancient truths. I would argue that these mythologies, in fact, are partially what made the European mind accept Christianity more readily than other peoples. The European languages, I think, were closer to the language from which the original mythologies were based, and so they more easily understood the fulfillment of the ancient prophecies. It was not only the ancient Hebrews who had prophecies awaiting fulfillment, but it was also the astrologers.
It is an interesting point, I think, about Christianity and the "fall" of nations. Indeed, Augustine addresses this point in "The City of God" sometime after 410 after the sacking of Rome. I myself do think that the adoption of Christianity by a nation will cause a "fall" -- but that such is really a longer-term incubation and transformation. If Saudi Arabia, for instance, were to become Christian at a grass-roots level, assuredly, this would cause the downfall of the current system. I would guess that there are too many incompatibilities for the current Islamic system to remain intact if such a change were to occur, although I could be wrong about this.
In Europe, we see mighty Rome succumb to the barbarian invasions in the West, and largely remain silent for centuries. But what do we see when Europe again awakens? A flourishing and well-ordered civilization of rights and responsibilities that extends well beyond Imperial Rome's original sway, where a scholar from England could be welcomed from Germany to Spain and beyond. A civilization where slavery has quietly ceased to exist, and where the life span of women begins to extend beyond that of men. A land where -- in one country alone and in one century (France) -- more stone was moved in building the great cathedrals than was done by Egypt in its entire history of pyramid building.
It was a great and long period of incubation as Christianity absorbed the barbarian peoples of Europe and transformed them -- rather than killing them or putting them on reservations. By the end of the Middle Ages, the scientific method can finally spring free and develop, whereas in other cultures the development of science always failed because of cyclic notions of causality or an indistinct notion between Creator and creature.
But with that being said, I do think that the adoption of Christianity can be "bad" in the short-run. God is not specifically a Norwegian, for instance, and what is good for the Vikings in the short-run may not be good for themselves or humanity in the longer-term. In Mexico, the adoption of Christianity by the natives certainly was a cause in the fall of that empire.
For some of these reasons, I am not a White nationalist as are many on this forum. I do think that Christianity does pose an inherent "vulnerability" for those who are already adherents, but that this vulnerability is necessary for a spreading beyond the original circles and for making the cultures of humanity stronger and better in the long-run. I would consider that an important priority of a government in a Christian society would be to allow some interaction between its own people and foreign peoples, but to carefully regulate these movements and migrations so as not to cause a weakening of the fabric of the society. It is not an easy task, and many empires throughout history have not been able to accomplish this task successfully.
As for the Norse and Greek mythologies, I think at least some of these are remarkable in preserving ancient truths. I cannot speak of all of the mythologies, but some of these I am quite certain are simply a case of having retained the symbology, but the language having changed and so the story becomes garbled and superficially outlandish. Uncover the original language, and then you will understand the ancient truths. I would argue that these mythologies, in fact, are partially what made the European mind accept Christianity more readily than other peoples. The European languages, I think, were closer to the language from which the original mythologies were based, and so they more easily understood the fulfillment of the ancient prophecies. It was not only the ancient Hebrews who had prophecies awaiting fulfillment, but it was also the astrologers.
Christian identity is the answer for White Christians. The basic tenet is that the White race are the chosen people - backed by scripture. Over the last Century or two the Christian Bible/religion has been Judaized. There's lots of information out there so no reason for me to go into detail.
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I really think Don needs to lockthis thread, because it will onlly creat division between member.
And is probably the reason why it was started in the first place........Edited by: lost
And is probably the reason why it was started in the first place........Edited by: lost
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lost said:
lost, you might have a valid point. Agent provocateur use similar methods. FYI, I can deal with atheists, agnostics & Asatru pagans...as long as they're WNs and/or paleo-conservatives. To each their own.
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Actually I think Christianity is an effective force in helping drive white athletes to success. The religion helps promote a strict work ethic and discipline. Even if the athlete is not devoutly religious, they still have the ability of being able to be supported by the religion.
For example in Europe, most secular countries that have been effectively modernized have very little whites in their sports (example: France) because they lack a strict base of morals that promotes white athletes to use hard work to defy athletic caste systems. Look at how European countries that still have Christianity still tend to have almost entirely white sports teams (Spain, Italy, etc.). This is also pretty prevalent in America. A lot of white athletes come out of conservative, religious families, which is why states like California and Washington (which are around 20-30% irreligious) don't produce as many castebusters, so to speak. This is also why there are so many good white mormon athletes developing (Fredette, Collie to name a few), since they were raised in strict religious household they developed strong , hardworking beliefs.
Christianity also helps keep the athletes in line and not commit as many crimes and what not. For example even in African-American athletes, the ones raised in the church do not act like hooligans and although they are a small amount, they are also the ones I actually respect.
Ultimately I think Christianity is good for our athletes. But that is just what I think.
For example in Europe, most secular countries that have been effectively modernized have very little whites in their sports (example: France) because they lack a strict base of morals that promotes white athletes to use hard work to defy athletic caste systems. Look at how European countries that still have Christianity still tend to have almost entirely white sports teams (Spain, Italy, etc.). This is also pretty prevalent in America. A lot of white athletes come out of conservative, religious families, which is why states like California and Washington (which are around 20-30% irreligious) don't produce as many castebusters, so to speak. This is also why there are so many good white mormon athletes developing (Fredette, Collie to name a few), since they were raised in strict religious household they developed strong , hardworking beliefs.
Christianity also helps keep the athletes in line and not commit as many crimes and what not. For example even in African-American athletes, the ones raised in the church do not act like hooligans and although they are a small amount, they are also the ones I actually respect.
Ultimately I think Christianity is good for our athletes. But that is just what I think.
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I can't help you here. I am Roman Catholic. I don't know anything about Christianity
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Jaxvid got the joke. When Catholics listen to Protestants talk, we often do not understand what they are talking about. Born Again? The signs of the end of world? God decides and it happens. It is hard to believe that we use the same bible.