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A racist, a womanizer, a Muslim, and a coward who refused to fight in Vietnam for the US. The perfect propaganda tool for the liberal idiots.
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A racist, a womanizer, a Muslim, and a coward who refused to fight in Vietnam for the US. The perfect propaganda tool for the liberal idiots.
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No, I'd say Clay is probably dancing around a red hot ring in Hell, trying to stay out of Jack Johnson's range before a limitless crowd packed with nutless wiggers, a "distinguished" array of Jewish boxing promoters, managers, judges, and sports journalists plus ninety five percent of all deceased Negroes. Ted Kennedy (clad in a t-shirt emblazoned with "Chappaquiddick 69") is somewhere in a back row, furiously pumping his c0ck...
The purportedly debilitating effect that "age" wrought on Clay's pugilistic abilities from his early thirties onwards always features prominently in any discussion of his "greatness". Such absurd pseudo-medical theorising is the most persistent piece of excuse-making in the history of sport, particularly when one compares Clay's longevity with, for example, that of the Klitschko brothers or Sugar Ray Robinson. Clay's so-called age-related "decline" is employed to gloss over his increasingly substandard performances beginning around 1973 and the blatant judging decisions which consequently went in his favour.
Clay was just under 35 when he received his scandalous "unanimous decision" against Ken Norton in their third fight. But Norton had just turned 33, therefore the age difference between the pair was less than two years. Exactly twelve months and one day later, Clay was handed another disgraceful "unanimous decision", this time at the expense of the 33 year old Earnie Shavers. On that occasion, the age difference between Clay and his opponent was a "whopping" three years.
Many of Clay's "victories" on points were - to put it mildly - "gifts". The "split decision" in the second fight against Ken Norton; the even more ridiculously contrived "unanimous decision" in the third Norton fight; and the "unanimous decisions" against Jimmy Young and Earnie Shavers immediately spring to mind. All four "wins" were surrounded by the abominable stench of a Jewish politico-maketing machine desperate to preserve Clay's reputation in order to utilise his "legend" for posterity.
Ten of his twenty two wins after the age of 30 came via knockout. One of those knockout victories was against Chuck "Rabbit Punch" Wepner. Anyone who knows anything about boxing is familiar with Wepner's "ability". Another of his knockout victims was Yorkshireman Richard Dunn - a man who had already been knocked out eight times prior to his bout with Clay. Dunn's "world class" pedigree was confirmed in his next fight several months later when Joe Bugner effortlessly stopped him in the first round, flooring the hapless prick within a few seconds of the starting bell.
People forget - or conveniently overlook - that Clay was actually hit very often, even by some opponents whom he knocked out without any trouble. Despite his cinematic bluster about being too fast and skilful to hit, Clay frequently traded punches with many of the low-end cans he faced.
Now, don't get me wrong. Despite everything I've written above, there is absolutely no doubt that Clay was a genuine world class boxer. Nobody can dispute that. But he certainly wasn't the greatest boxer of all time. That's always been media ******** and hype. He was, however, one of the most despicable figures in modern sporting history who served as a prototype for the arrogant, loud-mouthed, openly anti-White uppity Negroes who have become a hallmark of American (and hence global) pop culture. That alone guarantees him a central grill position at Satan's Big Barbecue...
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In addition to Clay's ceaseless boasting about his allegedly "attractive" physical appearance, he also frequently mocked the ******* facial equipment of his dark-skinned blacks opponents. Here is a video of of the World Heavyweight Champion of Arrogance repeatedly referring to Joe Frazier as a "gorilla," with all the white reporters in attendance laughing hysterically as Ali pummeled a small gorilla doll pulled from his pocket (indicating that his remarks were frequently staged/scripted beforehand)...
A "black supremacist" that had white ancestry, bred with several different light-skinned mulatto women, belittled the looks of other black males, taunted black opponents, displayed horrendous sportsmanship during fights with black boxers (the "iconic" photo of him after KO'ing Liston and talking trash over his corpse), and was a putrid example of manhood (adultery, draft dodging, rampant immaturity, hatred of whites, etc) for the legions of black youth that literally groveled at his feet. A true "pillar of the black community," indeed!
A "black supremacist" that had white ancestry, bred with several different light-skinned mulatto women, belittled the looks of other black males, taunted black opponents, displayed horrendous sportsmanship during fights with black boxers (the "iconic" photo of him after KO'ing Liston and talking trash over his corpse), and was a putrid example of manhood (adultery, draft dodging, rampant immaturity, hatred of whites, etc) for the legions of black youth that literally groveled at his feet. A true "pillar of the black community," indeed!
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As has been mentioned Muhammad Ali was the template for the ill mannered, racist black athlete of today.
His influence on the world has been a profoundly negative one.
His influence on the world has been a profoundly negative one.
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Floyd Patterson thanks you for calling "What's my name!" by his undeserved Roman name. I've never vocally ever called him Ali when speaking to the "brother-hoods" which always leads to why, which leads to interesting conversations, if you know what I mean. Satan's Big Barbecue (lol!) is one busy soul food joint.
From the phantom punch.....
To the punch drunk......
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It's amazing how things happen sometimes - for example the death of Ali - at this portentous moment, when Donald Trump is about to become the Republican Presidential Nominee, and Race is in the news (not that it wasn't before and isn't always) with respect TO Trump and all the so-called 'Black Lives Matter' Protestors and talk about Trump being a Racist. Ali's death can have no positive influence on the Presidential race and events going into the Summer and early Fall. I would tend to think that, if anything, it's going to help fuel "heroic" courage on the part of protestors and other criminal types, as well as motivating and inspiring dirtbags like Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and other members of their ilk, and result in a potentially dangerous situation('s) in the near future.
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It's refreshing to read the comments on here regarding Ali. Everywhere else has been non worshipping the "Greatest".
A couple viewpoints worth reading:
Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Prince, Muhammad Ali... Who We are Forced to Canonize in Death Shows America is Irredeemable
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2016/06/michael-jackson-whitney-houston-prince.html
THE RACIAL HERESIES OF MUHAMMAD ALI
http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2016/6/4/the-racial-heresies-of-muhammad-ali
Michael Jackson, Whitney Houston, Prince, Muhammad Ali... Who We are Forced to Canonize in Death Shows America is Irredeemable
http://stuffblackpeopledontlike.blogspot.com/2016/06/michael-jackson-whitney-houston-prince.html
THE RACIAL HERESIES OF MUHAMMAD ALI
http://www.radixjournal.com/blog/2016/6/4/the-racial-heresies-of-muhammad-ali
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Thrashen
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Everything that Clay says about racial integration/intermarriage in this interview is absolutely true...
I have much respect for what he says here, not only because I feel the same way about myself and my race, but because Ali had the fortitude to repeatedly stand up to the Marxist British interviewer who was essentially suggesting that race is merely a social construct, we're all completely equal, and that he wouldn't mind his son or daughter breeding with non-whites. Ali set him straight the way that I've done with people when I'm discussing the topic in my life. The difference, of course, is that his black privilege permits him to speak freely on the matter.
I have much respect for what he says here, not only because I feel the same way about myself and my race, but because Ali had the fortitude to repeatedly stand up to the Marxist British interviewer who was essentially suggesting that race is merely a social construct, we're all completely equal, and that he wouldn't mind his son or daughter breeding with non-whites. Ali set him straight the way that I've done with people when I'm discussing the topic in my life. The difference, of course, is that his black privilege permits him to speak freely on the matter.
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That avatar cracks me up Thrashen.
DixieDestroyer
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Amen. I'll give Clay credit for telling it like it is & checking that cuckish limey. Although I never liked the overrated blowhard, he had it right (at that time).
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Well not even an industrial size barf bag would have been enough for the Ali worship that has been going on for the last few days. My local sports station has had a rousing discussion to try and determine who the greatest athlete ever was. The choices: Ali, Joe Louis, Jackie Robinson, Jesse Owens, or Jim Thorpe. What do they all have in common? Someone had the nerve to mention Babe Ruth but was spared when it was pointed out that Ruth probably had black ancestry.
I have heard him referred to as "the greatest athlete" ever, a hero, a humanitarian, and a host of compliments once reserved for people that actually did important things and weren't followers of a hateful religion.
A caller to the Rush Limbaugh show said the only bad thing you could say about Ali was that his poor sportsmanship opened the door to other poor sports like John McEnroe. Really. He said that. McEnroe. He had to dig up some white guy who was a poor sport and the only example he could come up with in the last 50 years was McEnroe. I have heard McEnroe's name mentioned in this way elsewhere in this comparison. As if a guy who occasionally griped at a line judge was the same type of athlete that brags about his ability, demeans his opponents, and is a poor winner as well as poor loser. In other words nearly every black athlete of the last 50 years. But yeah McEnroe.
I dug up this JB Cash article from about 10 years ago. Check out the Tom Arnold reference. Is he still around?
Mohammad Ali from Trash Talker to Mush Mouth
Every time you see a black athlete trash talk an opponent, do an end zone dance routine, mug for the camera, and say something outrageous in an interview you can thank that venerable icon of American sports: Mohammad Ali (slave name: Cassius Clay).
Since Cassius Clay burst on the scene winning a gold medal in boxing at the 1960 Olympics, sports has not been the same. You can trace a straight line in the decline of sports (and our society) from his ascendancy. Previous to Clay, athletes behaved with a certain decorum. A little bravado was accepted, but by and large athletes behaved in the manner expected from members of decent society. Once Clay became popular and his style of bragging was backed up by victories (some of dubious quality-but what the heck-he was a lowlife in a lowlife business) his style of poisonous invective aimed at opponents caught on with the black athlete---big time.
Originally he was amusing; sort of like a modern day minstrel show. He developed a collection of child like sing-song rhymes "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"; "if you don't C sharp you will B flat", that made him an amusing alternative to the typical black heavyweight champ: an ex prison con, who channeled his murderous ways into a paying job (i.e. Sonny Liston, now Mike Tyson). However Clay's style became more bitter as his career progressed. He changed his religious affiliation becoming a Black Muslim. The Black Muslim religion can be summed up as follows,
Black man in jail tries to think up a good way to con money out of other gullible blacks, so he creates a religion which believes that white people were created by an African scientist as a form of the devil. Black people are destined to rule again some day. (Presumably after they raise their average SAT scores above the level of illiteracy)
Black Muslim's are peace loving, except when they are killing their rivals, so Ali refused to enlist in the Army as a protest of the war in Vietnam (as good an excuse as any of the others used by noted 1960's pussies like Bill Clinton and Howard Dean). Ali then goes on an anti-white crusade. Suddenly Ali is not amusing anymore except to the self loathing white upper class that held sway during the sixties/seventies like Howard Cosell.
Ali continues to fight, wins most of the time, develops a strategy of defeating opponents by letting them tire themselves out by pounding on his head ceaselessly. A strategy that turns out not to have been very smart in the long run. Turned out he is the "dope” in "Rope-a-dope". After his career ends Ali develops a form of Parkinson’s disease, caused by his many years of getting his head bashed. Ali turns into a mush mouthed, laconic, zombie, paraded around in an effort to remind people of his past glories but really all he has become is a symbol of poetic justice. Smart ass turned dimwit.
Succeeding generations of black athletes are emboldened by Ali's success in sports and his ability to make money even though he criticizes all the white people financing his fortune. So they realize that they too can be ******** and whitey will still pay, and pay well, for the poor treatment he gives them.
That brings us to today where black athletes can say anything they want about white people and white people will cheer, cheer, cheer them on. The more they can rag on whitey the more we love it. Look at fat, stupid, Tom Arnold, host of the "Best Damn Sports Shoe Ever" reveling in the insults tossed his way by a succession of black athletes and hosts. Ha ha, whitey is so slooow! How slow is he? He's so slow a black man can take his culture, woman, and money, and all he wants to know is what time is kickoff?
Join castefootball.us if that pisses you off
I have heard him referred to as "the greatest athlete" ever, a hero, a humanitarian, and a host of compliments once reserved for people that actually did important things and weren't followers of a hateful religion.
A caller to the Rush Limbaugh show said the only bad thing you could say about Ali was that his poor sportsmanship opened the door to other poor sports like John McEnroe. Really. He said that. McEnroe. He had to dig up some white guy who was a poor sport and the only example he could come up with in the last 50 years was McEnroe. I have heard McEnroe's name mentioned in this way elsewhere in this comparison. As if a guy who occasionally griped at a line judge was the same type of athlete that brags about his ability, demeans his opponents, and is a poor winner as well as poor loser. In other words nearly every black athlete of the last 50 years. But yeah McEnroe.
I dug up this JB Cash article from about 10 years ago. Check out the Tom Arnold reference. Is he still around?
Mohammad Ali from Trash Talker to Mush Mouth
Every time you see a black athlete trash talk an opponent, do an end zone dance routine, mug for the camera, and say something outrageous in an interview you can thank that venerable icon of American sports: Mohammad Ali (slave name: Cassius Clay).
Since Cassius Clay burst on the scene winning a gold medal in boxing at the 1960 Olympics, sports has not been the same. You can trace a straight line in the decline of sports (and our society) from his ascendancy. Previous to Clay, athletes behaved with a certain decorum. A little bravado was accepted, but by and large athletes behaved in the manner expected from members of decent society. Once Clay became popular and his style of bragging was backed up by victories (some of dubious quality-but what the heck-he was a lowlife in a lowlife business) his style of poisonous invective aimed at opponents caught on with the black athlete---big time.
Originally he was amusing; sort of like a modern day minstrel show. He developed a collection of child like sing-song rhymes "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee"; "if you don't C sharp you will B flat", that made him an amusing alternative to the typical black heavyweight champ: an ex prison con, who channeled his murderous ways into a paying job (i.e. Sonny Liston, now Mike Tyson). However Clay's style became more bitter as his career progressed. He changed his religious affiliation becoming a Black Muslim. The Black Muslim religion can be summed up as follows,
Black man in jail tries to think up a good way to con money out of other gullible blacks, so he creates a religion which believes that white people were created by an African scientist as a form of the devil. Black people are destined to rule again some day. (Presumably after they raise their average SAT scores above the level of illiteracy)
Black Muslim's are peace loving, except when they are killing their rivals, so Ali refused to enlist in the Army as a protest of the war in Vietnam (as good an excuse as any of the others used by noted 1960's pussies like Bill Clinton and Howard Dean). Ali then goes on an anti-white crusade. Suddenly Ali is not amusing anymore except to the self loathing white upper class that held sway during the sixties/seventies like Howard Cosell.
Ali continues to fight, wins most of the time, develops a strategy of defeating opponents by letting them tire themselves out by pounding on his head ceaselessly. A strategy that turns out not to have been very smart in the long run. Turned out he is the "dope” in "Rope-a-dope". After his career ends Ali develops a form of Parkinson’s disease, caused by his many years of getting his head bashed. Ali turns into a mush mouthed, laconic, zombie, paraded around in an effort to remind people of his past glories but really all he has become is a symbol of poetic justice. Smart ass turned dimwit.
Succeeding generations of black athletes are emboldened by Ali's success in sports and his ability to make money even though he criticizes all the white people financing his fortune. So they realize that they too can be ******** and whitey will still pay, and pay well, for the poor treatment he gives them.
That brings us to today where black athletes can say anything they want about white people and white people will cheer, cheer, cheer them on. The more they can rag on whitey the more we love it. Look at fat, stupid, Tom Arnold, host of the "Best Damn Sports Shoe Ever" reveling in the insults tossed his way by a succession of black athletes and hosts. Ha ha, whitey is so slooow! How slow is he? He's so slow a black man can take his culture, woman, and money, and all he wants to know is what time is kickoff?
Join castefootball.us if that pisses you off
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Great post Flint. I can't believe some delusional drunk white slob had to pull John McEnroe out of his ass to compare
Ali's antics and the precedent he set for blacks over the past 50 years. Utterly pathetic as is this ali worship currently
gripping the idiotic masses.
Ali's antics and the precedent he set for blacks over the past 50 years. Utterly pathetic as is this ali worship currently
gripping the idiotic masses.
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Maybe he was speaking to Milo Yiannopoulos (a supporter), the alt.-right ****** who has a tour of University's across the fruited plains that is setting SJW aflame.
The official campus tour poster.
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I already joined thank you!
".....Ali continues to fight, wins most of the time, develops a strategy of defeating opponents by letting them tire themselves out by pounding on his head ceaselessly. A strategy that turns out not to have been very smart in the long run. Turned out he is the "dope” in "Rope-a-dope". After his career ends Ali develops a form of Parkinson’s disease, caused by his many years of getting his head bashed. Ali turns into a mush mouthed, laconic, zombie, paraded around in an effort to remind people of his past glories but really all he has become is a symbol of poetic justice. Smart ass turned dimwit....."
Bwahahahahahah!!!!!!!
I'm sending this Mohammad Ali from trash talker to mush mouth everywhere, thank you!
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Muhammad Ali's complicated relationship with the Jews
Boxing great and cultural icon Muhammad Ali, who passed away on Friday aged 74, was known for his quick and darting technique in the ring and his ability, as he put it himself, to float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.
That gift for stinging characterized Ali both in and outside the ring, where his quick tongue and stinging repartee made headlines no less than his fists - and sometimes with greater effect. He became a symbol for black liberation during the 1960s by standing up to the U.S. government and refusing to enlist to the army for religious reasons, famously saying: "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong. No Vietnamese ever called me a ******."
His conversion to Islam in 1964 - accompanied by a name change from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali - and his subsequent sympathy for Arab causes made Jews a frequent target of his silver tongue, even as several Jews were among his long-time supporters and admirers. It made for a complex relationship between the boxer and world Jewry.
When Ali made his triumphant comeback to the ring in Atlanta in 1970, after being out of action for 43 months on draft-evasion charges, he commented on the possibility of another bout with long-time rival Joe Frazier by saying: "To those who might want it, the fight will come. All those Jewish promoters – they’ll see that it comes off.”
Though a reporter said Ali was smiling as he said it, boxing insiders criticized him for insulting “the guys who went to bat for him” – specifically. Harry Markson, the boxing director of Madison Square Garden in New York, and Sam Massell, the mayor of Atlanta.
After announcing his retirement from the ring in 1974, Ali lost no time in throwing right hooks at Zionism and embracing the Palestinian cause. Talking to reporters in Beirut, Lebanon, at the start of a tour of the Middle East, Ali said that “the United States is the stronghold of Zionism and imperialism.”
On a subsequent visit to two Palestinian refugee camps in southern Lebanon, the former heavyweight boxing champion was quoted by a news agency as saying: “In my name and the name of all Muslims in America, I declare support for the Palestinian struggle to liberate their homeland and oust the Zionist invaders.”
Ali even visited Israel, coming to "arrange for the freeing of the Muslim brothers imprisoned by Israel" in 1985, when some 700 Lebanese Shi'ites were detained in the Atlit camp, against the background of the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon.
Ali wanted to discuss the release of "all 700 brothers" with the "very highest level in the country," but Israeli officials politely declined to enter the ring.
In 1980, during a visit to India to promote a boycott of the Olympic Games in Moscow after the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, Ali maintained that Zionists “control” America and the world.
Asked for his thoughts on the Iranian hostage crisis by India Today, Ali denounced the Iranians as "fanatics," but still managed to blame the Jews.
"Religion ain’t bad; it’s people who are bad," he said. "You know the entire power structure is Zionist. They control America; they control the world. They are really against the Islam religion. So whenever a Muslim does something wrong, they blame the religion."
Despite his frequent jabs at the Jewish community and Israel, Ali couldn't seem to alienate some of his most fervent Jewish admirers, among them Hollywood star Billy Crystal.
Crystal's 1977 impression of the boxing legend deciding to convert to Judaism and change his name to Izzy Yiskowitz became legendary on its own right. Fifteen years later, Ali had the pleasure of having Crystal perform at his 50th birthday party.
Sportscaster Howard Cosell, born Howard Cohen, was perhaps Ali's biggest defender. Unlike many others, Cosell immediately called Ali by his new, Islamic name after he changed it from Cassius Clay, and also stood up for his right to resist the draft. The Jewish journalist and the Muslim champion had a rapport that was evident in post-fight interviews, where they exchanged barbs and bantered, drawing in enchanted viewers.
Ali mellowed in his autumn years, perhaps partly due to becoming "zaidy" to a Jewish grandson, born to his daughter Khaliah Ali-Wertheimer and her husband Spencer Wertheimer. Ali was there to witness little Jacob Wertheimer "becoming a man" at Philadelphia’s Congregation Rodeph Shalom in 2012, and, according to his daughter, was nothing but respectful of the bar mitzvah ceremony.
"My father was supportive in every way. He followed everything and looked at the Torah very closely. It meant a lot to Jacob that he was there,” she said.
But Ali expressed tolerance well before that, when in 1996, before lighting the Olympic flame at the Atlanta games, he declared: "My mother was a Baptist. She believed Jesus was the son of God, and I don’t believe that. But even though my mother had a religion different from me, I believe that, on Judgment Day, my mother will be in heaven.
"There are Jewish people who lead good lives. When they die, I believe they’re going to heaven. It doesn’t matter what religion you are, if you’re a good person you’ll receive God’s blessing. Muslims, Christians and Jews all serve the same God. We just serve him in different ways.
"Anyone who believes in One God should also believe that all people are part of one family. God created us all. And all people have to work to get along."
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042
Boxing great and cultural icon Muhammad Ali, who passed away on Friday aged 74, was known for his quick and darting technique in the ring and his ability, as he put it himself, to float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.
That gift for stinging characterized Ali both in and outside the ring, where his quick tongue and stinging repartee made headlines no less than his fists - and sometimes with greater effect. He became a symbol for black liberation during the 1960s by standing up to the U.S. government and refusing to enlist to the army for religious reasons, famously saying: "I ain't got no quarrel with them Viet Cong. No Vietnamese ever called me a ******."
His conversion to Islam in 1964 - accompanied by a name change from Cassius Clay to Muhammad Ali - and his subsequent sympathy for Arab causes made Jews a frequent target of his silver tongue, even as several Jews were among his long-time supporters and admirers. It made for a complex relationship between the boxer and world Jewry.
When Ali made his triumphant comeback to the ring in Atlanta in 1970, after being out of action for 43 months on draft-evasion charges, he commented on the possibility of another bout with long-time rival Joe Frazier by saying: "To those who might want it, the fight will come. All those Jewish promoters – they’ll see that it comes off.”
Though a reporter said Ali was smiling as he said it, boxing insiders criticized him for insulting “the guys who went to bat for him” – specifically. Harry Markson, the boxing director of Madison Square Garden in New York, and Sam Massell, the mayor of Atlanta.
After announcing his retirement from the ring in 1974, Ali lost no time in throwing right hooks at Zionism and embracing the Palestinian cause. Talking to reporters in Beirut, Lebanon, at the start of a tour of the Middle East, Ali said that “the United States is the stronghold of Zionism and imperialism.”
On a subsequent visit to two Palestinian refugee camps in southern Lebanon, the former heavyweight boxing champion was quoted by a news agency as saying: “In my name and the name of all Muslims in America, I declare support for the Palestinian struggle to liberate their homeland and oust the Zionist invaders.”
Ali even visited Israel, coming to "arrange for the freeing of the Muslim brothers imprisoned by Israel" in 1985, when some 700 Lebanese Shi'ites were detained in the Atlit camp, against the background of the Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon.
Ali wanted to discuss the release of "all 700 brothers" with the "very highest level in the country," but Israeli officials politely declined to enter the ring.
In 1980, during a visit to India to promote a boycott of the Olympic Games in Moscow after the Russian invasion of Afghanistan, Ali maintained that Zionists “control” America and the world.
Asked for his thoughts on the Iranian hostage crisis by India Today, Ali denounced the Iranians as "fanatics," but still managed to blame the Jews.
"Religion ain’t bad; it’s people who are bad," he said. "You know the entire power structure is Zionist. They control America; they control the world. They are really against the Islam religion. So whenever a Muslim does something wrong, they blame the religion."
Despite his frequent jabs at the Jewish community and Israel, Ali couldn't seem to alienate some of his most fervent Jewish admirers, among them Hollywood star Billy Crystal.
Crystal's 1977 impression of the boxing legend deciding to convert to Judaism and change his name to Izzy Yiskowitz became legendary on its own right. Fifteen years later, Ali had the pleasure of having Crystal perform at his 50th birthday party.
Sportscaster Howard Cosell, born Howard Cohen, was perhaps Ali's biggest defender. Unlike many others, Cosell immediately called Ali by his new, Islamic name after he changed it from Cassius Clay, and also stood up for his right to resist the draft. The Jewish journalist and the Muslim champion had a rapport that was evident in post-fight interviews, where they exchanged barbs and bantered, drawing in enchanted viewers.
Ali mellowed in his autumn years, perhaps partly due to becoming "zaidy" to a Jewish grandson, born to his daughter Khaliah Ali-Wertheimer and her husband Spencer Wertheimer. Ali was there to witness little Jacob Wertheimer "becoming a man" at Philadelphia’s Congregation Rodeph Shalom in 2012, and, according to his daughter, was nothing but respectful of the bar mitzvah ceremony.
"My father was supportive in every way. He followed everything and looked at the Torah very closely. It meant a lot to Jacob that he was there,” she said.
But Ali expressed tolerance well before that, when in 1996, before lighting the Olympic flame at the Atlanta games, he declared: "My mother was a Baptist. She believed Jesus was the son of God, and I don’t believe that. But even though my mother had a religion different from me, I believe that, on Judgment Day, my mother will be in heaven.
"There are Jewish people who lead good lives. When they die, I believe they’re going to heaven. It doesn’t matter what religion you are, if you’re a good person you’ll receive God’s blessing. Muslims, Christians and Jews all serve the same God. We just serve him in different ways.
"Anyone who believes in One God should also believe that all people are part of one family. God created us all. And all people have to work to get along."
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.723042
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I've had some disrespectful things to say about Ali, and he deserves criticism for a lot, in particular the arrogant personality one sees reflected in Rap culture as J.B. Cash points out in Muhammad Ali from trash talker to mush mouth. However as this article and the vid: The truth about Muhammad Ali reminds us, he was not so black & white. He was like all men, a work in progress and not, with all the usual human frailties, and contradictions, but seems also to have been aware of himself, and trying to make progress. Not for me to judge the Man's soul, though that public a figure, with that big a mouth (young Ali), made a very inviting target.
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I have likewise never referred to Clay as "Ali" and have been doing my best to bulldoze his so-called "legend" since - literally - early childhood. Back in kindergarten I informed all of the other six year olds that his real name was Cassius Marcellus Clay and promptly got into trouble for saying he was a "big-mouthed ******" whom the Jews had deliberately maintained as a fake champion to "brainwash White people into believing that ******* are tougher than we are". Being an "advanced reader" and all-round pint-sized seeker of knowledge, I even used the second Ken Norton fight as an example. Naturally, this type of talk was wasted on my ignorant little classmates...but the teachers and headmaster quickly took notice and weren't too impressed. That's when I received the first of my numerous primary school reprimands for using the big bad N word. These days, such talk would land the mini-Rebajlo in a special "cultural sensitivity" class while my parents might find themselves arrested. O tempora, o mores...
Had he been born after 1980, I doubt that the Louisville Spud's parents would have burdened him with a Classical "slave" name. Perhaps he might have been registered as Desontay Clay (or some other imbecilic ghetto crime against orthography which happened to rhyme with his "patrician" surname). I'm sure he'd be awfully pleased, as such an appellation would doubtlessly reflect the "gravitas" of his "personality" like a flawless mirror.
Maybe he would've been called "Shitavius":
http://liberative.blogspot.ca/2011/11/its-satire-and-not-black-women-losing.html
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Thing about Aliclay was that he was funny. It all seemed tongue in cheek. All that, 'I'm so pretty, I'm the greatest', it just seemed like a shtick, like pro wrestling banter. It's only when he got serious that it turned ugly. It was like the class clown decided to try and be the class president. Why so serious? I think a lot of people stayed with him through his delusional trip down Nation of Islam lane because they were waiting for the punch line.
Rebajlo, it is amazing that you felt/thought that way as a six year old and sought the truth in Australia of all places. In 1973, I went to a grade school where I pretty much the lone pale face. We had a class election between Nixon and McGovern. I choose Nixon because all the little ****** picked McGovern. I asked why they were picking McGovern. Most said ,that Nixon was racist and their negro parents "hated" Nixon. Right then I instinctually knew that I as a 3rd grader picked the right man. So, in closing not much in thought processes in blacks has changed from 1973 till now, 2016. Blacks just a stupid mob voting for the party of Slavery, fought to keep slavery, party of the KKK, Jim Crow, segregation , imprisonment of Japanese American, against the civil right acts and voting act! Astounding this moron mob supports the uber vile party called the democrats..
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People have largely ignored that fact that Clay/Ali fell for a sect that literally believed in a Black racist version of scientology. Elijah Muhammad talked about Whites being something similar to Danny Devito in Twins and Blacks were similar to the Arnold character in the movie.
Also when the reporters snickered at his racist taunts against the obviously blacker Frazier, the few who are still around now in this era grandstand and decry the racist claims of Gayfeather against anybody that isn't Black.
We also have to remember that Ali was cash poor when he retired and his estate similar to Elvis needed money badly so his media image was crafted by his last wife and the team of marketers that she hired and worked with. We truly have no idea what Ali truly felt about race relations with Whites, his daughers marriage to a White man and his Quadroon grandchildren. I do know this that she kept Ali away from his down and out son who his now on welfare(Ali was a known pushover who routinely gave away thousands to anybody with a sad story to tell). IMO she is a less aggressive version of Yoko Ono or Imelda Marcos.
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To his credit Clayali broke from the loony version of Nation of Islam religion, which was really just made up by one guy and used the word "Islam" because it was exotic at the time to black american prisoners, was NOT Christianity-a white religion, and has some base in Africa. He converted to the conventional version of Islam, much as Malcolm X did, thereby salvaging their reputation by linking their black supremacy to an actual established religion.
AliClay found out the hard way that black supremacist ex-boxers were not in great demand for business opportunities post career. ClayAli tried to make money from the black community post career with stuff like shoe shines but found out that aside from McDonalds there is not much money to be made from blacks. Guys like George Foreman and to a lesser extent Mike Tyson have moderated their image to become more marketable. This was not an option for him after he got so sick he could not really be a public personality.
It's hard to say what would have happened had he not become a human zombie, he might have been able to shuck and jive his way into the White House.
AliClay found out the hard way that black supremacist ex-boxers were not in great demand for business opportunities post career. ClayAli tried to make money from the black community post career with stuff like shoe shines but found out that aside from McDonalds there is not much money to be made from blacks. Guys like George Foreman and to a lesser extent Mike Tyson have moderated their image to become more marketable. This was not an option for him after he got so sick he could not really be a public personality.
It's hard to say what would have happened had he not become a human zombie, he might have been able to shuck and jive his way into the White House.