White Shogun said:Get lost before you get booted, Trollheel.
Yeh, he's about as original and insightful as Skip Bayless.
White Shogun said:Get lost before you get booted, Trollheel.
Guests said:To say that Brian Leonard would be a Top 5 pick with 379 yards gained if he was black is simply absurd.
Guests said:Rashaan Salaam won the Heisman, and was close to the NCAA rushing title that year. He SUCKED in the pros. College success doesn't necessarily equate to pro success.
Guests said:Look, you guys are basing your opinion on emotion, not the hard facts. Ray Rice is a BETTER RUNNING BACK. He PROVED it. THAT'S why he got the job. The coach wanted to WIN GAMES, and they did.
The reason you feebly blame race is because you can't argue the numbers.. and you KNOW Ray's numbers, so it serves no purpose to post them. To say that Brian Leonard would be a Top 5 pick with 379 yards gained if he was black is simply absurd.ÂÂ
Matt Haas was bounced for Marques Colston. He had over 1,000 yards in 13 games. Rashaan Salaam won the Heisman, and was close to the NCAA rushing title that year.  He SUCKED in the pros. College success doesn't necessarily equate to pro success.ÂÂ
White Shogun said:Look Tarheel, you're basing your opinion on stereotypes, not the facts.
How exactly did Ray Rice prove he is a better running back? How do you know Leonard wouldn't have done the same or better?
Why was Haas bounced for Marques Colston?
How do you know Haas wouldn't have done the same or better?
Guests said:Matt Jones didn't play wideout in college, but the Jacksonville staff saw raw talent and athleticism in him, and drafted him with the #21 pick TO PLAY WIDEOUT. The fact that J'ville drafted him, and played him at a totally foreign position, blows a chasmic hole in your theory.
Put the bottle down you must be Drunk.Ray Rice is nowhere better than Leonard Rice has the benefit of a better O-Line and A better Rutgers Teams for that matter.You can twist the numbers all you want most of the time when Leonard got the ball everybody new he was getting it.Plus all them shortyardage carries he might pick up the first or get the TD but when you only have to get a yard that will bring your yard per carry down.THEN RICE ON THE OTHER HAND GETS A LOT OF 3RD AND LONG RUNS on a draw which inflates his average.Why is it that Leonard hardly ever when he got outside would get run down but Rice does.But were talking who projects best at the next level and in that case Leonard is way better prospect Faster in the forty,better Vision.Stronger and a better Receiver.You say stats then tell me why Bettis who was a FB his whole time at Notre Dame with average numbers was put at RB but Leonard can't.Guests said:White Shogun said:Look Tarheel, you're basing your opinion on stereotypes, not the facts. How exactly did Ray Rice prove he is a better running back? How do you know Leonard wouldn't have done the same or better?
How did Ray Rice prove he's a better back? Are you kidding? In 2003 and 2004, when Leonard was the feature back, Rutgers SUCKED, and his numbers were paltry. He had 880 yards at 4.1 per his freshman year, and 732 at 3.7 his sophomore.
In 2005, when Rice was a true 18 year old freshman, they shared the load. Rice's numbers SKUNKED Leonard's.. WHO WAS 21 at the time. That's simply a fact. You can always try to talk up his positives for "Caste" purposes, but the overall truth is the truth. At the end of the day, coaches want to install the best player to ensure VICTORIES. Rice, regardless of his color, just happened to be that player. They saw it in him during practice. That's why he became the feature back.  The coaching staff was RIGHT! He JOGGED 1,800 yards, at a 5.7 clip, and number 2 in the country.
Rice put the team on his back, scored 20 touchdowns, and carried them to 11 wins. I live in New Jersey, and follow and like both players.. but you can't impeach the truth. Leonard was replaced by a MORE CAPABLE BACK. It happens. To cry race, in light of the numbers, is just ridiculous. Brady Quinn, a true freshman at the time, uprooted Carlyle Holiday. You know why? BECAUSE HE WAS A BETTER QUARTERBACK! Coaches make tough decisions for the betterment of the team. It's not the end of the world.ÂÂ
Why was Haas bounced for Marques Colston? How do you know Haas wouldn't have done the same or better?
I dont know why, but the decision-makers are paid to improve the team.  Marques Colston is one of the top wideouts in the game.  He was integral in the Saint's resurgence. The coaching staff saw the potential in him, ÂÂ
Who knows how Haas would have done. Maybe he would have done well, maybe he would have stunk up the joint. It's irrelevant at this point.  Maybe they felt his system at OS was conducive to his productivity.  Maybe they felt his lack of speed would only have be effective against inferior college corners.If teams saw potential in him, and thought they could utilize him to win games, they would play him.  If he showed major league, NFL potential while on the practice squads, he'd be used.
Matt Jones didn't play wideout in college, but the Jacksonville staff saw raw talent and athleticism in him, and drafted him with the #21 pick TO PLAY WIDEOUT. The fact that J'ville drafted him, and played him at a totally foreign position, blows a chasmic hole in your theory.
Rice is a better scat back type player at the college level, but there is no way he is a better pro prospect. Even if Leonard wasn't versatile he has a huge size advantage on Rice, that is the key ingredient for a pro prospect. Rice will bounce out of the league within a few seasons and either play arena ball or the CFL or if the money doesn't interest him get on with his life in the real world. Rice at best will be a third rounder if not a second day pick.a-train said:Put the bottle down you must be Drunk.Ray Rice is nowhere better than Leonard Rice has the benefit of a better O-Line and A better Rutgers Teams for that matter.You can twist the numbers all you want most of the time when Leonard got the ball everybody new he was getting it.Plus all them shortyardage carries he might pick up the first or get the TD but when you only have to get a yard that will bring your yard per carry down.THEN RICE ON THE OTHER HAND GETS A LOT OF 3RD AND LONG RUNS on a draw which inflates his average.Why is it that Leonard hardly ever when he got outside would get run down but Rice does.But were talking who projects best at the next level and in that case Leonard is way better prospect Faster in the forty,better Vision.Stronger and a better Receiver.You say stats then tell me why Bettis who was a FB his whole time at Notre Dame with average numbers was put at RB but Leonard can't.Guests said:White Shogun said:Look Tarheel, you're basing your opinion on stereotypes, not the facts. How exactly did Ray Rice prove he is a better running back? How do you know Leonard wouldn't have done the same or better?
How did Ray Rice prove he's a better back? Are you kidding? In 2003 and 2004, when Leonard was the feature back, Rutgers SUCKED, and his numbers were paltry. He had 880 yards at 4.1 per his freshman year, and 732 at 3.7 his sophomore.
In 2005, when Rice was a true 18 year old freshman, they shared the load. Rice's numbers SKUNKED Leonard's.. WHO WAS 21 at the time. That's simply a fact. You can always try to talk up his positives for "Caste" purposes, but the overall truth is the truth. At the end of the day, coaches want to install the best player to ensure VICTORIES. Rice, regardless of his color, just happened to be that player. They saw it in him during practice. That's why he became the feature back. The coaching staff was RIGHT! He JOGGED 1,800 yards, at a 5.7 clip, and number 2 in the country.
Rice put the team on his back, scored 20 touchdowns, and carried them to 11 wins. I live in New Jersey, and follow and like both players.. but you can't impeach the truth. Leonard was replaced by a MORE CAPABLE BACK. It happens. To cry race, in light of the numbers, is just ridiculous. Brady Quinn, a true freshman at the time, uprooted Carlyle Holiday. You know why? BECAUSE HE WAS A BETTER QUARTERBACK! Coaches make tough decisions for the betterment of the team. It's not the end of the world.
Why was Haas bounced for Marques Colston? How do you know Haas wouldn't have done the same or better?
I dont know why, but the decision-makers are paid to improve the team. Marques Colston is one of the top wideouts in the game. He was integral in the Saint's resurgence. The coaching staff saw the potential in him,
Who knows how Haas would have done. Maybe he would have done well, maybe he would have stunk up the joint. It's irrelevant at this point. Maybe they felt his system at OS was conducive to his productivity. Maybe they felt his lack of speed would only have be effective against inferior college corners.If teams saw potential in him, and thought they could utilize him to win games, they would play him. If he showed major league, NFL potential while on the practice squads, he'd be used.
Matt Jones didn't play wideout in college, but the Jacksonville staff saw raw talent and athleticism in him, and drafted him with the #21 pick TO PLAY WIDEOUT. The fact that J'ville drafted him, and played him at a totally foreign position, blows a chasmic hole in your theory.
Leonardfan said:Blah, was watching NFL network and they showed Leonard weighing in..he looked solidly built and every bit the part of an RB but Mariucci and the other commentator kept saying Leonard was in denial and needed to bulk up to becoem a fb. Than they show a 6'3 243 Micheal Bush and go on and talk about how he would be a great change of pace back and how nimble he is, he looks big and sloppy as did JaMarcus Russell actually. The double standards are to much to bear.
Who in the NFL would you consider your playing style similar to?
Brian: I really don't feel like I am like a specific person in the NFL. I think of myself as more of a new type of back. If I had to compare myself to someone thought, I would say Mike Alstott on Tampa Bay or Rob Konrad on Oakland.
backrow said:Running Back/Fullback 225 pound Bench Press reps:
1. Brian Leonard ~ Rutgers - 28
i guess losing his weight didn't make him lose ANY strength! good job Brian!
White Shogun said:backrow said:Running Back/Fullback 225 pound Bench Press reps:
1. Brian Leonard ~ Rutgers - 28
i guess losing his weight didn't make him lose ANY strength! good job Brian!
Where does that place him among the backs who participated in this event?
White Shogun said:backrow said:Running Back/Fullback 225 pound Bench Press reps:
1. Brian Leonard ~ Rutgers - 28
i guess losing his weight didn't make him lose ANY strength! good job Brian!
Where does that place him among the backs who participated in this event?
backrow said:White Shogun said:backrow said:Running Back/Fullback 225 pound Bench Press reps:
1. Brian Leonard ~ Rutgers - 28
i guess losing his weight didn't make him lose ANY strength! good job Brian!
Where does that place him among the backs who participated in this event?
WS this "1." next to his name should give you an idea