2024 NFL Week 17

[Don Wassall]

I get the frustration, I have it too. Which is why I keep pointing out that reacting in this way is counter-productive and hurts Caste Football. We'd all like to see things be much fairer for White athletes, which is why if anyone disagrees with me I want concrete explanations of what their strategy and expected endgame is, along with how it will help CF.

 

[Freethinker]

Not a refutation of the argument Don is making but I have to pushback against the defense of Penix. Penix may have made some good throws, and perhaps some were even clutch, but overall he has not been good this season. His QB rating is 73.2 which is 5th worst in the entire NFL for qualifying players.

I think we all realized that Cousins was a bridge starter due to his age. However, he was the top FA QB who was sought after and has earned respect by being a very good QB for over a decade. Yes, he struggled before his benching but he should have earned the full season to try to get the team to the playoffs. After all, isn’t that what they signed him to do? Maybe they thought Penix gave them the better opportunity to win but his stats say otherwise. The Giants rolled over and the Commanders, while good with pass yards allowed are not so great when it comes to passing TDs given up. I think what many CFers have said, and I agree, is that Cousins could have done better in those two games. He needed a “get right game” that the Giants “defense” would have given, but that is why the Falcons anti-White “brain trust” put Penix in that spot. This is a great example of the agenda to push black QBs. There would be howls from the media if hypothetically Cousins were black and Penix White.

 

[jimmyjerapolo]

Cousins was terrible his last few games, that's undeniable. Penix played better in his second start than Bo Nix played in his first several games. It's absurd to make sweeping judgments about rookie QBs after one or two starts.

Time will tell with Daniels but he's had an excellent rookie season. That's also undeniable.

You only post here because you're obsessed with Black quarterbacks. Every post you've made in this thread has been criticism of Black QBs. Not a single one has been to mention something positive about any White players, and there were a lot of positive things that happened today.

I'll say on the record that I'm fed up with BQDS. Trump Derangement Syndrome was decisively repudiated in November, and BQDS is being repudiated on Caste Football. No one's ever explained to me the strategy or endgame behind relentlessly attacking every single black quarterback. I've read that it's some kind of "pushback" or "crusade" but never once has anyone said what it's supposed to accomplish. Is it supposed to cause the NFL to decide to have 32 White starting QBs? And no one's ever attempted to explain how it will benefit Caste Football. In my opinion it's harmed 20 years of work and effort to make CF a serious site and makes us look ridiculous and less than credible.

I don't think there is any strategy, just a mindset of some posters that believes all Black QBs are no good *******. The black QB agenda has advanced the same way it has at every other position. If I believed the proper response was to just say that all Black RBs are no good, all Black WRs have no talent, all Black defensive players suck, etc., I would have never started Caste Football. We start with acknowledging that Blacks make good athletes and then go from there and explain and analyze the Caste System, the role the media plays, and how and why it's unfair to so many White athletes using direct and indirect evidence and commentary. A blanket condemnation of all Black quarterbacks is, to put it as nicely as I can, not a serious response and is not welcome here. I'm hopeful that we can make some significant strides under Trump 47, but not if we come across as mindless haters of blacks, especially black QBs.

And if anyone disagrees, start by answering what the strategy and desired endgame is of condemning all Black QBs, and how it benefits Caste Football.

I understand your post is about the way I approach the "black QB issue" more broadly, but I just want to point out that I'm not trying to pass judgement on Penix's potential as a QB in the future. I'm just saying that this stage he is not an upgrade over Cousins who, despite a bad 4 game stretch, has played well at times this season and has playoff experience. If the Falcons were interested in making a run this year, they would ride it out with the veteran and not Penix. On Daniels, I'm commenting on his style of play. Much like RG3 and Kyler, he has been effective as a rookie. But I've seen this movie before, so I remain skeptical.

Onto the larger point (and I understand you're probably close to booting me given the "restrictions" I've had recently) - I would agree that creating an echo chamber on CF of bashing black QBs is not the ideal strategy. But when you go outside of this forum, what you see is essentially the inverse of that - a 24/7/365 glaze session for virtually every black QB coming up the pipeline from high school to the draft and even guys like Rattler and Richardson who have shown nothing. To be fair, there are a handful of whites who get the same treatment, some even prematurely (Trevor Lawerence comes to mind, although things have turned a bit), but it is increasingly reserved for black QBs. I can no longer take the mainstream assessment of this position seriously when Anthony Richardson goes top 5 and now Milroe is being discussed at an early 1st round pick. Shadeur is also a media hype job, although that's just as much nepotism as it is race. And this is not reserved for legacy media/ESPN types - these narratives trickle down to the average fans, who lap it up without much question.

But yes, I have probably delved into meaningless black quarterback-bashing a few too many times. I'll concede that. But I do believe that as long as the criticisms are constructive or at least make some sort of cogent point - for example, this post and this post - it is productive, because the pro-black QB narrative goes largely unquestioned outside of here.

 

[Leonardfan]

For me the black QB push is just insulting to my intelligence. I've tried my best to tone it down here on this site. I'll admit Jayden Daniels has had a good rookie season for sure. I watched most of the game and all I could really think of is that his skinny frame won't hold up very long to these hits he is taking and once that mobility is gone the cycle will continue. Penix was very average and is not that accurate. Just remember how he was hyped during the draft yet Nix was relentlessly mocked. It's also funny how Falcons LB JD Bertrand played very well last night with no fanfare or notoriety.

My frustration is just more at the whole football industry if you will. The whole sport has been changed to cater to black QBs. Rule changes allowing the same offense to be run across the whole league with no nuance. Urban Meyer/Rich Rodriquez implement the spread offense in college and the NFL decides to manipulate and change rules for this offense to succeed in the NFL. The modifications made to the rules have allowed high school offenses to take off in the NFL. On the field the product suffers despite all of these magical black qbs "revolutionizing" the position.

I suppose I have had "Black Quarterback Derangement Syndrome" since I was a teenager and Mike Vick was being pushed as the most amazing player ever at the QB position. I do think Vick would have thrived in the current NFL environment which allows for deficiencies in passing to be masked by easy throws. I do not think Jackson or Daniels would have had the same impact in the league 20 years ago. On top of that the years of questionable officiating around the Chiefs sudden rise to the top with their black QB also seems a bit manufactured but I will stop there on that one.

I have followed every draft cycle since 2004 and when it comes to black QBs the same script is always followed so I suppose at this point I am just over it. The black quarterback push went into overdrive with Trey Lance one of the worst picks in draft history and was followed by the historical 2023 draft with three black QBs in the top 4 picks. All I can say is that is not working out very well in year two. We just saw Browns fans willingly root for a team that trotted out a sexual predator with the dumbest contract in NFL history, Jameis Winston who the fans loved because he was "exciting" win or loss and one of the worst QBs in recent memory Dorian Thompson-Robinson. Despite all that a large number of idiotic White fans will continue cheering for "their" team.

Black QBs like every other position get treated with kid gloves. Monumental busts are not acknowledged and every excuse is handed to them. They are magical and never the problem. The "great black hope" syndrome has been instilled into generations of DWFs and they view sports in a different way then we do here. These are the idiots they somehow believe the lie that they "don't see color".

I personally don't have any solutions as the whole manufactured push is controlled by the NFL, Blesto, GMs, scouts, college coaches, high school coaches. I just typically don't watch games with black QBs playing against each other, direct my energy calling out those responsible on social media and posting to try and raise awareness.

Also, I am not trying to make this an argumentative post but trying to provide my viewpoint.

 

[Don Wassall]

Not a refutation of the argument Don is making but I have to pushback against the defense of Penix. Penix may have made some good throws, and perhaps some were even clutch, but overall he has not been good this season. His QB rating is 73.2 which is 5th worst in the entire NFL for qualifying players.

I think we all realized that Cousins was a bridge starter due to his age. However, he was the top FA QB who was sought after and has earned respect by being a very good QB for over a decade. Yes, he struggled before his benching but he should have earned the full season to try to get the team to the playoffs. After all, isn’t that what they signed him to do? Maybe they thought Penix gave them the better opportunity to win but his stats say otherwise. The Giants rolled over and the Commanders, while good with pass yards allowed are not so great when it comes to passing TDs given up. I think what many CFers have said, and I agree, is that Cousins could have done better in those two games. He needed a “get right game” that the Giants “defense” would have given, but that is why the Falcons anti-White “brain trust” put Penix in that spot. This is a great example of the agenda to push black QBs. There would be howls from the media if hypothetically Cousins were black and Penix White.

Regarding Cousins, maybe he should have kept starting, maybe not, but that was a coaching decision. If you want to make it purely a racial thing that's fine but I don't see it that way. They drafted Penix in the first round for better or worse. NFL teams often have to deal with the dynamic of when to replace a fading veteran with a highly drafted young player. Bridge starters sometimes come through the way their team hopes and sometimes they don't. Even though Atlanta is technically in playoff contention, nobody considers them a Super Bowl contender this season with either Cousins or Penix at the helm.

As far as Penix, it was quite recently that you agreed with me that quarterbacks, all quarterbacks including Black ones, shouldn't be judged very quickly as rookies. Penix's QB rating is 73.2 after two starts -- Box Nix's QB rating in his first two starts this season was 47.5 and 55.2. Should we have been condemning him at that point as a bust? And here's Cousins' QB rating for his last five starts -- 75.1, 68.9, 40.0, 70.1, and 78.6. If you think Penix has been bad, how do you describe Cousins' performance which led to his benching? That's hardly what the team signed him for. And if the racial dynamics had been reversed, I imagine everyone here would have been emphatically calling for the young White QB to replace the fading Black one.

 

[Don Wassall]

I understand your post is about the way I approach the "black QB issue" more broadly, but I just want to point out that I'm not trying to pass judgement on Penix's potential as a QB in the future. I'm just saying that this stage he is not an upgrade over Cousins who, despite a bad 4 game stretch, has played well at times this season and has playoff experience. If the Falcons were interested in making a run this year, they would ride it out with the veteran and not Penix. On Daniels, I'm commenting on his style of play. Much like RG3 and Kyler, he has been effective as a rookie. But I've seen this movie before, so I remain skeptical.

Onto the larger point (and I understand you're probably close to booting me given the "restrictions" I've had recently) - I would agree that creating an echo chamber on CF of bashing black QBs is not the ideal strategy. But when you go outside of this forum, what you see is essentially the inverse of that - a 24/7/365 glaze session for virtually every black QB coming up the pipeline from high school to the draft and even guys like Rattler and Richardson who have shown nothing. To be fair, there are a handful of whites who get the same treatment, some even prematurely (Trevor Lawerence comes to mind, although things have turned a bit), but it is increasingly reserved for black QBs. I can no longer take the mainstream assessment of this position seriously when Anthony Richardson goes top 5 and now Milroe is being discussed at an early 1st round pick. Shadeur is also a media hype job, although that's just as much nepotism as it is race. And this is not reserved for legacy media/ESPN types - these narratives trickle down to the average fans, who lap it up without much question.

But yes, I have probably delved into meaningless black quarterback-bashing a few too many times. I'll concede that. But I do believe that as long as the criticisms are constructive or at least make some sort of cogent point - for example, this post and this post - it is productive, because the pro-black QB narrative goes largely unquestioned outside of here.

Go back and read the last paragraph of post #172. You didn't do what I asked and so until you do this will be your last post on this subject.

I'll just quote this: I would agree that creating an echo chamber on CF of bashing black QBs is not the ideal strategy. But when you go outside of this forum, what you see is essentially the inverse of that - a 24/7/365 glaze session for virtually every black QB coming up the pipeline from high school to the draft and even guys like Rattler and Richardson who have shown nothing.

In other words, you agree with me but you want to engage in Black QB bashing anyway because elsewhere Black QBs are glorified. And my response, again, is this is what they do with Blacks at every position and in every other realm in society. But you want us to be the equivalent of black supremacist sites, because when it comes to quarterbacks everything we've done in the past 20 years goes out the window. Again, explain how this strategy is supposed to reduce the number of Black quarterbacks, and how it's supposed to help Caste Football. You didn't, because you can't, but you don't care, do you.

 

[Gator Dad]

Not a refutation of the argument Don is making but I have to pushback against the defense of Penix. Penix may have made some good throws, and perhaps some were even clutch, but overall he has not been good this season. His QB rating is 73.2 which is 5th worst in the entire NFL for qualifying players.

I think we all realized that Cousins was a bridge starter due to his age. However, he was the top FA QB who was sought after and has earned respect by being a very good QB for over a decade. Yes, he struggled before his benching but he should have earned the full season to try to get the team to the playoffs. After all, isn’t that what they signed him to do? Maybe they thought Penix gave them the better opportunity to win but his stats say otherwise. The Giants rolled over and the Commanders, while good with pass yards allowed are not so great when it comes to passing TDs given up. I think what many CFers have said, and I agree, is that Cousins could have done better in those two games. He needed a “get right game” that the Giants “defense” would have given, but that is why the Falcons anti-White “brain trust” put Penix in that spot. This is a great example of the agenda to push black QBs. There would be howls from the media if hypothetically Cousins were black and Penix White.

Great post. Cousins absolutely should have been given the chance to start against the Giants. IF he failed against their awful defense, THEN go ahead and bench him. But he was never given that chance, and I think that's what sparked a lot of emotion from Caste Footballers - anger at the unfair treatment Cousins received, not any desire to hate on Penix.

As for Bo Nix vs. Jayden Daniels, if I were drafting a fantasy football team, I'd pick Daniels because he'd get me more points, what with rushing TDs being worth more than passing TDs and all. But if I were an actual NFL GM looking for a long-term solution at QB, I'd draft Nix. A large part of Daniels' rookie success has come from his running ability, and that's not going to go on forever. Daniels rushed 16 times in last night's game. That's not sustainable over an NFL career.

Unless they're an Andrew Luck type, I generally believe it's best that rookie QBs sit and learn from a veteran their first season. Bo Nix was thrown into the fire right away, and Denver's supporting cast is pretty weak. Not as bad as some other teams, but Nix has no Brock Bowers/Trey McBride type security blanket. He struggled in his first few games, and credit to the Broncos' management for not panicking and pulling the plug, too many people want instant gratification these days. They let Nix keep fighting and he got better pretty damn fast.

I think Bo Nix will have a successful NFL career. If I'm wrong, I'll be man enough to admit it. As for Jayden Daniels, only time will tell if he'll put up big numbers long-term like Lamar Jackson or flame out like Robert Griffin, but I believe the latter is far more likely. Again, if I'm wrong, I'll eat crow.

 

[Don Wassall]

For me the black QB push is just insulting to my intelligence. I've tried my best to tone it down here on this site. I'll admit Jayden Daniels has had a good rookie season for sure. I watched most of the game and all I could really think of is that his skinny frame won't hold up very long to these hits he is taking and once that mobility is gone the cycle will continue. Penix was very average and is not that accurate. Just remember how he was hyped during the draft yet Nix was relentlessly mocked. It's also funny how Falcons LB JD Bertrand played very well last night with no fanfare or notoriety.

My frustration is just more at the whole football industry if you will. The whole sport has been changed to cater to black QBs. Rule changes allowing the same offense to be run across the whole league with no nuance. Urban Meyer/Rich Rodriquez implement the spread offense in college and the NFL decides to manipulate and change rules for this offense to succeed in the NFL. The modifications made to the rules have allowed high school offenses to take off in the NFL. On the field the product suffers despite all of these magical black qbs "revolutionizing" the position.

I suppose I have had "Black Quarterback Derangement Syndrome" since I was a teenager and Mike Vick was being pushed as the most amazing player ever at the QB position. I do think Vick would have thrived in the current NFL environment which allows for deficiencies in passing to be masked by easy throws. I do not think Jackson or Daniels would have had the same impact in the league 20 years ago. On top of that the years of questionable officiating around the Chiefs sudden rise to the top with their black QB also seems a bit manufactured but I will stop there on that one.

I have followed every draft cycle since 2004 and when it comes to black QBs the same script is always followed so I suppose at this point I am just over it. The black quarterback push went into overdrive with Trey Lance one of the worst picks in draft history and was followed by the historical 2023 draft with three black QBs in the top 4 picks. All I can say is that is not working out very well in year two. We just saw Browns fans willingly root for a team that trotted out a sexual predator with the dumbest contract in NFL history, Jameis Winston who the fans loved because he was "exciting" win or loss and one of the worst QBs in recent memory Dorian Thompson-Robinson. Despite all that a large number of idiotic White fans will continue cheering for "their" team.

Black QBs like every other position get treated with kid gloves. Monumental busts are not acknowledged and every excuse is handed to them. They are magical and never the problem. The "great black hope" syndrome has been instilled into generations of DWFs and they view sports in a different way then we do here. These are the idiots they somehow believe the lie that they "don't see color".

I personally don't have any solutions as the whole manufactured push is controlled by the NFL, Blesto, GMs, scouts, college coaches, high school coaches. I just typically don't watch games with black QBs playing against each other, direct my energy calling out those responsible on social media and posting to try and raise awareness.

Also, I am not trying to make this an argumentative post but trying to provide my viewpoint.

As with "jimmy" you ignored the last paragraph of post #172 so I don't take your post seriously.

Living in Pittsburgh, I witnessed The Great Kordell Stewart Experiment up close. Stewart was coddled, by the media and especially by Bill Cowher. He was the starter for seven years even though he clearly wasn't very good. That was almost 30 years ago. See, there's nothing new going on. You and Jimmy aren't plowing new ground by pointing out the obvious. The often ridiculous Kordell Stewart didn't cause me to hate all Black quarterbacks, what it did was motivate me to learn even more about the Caste System and eventually I started this site to spread awareness of its existence, not to mindlessly bash Blacks for trying to take over a "White" position. I don't blame them for doing what anyone would do under the same circumstances.

This is just your standard litany of complaints, justifying what I believe is a counterproductive approach to quarterback. As best I can tell, you believe that if you relentlessly criticize every Black QB, the NFL will take notice and will replace all Black QBs with White ones, right? Actually, as with "jimmy" you don't have a strategy, just an intense dislike of all black QBs and your main interest is in letting everyone know it at every opportunity.

You've often written about how much you've learned here about the Caste System and way things actually work, but when it comes to QBs your response is to blame the black quarterbacks themselves, to hate on them rather than the system that produces them. That's the root reason why BQDS is counter-productive, to your "crusade" and to Caste Football.

 

[wile]

In one of Harold Covington's quartet of the NW books one passage was about when things got rolling and actual meetings could take place many people would just stand up and scream "n*****r" over and over and it was described as a mental health release, this IMO is what BQDS is. The CS and black QBs are part psyop and part actual talent for the job. It's a sh*t test gents and the howling only entertains them. FTR I find it amusing that the cucks spew their nonsense and if I were there I would ask them if they believe that and if so prove it.

Off topic, what is a conservative? An earnest generally honest person that spends his or her life trying to prove to a liar that they are in fact lying to the conservative. They're liars folks have fun with them.

Back to football I hope I can see the Packers on TV this week and that they drub the Bears.

 

[jimmyjerapolo]

Go back and read the last paragraph of post #172. You didn't do what I asked and so until you do this will be your last post on this subject.

To answer this directly - I don't agree with the premise of the question. I'm not arguing for the efficacy of condemning all black QBs, nor do I think it has an endgame or benefits this site. What I do think is that when faced with a non-stop onslaught of black QB propaganda, it is productive to deconstruct that and offer reasonable counterpoints because virtually no one is willing to platform the subject outside of CF. I've conceded that some of my posts may not do that, but most I believe do. What I would say is that everything should be considered on a post-by-post basis - yes, this is clearly my "pet issue" (although I've posted on many other topics), it's no big secret, but if I'm making cogent arguments, is that not in line with the purpose of this site? Is it not reasonable to, for example, compare the media narrative of Penix with his actual numbers? Or discuss how Jordan Love's salary is wildly out of line with his performance? Or discuss the inflated draft stock of black QBs in recent years? All of these things will involve criticizing black QBs, but with a broader point in mind.

Just because I don't affirmatively state that "Lamar Jackson is having a good season" does not mean I don't believe it is true. Generally, I contextualize criticism if warranted - for example, I called Jordan Love "serviceable" and "league average", which by most metrics (other than media perception) is fair and true. I didn't say "Lol jordan love sux, couldve signed darnold and baker for the same price". That would be counterproductive. If posts do, in fact, boil down to "condemning all Black QBs" with no broader purpose or factual basis, then yes, such practices should be condemned. If criticism is done in a reasonable and constructive way (even if such criticisms comprise the majority of my posts), I think it is productive. The "endgame" is not to directly effect change to the extent of reducing black QBs or increasing white QBs (I am just a random guy on the internet) but rather to offer some kind of dissent to the narrative pushed by MSM. As I'm sure you're aware, a lot of people have literally never thought about race in sports (unless it is, somehow, twisted into narrative of black victimhood i.e. Rooney Rule), so simply pointing out the fact that a black QB push exists at all and providing some evidence/examples could at least get a lurker thinking about it.

 

[Don Wassall]

To answer this directly - I don't agree with the premise of the question. I'm not arguing for the efficacy of condemning all black QBs, nor do I think it has an endgame or benefits this site. What I do think is that when faced with a non-stop onslaught of black QB propaganda, it is productive to deconstruct that and offer reasonable counterpoints because virtually no one is willing to platform the subject outside of CF. I've conceded that some of my posts may not do that, but most I believe do.

You don't offer "reasonable counterpoints" -- your posts are as predictable as the few canned responses a wind-up doll makes. That's why you have no credibility on the subject.

I make reasonable counterpoints -- I often criticize various Black QBs. So do a lot of other posters. Wile summarized what you're about in his first paragraph above.

And because I know you'll just go on and on ad infinitum because that's your m.o., this is your last post on this topic. You refused to answer my request on post #172 not because you "don't agree with the premise of the question" but because you can't answer it other than agreeing with me in a roundabout way. Are you an attorney? Because you're good at writing a bunch of boilerplate language that means little to nothing.

 

[Gator Dad]

I think almost everyone on Caste Football has been fair to black QBs. Lamar Jackson has been mentioned as a legitimate candidate for MVP and I'd feel no outrage if he won (of course, I still want a White player to win it and I won't apologize to any libtard or neo-con for wanting a White man to win). Pat Mahomes is acknowledged as a great QB (though he's having a rather mediocre season, of the 44 QBs with at least 100 pass attempts he's ranked 16th and his QBR is lower than the much-maligned Brock Purdy and Derek Carr).

These are the top 7 and bottom 7 QB ratings so far this season for players with at least 100 pass attempts:

Lamar Jackson 121.6
Jared Goff 112.2
Joe Burrow 109.8
Baker Mayfield 107.6
Sam Darnold 106.4
Jalen Hurts 103.7
Josh Allen 101.4

Dorian Thompson-Robinson 38.6
Anthony Richardson 61.6
Spencer Rattler 67.0
Jacoby Brissett 74.2
Drew Lock 74.3
Bryce Young 78.2
Deshaun Watson 79.0

There's a trend on these lists that speaks for itself. Yet all the "mainstream" sports media outlets are telling us that the top 3 QBs in next year's draft have something in common with six of the seven on the "worst" list and only two of the seven on the "best" list, but if anyone questions that or says it doesn't make any sense, they get canceled by the woke lynch mob. I think this is where a lot of the anger and frustration are coming from, along with the extremely rapid and artificial blackening of the QB position that's already happened, much like how society went very quickly from gay marriage being illegal to child trannifying being worshipped. From what I've seen, I also believe that the vast majority of posters are directing that anger at the right places (the globalist overlords at the top of society, the corrupt "scouting" services, the controlled media, etc.)

(I left Penix - and Desmond Ridder - off the list in the name of fairness because they haven't attempted enough passes, but anyone can look up their stats and see where they would go).

 

[Leonardfan]

As with "jimmy" you ignored the last paragraph of post #172 so I don't take your post seriously.

Living in Pittsburgh, I witnessed The Great Kordell Stewart Experiment up close. Stewart was coddled, by the media and especially by Bill Cowher. He was the starter for seven years even though he clearly wasn't very good. That was almost 30 years ago. See, there's nothing new going on. You and Jimmy aren't plowing new ground by pointing out the obvious. The often ridiculous Kordell Stewart didn't cause me to hate all Black quarterbacks, what it did was motivate me to learn even more about the Caste System and eventually I started this site to spread awareness of its existence, not to mindlessly bash Blacks for trying to take over a "White" position. I don't blame them for doing what anyone would do under the same circumstances.

This is just your standard litany of complaints, justifying what I believe is a counterproductive approach to quarterback. As best I can tell, you believe that if you relentlessly criticize every Black QB, the NFL will take notice and will replace all Black QBs with White ones, right? Actually, as with "jimmy" you don't have a strategy, just an intense dislike of all black QBs and your main interest is in letting everyone know it at every opportunity.

You've often written about how much you've learned here about the Caste System and way things actually work, but when it comes to QBs your response is to blame the black quarterbacks themselves, to hate on them rather than the system that produces them. That's the root reason why BQDS is counter-productive, to your "crusade" and to Caste Football.

I actually stated who is to blame in my response. If anything you are just alienating contributors to this website with worthwhile viewpoints. And frankly black players at every other position spoken about here in a similar manner as black QBs - we even have a "Sumo" thread so you are inconsistent with your policing of the site as it applies to different positions.

 

[Don Wassall]

There's a trend on these lists that speaks for itself. Yet all the "mainstream" sports media outlets are telling us that the top 3 QBs in next year's draft have something in common with six of the seven on the "worst" list and only two of the seven on the "best" list, but if anyone questions that or says it doesn't make any sense, they get canceled by the woke lynch mob. I think this is where a lot of the anger and frustration are coming from, along with the extremely rapid and artificial blackening of the QB position that's already happened, much like how society went very quickly from gay marriage being illegal to child trannifying being worshipped. From what I've seen, I also believe that the vast majority of posters are directing that anger at the right places (the globalist overlords at the top of society, the corrupt "scouting" services, the controlled media, etc.)

Again, you're not plowing any new ground here. Black QBs coming out of college will always be hyped more than many White ones. It's true at every other position, is it not? Yes, we're all aware of globalism and all the current ills afflicting us.

Our response to our frustration heretofore has always been by making comparisons and citing various data and anecdotes. This old article by Jimmy Chitwood is an excellent example: https://castefootball.us/threads/he...ifference-is-apparently-only-skin-deep.15156/. The greatness of this site comes from the work so many posters have done in looking up the attributes and accomplishments of White athletes and comparing them to various Black athletes to point out what we believe is a long-standing discrimination against Whites that we back up over and over again. And also pointing out negative stereotyping by the media and how it has enabled the Caste System.

It never ceases to amaze me the way some posters react to Black quarterbacks. Have they not turned on a television set recently or watched a movie? They react to every Black QB as if they're living in Birmingham in 1962 and Bear Bryant has just announced that a Black will be his starting QB for the upcoming season.

And it seems to be mostly younger posters who react this way, the ones who denounce Boomers for supposedly being out of touch. This is America 2.0. It is a multi-racial, multi-cultural society, irreversibly so. The media presents America 2.0 as a Black majority country. We've had an endless array of Black presidents, Supreme Court justices, Congressmen, mayors, police chiefs, doctors, lawyers, announcers, coaches, GMs, you name it. Yet we're still supposed to react with horror to all Black QBs as if we're living in a long gone America. It's immature and irrational and I've never understood it other than the way Wile describes it.

Caste Football has established a methodology of exposing and combatting the Caste System. There's no exception carved out for quarterbacks, ain't gonna happen on my watch.

 

[Don Wassall]

I actually stated who is to blame in my response. If anything you are just alienating contributors to this website with worthwhile viewpoints. And frankly black players at every other position spoken about here in a similar manner as black QBs - we even have a "Sumo" thread so you are inconsistent with your policing of the site as it applies to different positions.

I mentioned the "sumo" thing and my view on it above. Did you read it?

Actually I've been very consistent with my "policing" from the beginning. We root for White athletes and make the case for them as best we can. One of the posting guidelines (that's been on the site, unchanged, since 2005) is, "An honest dialogue about sports and race by definition will include negative observations about an individual or race, but if your objective is simply to attack a group of people go elsewhere."

I of course don't want you to go elsewhere because you're great and invaluable in a lot of areas, which is why I try to stay patient about your "crusade," but you want me to make an exception for Black QBs, and I won't, in large part because that's a counterproductive way to go about it.

Hey I find the sumo thing humorous and I enjoy funny posts and sarcasm as much as anyone else and try to engage in it myself. But there's no humor in your obsession with Black QBs. The quarterback position is important but it also needs to be incorporated into the bigger picture in the same logical way we've treated everything else, no exception. If you could lighten up on the subject it would be helpful, but it doesn't matter to me, I'm going to "police" the way I think is best. And I've never had any conflict or problems with the vast majority of posters. But like Bigunreal used to do, you continue to push something that I believe is counterproductive to CF and to the larger objective of increasing knowledge of and effectively combating the Caste System. It's not personal and I wish it wasn't a continuing issue, but ritually dismissing all Black QBs as no good in the face of irrefutable evidence that some have been very successful is never going to accomplish anything. So I will continue to push back against your pushback.

 

[Freethinker]

Regarding Cousins, maybe he should have kept starting, maybe not, but that was a coaching decision. If you want to make it purely a racial thing that's fine but I don't see it that way. They drafted Penix in the first round for better or worse. NFL teams often have to deal with the dynamic of when to replace a fading veteran with a highly drafted young player. Bridge starters sometimes come through the way their team hopes and sometimes they don't. Even though Atlanta is technically in playoff contention, nobody considers them a Super Bowl contender this season with either Cousins or Penix at the helm.

As far as Penix, it was quite recently that you agreed with me that quarterbacks, all quarterbacks including Black ones, shouldn't be judged very quickly as rookies. Penix's QB rating is 73.2 after two starts -- Box Nix's QB rating in his first two starts this season was 47.5 and 55.2. Should we have been condemning him at that point as a bust? And here's Cousins' QB rating for his last five starts -- 75.1, 68.9, 40.0, 70.1, and 78.6. If you think Penix has been bad, how do you describe Cousins' performance which led to his benching? That's hardly what the team signed him for. And if the racial dynamics had been reversed, I imagine everyone here would have been emphatically calling for the young White QB to replace the fading Black one.

You are right that this is a decision made by the coach or upper management. It could be argued both ways, as we have.

I do agree that rookies should be given more time to be evaluated. I bring up Penix’s struggles to show that he’s not been an improvement over Cousins, who had an awful 4 games, but a long track record of success. If the Falcons, were out of playoff contention, then I’d agree to play the 1st round pick. Penix could be good, bad or average in the future and I’m not making that call now. However, they are fighting for a playoff spot and that should be the goal whether they are “Super Bowl” contenders or not. When the Giants won their 2 SBs over the last 20 years, they were not considered contenders either but you get in and see if you can get hot. I guess where I disagree with the Falcons (and them me) is that Cousins gives them a better shot of winning.

And I also do believe that there is a racial angle, one that began way back when Penix was selected. The Jewish-negro owner and black HC clearly wanted the black QB. So Cousins was undermined from day 1. Again, reverse the races. If the top veteran FA of the off-season (the crown jewel) was black and signed with a team and they immediately drafted a White QB high instead of offensive or defensive help to “win now” what would the reaction be?

The Falcons gave Cousins a lot of money to go to Atlanta and that should have ensured he get at least 1 full season or more to turn the team into a winner. I guess we see this situation quite differently.

 

[El Gringo]

Great arguments here guys! I think it is fairly obvious that the powers that be want the “most important position in all of sports” to be non white. Rules have been changed to put this into place. I wish I could find the podcast with Trey Wingo and Steve young. Steve mentioned talking to Brady and I think their careers may have overlapped or at least we’re close to it and Tom said how how much easier it was to play quarterback in the modern era. I mean it’s a fact that the white man’s IQ is at least 10 points higher than Blacks. To argue there isnt a concentrated effort to elevate black quarterbacks when they’re being overly represented in everything from politics, law enforcement etc is mind boggling to me.

 

[Don Wassall]

You are right that this is a decision made by the coach or upper management. It could be argued both ways, as we have.

I do agree that rookies should be given more time to be evaluated. I bring up Penix’s struggles to show that he’s not been an improvement over Cousins, who had an awful 4 games, but a long track record of success. If the Falcons, were out of playoff contention, then I’d agree to play the 1st round pick. Penix could be good, bad or average in the future and I’m not making that call now. However, they are fighting for a playoff spot and that should be the goal whether they are “Super Bowl” contenders or not. When the Giants won their 2 SBs over the last 20 years, they were not considered contenders either but you get in and see if you can get hot. I guess where I disagree with the Falcons (and them me) is that Cousins gives them a better shot of winning.

And I also do believe that there is a racial angle, one that began way back when Penix was selected. The Jewish-negro owner and black HC clearly wanted the black QB. So Cousins was undermined from day 1. Again, reverse the races. If the top veteran FA of the off-season (the crown jewel) was black and signed with a team and they immediately drafted a White QB high instead of offensive or defensive help to “win now” what would the reaction be?

The Falcons gave Cousins a lot of money to go to Atlanta and that should have ensured he get at least 1 full season or more to turn the team into a winner. I guess we see this situation quite differently.

I don't think we disagree that much at all on this, other than if my starting QB was as bad down the stretch as Cousins was, I certainly would seriously consider starting my first round draft pick. The races of the two is irrelevant. To the extent there is a racial angle, I agree it was initiated when Penix was unexpectedly drafted and I alluded to that when I wrote, "They drafted Penix in the first round for better or worse."

The die was cast then. Cousins stumbled badly, he's had a few good games including a 500 yard one, but during the playoff drive he was awful. Did you watch any of those games? I did because Kirk pretty much single-handedly knocked one of my fantasy teams out of the playoffs. I know it's fantasy and a lot of people dismiss it as a juvenile pursuit and maybe it is, but one reason I play fantasy is that it's a great way to stay on top of the players, and I think most teams would have made the same move as the Falcons did under the same circumstances.

Anyway, this is a minor disagreement relative to the larger one being discussed. We view things from a racially aware perspective which is still rare for White people. What I don't agree with is the perspective that dismissing all Black QBs out of hand accomplishes anything besides making it easy for open-minded people to dismiss us and all the effort made here over the past 20 years to be taken seriously. It's reflective of BQDS and nothing written so far has made a good argument that it isn't.

 

[Bucky]

Yeah QB will get less White as America does. Being fair about it still doesn’t do anything for me though. Fairness used to be a virtue, now one of White Mans many downfalls.

 

[Don Wassall]

Yeah QB will get less White as America does. Being fair about it still doesn’t do anything for me though. Fairness used to be a virtue, now one of White Mans many downfalls.

To me it's a matter of what's most effective. I don't for a second think that our adversaries will ever be "fair."

 

[Warhawk_46]

Not a refutation of the argument Don is making but I have to pushback against the defense of Penix. Penix may have made some good throws, and perhaps some were even clutch, but overall he has not been good this season. His QB rating is 73.2 which is 5th worst in the entire NFL for qualifying players.

I think we all realized that Cousins was a bridge starter due to his age. However, he was the top FA QB who was sought after and has earned respect by being a very good QB for over a decade. Yes, he struggled before his benching but he should have earned the full season to try to get the team to the playoffs. After all, isn’t that what they signed him to do? Maybe they thought Penix gave them the better opportunity to win but his stats say otherwise. The Giants rolled over and the Commanders, while good with pass yards allowed are not so great when it comes to passing TDs given up. I think what many CFers have said, and I agree, is that Cousins could have done better in those two games. He needed a “get right game” that the Giants “defense” would have given, but that is why the Falcons anti-White “brain trust” put Penix in that spot. This is a great example of the agenda to push black QBs. There would be howls from the media if hypothetically Cousins were black and Penix White.

A very salient point. I do, however, sometimes believe we (and I am guilty as anyone of this) hold scouts, coaches and GM’s in too high a regard… sometimes they are just really, really dumb people.

That being said, everyone knows Penix is worse than Cousins. Kirk was leaving after this season anyways because he was blindsided by the decision to draft a QB in the first round. Another team will sign him and he will play well next year.

 

[Gator Dad]

49ers look to have a 4/5 White OL tonight, double their usual. In addition to regular starters C Jake Brendel and RT Colton McKivitz, LT Charlie Heck and LG Nick Zakelj are filling in for the injured sumo starters.

 

[Snow Plow]

Pearsall TD catch!

 

[Don Wassall]

TD Pearsall!

One of the big disappointments for me this season is Shanahan's refusal to use Juice as a tailback. Given that their entire RB crew was injured it made perfect sense and provided a "cover" of sorts.

Bill Belichick before he became a certified "genius" had no qualms about letting Heath Evans run with the ball due to injuries. The 49ers have C-Mac of course but it shows that even the most relatively White friendly offense has strict limits as far as challenging unwritten Caste rules such as "Thou shall not use a White fullback as a tailback."

 

[Leonardfan]

Pearsall with a great catch