2023 NFL Draft

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Took a look at some 7 round mock drafts to get the total number of White athletes projected to be selected. Projections are making this look like the 2015 draft. Again there isn't much deviation and the "experts" only pick from the kosher list of White athletes on the script for 99% of the picks.

drafttek - 43
cbssports trapasso - 43
cbssports wilson - 43
NFL.com Chad Reuter - 48
Sportings News - 42
profootballnetwork - 38
walterfootball - 43
 

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If the Patriots don't get Jack Campbell at linebacker I'll be so angry lol, he will be immense at the next level we need him!

I know we love all our guys here but any favourites people want to see on their teams?!
 
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I'd like the nines get wr Jake Bobo in the late rounds. Wherever cmac goes I go. It would be nice if they got Riley Moss in the draft and safety John Torchio in free agency. Torchio Is vastly underrated and could be the n3xt J9hn Lynch.
 

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I think we all hope our team gets Riley Moss! As long he doesn't go somewhere he is buried on the chart and gets a chance!
 

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Bobo had a slow 40 yard dash of 4.99 but his build size and productivity should give him a shot! 49ers would be a good spot not a huge amount after Samuel and Aiyuk for him to beat out
 
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Bobo had a slow 40 yard dash of 4.99 but his build size and productivity should give him a shot! 49ers would be a good spot not a huge amount after Samuel and Aiyuk for him to beat out
I hate to say it, but 4.99 is a death knell for a WR. It's hard to believe he's actually that slow. We had benchwarmers in high school under 4.9.
 

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I'm just so angry that Air Force Running Back leads the NCAA in Rushing Yards yet there is nothing about any team interested in
drafting the kid! Imagine if a black rb led the nation and no nfl team drafted him. They would cry racism but when a white is
discriminated against it's fine in this anii white country and anti white world we live in.
 
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Im not worried about Bobo. Whites are always discriminated again as we all know. He would not have started for Duke and UCLA if he was not at least a 4.65 guy. Maybe he was injured or nervous. In my entire 31 years of caste football I've never heard of anyone at a skill position getting any playing time with almost a 5 flat 40. I think he at the worst will start on a practice squad. And I don't see him transitioning to tight end.
 

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I agree it's not a good time and it won't help his chances.
It looks like he performed his drills in terrible rainy conditions. Dumb move on his part but it does make sense bc there’s no way he’s that slow when you watch him play football. He needs to get with his S&C coach to run another time before the draft and get it out on social media otherwise he won’t get drafted.
After looking at Bobo I checked out the “top” wr prospects and it’s so obvious once you know what the agenda is. By any objective measure the 3 cone drill is more important than the 40 and Quentin Johnson ran a 7.35! That’s bottom 5% for wr yet is getting first round hype. He’ll no doubt find his name on our BUSTS list in a few years.
Also this website seems to have a good amount of combine numbers on all the prospects not just their 40 times.
 

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It looks like he performed his drills in terrible rainy conditions. Dumb move on his part but it does make sense bc there’s no way he’s that slow when you watch him play football. He needs to get with his S&C coach to run another time before the draft and get it out on social media otherwise he won’t get drafted.
After looking at Bobo I checked out the “top” wr prospects and it’s so obvious once you know what the agenda is. By any objective measure the 3 cone drill is more important than the 40 and Quentin Johnson ran a 7.35! That’s bottom 5% for wr yet is getting first round hype. He’ll no doubt find his name on our BUSTS list in a few years.
Also this website seems to have a good amount of combine numbers on all the prospects not just their 40 times.

That site certainly pushes the black qb agenda to absurd levels. In terms of White WRs with the best prospects of being selected - Charlies Jones, David Durden, Chase Cota and Maag all seem to have the best pre-draft process.

My hopes are fairly minimal - hit 55 White athletes drafted (not including specialists) which would be a decent win considering how black this draft is being forecasted, have the White athletes land in decent spots (White TEs don't all end up being safety blankets for black quarterbacks, White OL block for a White QB, the small number of defensive players end up on decent teams) and we see some black on black crime at the qb position. Teams with black qbs already on the roster get another black qb on the depth chart. Comically this might be the case for the Titans who are rumored to be shopping Tannehill and already gave up on the major hype job from 2022 - Malik Willis. What we don't want to see is black QBs being drafted behind quality entrenched White starters like Kirk Cousins, Jared Goff, Derek Carr, Jimmy G etc. Seeing a White QB get picked up by a team with a black starter wouldn't be terrible though - Jackson in Baltimore, Murray in Arizona, Ridder in Atlanta are all mid-tier at best quarterbacks so another Brock Purdy type storyline wouldn't be a bad thing - QBs like Holton Ahlers, Clayton Tune, Aidan O'Connell are all candidates for that type of role.

It would be great to see the Steelers end up getting the OT Skoronski in round 1 (Pay attention to Skoronski because he is getting the short arm treatment that only we here at CF pick up in terms of the racial aspect) and Riley Moss in round 3. Joe Burrow getting a top tier TE like Mayer, Kincaid, LaPorta. The Patriots actually having a White friendly draft to help reverse their decline and giving Mac Jones more OL help, a quality TE and maybe even a White defensive player. The Bills would be wise to draft White this year too and maybe even trade the low key malcontent Diggs, get another TE to pair with Knox and get another couple White OL for the O-line.
 

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I would hope Van Ness isn’t the only white on the defense he goes to. I would imagine Hutchinson and Rodriguez benefited from Cominsky and Anzalone. I don’t want Van Ness in Detroit because 5 regulars would be too many and get a lot of comments if they perform ( or are coached) poorly.
 

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Lol I remember the usual media suspects giving Zach Martin the short arm treatment and he’s only a first ballot HOF. Van Ness or Jack Campbell to the bills, bengals or 49ers would be great. I would love the balls by the lions to pick one of them and have 5 whites starting on defense tho!
 

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I can't wait to see which team drafts this guy, "the most athletic QB in NFL history":

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports an NFC pass game coordinator said Florida QB Anthony Richardson's accuracy is "scary."​

“The short accuracy is so scary. You’ve really got a project in him," the source told Breer. "And the accuracy, you can develop it, OK, but a guy who’s accurate is usually accurate coming out of high school and college, and he isn’t. Even Josh Allen, you look at him coming out of Wyoming, he had solid mechanics coming out, and he just had to tweak it. You watch it with this guy, and there are times when he fits it into tight windows, and maybe you can tap into that. But he’s a project. And the hit on it could be huge, because you don’t just find guys like this.” While Richardson struggled with short-area accuracy in Florida's basic passing scheme, he was excellent on longer throws. His "big-time deep throw" rate in college -- as measured by Pro Football Focus -- was in line with Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud, and better than Justin Herbert and Deshaun Watson. Richardson completed 42 percent of his attempts of more than 20 yards in 2022, the 21st highest rate among all FBS quarterbacks. Whichever team takes Richardson, the most athletic QB in NFL history, will certainly work tirelessly to clean up his shorter throws.
 

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I can't wait to see which team drafts this guy, "the most athletic QB in NFL history":

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports an NFC pass game coordinator said Florida QB Anthony Richardson's accuracy is "scary."​

“The short accuracy is so scary. You’ve really got a project in him," the source told Breer. "And the accuracy, you can develop it, OK, but a guy who’s accurate is usually accurate coming out of high school and college, and he isn’t. Even Josh Allen, you look at him coming out of Wyoming, he had solid mechanics coming out, and he just had to tweak it. You watch it with this guy, and there are times when he fits it into tight windows, and maybe you can tap into that. But he’s a project. And the hit on it could be huge, because you don’t just find guys like this.” While Richardson struggled with short-area accuracy in Florida's basic passing scheme, he was excellent on longer throws. His "big-time deep throw" rate in college -- as measured by Pro Football Focus -- was in line with Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud, and better than Justin Herbert and Deshaun Watson. Richardson completed 42 percent of his attempts of more than 20 yards in 2022, the 21st highest rate among all FBS quarterbacks. Whichever team takes Richardson, the most athletic QB in NFL history, will certainly work tirelessly to clean up his shorter throws.

This is almost the same script they were running on Malik Willis last year. The lack of basic cognitive ability, the lack any sort of long term memory, the blind faith and widespread devotion to “upside”, the elevated importance of melanin are all factors that lead to the caste system being allowed to repeat the same mistakes and dodge the issue at hand.
 
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I can't wait to see which team drafts this guy, "the most athletic QB in NFL history":

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports an NFC pass game coordinator said Florida QB Anthony Richardson's accuracy is "scary."​

“The short accuracy is so scary. You’ve really got a project in him," the source told Breer. "And the accuracy, you can develop it, OK, but a guy who’s accurate is usually accurate coming out of high school and college, and he isn’t. Even Josh Allen, you look at him coming out of Wyoming, he had solid mechanics coming out, and he just had to tweak it. You watch it with this guy, and there are times when he fits it into tight windows, and maybe you can tap into that. But he’s a project. And the hit on it could be huge, because you don’t just find guys like this.” While Richardson struggled with short-area accuracy in Florida's basic passing scheme, he was excellent on longer throws. His "big-time deep throw" rate in college -- as measured by Pro Football Focus -- was in line with Bryce Young and C.J. Stroud, and better than Justin Herbert and Deshaun Watson. Richardson completed 42 percent of his attempts of more than 20 yards in 2022, the 21st highest rate among all FBS quarterbacks. Whichever team takes Richardson, the most athletic QB in NFL history, will certainly work tirelessly to clean up his shorter throws.
Despite the media's best attempts, including calling his pedestrian 79% S2 cognition score a "home run" (Young 98%, Haener 96%, Levis 93%, Jaren Hall 93%), it appears as though Richardson's draft stock is falling. Will Levis is actually considered the favorite to be the second QB taken in the draft, likely by the Colts. This comes as a result of Strouds atrocious 18% S2 score, which validates what anyone who has watched him play could've already told you. There are still enough QB needy teams that both Stroud and Richardson have a good chance to go top 12 though. Seattle, Atlanta, Tennessee, and Houston are all potential landing spots.

I think Levis has pretty high bust potential, but compared to Richardson he may as well be Andrew Luck as a prospect. If Richardson amounts to anything more than a gadget player or career backup to a Lamar Jackson type, I'd be pretty shocked. He would be, without exaggeration, the least polished passer to be taken in the first round for at least a decade, and possibly ever. He ranked 102nd in the country in completion percentage, 74th in pass rating, and 64th in yards. Calling Richardson a project QB is being generous - he's more like an athlete who happens to be capable of throwing the ball sometimes.
 

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Despite the media's best attempts, including calling his pedestrian 79% S2 cognition score a "home run" (Young 98%, Haener 96%, Levis 93%, Jaren Hall 93%), it appears as though Richardson's draft stock is falling. Will Levis is actually considered the favorite to be the second QB taken in the draft, likely by the Colts. This comes as a result of Strouds atrocious 18% S2 score, which validates what anyone who has watched him play could've already told you. There are still enough QB needy teams that both Stroud and Richardson have a good chance to go top 12 though. Seattle, Atlanta, Tennessee, and Houston are all potential landing spots.

I think Levis has pretty high bust potential, but compared to Richardson he may as well be Andrew Luck as a prospect. If Richardson amounts to anything more than a gadget player or career backup to a Lamar Jackson type, I'd be pretty shocked. He would be, without exaggeration, the least polished passer to be taken in the first round for at least a decade, and possibly ever. He ranked 102nd in the country in completion percentage, 74th in pass rating, and 64th in yards. Calling Richardson a project QB is being generous - he's more like an athlete who happens to be capable of throwing the ball sometimes.

The hype around this qb class is predictable for the obvious reason. As I stated above most fans, sports media and experts apply the same black hype to different players every year. The only QB I have read much of anything negative has been Will Levis. Go to social media or any draft comment board and a majority are attacking Levis while defending Stroud, treating Richardson as the biggest upside qb ever and essentially giving Bryce Young a pass. You can add Henson Hooker to the list of black qbs getting hype with no real criticism being sent his way.

I do think Levis has some concerns but idiotic criticism that he couldn’t beat out Sean Clifford gets thrown around a lot - Clifford was a very good college qb, Levis was a part time player at PSU and Clifford the entrenched starter. His first season at Kentucky was very good, he lost his coordinator to the NFL and in 2022 had been hampered by injuries. Talent wise, physically, athletically and mentally he is pretty elite as a prospect. Given the fact he didn’t get put into a system like Stroud or Young that allowed for success I give him the edge in terms of facing adversity. The fact Levis draft stock seems to be trending upward despite the barrage of hit pieces around him during the draft process is a welcome surprise and hopefully it ensures he will be a top 10 pick.

I enjoy your posts - always informative and well thought out. Hope you are around during the draft to add some instant analysis!
 
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Kentucky has really improved over the last few years but Ohio State and Alabama are loaded with talent every year which makes Bryce Young And Stroud a little more highly rated then they should be.
 

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The hype around this qb class is predictable for the obvious reason. As I stated above most fans, sports media and experts apply the same black hype to different players every year. The only QB I have read much of anything negative has been Will Levis. Go to social media or any draft comment board and a majority are attacking Levis while defending Stroud, treating Richardson as the biggest upside qb ever and essentially giving Bryce Young a pass. You can add Henson Hooker to the list of black qbs getting hype with no real criticism being sent his way.

I do think Levis has some concerns but idiotic criticism that he couldn’t beat out Sean Clifford gets thrown around a lot - Clifford was a very good college qb, Levis was a part time player at PSU and Clifford the entrenched starter. His first season at Kentucky was very good, he lost his coordinator to the NFL and in 2022 had been hampered by injuries. Talent wise, physically, athletically and mentally he is pretty elite as a prospect. Given the fact he didn’t get put into a system like Stroud or Young that allowed for success I give him the edge in terms of facing adversity. The fact Levis draft stock seems to be trending upward despite the barrage of hit pieces around him during the draft process is a welcome surprise and hopefully it ensures he will be a top 10 pick.
I can see the Colts drafting Levis. Even though Indy hasn't been "relatively White friendly" since Peyton Manning was there, they do seem to be an organization that prefers White QBs. After Andrew Luck's unexpected retirement they tried Rivers and Ryan, but both had grown a bit too long in the tooth. I still think Carson Wentz can be a starting QB, but admittedly he hasn't shown it enough on the field the past few years and when the Colts choked and missed a playoff spot two seasons ago, Wentz was the fall guy, deservedly or not. They did use Jacoby Brissett one year but he was always viewed as a "bridge" quarterback not a potential franchise one. So maybe the Colts will go for Levis, but then again Levis could fall a long way in the draft. I hope whoever the Colts use at QB this season can help in the development of Alec Pierce, who has star potential.
 

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I can see the Colts drafting Levis. Even though Indy hasn't been "relatively White friendly" since Peyton Manning was there, they do seem to be an organization that prefers White QBs. After Andrew Luck's unexpected retirement they tried Rivers and Ryan, but both had grown a bit too long in the tooth. I still think Carson Wentz can be a starting QB, but admittedly he hasn't shown it enough on the field the past few years and when the Colts choked and missed a playoff spot two seasons ago, Wentz was the fall guy, deservedly or not. They did use Jacoby Brissett one year but he was always viewed as a "bridge" quarterback not a potential franchise one. So maybe the Colts will go for Levis, but then again Levis could fall a long way in the draft. I hope whoever the Colts use at QB this season can help in the development of Alec Pierce, who has star potential.
The media viewed Brissett as the long term replacement for Luck when he retired. Brissett of course failed at that. I still remember Peter King stating he looked forward to 10 years of Deshaun Watson vs Brissett matchups - just goes to show what a moron he is. As a side note King is also all aboard in pushing the Skoronski has short arms and can't play tackle in the NFL narrative.

As far as the Colts - it could all be smoke screen with Levis and their GM has a track record of being very caste. Last year the Colts did surprise with their UDFA signings but I wouldn't be surprised if Ballard drafts some more blacks with african surnames like he seems to do every year. It was tough to see Matt Ryan last year - he just looked like he was done unfortunately. He had a very good career though. Irsay is also a bit of an oddball meddlesome owner who essentially blamed Wentz for the 2021 season and now we see Wentz on the outside looking in for a job.

Here's an unbiased fair analysis of Levis which aligns with how I feel about him as a prospect.




I hope this site comes back to life with the draft and we get some visits from missing posters too.
 
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The last guy labeled the "most athletic QB ever" was JaMarcus Russell. That worked out well.

I always felt bad for Matt Ryan - he consistently put up great offensive numbers in Atlanta but was stuck with horrible defenses year after year. Then he finally gets traded but it's too late, he's past his prime. It happens. Not every QB can be Tom Brady.
 

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Tragically, Levis lacks a room brightening smile:

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports some NFL teams left interviews with QB Will Levis "wondering about his personality."​

Those concerns, per Breer, could be enough for Levis to fall outside the first five picks in the NFL Draft on Thursday night. Breer believes the Colts will select Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud with the fourth overall pick, leaving Levis to fall to Houston at No. 12. Breer added Colts officials were not as put off by Levis' personality as other teams that sat down with him during the pre-draft process. The recent buzz around Levis going first overall to the Panthers has left many in the draft community perplexed. Either way, Levis will certainly be among the first three or four QBs off the board in the 2023 draft.
 

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Tragically, Levis lacks a room brightening smile:

Sports Illustrated's Albert Breer reports some NFL teams left interviews with QB Will Levis "wondering about his personality."​

Those concerns, per Breer, could be enough for Levis to fall outside the first five picks in the NFL Draft on Thursday night. Breer believes the Colts will select Ohio State QB C.J. Stroud with the fourth overall pick, leaving Levis to fall to Houston at No. 12. Breer added Colts officials were not as put off by Levis' personality as other teams that sat down with him during the pre-draft process. The recent buzz around Levis going first overall to the Panthers has left many in the draft community perplexed. Either way, Levis will certainly be among the first three or four QBs off the board in the 2023 draft.
What a load of rubbish, his personality never seemed to be an issue at college....take these stories with as much of a pinch of salt as the one saying that Levis is bookies favourite for 2nd overall. It's all to fill air time whilst waiting for the draft, I think the draft experts and nfl insiders don't have a clue what will happen lol.
 
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