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better than Larry Bird? i have to disagree there
Yeah I have a hard time saying he's better than Bird. But he's already close. He's proven he's the best player in the league hands down. But Bird did it for three straight years. He hasn't accomplished yet what Bird accomplished, that is true.
 

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First white led team to win the title since Nowitzki and the Mavs in 2011. This is indeed a great night for us. Jokic may already be the greatest white player ever.
Larry Bird is not only the greatest white player ever, but I would say he is firmly within the top 5 and maybe lower of any race.
 

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Larry Bird is not only the greatest white player ever, but I would say he is firmly within the top 5 and maybe lower of any race.
His resume isn't deep enough but if this team holds together and everybody stays humble(a hard task in the YoBA) he could give Larry Legend a run for his money.

I still maintain that Dirk with a deeper caste around him could have been viewed as the greatest White player ever if had won multiple championships.
 

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His resume isn't deep enough but if this team holds together and everybody stays humble(a hard task in the YoBA) he could give Larry Legend a run for his money.

I still maintain that Dirk with a deeper caste around him could have been viewed as the greatest White player ever if had won multiple championships.

I can make a strong argument for both Dirk Nowitzki and Nikola Jokic. That being said Larry Bird was great but he played on far more
talented teams. Bird led them to 5 nba champiionship appearences of which the Celtics won 3 of the 5.
 

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I can make a strong argument for both Dirk Nowitzki and Nikola Jokic. That being said Larry Bird was great but he played on far more
talented teams. Bird led them to 5 nba champiionship appearences of which the Celtics won 3 of the 5.
Bird led a team that won 29 games in the 78-79 season to 61 wins in 79-80, that alone was just staggering.
 

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Bird led a team that won 29 games in the 78-79 season to 61 wins in 79-80, that alone was just staggering.
Bird is the greatest white player ever if not the GOAT period. To woke's point, first, Bird led an awful team to a 61 win season and then won a Championship a year later.
Bird was 6-0 in the playoffs against who some consider the GOAT, Michael Jordan. Think about who Bird played against during a time when the game was much more physical.
Magic Johnson
Abdul Jabbar
Moses Malone
Michael Jordan
Isaiah Thomas
Julius Erving
Dominique Wilkins
James Worthy
McHale- I realize was a teammate, but put in the era's top players
Hakeem Olajuwon
Adrian Dantley
Geroge Gervin
Charles Barkley
John Stockton
Jack Sikma
Chris Mullin
Sydney Moncrief
Bernard King
Bill Laimbeer
Karl Malone
Clyde Drexler
I believe the only player to get the best of Bird in the playoffs on this list was Johnson who had little better surrounding cast.
Most of these players are on the NBA's top 50 all time list.
No one has ever beat more of the all time top players head to head than Bird and I believe that's what makes him the GOAT.
I think Bird would kill Doncic mentally and physically. And he would use his teammates, McHale, Johnson and Parish to beat Jokic.
 

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His resume isn't deep enough but if this team holds together and everybody stays humble(a hard task in the YoBA) he could give Larry Legend a run for his money.

I still maintain that Dirk with a deeper caste around him could have been viewed as the greatest White player ever if had won multiple championships.

Dirk was amazing to be sure; almost unstoppable offensively and an outstanding leader. He should have won two championships but got clearly robbed of the first one against the Heat.

But Jokic's all around game is clearly better than Dirk's. He's a much better passer. While Dirk's offensive repertoire was outstanding, Jokic is slightly more dependable as a scorer because he shoots a higher percentage (61% this regular season) and when Denver needs a bucket Joker can just back the defender down and throw in a jump hook with either hand, and basically no one can stop it. He's a better rebounder and just about as good defensively. And he's dominating the league more so than Dirk in his prime. All time three white players right now IMO Bird #1 (for now) #2 Jokic #3 Dirk.
 

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Dirk was amazing to be sure; almost unstoppable offensively and an outstanding leader. He should have won two championships but got clearly robbed of the first one against the Heat.

But Jokic's all around game is clearly better than Dirk's. He's a much better passer. While Dirk's offensive repertoire was outstanding, Jokic is slightly more dependable as a scorer because he shoots a higher percentage (61% this regular season) and when Denver needs a bucket Joker can just back the defender down and throw in a jump hook with either hand, and basically no one can stop it. He's a better rebounder and just about as good defensively. And he's dominating the league more so than Dirk in his prime. All time three white players right now IMO Bird #1 (for now) #2 Jokic #3 Dirk.

I can agree with this but it's not easy. Dirk Nowitzki is 1 of only 6 players to score 30,000 career points. That is similar to hitting 600
homeruns in Basbeall. A very rare club of which Babe Ruth and Jim Thome joined it. Babe Ruth had over 700 homers but you get the
point. Nowitzki was not as good a passer but maybe it was because he was always looked at to be the leading scorer the majority of
his career. If Jokic didn't have Murray he would have to score alot more which I know he could. Jokic is just so unselfish and he always
puts the team first.

As for Larry Bird he did it against all time greats at a time when they still played hard defense and there were many hard fouls which most
of the time were not called. It was a far more defensive oriented game. It took it's toll on him with his severe back injuries which hampered
his career. Despite this he was amazing. I would still put him as number 1 for now but I am just about positive Jokic will surpass him in every
category except for championships. Jokic may get to a couple more but I doubt Denver will go to 5 championships like Bird did. However
to be fair Bird had McHale, Parrish, Ainge and D. Johnson among others. His teams were like all star teams similar to Magics Lakers. So if
you put Jokic or Nowitzki on those same teams they win alot more titles in my honest opinion.
 

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Ya gotta love this guy! Hopefully the Nuggets can hold it together for at least one more championship. Murray seems like a a pretty good dude and is big buds with Joker so it may just happen. Braun should have a bigger role next year as well.
 

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It would have been so easy for Jokic to have taken a parting shot at Embiid, the league, the voters, or just the audience writ large about their MVP vote. In my mind, it was very obvious that no white player could be allowed to win three straight MVPs in this current era. Blank out all 32 rosters and give each team their first pick of player in a round-robin format. The GM's who don't pick Jokic are probably going with Doncic because of their ages, but no one is banking on Embiid to do anything more than what he accomplished this season.

Same is true for Djokovic (regarding extreme grace and humbleness), who has never really even alluded to angst against the countries (or at least the bureaucrats) who spitefully robbed him from part of his legacy. He waves, speaks clumsily in the native language (whatever it is), and returns home to help grow his traditional family.

Worthwhile to take a long look at the Serbian people and their spirit.
 
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Unfortunately the triumph of Denver and Jokic only makes some clueless conservatives double down on their ignorance, like this writer:

"The NBA is a rare bastion of pure merit. The league has no quota for Canadians, Serbians, or American players of different skin shades. Nobody plays because daddy or mommy owns the team, has a lot of money, or happens to be famous. Teams don’t care if a player was a walk-on or never played in college, like LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, or Luka Doncic."

He then goes on to rightly complain about how unfair it is for men to compete against women, but he clearly knows nothing about the Caste System in sports, which is sadly the norm not only among conservatives but even among many White racialists, as we've lamented many times over the years.

 

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Unfortunately the triumph of Denver and Jokic only makes some clueless conservatives double down on their ignorance, like this writer:

"The NBA is a rare bastion of pure merit. The league has no quota for Canadians, Serbians, or American players of different skin shades. Nobody plays because daddy or mommy owns the team, has a lot of money, or happens to be famous. Teams don’t care if a player was a walk-on or never played in college, like LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, or Luka Doncic."

He then goes on to rightly complain about how unfair it is for men to compete against women, but he clearly knows nothing about the Caste System in sports, which is sadly the norm not only among conservatives but even among many White racialists, as we've lamented many times over the years.


This is why the Republican Party and Conservatives have failed us for countless decades. They will never support white people's rights.
It's not just the RINOS but the whole party in general. The biggest reason in my opinion is because of who controls both parties. I don't
need to say who that is as most here are aware. Aside from politics how many white kids and adults being jumped and beaten to a pulp
have to be shown of countless videos for whites to wake up? If we don't become racially aware like the minorities we will cease to exist
period. You can learn from everyone. Whites need to learn to become more tribal as in the near future our lives could depend on it. This is
not about hating anyone but having in group preference for your sanity, and safety. Embrace your Race & your European Roots.
 
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Unfortunately the triumph of Denver and Jokic only makes some clueless conservatives double down on their ignorance, like this writer:

"The NBA is a rare bastion of pure merit. The league has no quota for Canadians, Serbians, or American players of different skin shades. Nobody plays because daddy or mommy owns the team, has a lot of money, or happens to be famous. Teams don’t care if a player was a walk-on or never played in college, like LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, or Luka Doncic."

He then goes on to rightly complain about how unfair it is for men to compete against women, but he clearly knows nothing about the Caste System in sports, which is sadly the norm not only among conservatives but even among many White racialists, as we've lamented many times over the years.

It is completely impossible for me to consider how such a man could have become a professional "writer." There is no path to fruition that I could imagine. The easy absences are vocabulary and prose. The tough one is spirit... after failing to convince you via the "REUTERS" brand, what's left?

Writing for me could only ever be a brand of fun. It's a thrill, like drawing your name in wet concrete. I get off on the angry fist-wavers from last generation! Confound you!!

I played basketball well for the longest time, but it's been a long time. NBA is in a weird phase where "pure shooter" Duncan Robinson specializes in unguarded cuts to the basket (he lays it up).
 

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Conservacucks love believing that everything is fair and based on merit in Sports LOL.
 

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Conservacucks love believing that everything is fair and based on merit in Sports LOL.
It’s a comfortable delusion to be sure. They also think millions of illegals are going to vote for republicans because of their “family values”. Hilarious
 

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Conservacucks love believing that everything is fair and based on merit in Sports LOL.
Has anyone had a look at this author?
He is caricature of the " I don't see race, MLK believed in merit" Republican..

And this is why exposing the caste system in sports is so important. Getting normies to understand it will go a long way in making them recognize very little in our society is based on merit.
 

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Couldn’t agree more fellas. Still a lot of work to do with the normies..
 
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