2019 NFL Draft

[TwentyTwo]

Yes sir Shadowlight! Thanks for reminder NFLPA game this Saturday! Can't wait to see what DB Chris Johnson can do! & WOW! Good eye think it was only once or twice i mentioned Brody Oliver (Colorado School of Mines)...he played against Chad Hovasse (Adams State) ...BOTH Big time D-II WR Prospects.

There was the Wes Welker-effect...could there be some Adam Thielen-effect ? (Hopefully Brandon Zylstra should emerge as an impact player )
Small School NFL Draft Diamond WR Mitch Gueller 6 '- 3" 220lb ((Idaho State)) had 6 rec for 156 yards & TD vs. FBS Cal...Was only a Junior But he's already 25 Years old (former MLB 1st Round Draft Pick by Phillies) ...thought he might Declare for the NFL Draft...but never heard. So guess he plays Senior season & NFL Draft in 2020'.

LB prospect Shane Ratkovich from ((SW Minnesota State)) should get a look. Regardless of Combine Invite can see him surprising & landing on NFL 53 man Roster.

Hopefully D-Lineman Alec Heldreth (6 - 4" 285) & Brandon Vocco (6'-1" 300) BOTH from Clarion get NFL Try-outs. Current NFL Player(ex Browns/current Seahawks) D-Lineman Jaime Meder (Ashland) comes to mind.

How about DB Brandon Snyder (South Dakota St) transfer from Iowa. Big time Thumper who had to over come tore ACL...

Not sure RB Sam McPherson (Eastern Washington) will be Drafted? But should be in a NFL Training Camp.

RB AJ Ouellette proved he had some NFL ability with impressive run of games late in the season.

 

[white is right]

The Murray hype is beyond laughable. It's just another chapter in the black quarterback book with what will end up being the same result. There is no negative trait that he has according to the media. Under 6 ft? Not a problem. Under 5'10" - not a problem. Probably around 5'8" - not a problem. Under 200 lbs? Not a problem. Slight frame? Not a problem. Issues with footwork/fundamentals/arm strength / accuracy - not a problem. Only one year of starting experience - not a problem. Played in a simplistic offense - not a problem. Played in a defense optional conference - not a problem. He is the new normal of black privilege and blackening of the QB position. According to Tim Hasslebeck the NFL is changing the way it evaluates QBs - not really - they have been drafting black QBs in high numbers since 1999.

I personally wished Hockenson stayed at Iowa. He is the best TE in the draft - much better than Fant or any other black TE but what else can he really do after winning the Mackey. I also saw Alabama OT Jonah Williams declare and I have already seen the projections of moving the dominant left tackle in the supposed best conference into guard - I think all of us here could of seen that coming.

Finally some sanity in this discussion about the munchkin.

Even hardcore gimp Michael Lombardi isn't buying what Murray and his agents is selling......http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/13950/kyler-murray

I remember reading years ago some scouts talked about why they didn't like short qb's it's because they need to do too many plays out of the shotgun formation which all but says it's a passing play. It's really the reverse of the power I formation which all but says were running.

In college because of the poorer linebacker play tipping your hand on your offensive call isn't as bad a mistake as the pros if you have the dominant O- line which can blow the defensive front 7 off the ball or make a brick wall that the front 7 can't penetrate.

 

[FootballDad]

Murray is the typical black media hound" look at me I am superior to you lame white folk" athlete which is why I think he will choose football. The rewards are quicker and the media spotlight will be 10 times stronger.

Imagine this dude riding buses to minor league baseball games trying to learn the intricacies of baseball. Baseball is one of those sports like tennis and golf that relies on top level specialized talent that takes time to develop. It is exceedingly difficult. The gulf between the skill level of NFL players to baseball players is very wide.

If Murray chooses baseball imagine if he never gets out of the minor league swamp as he fights off prolonged slumps and long fast food filled trips to dusty out of the way towns and half filled ball parks. Ha. That would be fitting.

As I say he might make a nifty punt returner in the NFL but if I was drafting a PR I would choose Michael Walker. I wouldn't draft this media hound.

Oakland don't want to waste such a high draft pick ( they have to eat the money) so they are doing everything to save face. Only an ******* baseball team would draft this arrogant prick so whatever happens I hope the Oakland A's get sizzled alive by either him picking football or him dying a nice slow death in the minor leagues.

Below is an SI article on the pros and cons of each sport.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2019/01/14/kyler-murray-decision-baseball-football-nfl

I'm surprised at the level-headedness of this SI article, it's actually outstanding for them. Like you Shadowlight, I expect Murray to stick with his NFL draft decision. No way could I see him slogging through the minors, toiling away in front of minor-league crowds on dollar dog & beer nite.

 

[Shadowlight]

Two seasons ago WR Riley McCarron lit it up on his pro day. He made the Patriots roster but was demoted after a minor punt return fumble that had no baring on the game.

So what about Scott Miller a similarly sized WR with a much better college resume who was last seen I think playing in what is called the Spiral Tropical Bowl Sunday. You get the picture an all star bowl game for players who have a termite's chance of getting drafted. Not televised I had never heard of it until today.

I didn't see Miller's name on the box score so he either didn't play or never saw the ball. For the record speedster WR from Kansas Ryan Schadler was there as was Indiana WR Luke Timian. Familiar names to the college football junkies here.

But back to Miller. The stats are awesome coming from Bowling Green.

2016-74-968-10

2017-63-722-4 plus two rushes for 22 yards

2018 71-1178-9

Only one or two scouts see him as a nice day three pick up. The NFL doesn't seem to want any part of him. Could it be his speed which might challenge the black media hero combine participants? The last thing they want is a honky "stealing" the show.

On film his speed is very noticeable. He is on the small side but so are the countless small black skill players that dot NFL rosters.

Miller can return kicks and punts too but he has the makings of a speed demon slot who can bust open a defense. I have him graded as a 5th to 6th round pick and a no brainer for a team that needs more speed and a reliable slot/return man.

Again just the type of player the combine has carefully avoided for ages but should blow the top off on his pro day. He should do what the black players do on their pro days and run on a fast surface. What will the scouts say when he busts a 4.2 40 yard dash. Expect silence.

See below a highlight reel that displays how special a talent Miller is and why scouts should be praising him to the max. Looks like a stud NFL player to me.

Anyone watching this video and not coming to the conclusion Miller is a bona fide draft worthy NFL type player is either brain dead or infected with the caste disease ( or are they one in the same?). Whoever his agent is I would love to speak with him.

 

[Shadowlight]

Update on two players that are of great interest here at CF. Both WR Trent Irwin and RB Patrick Laird are at the NFLPA bowl game but are unable to participate due to injuries. I think Laird was named team captain which is no surprise whatsoever. Leadership skills people that is what the NFL is lacking and Laird is busting at the seams with those qualities.

Irwin has a grade three MCL tear and is confident he will be able to work out for teams in April.

Laird suffered a shoulder injury in his bowl game but looks to be ready for his pro day March 22.

 

[Tannehill17]

Adam Schefter is reporting that the Dolphins are going to forgo drafting a QB in this years class (which I believe is nothing to write home about) and wait until 2020 before targeting a QB such as Herbert or Fromm. This is probably the right move. Let some other team waste picks on guys like Haskins and Murray. Ryan Tannehill is more than likely done in Miami. I think Tannehill would do extremely well in Dallas. Dallas has a good offensive line which would mask some of his deficiencies in terms of climbing the pocket and feeling the pressure around him (his biggest weakness) Tannehill's arm is deadly and could be utilized very well with a team that doesn't have protection issues. He would be a vast upgrade over the mediocre Prescott. But back to the Dolphins, I do find it strange that they would tip their hand like this especially when they technically don't even have a coach right now (he's currently with New England)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ing-rebuild-eye-heralded-qbs-2020-draft-class

 

[Deceptive Speed]

Andrew Wingard has just been invited to the 2019 NFL Combine! With Wingard being one of the first players to get an invite so far this year, its clear NFL teams value him highly. With that being said Wingard should go higher than some of us thought with a good combine showing!

 

[TwentyTwo]

Yes indeed Deceptive Speed...thanks for all of your previous list too.

Would be nice to see Andrew Wingard go late 2nd or 3rd Round.... should not go past Round 4 (Eric Weddle went 2nd/37th Overall; Chris Conte 3rd Round/93rd Overall)...Wingard capable of falling into that range. Raiders article seems to really like him as a fit...mixing some Silver with that Black??

Knew he had NFL written all over him pre-season in 17'
http://castefootball.us/index.php?threads/2017-defensive-backs.36098/

Very few white DB's have been drafted recently. Would be nice to see some more!

 

[Deceptive Speed]

Yes indeed Deceptive Speed...thanks for all of your previous list too.

Would be nice to see Andrew Wingard go late 2nd or 3rd Round.... should not go past Round 4 (Eric Weddle went 2nd/37th Overall; Chris Conte 3rd Round/93rd Overall)...Wingard capable of falling into that range. Raiders article seems to really like him as a fit...mixing some Silver with that Black??

Knew he had NFL written all over him pre-season in 17'
http://castefootball.us/index.php?threads/2017-defensive-backs.36098/

Very few white DB's have been drafted recently. Would be nice to see some more!

No problem, I've been pretty busy IRL but I'll try to post some more updates on our players this year. Im just really interested in the NFL and NBA drafts year in year out.

 

[backrow]

So NFL.com writer has TJ Hockenson going to Lions with pick 8... And Murray landing with Patriots.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ock-draft-10-kyler-murray-lands-with-patriots

 

[Leonardfan]

So NFL.com writer has TJ Hockenson going to Lions with pick 8... And Murray landing with Patriots.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...ock-draft-10-kyler-murray-lands-with-patriots

With the way the Patriots draft it wouldn't surprise me. Murray has all the makings of a bust - he is a shorter RG3. After 15 years of following the draft and hearing the same things over and over about black QBs I have just about had it. It is the definition of insanity yet every few years we are hearing about the revolution of the QB position with the ultimate result being mediocrity or bust status.

 

[Shadowlight]

See above yes it is a relief that S Andrew Wingard was invited to the combine. Perhaps the most glaring issue in football these days is the lack of white defensive backs and when you consider how bad most black DBs have played in recent times it is beyond insulting to see so few white faces in defensive backfields.

The East West Shrine game is on at 3:00 EST and I plan to give it a look. The biggest problem this time of year is the hype black "upside" players receive so it is a challenge to try and make your way through all of that sickening muck. It is a nightmare reading and hearing so called draft experts gush like squealing schoolgirls.

That said I hear WR Cody Thompson is getting good reviews.

Another player not much mentioned here if at all but has emerged is swift NC LB Cole Holcomb. A leader on the NC defense for several years Holcomb is a quick twitch LB who is now seen as someone who will get drafted. Will have to wait on that score but I hope he too gets invited to the combine. I would be shocked if Thompson is not invited.

Not a word on North Alabama S Chris Johnson though. Maybe he will make some plays in today's game?

 

[Leonardfan]

See above yes it is a relief that S Andrew Wingard was invited to the combine. Perhaps the most glaring issue in football these days is the lack of white defensive backs and when you consider how bad most black DBs have played in recent times it is beyond insulting to see so few white faces in defensive backfields.

The East West Shrine game is on at 3:00 EST and I plan to give it a look. The biggest problem this time of year is the the hype black "upside" players receive so it is a challenge to try and make your way through all of that sickening muck. It is a nightmare reading and hearing so called draft experts gush like squealing schoolgirls.

That said I hear WR Cody Thompson is getting good reviews.

Another player not much mentioned here if at all but has emerged is swift NC LB Cole Holcomb. A leader on the NC defense for several years Holcomb is a quick twitch LB who is now seen as someone who will get drafted. Will have to wait on that score but I hope he too gets invited to the combine. I would be shocked if Thompson is not invited.

Not a word on North Alabama S Chris Johnson though. Maybe he will make some plays in today's game?

Truer words have never been spoken. I can't read much of the practice notes anymore. All of these "experts" do their best to hype up some obscure black player. Next year it will be rinse and repeat with no thought or attention given to how incorrect they were the year before.

 

[Bucky]

I'll be watching the game as well. Disappointed Van Ginkel and Connelly were left off the rosters..

I noticed there is a D3 Center from UW Whitewater that will be playing. Nate Trewyn. 6'4 315. Good size and nice exposure .

 

[Leonardfan]

I could of sworn both Connelly and Van Ginkel had Shrine Game invites. Caste system strikes again. My guess is they won't get combine invites either.

 

[Bucky]

Brett Rypien has been impressive. 5 of 7 for 70yds and a TD.

David Blough had an elusive run avoiding a sack and gaining 8yds on a scamper.

 

[Bucky]

I could of sworn both Connelly and Van Ginkel had Shrine Game invites. Caste system strikes again. My guess is they won't get combine invites either.

Yeah even Wisconsin sports writers are puzzled by their absence.. Both would be solid additions to any LB group in the League!

 

[Bucky]

Horrible drop by Old Dominion afflete.

Followed by a motion penalty by WR Brody Oliver who is in for the West. Horsted was in for East.

Chris Johnson with a rangy pass break up!

 

[Leonardfan]

Nice play on the ball by North Alabama safety Chris Johnson

 

[Truthteller]

The East West Shrine game is on at 3:00 EST and I plan to give it a look. The biggest problem this time of year is the the hype black "upside" players receive so it is a challenge to try and make your way through all of that sickening muck. It is a nightmare reading and hearing so called draft experts gush like squealing schoolgirls.

A couple days ago I assumed I'd watch the game online. But looking at the final rosters, I didn't even bother.....As far as the media hype, oversized offensive tackle Trey Pipkins from tiny Sioux Falls has suddenly become a "superhero" the worthless cucks in the media and the DWF's can all lust after -- with Daniel Jeremiah and NFL Network leading the way. But mark my words, he'll very likely be a wasted pick. Why? There is no Caste system for blacks in college and pro football, so there is a very obvious reason he's at Sioux Falls -- he's not good enough to play FBS or even FCS! I assume it's possible he was a "late bloomer", who fell through the cracks, but I seriously doubt it. Expect him to be just another wildly overrated pretender put forth to excite the stupid (DWF) sheep constantly in search of an ebony hero from an exotic location.

Last white that really made a name for himself at the East-West game was Trey Hendrickson, who jumped up to the 3rd round after a strong week. Considering Hendrickson is not black, it's no surprise he's had a bit of a tough time in New Orleans. One of the Shabbos Goys really hyping him on the NFL Network prior to the draft was none other than Mike Mayock. Will be interesting to see if the Raiders, in desperate need for D-Line help, try to acquire him at some point?

One more comment. Unless they are black (or white offensive linemen), ignore the Canadian prospects at the game. If they do not possess the talent of J.J. Watt, the NFL will not even consider them. Several years back, around 1996, I remember a speedy white receiver from the University of Calgary named Don Blair absolutely dominated in the East-West game. So much so, that ESPN's Mel Kiper jr. said he would make sure he would find a spot for Blair in the Hula Bowl*. The Hula Bowl, which used to be on par with the East-West Game, accepted Kiper's input for roster building. Anyway, Blair went to the Hula Bowl and impressed, which led to a coveted Combine invite. Foolishly, at the time unaware how deep the Caste System was, I assumed the speedy Blair would absolutely be drafted and be a slam dunk NFL player -- even if it was just as a backup receiver/return specialist. Kind of like Don Beebe? Never happened. Blair went undrafted and had a brief pre-season fling with the Bears, then went back to Canada** for good. Had he been DeJuan Blair III (black), from the Calgary Dinos, he would have been a 3rd round pick, at worst.

My point? If Blair could not get a sniff from the NFL, I doubt any white Canadian, non-offensive lineman, ever will.


* https://presto-en.usports.ca/vaniercup/1995/interview
** https://www.statscrew.com/football/stats/p-blairdon001

 

[Leonardfan]

DeMarcus Christmas - DL - Seminoles
Florida State redshirt senior DT DeMarcus Christmas accepted an invitation to the Reese's Senior Bowl.

Christmas (6'4/308) was a late add to the South roster, but it's a great opportunity nonetheless. As a redshirt senior, Christmas made 14 tackles (3.0 for loss), but he failed to make a sack. The Draft Network's Joe Marino warns everyone to look past the lack of production and instead focus on his power. Before the season started, Draft Analyst's Tony Pauline presented Christmas with a third-round grade.

 

[backrow]

@Truthteller, that's correct. A great white running back, Jesse Lumsden barely got a chance as well. Like McGuffie, he ended up doing bobsleds for his country after a few injury filled seasons in CFL.

 

[Truthteller]

Yes Backrow, I remember Jesse Lumsden well. Jesse was the running back equivalent of Don Blair, ten years after. Like I said, back in 1996, I thought Don Blair was a sure fire NFL player after his very strong All-Star game showings. Lumsden was equally strong in U.S. All-Star games, but I never thought he'd get a fair chance in the NFL because he was white and a tailback. Sadly, I was correct. As it turned out, Lumsden turned out to be injury prone.

On September 7th, 1997 ex-Canadian collegiate star Tim Tindale posted these numbers for the white friendly (at the time) Buffalo Bills against the Jets: 4 catches for 105 yards.

Tindale had an amazing career (in a sad way). Finished his career with only 5 catches for 104 yards. How does a goy have a 4 rec/105 yard game and never have another NFL touch? In a sane world, it should absolutely defy logic!

I will best remember Tindale's game against the Dolphins in the 1995 playoffs: 4 rushes for 68 yards, including a stunning 44 yard TD. I thought after that he'd have a Travis Jervey type career. But even a career as a special teams mascot, who occasionally got some garbage time touches, would never happen.

DeMarcus Christmas - DL - Seminoles
Florida State redshirt senior DT DeMarcus Christmas accepted an invitation to the Reese's Senior Bowl.

Christmas (6'4/308) was a late add to the South roster, but it's a great opportunity nonetheless. As a redshirt senior, Christmas made 14 tackles (3.0 for loss), but he failed to make a sack. The Draft Network's Joe Marino warns everyone to look past the lack of production and instead focus on his power.

Beat goes on unabated, doesn't it? Not only do white prospects have to deal with no-names from small colleges, but also have to take a back seat to obvious underachievers that never came close to living up to the unmerited hype they received and some even spent their careers in college as backups....Here's some better news Leo'Fan: The white defender from Northern Illinois recently received a Senior Bowl invite and even media cucks are saying scouts like his coverage skills. We'll see. Would be great if the Northern Illinois goy and Crosby from Eastern Michigan can work their way up in the draft.

 

[Shadowlight]

I have very little to say about the East West shrine game. These "all star" settings don't answer many if any questions and the best bet is to watch the prospects play during the season.

Truthteller mentioned Canadian prospects above and there was a DE named Mathieu Betts who made a quick move for a sack.

Elsewhere I did see the rangy play by S Chris Johnson that was mentioned above. He looks the part. Hell I have been watching football long enough to spot a S who moves fluidly and with a purpose. And S Andrew Wingard was all over the field. LB Cole Holcomb tipped two passes I believe. Some scouts see him as draft worthy. Others are ignoring him. Again too often teams pass over versatile white defensive players like Holcomb and end up with crappy defenses year after year. It is simple. Holcomb is a ltae round draft pick. And if things don't go according to Hoyle you probably still have a nifty special teams player.

WR Jesper Horsted caught a nice long contested pass. I think scouts are thinking of another Princeton (TE) the Browns' Seth Devalve but unlike Seth I highly doubt teams will bother with Horsted. If he does get drafted it will likely be at TE. He is a baseball CF so alert teams (are there any left ?) should think about him as a nice late round pick due to his innate athleticism.

The biggest disappointment by far was I didn't see WR Cody Thompson at all on the field. He was getting good reviews before the game. What happened? I can't find any info. Was he injured and if so I hope it was a minor thing? I expect him to be at the combine and we need all of the white WRs to be at full strength at that event.

The biggest all star game though is this Saturday at 2:30 EST on the NFL network, The Senior Bowl. I plan to watch that. As mentioned above previously I will relist some key players who were invited. Of the QBs most eyes will be on Daniel Jones who I have as the top rated QB just above Haskins. Grade wise they are equal to me but I prefer more mobile QBs and Jones fits that bill.

Of course my main focus will be on the three WRs, Andy Isabella, David Sills and Hunter Renfrow.

Also not sure if QB/Taysom Hill clone Trace McSorley will be healthy enough to play but I am hoping at some point before the draft he opens some eyes with his all around athletic ability.

Small school DE John Cominsky is another player with quick twitch attributes who is being seen as draft worthy (we hope).

Also on hand are stud LBs Drue Tranquill, Cameron Smith and Chase Hansen.

Two huge mauling DEs Anthony Nelson and Zach Allen ( hope he is healthy enough too) were invited. All I heard about leading up to the Patriots game were the undersized "edge" players Dee Ford and Justin Houston and how their "speed" would kick ass. They got enveloped and blocked out of existence. One way to prevent that is to draft big angry tough strong athletic ends like Nelson and Allen. Whatever happened to defenses that don't get pushed around?

But speaking of edge players Sutton Smith will be asked to play OLB. Smith reminds me of a defensive version of Edelman. Put him on the football field and good things will happen. It is called toughness and innate talent stuff you can't measure at the underwear Olympics otherwise known as the combine, that odious event that has promoted so many lame black players it would take years to catalogue them.

 

[Truthteller]

Thanks for the update Shadow. Excellent, much needed All-Star game breakdowns. Please keep the updates coming. But there is more, breaking news from Mobile, Alabama:

Looks like a new star is born. According to ESPN's Blackberry totting Lonsman Adam Schefter, a 320 pound sumo from Western Illinois has pretty much gone from a potential UFA to a 2nd round pick. He's looking to solidify that lofty standing at the Senior Bowl this week. I wont bother looking at the "small school Aaron Donald's" stats, because they are not needed. Just check out his Mary Lou Retton impersonation posted at You Tube and you can see why he has scouts frothing at the mouth due to his upside.

This really reminds me of Jarron Gilbert. Back in 2009, the San Jose State sumo's draft stock caught fire* after a video of him jumping out of a swimming pool went viral on You Tube. Gilbert, a mediocre mid-major defensive tackle, was drafted very early in round three by the New York Jets. In parts of 3 NFL seasons Gilbert registered 2 career tackles.

* https://www.mercurynews.com/2009/02/17/sjsus-gilbert-hopes-to-make-big-splash-at-nfl-combine/