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Now that free agency and the draft have concluded, I wanted to start a thread for the upcoming season. Below are the white players currently on the roster. Their defense and OL have never been so coal black, however, their WR and TE corps have never featured so many white athletes. There are currently 27 whites in total on the roster...

QB - Brady, Hoyer, Etling

RB/FB - Burkhead, Develin

TE - Gronkowski, J. Hollister, Izzo, Niklas, Wimann

WR - Edelman, Hogan, Berrios, McCarron, C. Hollister

OL - Andrews, Bowanko, Croston, Ferentz, Jelks, Karras, Thuney, Tobin

DE - None

DT - None

LB - None

S - Ebner

CB - None

P/K/LS - Allen, Gostkowski, Cardona
 

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Just a single White defensive player, and one who's a WSTD at that, at this time of year with the expanded rosters is pathetic, possibly even unprecedented. That and the creeping "sumo-ness" of the o-line portends a team that may well be nearing the end of its run as a Caste-buster on offense, what with the age of Brady and Edelman (and Belichick), Gronk's apparent unhappiness, and Burkhead's role possibly becoming minor after they drafted a running back in the first round.

Hopefully McCarron and Berrios are incorporated in the offense to some degree this season along with J. Hollister and maybe Izzo at TE, and Burkhead carves out an important role. But I just don't have a good feeling about the Patriots right now, the feeling that the end of an era is near is strong. On the other hand, appreciate it all the more while it's still here.
 

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No question the Patriots defensive situation is horrendous on two levels. Caste riddled and below average overall.

It cost them this past Super Bowl.

Not to be too heavy handed but this past run of two Super Bowls and a runner up has been MAINLY fueled by Brady and his white receivers. They are the components that have lifted them to great heights. Take these receivers and their relationship with Brady out of the equation and you are looking at zero Super Bowl rings.

Edelman, Amendola, Gronkowski and Hogan (the past two seasons) make up the core of receivers who have seamlessly meshed with Brady and the results have been breathtaking. Brady has played with star black WRs in the past but he has never connected as well as he has done with this group.

So the Patriots lose Amendola and they quickly replace him with Braxton Berrios. Berrios pretty much fills the exact role as a punt returner and slot WR. Mel Kiper said last night and this morning the plan is to plug Berrios right in. He is very smart so he will adapt very quickly. To say he is the type of player Brady wants to work with is an understatement.

This leaves McCarron in a more difficult spot since they recently added a kick returner but we should not rule out McCarron still making the squad as a back up. Who knows?

As for RB Burkhead I expect his role to stay the same and IF he remains healthy he should get a lot of touches. The Pats don't like to "overuse" RBs so the kid they drafted will play but I don't see the Patriots changing their RB formula.

While the Patriots defensive approach is disappointing they at least have enough wherewithal to stock the "glamour" WR position with white stars. Nice to see a team understand what type of offensive players are needed to win in the NFL.
 
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Just a single White defensive player, and one who's a WSTD at that, at this time of year with the expanded rosters is pathetic, possibly even unprecedented. That and the creeping "sumo-ness" of the o-line portends a team that may well be nearing the end of its run as a Caste-buster on offense, what with the age of Brady and Edelman (and Belichick), Gronk's apparent unhappiness, and Burkhead's role possibly becoming minor after they drafted a running back in the first round.

Hopefully McCarron and Berrios are incorporated in the offense to some degree this season along with J. Hollister and maybe Izzo at TE, and Burkhead carves out an important role. But I just don't have a good feeling about the Patriots right now, the feeling that the end of an era is near is strong. On the other hand, appreciate it all the more while it's still here.

I agree that the situation on defense is amongst the darkest I’ve ever seen. However, the token 2-3 whites (Ebner, Ninkovich, Long, McClellin, and Marsh over the past few years) that are typically employed in Belichick’s defense seem to have been replaced by more white TE’s. Since being drafted in 2010, Gronk has generally been paired with non-white TE’s. Hernandez, Fells, Wright, Hoomanawanui, DJ Williams, Michael Williams, Bennett, and Allen. Now, there are 5 white TE’s on the roster, which is s welcome change.

Of the 5 white WR’s in the roster, it seems like McCarron and C. Hollister are the most likely to be cut and placed on the PS. I could see the newly-acquired black WR’s (Matthews and Patterson) not planning out as planned.

With the OL, anything could happen. Thuney and Andrews are likely to keep their starting jobs. Shaq Mason, LaAdrian Waddle, Antonio Garcia, Isiah Wynn, and Trent Brown are surely all in contention to start. Injuries or poor practice performances by any and all of these players would be a very positive development for our cause! I could see Matt Tobin legitimately competing for an OT spot and Ted Karras for an OG spot.
 

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I went back and watched Etling highlights. He has some ability and tools to work with. I’ll be curious to see if he pans out. Cassell never started a game in college and developed into a mid-tier starter. The Pats also developed Hoyer into a serviceable qb. Overall the Pats draft was a predictable dud though. Berrios took lessened the disappointment slightly.
 

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The Patriots desperately need help at linebacker. They had available to them a player who would have helped them in that regard, Josey Jewell, the Big Ten's best linebacker.

He was available at 105 in the 4th round. Instead the Patriots traded the pick away and Jewell was picked by the Broncos 1 pick later. They made a mistake in passing on Jewell.
 
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The Patriots are a sentimental Caste Football favorite and had a great run, but it's coming to an end (referring to both their Super Bowl appearances and their whiteness. Hmm, funny how those two seem to go together). For me, at least, the torch has been passed on to the Vikings. They were the whitest team in the league last year, and with a reasonably White-friendly draft, they should remain that way, barring any egregiously dumb preseason moves. With "Captain" Kirk Cousins at the helm they have a good chance to go deep in the playoffs.
 

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Given that NE currently has Tom "The GOAT" Brady at QB, five white WR's (Edelman and Hogan are surefire starters and Berrios/Hollister/McCarron are backups), five white TE's (including the best in NFL history, Gronkowski), and a white RB (Burkhead) who could see significant playing time, I'm not ready to give up on the Patriots just yet. From years of closely following the team, I take solace in the fact that the roster always seems to look quite bleak and then, suddenly, as the season begins, they're the sale old Caste-busting team they've been for 10+ years. Admittedly, there defense is as black as it's ever been. However, there were seasons in the mid-2000's where OLB Mike Vrabel was the only white defender (DT Mike Wright was injured) on the roster. Is the racial makeup of the 2018 defensive roster really so different than it's been over the past 10 years? Naturally, I hope they find a way to add some white talent before/during training camp, but I'm not watching the Pats for their defense.

WR Braxton Berrios was a very interesting draft pick and I believe the squad has big plans for the former Miami Hurricane. The Caste Media calls him a Welker/Edelman/Amendola clone, but his 4.44 40-yard dash was much faster than Wes (4.65), Julian (4.52), and Danny (4.58). His 36" vertical leap was higher than Wes and Danny and the same as Edelman's. His blistering 3-cone drill and 20-yard split were almost identical to those of Edelman.

Aside from being a white receiver and a member of the Patriot offense, another reason for him to be despised by the Caste Media are his looks. Despite having a Spanish surname (his father is a white Puerto Riccan), Berrios fits the classic Nordic-European archetype. As with the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Julian Edelman and his (alleged) Jewish heritage, it'll be impossible to sell Berrios as a Latino/Hispanic...

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I think he makes the roster as a PR and depending upon his development, possibly takes over Amendola's spot as the 2nd slot WR. Barring injury, I predict that NE keeps 7 WR's and Berrios will be one of them.
 
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Given that NE currently has Tom "The GOAT" Brady at QB, five white WR's (Edelman and Hogan are surefire starters and Berrios/Hollister/McCarron are backups), five white TE's (including the best in NFL history, Gronkowski), and a white RB (Burkhead) who could see significant playing time, I'm not ready to give up on the Patriots just yet. From years of closely following the team, I take solace in the fact that the roster always seems to look quite bleak and then, suddenly, as the season begins, they're the sale old Caste-busting team they've been for 10+ years. Admittedly, there defense is as black as it's ever been. However, there were seasons in the mid-2000's where OLB Mike Vrabel was the only white defender (DT Mike Wright was injured) on the roster. Is the racial makeup of the 2018 defensive roster really so different than it's been over the past 10 years? Naturally, I hope they find a way to add some white talent before/during training camp, but I'm not watching the Pats for their defense.

WR Braxton Berrios was a very interesting draft pick and I believe the squad has big plans for the former Miami Hurricane. The Caste Media calls him a Welker/Edelman/Amendola clone, but his 4.44 40-yard dash was much faster than Wes (4.65), Julian (4.52), and Danny (4.58). His 36" vertical leap was higher than Wes and Danny and the same as Edelman's. His blistering 3-cone drill and 20-yard split were almost identical to those of Edelman.

Aside from being a white receiver and a member of the Patriot offense, another reason for him to be despised by the Caste Media are his looks. Despite having a Spanish surname (his father is a white Puerto Riccan), Berrios fits the classic Nordic-European archetype. As with the blonde-haired, blue-eyed Julian Edelman and his (alleged) Jewish heritage, it'll be impossible to sell Berrios as a Latino/Hispanic...
Obviously, the league knows full well what the Pats do to be so successful. I wonder why they don't emulate it if it's so successful? Also, when the OC finally becomes a head coach again, I predict he goes back to his anti-White ways like when he was HC of the Broncos. Belichic won't allow him to do that stuff while he's with the Patriots.
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I think he makes the roster as a PR and depending upon his development, possibly takes over Amendola's spot as the 2nd slot WR. Barring injury, I predict that NE keeps 7 WR's and Berrios will be one of them.
 

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I'm closely watching the WR battle on the Patriots. After Hogan and Edelman (suspended for the first four games), they have some blacks who have played in the NFL -- Philip Dorsett, Kenny Britt, Jordan Matthews, and Cordarrelle Patterson. Meantime they drafted Braxton Berrios in the sixth round and also have Riley McCarron and Cody Hollister. Matthews is getting the most hype; he started off well with the Eagles but quickly hit a plateau and has begun to regress, especially last year. Dorsett, Britt and Patterson are all busts but still somehow have untapped "upside."

McCarron and Hollister like Berrios are very talented. Hollister is very tall at 6' 4" while McCarron and Berrios are more in the mold of Welker, Amendola and Edelman when it comes to size and quickness.

If the Patriots keep the players with the most talent, they could end up with an all-White receiving corps this year, but that would be a huge upset, even for the Patriots. How it plays out will be something to keep a close watch on.

Here's an article I ran across today:

Wes Welker sees a lot of himself in Patriots unheralded receiver Riley McCarron

http://www.milforddailynews.com/spo...n-patriots-unheralded-receiver-riley-mccarron
 
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Malcolm Mitchell is all but done in New England now, and I can't see the brainy perfectionist Tom Brady meshing with noted bonehead Kenny Britt. Same with Cordarrelle Patterson, who will be a kick returner if he makes the team. That leaves Jordan Matthews as the biggest threat to Berrios, McCarron and Hollister.

From Weenieworld: Patriots WR Malcolm Mitchell underwent a procedure on his knee on Monday. Good luck with trading him. (NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported on Monday the Patriots are shopping Mitchell.) He hasn't been healthy in nearly two years, and reportedly could miss all of 2018, with the Providence Journal's Mark Daniels adding it's "also possible" Mitchell gets released by the Patriots with an injury settlement at some point in the next few weeks. Mitchell flashed as a 2016 rookie but has long been battling knee problems going back to college.

Patriots placed WR Kenny Britt on active/PUP. Britt tweaked a hamstring at minicamp, but "isn't expected to be out long." When he returns, Britt will have an opportunity to earn a big early-season role during Julian Edelman's four-game PEDs suspension.
 

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It's Chris Hogan's time to have a Break-out 1,000 yard season (will be 31 in October).

Julian Edelman is the heart-n-soul of the team. Crazy to think just how dangerous they have been as a team when Gronk & Edelman haven't even played at the same time since early 2016'!

That's unfortunate for Malcolm Mitchell. This is a make or break year for Kenny Britt....in 10 seasons just 32 TD's for a former 1st Round pick
 

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Cracking the 53-man roster was a goal of New England Patriots wide receiver Cody Hollister.

The 6′4 native from Bend, Oregon was up against a crowded field of receivers — Julian Edelman, Chris Hogan, Kenny Britt, Phillip Dorsett, Malcolm Mitchell, Riley McCarron, newly-acquired veteran Jordan Matthews, Cordarrelle Patterson, rookie Braxton Berrios, Matthew Slater and now Devin Lucien, who was added to the team on Monday.

Unfortunately on Tuesday, Hollister (non-football injury) was waived by the Patriots just before training camp opened up in Foxboro. The team signed offensive lineman Nate Theaker, briefly a Saint last offseason and veteran defensive back Eddie Pleasant.

On Wednesday though, Hollister cleared waivers and now reverts to the Patriots’ reserve/non-injury list.
 

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Coach Bill Belichick praised second-year TE Jacob Hollister, saying, "I think he has a great future."

An UDFA pickup last year, Hollster appeared in 15 games as a rookie, catching 4-of-11 targets for 42 scoreless yards. A catch-first tight end who didn't block much at all in college, Hollister has a chance to make some strides behind Rob Gronkowski and push Dwayne Allen for snaps in "12" personnel.
 

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NE giving Decker a serious look. Hopefully, he latches on. A great fit.
 

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More good news for Decker, Berrios and McCarren:

Patriots waived WR Malcolm Mitchell. Unusually hyped for a fourth-round pick in 2016, Mitchell caught 32 passes for 401 yards and four touchdowns in a promising rookie season. He went 6/70 in the Pats' Super Bowl LI victory. Knee issues — which were the reason he fell in the draft — have kept him sidelined since, however, and it's unclear when he might be healthy enough to contribute. The fact that the receiver-needy Pats are pulling the plug now is not a great sign for Mitchell's NFL future. He turned 25 in July. A second chance will be about first finding a team that will give Mitchell a passing physical.
 

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Could we see an all White offence at some stage ? The receiver group is the best anti caste I can remember since Welker/ Hernandez / Gronk / Woodhead e.t.c were around
 

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The whites who should make New England's 53-man roster are as follows:

QB:
Brady
Hoyer

NOTE: Danny Etling will be cut and likely land on the PS.

RB/FB:

Burkhead
Develin

NOTE: Both players are locks to the make the team. White FB, Poggi, will be cut.

WR:
Edelman
Hogan
Decker

NOTE: It wouldn't surprise me if only Edelman and Hogan made the team. Decker has apparently been struggling with drops and getting separation from coverage, so who knows if he'll make the team. He has far more NFL experience than Berrios and McCarron, so I could see him making the team over those two players. It would be nice to see Britt or Patterson get cut in favor of McCarron, but it's unlikely given that the team traded for Patterson and Britt is their only tall, big-bodied receiver. Regardless of who makes the 53-man roster, it's amazing to think that, once again, NE has five (5) WR's in their program. Edelman, Hogan, McCarron, Berrios, and Hollister (on IR). Anything could happen with this group!

TE:
Gronkowski
Hollister

NOTE: Though unlikely, the lumbering blocking TE, Dwayne Allen, could be cut due to his expensive contract. White rookie draft pick, Ryan Izzo (who is noted for his blocking), could make the squad instead of Allen if this occurs. It should be noted that Izzo is listed behind black TE, Will Tye (a receiving TE), on the depth chart.

OL:
Thuney
Andrews
Karras
Croston

NOTE: It would be great if Tobin and Croston both made the team, but I don't think it'll happen. Surprisingly, Croston made the team as an UDFA last season.

Defense (DT, LB, OLB, DE, FS, SS, CB):
No whites as starters or backups whatsoever (Ebner is technically a reserve safety). Sad, pathetic, and enraging.

Specialists:
Ebner
Cardona
Gostkowski
Allen

NOTE: Corey Bojorquez, a non-white (Hispanic?), rookie punter, could challenge Allen for his spot. Apparently, he has some talent.

If Decker, Tobin, Izzo, Berrios, and McCarron are cut, it could be 16 whites (plus Edelman is suspended) making the roster. Terrible! However, it's more likely that somewhere between 17-21 whites make the roster this year. That would be among the highest totals in the NFL, despite having zero whites on defense.
 
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In reading Rotowire's annual "Snarky Top 150 PPR Rankings" article, I noticed numerous "jokes" referring to how many white WR' the Pats have fielded over the years:

"Adam Thielen - Could eventually sign with the Patriots."

"Chris Hogan - Filing in at white receiver until Julian Edelman gets back."

"Cooper Kupp - Noticed Patriots scouts following him around."

"Jordy Nelson - If he doesn't stick in Oakland, surely he can latch on in New England."

Link: https://www.rotowire.com/football/article.php?id=40882

NE's drafting of Berrios and their most recent signing of Eric Decker signing must've really triggered this notoriously anti-white gaggle of cucks. To be fair, the point of the article is to write rude/funny comments next to each player's name. For the black players, most of the comments involve being arrested, being injury prone, drug use, being slow, beating their girlfriend, or PED use. I did notice this "anti-Semetic" joke centered around Tarik Cohen...

"Tarik Cohen - World's fastest person with that last name."
 

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Two things.

Nothing against Rex Burkhead but he is always injured. Just as he picks up momentum the injury bug pops up. Hell even in the Super Bowl he had to exit after making key positive plays. After a while you just throw up your hands.

I really don't know where Eric Decker fits into the equation but the fact remains the Patriots need a punt returner for at least the first four weeks of the season because Edelman is out so I have to believe that spot is up for grabs between McCarron and Berrios.

My thoughts. They should keep either McCarron or Berrios ( which ever one plays best this preseason--right now McCarron is slightly ahead I think) for the entire season. It would be foolish for Edelman at this stage of his career to be returning kicks. I think that either of the two new players will be able to handle those duties just fine. Not a good idea to multi task older players. Besides Edelman is coming back from a devastating injury. Why give him a huge workload? Let him concentrate on being Brady's ace receiver and let the chips fall.
 

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Isiah Wynn, the black sumo drafted by the Pats in the 1st round of the 2018 draft, is believed to have ruptured his achilles in last night's pre-season game. He is expected to miss the entire season. Haha, why didn't they just pay Nate Solder?

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com...ah-wynn-achilles-patriots-20180817-story.html

This is good news, as it should open up a position for a white OT (Cole Croston, Matt Tobin, Luke Bowanko) to make the squad this year. All of these white players have played at OT and OG, so it would be great to see Wynn's injury employ one of these athletes.
 
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Nice a sumo down and opens up another spot for our guy's. Shame they don't play pale faces in defense but still excited to see this offense!
 

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I keep thinking with the ample supply(we know why) of exceedingly elite white RB's, slots and WR's the Pats could field a completely white offence and totally dominate any team in the league at anytime....there is no need for any negros on the Pats offence...actually no need on the defensive side of the ball as well. BUT we know this will never happen..
 
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