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Not trying to be a catalyst for negativity just wanted to do some research and try to get to the bottom of the mystery.
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If young Allen has ANY black in him what so ever its completely hidden to me.
Ive seen a lot of half breeds in my life, and ALL of them have some black features that makes it obvious. I see a few photos of him online that make me think maybe he looks slightly middle eastern, but not at all *******. If that black dude is his actual biological father, then he has the weakest ******* genetics in history.
It matters little though. If its suppose to be true then he gets a pass from the idiots, and talking heads. His alleged black genetics fully explains his speed. Believing that he has a black father makes the idiots sleep better at night.
Ive seen a lot of half breeds in my life, and ALL of them have some black features that makes it obvious. I see a few photos of him online that make me think maybe he looks slightly middle eastern, but not at all *******. If that black dude is his actual biological father, then he has the weakest ******* genetics in history.
It matters little though. If its suppose to be true then he gets a pass from the idiots, and talking heads. His alleged black genetics fully explains his speed. Believing that he has a black father makes the idiots sleep better at night.
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Well, from the looks of him, I would not even have to look twice. He's a White guy. No question.
Whenever I'm wondering about someone's race, I just thing, "How would this person be described to the police, if he were a crime suspect?"
No one would say, "well this half-Black-looking person..." or "This one-fourth Black-looking person..." or "this mostly-White but slightly-mixed person..."
They'd call him a White dude, because hell, he's obviously a White dude.
The only thing that some people might be iffy about is if his "parents" come to games and for whatever reason the camera pans to them, then of course all the retardates would think he was half-Black because his mom became a mudshark or whatever the hell happened there.
Whenever I'm wondering about someone's race, I just thing, "How would this person be described to the police, if he were a crime suspect?"
No one would say, "well this half-Black-looking person..." or "This one-fourth Black-looking person..." or "this mostly-White but slightly-mixed person..."
They'd call him a White dude, because hell, he's obviously a White dude.
The only thing that some people might be iffy about is if his "parents" come to games and for whatever reason the camera pans to them, then of course all the retardates would think he was half-Black because his mom became a mudshark or whatever the hell happened there.
Pretty sure its his biological dad ,he has a picture of him and his sister talking about when they were born as twins (sister also looks White), unless he dated the mom while she was pregnant with another man's kids. However, the dad is pretty light skinned, probably a quadroon himself, one photo he could pass for White himself so this kid is probably like 1/32 or something. Def looks middle eastern in younger photo. But I doubt the average dwf is going to be checking out this dudes dad's facebook, in fact i feel weird for doing it myself, so he should be considered White, will be interesting how he is viewed by the media though. If he is a high draft pick they will most likely show him picking up the phone, and he will probably be with his family, which includes his quadroon or octoroon dad.
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Pretty sure its his biological dad ,he has a picture of him and his sister talking about when they were born as twins (sister also looks White), unless he dated the mom while she was pregnant with another man's kids. However, the dad is pretty light skinned, probably a quadroon himself, one photo he could pass for White himself so this kid is probably like 1/32 or something. Def looks middle eastern in younger photo. But I doubt the average dwf is going to be checking out this dudes dad's facebook, in fact i feel weird for doing it myself, so he should be considered White, will be interesting how he is viewed by the media though. If he is a high draft pick they will most likely show him picking up the phone, and he will probably be with his family, which includes his quadroon or octoroon dad.
In this picture with Tory Holt he looks like some Latinos who have some Black ancestry. He also looks like Derrick Moye. But maybe this is just a summer tan. I have seen darker famous Whites than him. I remember this board debated whether the late Steve Van Buren was White. He obviously was classified as White as any player with any known Black ancestry couldn't play for a SEC team back in that era.
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He was a member of the Black Student Union in high school. I consider him mixed and therefore will not root for him. I also think he won't fit well in an NFL system anyways. He is good with deep routes and might be a good punt returner, things like post routes he will struggle.
I think you guys need to be more proactive. We seem to be more dependent on things just working out for us and that is not going to happen. I would recommend we go to sites like youtube and create our own post titled high school football prospects, and get our guys recruited, by posting videos of our guys in action. I also recommend calling Rivals.com out on being a poorly crafted site. I can't count the number of times they have promoted a bust.
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Seems mixed to me
I am in a foul mood of late .Baseball has been a crushing disappointment for the most part. The NFL, in general is off to a very slow start for our guys. College football as reported here has less white defensive players. And now this. Each person is entitled to their opinion on these matters but I draw the line on mixes and never cross it. One thing about Allen that always aroused some doubt. There has been very little talk from the media--not us--about him being a "fast white guy" ala Jeremy Wariner. The media jumped on Wariner's whiteness.There has been relative silence regarding Allen's racial makeup. Teams like Oregon really get my goat. OK some of these deep south schools have mostly black rosters which is not a shock these days. But friggen Oregon? Very few blacks live in Oregon. They play this pussy ball where all the wr's put up huge stats etc just grates that's all. We need some good news and soon.
I am in a foul mood of late .Baseball has been a crushing disappointment for the most part. The NFL, in general is off to a very slow start for our guys. College football as reported here has less white defensive players. And now this. Each person is entitled to their opinion on these matters but I draw the line on mixes and never cross it. One thing about Allen that always aroused some doubt. There has been very little talk from the media--not us--about him being a "fast white guy" ala Jeremy Wariner. The media jumped on Wariner's whiteness.There has been relative silence regarding Allen's racial makeup. Teams like Oregon really get my goat. OK some of these deep south schools have mostly black rosters which is not a shock these days. But friggen Oregon? Very few blacks live in Oregon. They play this pussy ball where all the wr's put up huge stats etc just grates that's all. We need some good news and soon.
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Let's get this back on the right track. Western Michigan Daniel Braverman had 8 catches for 100 yards against a tough Virginia Tech opponent. He's gone for 100 yards or more in 3 of his 4 games this year! Only a sophomore too.
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Sure if you're willing to discount his genes. Just cause the media considers a person "white" doesn't make them white. It's biological. If he has kids, they still won't be white. The one drop rule prevents this. If you're willing to cheer for that then so be it. Anyone with any non-white ancestry shouldn't be cheered for. The dilution of genes doesn't make it right.
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Time to move on
Freethinker is right. Yes the Allen discovery is a killer but we have two choices: jump off the bridge or move on. Let us concentrate on some positives to get that bad taste washed out of our mouths. Braverman is a speedster with wiggle.
Freethinker is right. Yes the Allen discovery is a killer but we have two choices: jump off the bridge or move on. Let us concentrate on some positives to get that bad taste washed out of our mouths. Braverman is a speedster with wiggle.
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Ryan Switzer just might be the fastest player in the entire country. He BURNED the Clemson defense on his way to a 75 yard TD on a screen pass. He simply flew while all those "athletic DBs" could not keep up. It's going to be fun seeing him dominate on Sunday's as a better version of DeSean Jackson.
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A thing of beauty!
[video=youtube;r0BlHTaij8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0BlHTaij8Y[/video]
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That catch and run by Switzer was a thing of beauty.
I do believe that some strides have been made at the WR position at the college level. There seems to be an uptick in the number of white WRs.
With that said two of the best RBs in the country are Tyler Varga and Zach Zenner. It's a shame they didn't get recruited to be RBs at division 1 schools.
I do believe that some strides have been made at the WR position at the college level. There seems to be an uptick in the number of white WRs.
With that said two of the best RBs in the country are Tyler Varga and Zach Zenner. It's a shame they didn't get recruited to be RBs at division 1 schools.
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The number of big play white WRs is one of the bright spots of this college football season.
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Jordan Westerkamp, Ryan Switzer and Nelson Spruce are having incredible years. Matt Miller too.
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Best WR has looked in years!
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Dudek, Braverman and Cracraft should all eclipse 1000 yds as well.
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I have found another young receiver to follow. RS sophomore Boone Niederhofer of Texas A & M. He had 8 catches for 69 yards last week
http://www.12thman.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208707264
If you guessed he was a walk-on, you'd be correct.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...nds-niche-on-offense-as-Texas-A-M-5781762.php
It's understandable how he was overlooked as A & M has been unbearable with Kenny Hill and an almost entirely coal lineup.
http://www.12thman.com/ViewArticle.dbml?ATCLID=208707264
If you guessed he was a walk-on, you'd be correct.
http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...nds-niche-on-offense-as-Texas-A-M-5781762.php
It's understandable how he was overlooked as A & M has been unbearable with Kenny Hill and an almost entirely coal lineup.
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a recap of some outstanding performances by our guys this past weekend:
River Cracraft (sophomore, Washington State) - 11 catches, 172 yards, and 3 touchdowns. the "possession" receiver had an 86-yard touchdown catch-and-run and two clutch 4th down catches that converted first downs. of course, any so-called journalist who profiles this all-around excellent wideout obediently marches to the tune of disparaging him for lack of talent. hell, even his coach downplays his ability.Exhibit 1,000,000 of Caste System stereotyping.
an excerpt:
just imagine what kind of numbers this Biletnikoff Award nominee could put up if he actually had talent!
Mike Dudek (freshman, Illinois) - 8 catches for 200 yards. here is a profile piece on Dudek, but it insists his lack of recruiting interest was due to his "lack of size." at 5-foot-11, 180-pounds, Dudek is a literal giant to many highly-recruited black wideouts. of course, they have "dat upside." additionally, Dudek's position coach admits that Mikey was the fastest player of the 3,000 potential recruits that Illinois evaluated. i guess he didn't have enough "hip wiggle" for the other "talent" "evaluators."
as reported in that profile piece, even before his monster 200-yard game, Mikey had an FBS-leading 212 receiving yards in the 4th quarter. he's clutch. and talented. and he is the best wideout on the Illinois roster.
Danny Anthrop (junior, Purdue) - 3 catches for 99 yards, including a beautiful 80-yard sprint down the sideline for a score
Curry Sexton (senior, Kansas State) - 9 catches for 128 yards and 2 touchdowns. yet another "possession" receiver, Sexton "deceptively" outran the entire Texas Tech secondary for a 46-yard touchdown catch-and-run. later on, he had a Catch-of-the-Year nominee:
[video=youtube;kBjnQzDad_M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjnQzDad_M[/video]
does it surprise anyone at all that A) Sexton is a former walk-on? or B) that the announcers spent the entire game either ignoring his play or condescendingly mentioning how it was his "hunger" that made him able to do all those things. never once was he credited for athletic ability, explosiveness, talent, or any other positive attribute. and i watched the replay of the game to be sure.
Jordan Westerkamp (sophomore, Nebraska) - 9 catches for 158 yards against a talented Michigan State defense. no one else on the team had more than 3 catches, and his yardage was more than the rest of the team combined.
Sam Martin (freshman, Miami (Ohio) - 8 catches for 111 yards and 4 touchdowns! Martin's performance helped the Redhawks snap the nation's longest active losing streak.
a 2-star prospect as a skinny 6-foot-3 wideout with reported 4.4 speed in the 40 (according to Rivals), Martin's only FBS scholarship offers were from the Redhawks and Rutgers. i guess he didn't have enough "upside" or some such nonsense.
in high school, he played in Colorado's largest classification. as a junior, Martin led the state of Colorado in receiving yards (1,289), catches (76), and receiving touchdowns (14). as a senior in 2013, he trumped those numbers with 112 receptions for 1,860 yards and 16 more touchdowns. he also carried the ball for 77 yards and four additional scores.
one "wonders" what numbers he need to have put up to get recruiting interest from the good programs around the country?
Jordan Taylor (senior, Rice) - 5 catches for 103 yards and 1 touchdown. the tall, rangy playmaker appears to finally be healthy this season.
Cooper Kupp (sophomore, Eastern Washington) - 8 catches for 132 yards and 3 touchdowns in a shootout with Idaho State. he may be the best wide receiver in collegiate football, regardless of level. of course, no one in the media would ever even consider that possibility.
Tyler McCulloch (senior, Colorado) had a game-high 76 yards and 2 touchdowns on 4 catches in the Buffs narrow loss to Oregon State. McCulloch did a good job emerging as a threat, since the Beavers double-teamed the stellar Nelson Spruce virtually the entire game in order to limit his production. Spruce finished with 6 catches but for only 35 yards.
Brian Wetzel (senior, Fordham) - 6 catches for 115 yards and 1 touchdown
Madison Mangum (sophomore, Idaho State) - 7 catches for 132 yards and 2 touchdowns
River Cracraft (sophomore, Washington State) - 11 catches, 172 yards, and 3 touchdowns. the "possession" receiver had an 86-yard touchdown catch-and-run and two clutch 4th down catches that converted first downs. of course, any so-called journalist who profiles this all-around excellent wideout obediently marches to the tune of disparaging him for lack of talent. hell, even his coach downplays his ability.Exhibit 1,000,000 of Caste System stereotyping.
an excerpt:
Bud Withers said:
just imagine what kind of numbers this Biletnikoff Award nominee could put up if he actually had talent!
Mike Dudek (freshman, Illinois) - 8 catches for 200 yards. here is a profile piece on Dudek, but it insists his lack of recruiting interest was due to his "lack of size." at 5-foot-11, 180-pounds, Dudek is a literal giant to many highly-recruited black wideouts. of course, they have "dat upside." additionally, Dudek's position coach admits that Mikey was the fastest player of the 3,000 potential recruits that Illinois evaluated. i guess he didn't have enough "hip wiggle" for the other "talent" "evaluators."
as reported in that profile piece, even before his monster 200-yard game, Mikey had an FBS-leading 212 receiving yards in the 4th quarter. he's clutch. and talented. and he is the best wideout on the Illinois roster.
Danny Anthrop (junior, Purdue) - 3 catches for 99 yards, including a beautiful 80-yard sprint down the sideline for a score
Curry Sexton (senior, Kansas State) - 9 catches for 128 yards and 2 touchdowns. yet another "possession" receiver, Sexton "deceptively" outran the entire Texas Tech secondary for a 46-yard touchdown catch-and-run. later on, he had a Catch-of-the-Year nominee:
[video=youtube;kBjnQzDad_M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjnQzDad_M[/video]
does it surprise anyone at all that A) Sexton is a former walk-on? or B) that the announcers spent the entire game either ignoring his play or condescendingly mentioning how it was his "hunger" that made him able to do all those things. never once was he credited for athletic ability, explosiveness, talent, or any other positive attribute. and i watched the replay of the game to be sure.
Jordan Westerkamp (sophomore, Nebraska) - 9 catches for 158 yards against a talented Michigan State defense. no one else on the team had more than 3 catches, and his yardage was more than the rest of the team combined.
Sam Martin (freshman, Miami (Ohio) - 8 catches for 111 yards and 4 touchdowns! Martin's performance helped the Redhawks snap the nation's longest active losing streak.
a 2-star prospect as a skinny 6-foot-3 wideout with reported 4.4 speed in the 40 (according to Rivals), Martin's only FBS scholarship offers were from the Redhawks and Rutgers. i guess he didn't have enough "upside" or some such nonsense.
in high school, he played in Colorado's largest classification. as a junior, Martin led the state of Colorado in receiving yards (1,289), catches (76), and receiving touchdowns (14). as a senior in 2013, he trumped those numbers with 112 receptions for 1,860 yards and 16 more touchdowns. he also carried the ball for 77 yards and four additional scores.
one "wonders" what numbers he need to have put up to get recruiting interest from the good programs around the country?
Jordan Taylor (senior, Rice) - 5 catches for 103 yards and 1 touchdown. the tall, rangy playmaker appears to finally be healthy this season.
Cooper Kupp (sophomore, Eastern Washington) - 8 catches for 132 yards and 3 touchdowns in a shootout with Idaho State. he may be the best wide receiver in collegiate football, regardless of level. of course, no one in the media would ever even consider that possibility.
Tyler McCulloch (senior, Colorado) had a game-high 76 yards and 2 touchdowns on 4 catches in the Buffs narrow loss to Oregon State. McCulloch did a good job emerging as a threat, since the Beavers double-teamed the stellar Nelson Spruce virtually the entire game in order to limit his production. Spruce finished with 6 catches but for only 35 yards.
Brian Wetzel (senior, Fordham) - 6 catches for 115 yards and 1 touchdown
Madison Mangum (sophomore, Idaho State) - 7 catches for 132 yards and 2 touchdowns
a recap of some outstanding performances by our guys this past weekend:
River Cracraft (sophomore, Washington State) - 11 catches, 172 yards, and 3 touchdowns. the "possession" receiver had an 86-yard touchdown catch-and-run and two clutch 4th down catches that converted first downs. of course, any so-called journalist who profiles this all-around excellent wideout obediently marches to the tune of disparaging him for lack of talent. hell, even his coach downplays his ability.Exhibit 1,000,000 of Caste System stereotyping.
an excerpt:
just imagine what kind of numbers this Biletnikoff Award nominee could put up if he actually had talent!
Mike Dudek (freshman, Illinois) - 8 catches for 200 yards. here is a profile piece on Dudek, but it insists his lack of recruiting interest was due to his "lack of size." at 5-foot-11, 180-pounds, Dudek is a literal giant to many highly-recruited black wideouts. of course, they have "dat upside." additionally, Dudek's position coach admits that Mikey was the fastest player of the 3,000 potential recruits that Illinois evaluated. i guess he didn't have enough "hip wiggle" for the other "talent" "evaluators."
as reported in that profile piece, even before his monster 200-yard game, Mikey had an FBS-leading 212 receiving yards in the 4th quarter. he's clutch. and talented. and he is the best wideout on the Illinois roster.
Danny Anthrop (junior, Purdue) - 3 catches for 99 yards, including a beautiful 80-yard sprint down the sideline for a score
Curry Sexton (senior, Kansas State) - 9 catches for 128 yards and 2 touchdowns. yet another "possession" receiver, Sexton "deceptively" outran the entire Texas Tech secondary for a 46-yard touchdown catch-and-run. later on, he had a Catch-of-the-Year nominee:
[video=youtube;kBjnQzDad_M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBjnQzDad_M[/video]
does it surprise anyone at all that A) Sexton is a former walk-on? or B) that the announcers spent the entire game either ignoring his play or condescendingly mentioning how it was his "hunger" that made him able to do all those things. never once was he credited for athletic ability, explosiveness, talent, or any other positive attribute. and i watched the replay of the game to be sure.
Jordan Westerkamp (sophomore, Nebraska) - 9 catches for 158 yards against a talented Michigan State defense. no one else on the team had more than 3 catches, and his yardage was more than the rest of the team combined.
Sam Martin (freshman, Miami (Ohio) - 8 catches for 111 yards and 4 touchdowns! Martin's performance helped the Redhawks snap the nation's longest active losing streak.
a 2-star prospect as a skinny 6-foot-3 wideout with reported 4.4 speed in the 40 (according to Rivals), Martin's only FBS scholarship offers were from the Redhawks and Rutgers. i guess he didn't have enough "upside" or some such nonsense.
in high school, he played in Colorado's largest classification. as a junior, Martin led the state of Colorado in receiving yards (1,289), catches (76), and receiving touchdowns (14). as a senior in 2013, he trumped those numbers with 112 receptions for 1,860 yards and 16 more touchdowns. he also carried the ball for 77 yards and four additional scores.
one "wonders" what numbers he need to have put up to get recruiting interest from the good programs around the country?
Jordan Taylor (senior, Rice) - 5 catches for 103 yards and 1 touchdown. the tall, rangy playmaker appears to finally be healthy this season.
Cooper Kupp (sophomore, Eastern Washington) - 8 catches for 132 yards and 3 touchdowns in a shootout with Idaho State. he may be the best wide receiver in collegiate football, regardless of level. of course, no one in the media would ever even consider that possibility.
Tyler McCulloch (senior, Colorado) had a game-high 76 yards and 2 touchdowns on 4 catches in the Buffs narrow loss to Oregon State. McCulloch did a good job emerging as a threat, since the Beavers double-teamed the stellar Nelson Spruce virtually the entire game in order to limit his production. Spruce finished with 6 catches but for only 35 yards.
Brian Wetzel (senior, Fordham) - 6 catches for 115 yards and 1 touchdown
Madison Mangum (sophomore, Idaho State) - 7 catches for 132 yards and 2 touchdowns
Epic post. Great to know how well our guys are doing.
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Great post JC. Your posts are always a good read.
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Great list JC. I love the captions and pictures. It was definitely the best week so far for White wideouts.
Here's our guys in the top 90 for reception yards:
*Nelson Spruce is still first in the country with 10 touchdowns. The guy behind him only has 8.
Here's our guys in the top 90 for reception yards:
| 3 | Nelson Spruce, WR | COLO | 62 | 732 | 11.8 | 71 | 10 |
| T11 | River Cracraft, WR | WSU | 43 | 576 | 13.4 | 86 | 6 |
| 19 | Mike Dudek, WR | ILL | 33 | 539 | 16.3 | 49 | 3 |
| 26 | Daniel Braverman, WR | WMU | 38 | 495 | 13.0 | 57 | 2 |
| 31 | Jordan Westerkamp, WR | NEB | 25 | 474 | 19.0 | 70 | 3 |
| 34 | Matt Miller, WR | BSU | 28 | 461 | 16.5 | 57 | 3 |
| T57 | Devon Allen, WR | ORE | 19 | 377 | 19.8 | 80 | 6 |
| 73 | Ron Willoughby, WR | BUFF | 28 | 356 | 12.7 | 46 | 5 |
| T81 | Danny Anthrop, WR | PUR | 21 | 336 | 16.0 | 80 | 3 |
| 83 | Curry Sexton, WR | KSU | 28 | 335 | 12.0 | 48 | 2 |
| T86 | Ryan Burbrink, WR | BGSU | 26 | 328 | 12.6 | 35 | 2 |
| 90 | Dominic Rufran, WR | WYO | 21 | 326 | 15.5 | 88 | 0 |
*Nelson Spruce is still first in the country with 10 touchdowns. The guy behind him only has 8.