2007 NFL Draft

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Here is a sample of Pat Kerwin's article on multi sport athletes helping their football skills....
Football prospects shouldn't drop other sports Click here to find out more!

Pat Kirwan By Pat Kirwan
NFL.com wire reports


(Feb. 20, 2007) -- As the draft hopefuls converge on Indianapolis over the next week to demonstrate their football talents, handle interviews with many of the clubs, pass medical exams and run for the scouts, something else rings clear with me about the football talent at the Holiday Inn.

There are a lot of very good athletes in this draft -- and many of the top prospects are more than merely football players.

Too often, young high school football players feel they have to throw away their love of other sports for the sake of a football career. What rings true about most of the first-day prospects in this draft class, like years past, is that participating in other sports is good for the development of the football player.

Quentin Moses could use his basketball skills to bat down, and maybe intercept, passes in the NFL.
Quentin Moses could use his basketball skills to bat down, and maybe intercept, passes in the NFL.
Too many high school coaches, parents and players themselves feel that in order to become a great football player, interest in other sports has to be dropped. Don't play basketball, lift weights. Don't run track, gain weight. Don't play baseball, go to spring practice.

I thought a quick look at many of the potential first-day draft picks and their other interests might send a message to some of our future stars to keep in mind there is much to be gained by multi-sport participation.

Learning to deal with different coaching styles, being part of an individual sport like track or wrestling, and competing most of the year and dealing with the ups and downs of winning and losing helps develop the whole person.

I know far too many coaches attempt to develop an environment of isolation for their athletes. The combine is a place where the well-rounded athlete will converse better with the NFL brass, move better in drills, and even handle the concept of position changes better than the young man who was trained to be almost robotic at one football position.

The top two quarterbacks in this draft, JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn, both excelled in other sports. Quinn played baseball and Russell was a heck of a basketball player. The top-ranked offensive lineman heading into Indy is Joe Thomas from Wisconsin. He threw the shot put 62 feet for the Badgers. In high school, he was captain of the basketball and track teams -- that tells me he has been developing his leadership skills for years.

Michigan nose tackle Alan Branch might be 6-foot-5 and 330 pounds, but he was also a pretty good basketball player; the lateral movement skills he developed on the hardwood will go a long way in the NFL. Gaines Adams, the outstanding defensive end from Clemson, played eight-man football in high school. LSU receiver Dwayne Bowe didn't play football until his junior year in high school. Levi Brown is a solid first-round tackle from Penn State, but was always too big to play Pop Warner football as a kid.

One of the more telling stories about athletes in this draft is first-round prospect Adam Carriker, a defensive end from Nebraska. He was a high school quarterback and he played baseball and ran track. Position change was something he handled well at the college level.

Daymeion Hughes, the corner from California, lettered in basketball, track and tennis. Watch a tennis player working the baseline and tell me if you don't see football movement skills... What I want to know is would a white ex- tennis player who had the 40 time and shuttle drill time get the same admiration for his abilities as Hughes(I'm assuming Hughes is black)?
 

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white is right said:
What I want to know is would a white ex- tennis player who had the 40 time and shuttle drill time get the same admiration for his abilities as Hughes(I'm assuming Hughes is black)?

What gave it away? The fact he is named "Daymeion?"
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Shoot man, back in the Mississippi Delta, Daymeion is a mild name. Heck, its practically white!
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This is downright historic -- Mel Kiper, one of the unofficial Kings of the Caste System, has moved Eric Weddle onto his "Big Board" at position number 24 (out of 25). This is a hopeful sign, along with the begruding acceptance by some Caste Systemites of Brian Leonard as a tailback, that we may be starting to make some progress.


Here's how Kiper describes Weddle:


24. Eric Weddle, DB, Utah (5-11¼, 205) | previous: Unranked
Makes his debut on the Big Board after a standout senior season for the Utes. An incredibly intelligent player, Weddle has the versatility to play either cornerback or safety.
 

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Wow, that is huge! It will be interesting to see what happens to both Weddle and Leonard over the next year.
 

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wow. no words can express my astonishment. Brian Leonard also featured on his Big Board as far as i recall. so did Jeff Samardzija.

Props to Kiper and lets hope for good things for Eric!
 

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From today's material at Draft Daddy:


Is Calvin Johnson the most talented wide receiver prospect since Kirk Gibson?


Yes, the Kirk Gibson we are talking about is the former Major League Baseball MVP, who helped lead the 1984 Detroit Tigers and 1988 Los Angeles Dodgers to World Championships, as a gritty and often volatile outfielder.


Before breaking in with the Tigers in 1980, at the age of 22, he was best known for his exploits as a wide receiver for the Michigan State Spartans football team. While we don't remember him as a football player, we have found he was a very interesting N.F.L. prospect back in the latter part of the 1970's.


Here is some info we've gathered regarding Gibson's football field accomplishments at Michigan State from the mid 1970's until he left in the school in 1979:


**Gibson, who averaged an amazing 21.0 yards per catch during his career at Michigan State, set several Spartan receiving records, including most career touchdown catches (24), most career receptions (112) and most career receiving yards (2,347). Those numbers stood for about 25 years, until former Detroit Lions first round pick Charles Rogers broke the records earlier this decade. Gibson's numbers were even more impressive when you consider most big time college programs skewed heavily towards running the football in the 1970's.


**Back around 1999 (or so), when Randy Moss was terrorizing N.F.L. defensive backs as a young wide receiver with the Minnesota Vikings, a writer from Pro Football Weekly asked a veteran N.F.L. head scout the following question: "In your 30 years as an N.F.L. scout, have you ever seen an athlete as good or better than Randy Moss at wide receiver?" The scout said something like this: "Only one, Kirk Gibson, who went on to play baseball".


**It's been widely reported that Gibson, who stood 6' 3" and weighed over 200 pounds at Michigan State, ran a sizzling 4.28 40 in front of N.F.L. scouts. Lets not forget, Gibson signed with the Detroit Tigers before the 1979 N.F.L. Draft, so it's almost certain he didn't even bother training to impress football scouts like the athletes do today.


**Gibson, who was a first team All-American as a senior, was billed as one of the top prospects at the 1979 Senior Bowl in Mobile, Alabama.


**Despite signing a block-buster deal to play with the Detroit Tigers, the former St. Louis Cardinals used the 173rd pick in the 1979 N.F.L. Draft to secure Gibson's football rights. Back in 1979 the 173rd pick was a 7th rounder. Today, with expansion and compensation picks, the 173rd pick is a 5th rounder.
 

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Wow, sure is funny that less than a month ago, we discussed Kirk's football career, and now here is Draft Daddy writing on him. Yep, it wasn't a sure thing before now, it is now. DD must be a Caste Football poster or at least a viewer. DD, if/when you read this, way to go for giving an awesome white athlete his due!
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Don Wassall said:
From today's material at Draft Daddy:


Is Calvin Johnson</font> the most talented wide receiver prospect since Kirk Gibson[/COLOR">?


Yes, the Kirk Gibson we are talking about is the former Major League Baseball MVP, who helped lead the 1984 Detroit Tigers and 1988 Los Angeles Dodgers to World Championships, as a gritty and often volatile outfielder.


Before breaking in with the Tigers in 1980, at the age of 22, he was best known for his exploits as a wide receiver for the Michigan State Spartans football team. While we don't remember him as a football player, we have found he was a very interesting N.F.L. prospect back in the latter part of the 1970's.


Here is some info we've gathered regarding Gibson's football field accomplishments at Michigan State from the mid 1970's until he left in the &lt;SPAN style="CURSOR: pointer; COLOR: #006600; TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="#"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="BACKGROUND: url(http://s.adbrite.com/mb/images/green-double-underline-00 6600.gif) repeat-x 50% bottom; MARGIN-BOTTOM: -2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px"&gt;school&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt; in 1979:


**Gibson, who averaged an amazing 21.0 yards per catch during his career at Michigan State, set several Spartan receiving records, including most career touchdown catches (24), most career receptions (112) and most career receiving yards (2,347). Those numbers stood for about 25 years, until former Detroit Lions first round pick Charles Rogers[/COLOR"> broke the records earlier this decade. Gibson's numbers were even more impressive when you consider most big time college programs skewed heavily towards &lt;SPAN style="CURSOR: pointer; COLOR: #006600; TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="#"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="BACKGROUND: url(http://s.adbrite.com/mb/images/green-double-underline-00 6600.gif) repeat-x 50% bottom; MARGIN-BOTTOM: -2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px"&gt;running&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt; the football in the 1970's.


**Back around 1999 (or so), when Randy Moss</font> was terrorizing N.F.L. defensive backs as a young wide receiver with the Minnesota Vikings, a &lt;SPAN style="CURSOR: pointer; COLOR: #006600; TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="#"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="BACKGROUND: url(http://s.adbrite.com/mb/images/green-double-underline-00 6600.gif) repeat-x 50% bottom; MARGIN-BOTTOM: -2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px"&gt;writer&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt; from Pro Football Weekly asked a veteran N.F.L. head scout the following question: "In your 30 years as an N.F.L. scout, have you ever seen an athlete as good or better than Randy Moss at wide receiver?" The scout said something like this: "Only one, Kirk Gibson, who went on to play baseball".


**It's been widely reported that Gibson, who stood 6' 3" and weighed over 200 pounds at Michigan State, ran a sizzling 4.28 40 in front of N.F.L. scouts. Lets not forget, Gibson signed with the Detroit Tigers before the 1979 N.F.L. Draft, so it's almost certain he didn't even bother &lt;SPAN style="CURSOR: pointer; COLOR: #006600; TEXT-DECORATION: none" href="#"&gt;&lt;SPAN style="BACKGROUND: url(http://s.adbrite.com/mb/images/green-double-underline-00 6600.gif) repeat-x 50% bottom; MARGIN-BOTTOM: -2px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 2px"&gt;training&lt;/SPAN&gt;&lt;/SPAN&gt; to impress football scouts like the athletes do today.


**Gibson, who was a first team All-American as a senior, was billed as one of the top prospects at the [COLOR=#000066">1979 Senior Bowl[/COLOR">[/url] in Mobile, Alabama.


**Despite signing a block-buster deal to play with the Detroit Tigers, the former St. Louis Cardinals used the 173rd pick in the 1979 N.F.L. Draft to secure Gibson's football rights. Back in 1979 the 173rd pick was a 7th rounder. Today, with expansion and compensation picks, the 173rd pick is a 5th rounder.


So he pulled a Samardjiza and went to baseball?
 

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Draft Daddy has a mock of the entire seven rounds. Here's where they project some players of interest:


WR Tony Gonzalez - 1st round to San Diego (30th overall pick)


DE Adam Carriker - 1st round to SF (11th overall pick)


TE Greg Olsen - 1st round to Cincy (18th overall)


LB Paul Pozluzny - 1st round to Denver (21st overall)


DB Eric Weddle -- 2nd round to Carolina


TB Brian Leonard - 2nd round to Buffalo (43rd overall pick)


S Sabby Piscitelli - 2nd round to San Diego


LB Tim Shaw -- 3rd round to Indianapolis


S John Wendling - 3rd round to Denver


QB Jared Zabransky - 5th round to Philly


WR David Ball -- 6th round to NY Jets


WR Logan Payne - 7th round to Minnesota


WR Jeff Samardzija - 7th round to Miami


S Craig Dahl - 7th round to Chicago


http://www.draftdaddy.com/prospects/7roundfull.cfm
 

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ocaamikedm11 said:
Leonard would be a good fit for Buffalo who traded McGahee.. I hope this scenario plays out!
He is from down state NY. I just don't think they like that type of runner. They got rid of 1300 yard rusher in Travis Henry because he was viewed as too plodding? Then they got the fragile egomanic instead(who wasn't any better). If you ever want hear a bunch of parrots listen to 550 WGR and listen to the younger guys on the weekend you would think they were Mel Kiper's gimps....
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I started sorting through the draft prospects and its a grim year for Whites... I'll post a thread tomorrow after I finish sifting through the DB's, but the only position where its even possible for 10 Whites to be drafted at is Center. Defensive Tackle appears to now be a firmly entrenched caste position, and Defensive End isn't far behind. The traditional White position of FB looks like its slipping away as well. The funny thing is that the only "FB's" under 235 lbs are Brian Leonard and Kyle Steffes, who both have the measurables to place them in the upper echelon of Halfbacks, if only they were Black.
 

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Hey reclaim, i already posted a thread of white players projected to be drafted, you should just add on to it as i think its pretty accurate but i could of left some off.
 

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Some great caste quotes at http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2007/wendling_john


Including...


Has very good timed speed, but lacks that explosive second gear or burst.


Can't be relied upon as anything more than an emergency fill-in on kickoff returns, as he lacks the hip swerve or wiggle to elude heading up field
 

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You're right, this is a classic and an infuriating caste review of an incredibly talented and versatile player. This prospect profile is also inconsistent and self-contradictory. In the first sentence of the analysis, the analyst states that JW could play weakside LB by bulking up 10 lbs! The analyst then proceeds in the positive section to claim that Wendling:

"Shows steady foot speed and acceleration throughout his running stride",
"Flashes a quick closing burst",
"has the loose hips to mirror receivers throughout the route in man coverage",
"Shows ease of movement and good plant-and-drive agility coming out of his backpedal",
is "Quick and active in run support",
"Shows ease of movement",
"Can close on the ball in a hurry",
"has the speed to cover runners coming out of the backfield",
"shows good speed and timing getting down field",
"Has explosiveness when changing directions",
"shows good hip snap to change direction and get back into the play when he out-runs it ".

After all this, the analyst says JW lacks explosive speed!?
 
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"The Sporting News" draft reporting reads like the Nation of Islam wrote it. No doubt some real gimp types are hired over there.
 
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Vindicator said:
You're right, this is a classic and an infuriating caste review of an incredibly talented and versatile player. This prospect profile is also inconsistent and self-contradictory. In the first sentence of the analysis, the analyst states that JW could play weakside LB by bulking up 10 lbs! The analyst then proceeds in the positive section to claim that Wendling:

"Shows steady foot speed and acceleration throughout his running stride",
"Flashes a quick closing burst",
"has the loose hips to mirror receivers throughout the route in man coverage",
"Shows ease of movement and good plant-and-drive agility coming out of his backpedal",
is "Quick and active in run support",
"Shows ease of movement",
"Can close on the ball in a hurry",
"has the speed to cover runners coming out of the backfield",
"shows good speed and timing getting down field",
"Has explosiveness when changing directions",
"shows good hip snap to change direction and get back into the play when he out-runs it ".

After all this, the analyst says JW lacks explosive speed!?


Well, which is it? Evaluations of John Wendling from April 23, 2007 issue of Sporting News.


"John Wendling, CB, Wyoming. Wendling mostly played safety at Wyoming, but he is not as consistently physical in run support as NFL teams would like. He has the size and physical ability to make the switch to cornerback." (p. 28)


"John Wendling, Wyoming, 6-1 1/4, 222, 4.48. Physical in coverage. Can cover tight ends man-to-man but lacks the athleticism to stay with wideouts on the outside consistently. A solid tackler with the range to make plays. Lacks a smooth transition out of his backpedal. Not a game-breaker but a solid safety with the versatility to cover slot receivers." (p. 47)


Sporting News could use better proof-reading, unless it wants to present a variety of evaluations of the same person in the same issue. When all is said and done, evaluations are simply educated guesses.


How does the evaluator know that he "lacks the athleticism to stay with wideouts on outside consistently", unless he has studied lots of film of Wendling covering wideouts, which may not be available because he primarily played safety. Of course, since he's white, he must "lack athleticism", especially that required to play cornerback. After all, that's a given.
 
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TSN's draft report had holes enough for a truck to pass through, unscathed. White player "lacks speed" black player "speedy" but guess who had the faster 40 time?
 

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Lacks a smooth transition out of his backpedal? Yeah right. I saw him play in Provo last season, and he looked fine to me. The way they say it, he's falling all over his feet.


What do they want him to do, transition out of the backpedal intothe moonwalk and then grab his crotch?
 

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Lacks a smooth transition out of his backpedal? Yeah right. I saw him play in Provo last season, and he looked fine to me. The way they say it, he's falling all over his feet.


What do they want him to do, transition out of the backpedal into the moonwalk and then grab his crotch?

Good one Col.
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there is a note saying "BB-5.50" so without the baseball I guess he would be ranked 9th or 10th... still too low, he's better than sidney rice and steve smith
 
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