wes welker

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  1. Colonel_Reb

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    Not to get off topic here, but this reminds me of the way lots of people (especially the caste media) remember Scott Norwood as the goat of Superbowl XXV. I think it often comes down to who made the last big mistake of the game, series, etc. Of course it is made worse if you are White. Several of Norwood's own teammates blamed themselves for putting him in that situation after the game ended, talking about their dropped passes, missed tackles, etc. They realized it was a team failure, not an individual one. I don't think the truth of this Welker situation is any different. Welker is THE MAN as far as NFL WRs go. The caste media can stick it where the sun don't shine!
     
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    Wes has proven himself to be 1 of the best WRs in the NFL. Him missing that overthrown pass was a fluke & there's zero garauntee the Pats would've scored (or stopped Manning) thereafter anyways! These caste hacks & d0ucheb@g DWFs need to shut their filthy sewers. >:-(
     
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    After Welker was unable to make that difficult catch on 2nd down, on the next play (3rd down) didn't Hernandez drop an easy across the middle 1st down pass that went through his hands as he looked up the field before he had possession?

    The bottom line is the Giants had a 2 to 1 time of possession advantage which is how they also beat the Bills in 1990. Also the Pats offense gave their D a 2 point lead and had the Gmen pinned at the 12 with their most likely last possession and they crumbled, not Welker!
     
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    Hernandez dropped it on the 1 minute drive. Branch dropped it right after Welker, I think it was the pass that was behind him, the pass to Branch looked easier to catch.
     
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    Cold Hard Football Facts (http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com) top story is "Super Bowl Hangover Pt. 2: From Bradying to Welker." The story says both Brady and Welker were at fault on the 2 and 11 pass with 4 minutes left. It supposedly stemmed from the Patriots inability to "stretch the field" and brings up facts and figures to show Brady rarely throws to Welker that far down the field.
     
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    it shows that Brady has rarely thrown passes 20+ yards in his entire career. In 2006 they had more 20+ yard passes than in 2007 with Moss and Stallworth.

    However, I do know that Welker was able to get 21 plays over 20 yards this season, the highest of his career, so something is working with the offense. The stats can be a bit misleading, looking at his footage from this year there are plenty of passes that just miss the 20 yard mark (at least where he caught it), plenty over 15 yards. Maybe thats something they can work on, they already started using him on longer routes this season when he was basically a rb with extended handoffs for the first few years. If they mix it up more with him, stretch the field with Edelman, there will be more room for Woodhead in the passing game. Woodhead could have put up the same numbers Sproles put up this year, but those plays went to Hernandez.

    however, if Gronkowski was 100 percent, they probably win that game. People act like Brady is the only guy that dinks and dunks, they ALL dink and dunk, its the reason why completion percentages have risen to close to 70 percent. Brees dinks and dunks away to Graham, Colston and Sproles. There were no long bombs by him in the Superbowl, the longest play was to Colston for 27 yards, most of them after the catch, and not a 20+ yard pass. The 2nd longest play was 21 and also yac. The 2 longest plays that game were by Dallas Clark for 27 yards and Austin Collie for 40 yards. The longest play in the first Superbowl against the Giants for the Patriots is 19 yards, by Welker, Moss had a long of 18, in fact that was his longest play in the entire 2007 playoffs, his longest in the Patriots postseason was 19. The longest play for the first Giants Patriots matchup was by the Giants, Kevin Boss for 45 yards.
     
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    Free Agent Wide Receivers That Will Be in Demand


    WR Wes Welker, New England
    —It seems quite likely that the Patriots will slap the franchise tag on Welker because he is simply too important to Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. Despite his drop in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl, Welker may have the best hands in the NFL. Welker led the league with 122 catches last year and has been over 100 receptions in four of the last five years.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=Ap2re6F5DknOB35hypG1qgr.uLYF?slug=ycn-10950158
     
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    If someone should come across video of the Branch incompletion, please post a link. I searched a bit and could not locate any video of the play. I’m curious to see it again. During the game there was not much of a chance to really examine the play.
     
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    Looks like he could have gotten it with better awareness, or reaching out for the ball, looks like he kind of short armed it about to be hit, hard to tell because not many angles and footage isn't as good quality. It would have been hard but I think possible. Had he slowed down like the announcer said he would have caughten it, but it looks like Brady could have threw it in front of him.

    [video=youtube_share;2jdP8F8GswI]http://youtu.be/2jdP8F8GswI[/video]
     
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    Branch didn't have it in his hands as Welker did.
     
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    yeah because he barely even tried for it, it hit him and it bounced off of him. I downloaded the video and slowed down the part that was already slowed down, the ball hit him before the defender got there. It was a poor throw but he could have snagged it out of the air, it looked like he was hearing footsteps and let it bounce right off of him. Had Welker put in the same effort, we see no spin around and it is simply called a poor throw.
     
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    It looked to be about the same degree of difficulty as Welker's miss, except that Branch had a defender close to him even though the defender didn't impede him from making the catch. Branch sure didn't make much of an effort on it even though it was a third down play but has been pretty much immune from criticism.
     
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    DWID, thanks for posting that video of Branch's drop.....its almost the same yardline as the "drop" by Welker on the previous play......so if Branch makes that catch nobody is talking about Welker. I was just listening to some nationally syndicated sports talk radio and the two commentators were going on and on about Welker's drop being the key play in the Patriots loss. One of the talking heads says "well, Welker's drop was on second down so there was another play that could have kept the drive alive....I think Brady was sacked on the third down play"......unbelievable
     
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    Thanks dwid. It looks as though Branch was trying to cradle the ball and it rattled around. The defender may or may not have broken up the play had Branch not dropped the ball, will never know.

    How fortunate are the Giants? Aaron Rodgers misses a couple of critical passes that he can make blindfolded and Brady misfires on attempts he normally makes in his sleep. I will say Eli Manning is Mr. Cool. The pass to Manningham was picture-perfect and a thing of beauty.
     
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    Welker is not the "goat". TE Aaron Hernandez made a drop directly following Welker's drop. Brady gave up a safety on the Patriots' offensive first play of the game. There are a number of plays here or there- that if they went in the opposite direction- could have turned the game into a Pat's victory (including missing the recovery on 3 Giants' fumbles). Also don't forget that Gronk was not at full strength. I'd agree that Welker usually makes that catch and should have, but it wasn't a great ball either.

    I have already seen a few DWFs on boards say things like "forget Wes, we haven't won anything since he's been here". Fans and the media are harder on white skill players than black ones and I would hope certain posters at this site wouldn't be. The Pats are one of only 2 teams to make the Superbowl twice in the last 5 Superbowls. This is a great accomplishment. So is Wes leading the league in receptions, a 99 yard TD- and being 2nd in yards. In the first meeting with the Giants, if BB just kicked that 49 yard FG- it may have gone to OT. If the Pats win, Welker would have been MVP in the 2008 game. Welker is a GREAT WR who unfortunately didn't have one of his best games this Superbowl (although he still played solid). He came up huge for the Pats in the 2008 big game, but they lost that year too and unfortunately people don't very well remember great performances in losses. We should remember the great win by the whitest team in the NFL last year. White athletes have made some strides in football, but unfortunately we have had bad luck with a few bounces in the wrong direction here or there or injuries this year in the NFL. There have been numerous VERY close loses by whiter teams in FBS football the last few years unfortunately too- so hopefully people will remember all the great performances by great white athletes (Maehl, Casey Matthews, NW WRs against Auburn in 2009 etc. etc.) in these games but I'm not holding my breath.
     
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    The Patriots have placed the franchise tag on Wes Welker.......
     
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    This isn't the first time I've seen this being speculated about.

    Could Patriots Get Amendola to Replace Welker?

    There appears to be some déjà vu in New England regarding slot receivers for the Patriots. Current wideout Wes Welker and free agent Danny Amendola are very similar, which could lead to Amendola one day replacing Welker as the team’s sure-handed slot man.

    Tom Curran of CSNNE.com compares how Welker joined the Patriots and how Amendola could potentially walk along the exact same road. Welker—undrafted out of Texas Tech—was a second-round tender by the Miami Dolphins in 2006 before joining the Patriots. Currently, Amendola—also undrafted out of Texas Tech—is a second-round tender by the St. Louis Rams, and could be joining the Patriots.

    However, the similarities don’t end there. The Boston Herald compares Welker’s stats in his last two years with the Dolphins to Amendola’s in his last two seasons with the Rams, and the numbers are very much the same.

    Curran brings up the fact that, since Welker is the Patriots franchise player for 2012, his contract is $9.5 million, which may make it harder for the team to sign Amendola. But it is possible that either the Patriots reach a long-term contract with Welker to make room for Amendola, or sign Amendola this season to replace Welker in 2013 if the Patriots don’t re-sign Welker then.

    It does seem a little bit complicated from a business standpoint, but Amendola at age 26 might be a more suitable (and cheaper) long-term option for the Patriots in the slot than Welker at age 30. If somehow they can both be on the field together, along with the Patriots two-headed monster at tight end with Rob Gronkowski and Aaron Hernandez, Tom Brady may have yet another record-breaking MVP season.

    http://nflsoup.com/?p=22699
     
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    How awesome would that be? Although it would be an odd scheme, or, at least, unorthodox, if anyone could or would do something like this it would be Bellichick.
     
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    Amendola or Welker have the ability to play on the outsides. Just replace Ocho or Branch with Amendola.
     
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    Wes Welker is being screwed over by the Patriots. He certainly didn't do himself any favors by stupidly declaring in public that he had "nine and a half million reasons" to sign his tender, thereby destroying any leverage he had.

    No black player of comparable achievements would ever be treated this way. It seems almost certain now that the Patriots will not sign him to a long term deal. Has any other NFL player with his stats ever failed to get even one monster contract?
     
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    Welker is one of the best (if not THE best) WRs in the league. He's earned a long-term, monster contract. :mad2:
     
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    We all know why Wes will probably not get his well-deserved long-term contract. It's simple. He didn't make that catch in the Superbowl on their last drive.

    As we all already know, every single White football player is just one "mistake" away from being marginalized, benched, sent to the practice squad, ignored, ridiculed, and ultimately, sent packing. Why should we expect Wes to be treated any differently? This is the Modus Operandi not just of the extreme Affirmative Action NFL, but for the rest of American and Western society at large. There's extreme Affirmative Action for some people and extreme Accountability for others. Wes, obviously, falls into the later category. Pierre Garcon can sign a well-undeserved long-term contract on the basis of having one decent year of production under his belt, while Wes out-does him year-after-year, and get nothing guaranteed. Such is life in modern-day Cult Marx USA.

    For White players there are no "second chances", "mulligans", "do-overs", "start-overs", "nice try, you'll get'em next time", etc...just a "what-have-you-done-for-me-lately" mentality.
     
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    I wouldn't mind that much seeing Welker go to another team, if only to prove that he isn't just a "system" player who would be nothing without Tom Brady. I'm sick of hearing that about the White receivers who play with Brady and Peyton Manning. If they make White receivers better than they really are, then why do/did the Patriots and Colts keep adding them? Why not load up only with black receivers that Brady and Manning would effortlessly turn into instant all-time greats?
     
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    Like all players, Welker wants long-term security and guaranteed money. He’s earned this, of course, several hundred times over. It’s a depressing situation; one that I doubt would be any different even if he had made “the catch†and New England had won the Superbowl.

    If his franchise-tag salary ($9.5 million) sticks for the 2012-2013 season, and he doesn’t reach a deal in the meantime…Welker will once again be a free agent in 2013. If, at that point, he again receives the franchise tag (which is projected to be over $10 million for receivers), he’ll make nearly $20 million in two seasons. That is, if he avoids injury and continues to shred the NFL’s putrid, all-cocoa defenses with ease.

    This season, I hope that the misery of losing the Superbowl, coupled with his own team's Jewdificated contract negotiations, fester within him so thoroughly that he shatters all doubts, for good
     

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