RG III

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  1. Carolina Speed

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    BeyondFedUp, I've been a Cowboy fan for just 40 years, however if there's more white players on the team they're playing, I will pull against them, which now days is most of the time.:smile:

    Being a Cowboy fan, you must know who my avatar is of, right?
     
  2. BeyondFedUp

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    Hi there Carolina Speed, Yes indeed, a true Cowboy there with Walt Garrison. Great avatar! Those were truly THE days I was into with him and Staubach, Bob Lilly, LeeRoy Jordan, Larry Cole, Golden Richards, and yes, the Aikman days were great too. Those early players were there for the love of the game, and the rivalries were truly great with most players staying with one team throughout their careers. It made for the love and the hatred (lol) in those wars on the gridiron! :thumbup:
     
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    Garrison is one of my favorite all time players because he was an actual cowboy off the field. You men are so lucky to have been able to live in those better times.
     
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    what was bad looking at the polls is that 30 percent of votes thought Jason Campbell should start over Weeden. Around 20,000 votes. Weeden is up and coming. Campbell is a known commodity, a mediocre backup. I guess there is no age where "upside" disappears.
     
  5. davidholly

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    Have you seen his wrist flick man? Weeden ain't got that man. Campbell has supa speed too. He was never given a real chance in erm... Washington, Oakland and erm... Chicago. Don't knock him just because you're jealous of his wrist flick.
     
  6. Wes Woodhead

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    LMAO. Thats right on man. The DWFs and negros accuse you of being jealous if you make a point. THats exactly how their worthless minds work.
     
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    That same ESPN "poll page" had a survey in which 65% of stooopid DWF's say that Johnny Manziel should be suspended. Without proof that he's done anything wrong. That's effective propaganda!

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    Its really quite amazing isn't it? Guys like Joe Flacco and Eli Manning win Super Bowl MVP awards and yet, the NFL and the football media promote the RG3's, Colin Kaepernicks, and Russell Wilsons of the world as the second coming. Never mind the fact they've only played one season and still have a lot to prove as far as being consistent players goes. I can see one of these guys, if not all 3 of them come crashing down to earth really quick. The quotaback agenda could not be more obvious, yet DWF's are still blind to it.
     
  9. davidholly

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    You can pretty much guarantee that Griffin will have a short career at this point. DWFs are in complete denial of this though.
     
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    Do you have a source for this? The RG3 trade was an obvious Snyder move, and we have learned that Shanahan had Cousins on his board as a 2nd rounder, but there's no proof that I know of.

    Anyway, yesterday I was talking to this black co-worker of mine. This guy is NOT caste-ified at all, but he thinks that part of the reason RG3 was so eager to play injured last year, and to play injured this preseason, was that he doesn't want to lost his starting job to Cousins, as in the Alex Smith & Kaepernik drama in SF last year. He did NOT mention the racial aspect.

    So he basically admitted that RG3 is selfish AND shortsighted.

    As a Redskins fan I hate to say this, but the RG3 injury was pure karma, both to him and to Snyder and even to Shanahan.
     
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    Can't find the source anymore, could have sworn it was linked on Caste Football before.
     
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    It's funny, last year Bigunreal and myself were both complaining about how Gremlin seemed to play perfect games. He rarely ever threw picks and everything seemed to go his way. This year is the complete opposite. Blackstar has been exposed. Suprisingly Newton is still playing decently and midget looks like a top 10 quarterback. I guess there will always be a few good black quarterbacks, just not enough to make a difference no matter how much they push.
     
  16. white is right

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    I agree with the article his success last season was largely based on a gimmick formation that took advantage of his college level sprinter speed. Now that his burst is that of a slow to moderate speed qb the gimmick formation is now useless and the spy that would sit there waiting for a run can now drop back in coverage. I still can't believe that analysts who watch the game can be fooled by his speed. Of course blow hards like Eisen always come up with lines like this.... Ps now that he is a 5 flat 40 guy is he RG 1.5...:bowl:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wWr0H5NHO4
     
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    whiteathlete33, As the game continues to deteriorate, there will be more and more black QB's who seem decent. But in reality, it'll just be the game going downhill...

    joegoofinoff...
     
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    I get what he is trying to say, but he is a bust, if you are drafted in the first, top 10, especially number 2 pick and play like he has, then you are a bust. It doesn't matter if scouts got it wrong or if a player was hyped up because of skin color (we see this with all positions for non White players), if that were the case then no player would be a bust.
     
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    When I read this I was thinking, if this guy knew Griffin wasn't going to be very good, why didn't he direct us to an article or articles he wrote before Griffin's rookie season that stated this. Every corporate media pundit without exception extolled Griffin; if he didn't he should proudly direct readers to his previous work on the subject.
     
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    Griffin’s comical shortcomings in 2013 must be a grievous disappointment for The System. His failures wouldn’t be quite so embarrassing, had he not been involved in countless interviews during the entire off-season boasting about his ability to heal so quickly, along with various commercials and advertising campaigns (such as this Adidas ad with the “All in for Week One†theme) that portrayed him as some sort of indestructible superhuman…

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    His performance was so wretched that he’s being “shut down†for the remaining three contests and he, the “franchise QB,†lost his starting job to his Aryan-looking backup.

    As for Griffin himself, aside from his vile mudshark wife, I once thought he was nice, somewhat intelligent, well-spoken, and played with good sportsmanship. Since his injury, he’s successfully created a massive rift in the organization that will likely cost Shannahan his job (not that I care, of course), he’s been involved in a scandal in which he alleged cheated on his wife with a Hooters waitress, and he’s played with a massive aurora of arrogance, constantly pouting, sulking on the sideline, slamming his helmet, and pounding his fists on the ground.

    Ahh, how far he’s fallen since his “opening day†antics in which he fell to his knees during his introduction (against the Eagles), pointed to the sky, pounded his fists on the turf and ran down the field carrying an American flag. It was a DWF-rousing moment, for sure…

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    What a fall from grace for this hack. Adding on to what Don said - I think the only people that criticized Griffin prior to his being drafted were castefootball members. It is glaringly obvious that the read option has been figured out, he was a one trick pony who cannot make reads. He was propped up by the media, it was blatantly obvious to anyone that has not been affected by the negrophilia that has saturated popular sports in Amerika 2.0.
     
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    The article is good, and very blunt, but always mentions RG3's WR's as the reason for his Baylor success, not the system and the rest of the team. Since Griffin has left Baylor, and those above mentioned receivers have gone on to the NFL, Baylor has not missed a beat. Nick Florence had stats every bit as good as Griffin's last year, and Bryce Petty has thrown 30 TDs against only 2 picks all year.

    Florence opted to forego an NFL career, but if he had declared, he would have been a late-round pick at best. Petty might do better, but we'll see after his senior season.
     
  23. Awake in America

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    Robert Griffin III is both a beneficiary and a victim of the Caste System. The system that hyped him beyond all reason is the same system that couldn't possibly allow him to come out of a game when hurt, and also rushed him back onto the field before he was ready to play again. When he was originally hurt, they had to put in Cousins, and part of the veil was lifted: Cousins did very well. That meant rushing Griffin back for Week 1 of this season. Otherwise, it would have meant Cousins starting for the first 4 or 5 weeks, igniting a possible controversy. At a minimum Griffin's superstar status would have been threatened by another guy doing well with the same team. The Caste Masters broke their own toy.

    Griffin has been paid millions of dollars, and received Tiger-like amounts of adulation from the media, so I don't feel at all sorry for him. That said, he's still a victim of the Caste System, and has no idea. Again, they broke their own toy.:kev:
     
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    Man that last line in your post A.I.A., sums it up perfectly.
     
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    did anyone see that segment by Mark Schereleth? spelling, the olineman on ESPN, he was showing RG3's 40 yard dash at the combine, of course great technique being a track star. 4.41. Then he shows RG3 throwing a pick and running down the guy to tackle him, but running and catching up with him, is a 330 pound sumo.

    Mark says either RG3 lost his speed or the sumo is the fastest fat man in the league, he decided to go with fastest fat man in the league. They both good angles. I understand coming back from a knee injury will affect you, but mainly trying to change direction, straight line speed shouldn't be affected that much.

    More proof that 40 yard dash is overrated especially at qb, and I don't think the brothers on the team have exactly given up on him, that play was a lot of hustle by the sumo to prevent a pick 6, they are probably upset with him and diva attitude and bad qb play, but I doubt they aren't trying like dwfs are claiming. If he is willing to run down an interception like that to prevent a score then he is probably doing his best to block so RG3 can do something. ANYTHING.

    Its always funny to read some black poster saying there is a racial bias saying people expect more from black qbs, they always say they have a PhD or something.

    After they are proven wrong with facts that White qbs have been scrutinized for the similar things even, like making bad decisions, bad play etc. they never respond except for something like "you are naive if you think being black has nothing to do with it". His claim was stereotypical thinking that all black qbs are said to not be able to go through their progressions Well most quotabacks in the league do struggle with going through their progressions. Cam just figured out how to somewhat do it, but its really in the David Garrard style usually, first read isn't open, throw to a back or tight end. He isn't going through every progression to where that back or tight end is the 4th or 5th read, its usually his second choice. Pryor admitted he never knew how to play quarterback.

    RG3 often stares down his number 1 read when its not a screen or short pass, I see it over and over. This isn't a stereotypical observation, its just based on fact. There are a few that can go through reads, like Wilson, even then they helped him along and used a lot of rollouts to cut the field in half. I'd say out of all the quotabacks that Wilson is probably the one that is going to stay for a while like McNabb, but its hard to judge this year, they have played a lot of weak teams, great defense and great running game. Nobody is saying Wilson can't go through his progressions or saying he is a bad qb especially in the msm. They haven't even gotten on to Kaepernick for his dropoff this year.

    The spread option can no longer be the focal point of an offense, it caught defenses off guard. Teams figure it out, just like they have at the college level. Maybe Tebow could run it, and perhaps Cam. What they did in college when the option was stopped by the scrape exchange was just block everyone and have the qb run like a halfback with no reads. Cam is a little tall so will take more hits to the knees, Tebow is built more like a rb so it could work.

    The spread option, just like the wildcat, is a wrinkle to add in occasionally. They claimed RG3 barely ran it but it was the basis of his offense, and lots of play action set up off the read pass option. Defenders had to account for RG3 running or passing, and Alfred Morris running.

    Now if only teams got a little more creative and decided to have someone like Tebow AND Jordan Lynch (also built like a rb but can pass) lined up in the backfield, and both be a threat to run and pass, and you could have someone like Edelman (former qb) lined up in the slot, run the triple option having him come on an end around as the pitch man with a pass option, there are other Whites that could do it as well, tons actually, biggest strength is versatility.

    would take a lot of work, the main problem is getting the blocking right without your linemen getting too far downfield and getting called for ineligible receiver, but I think it can be done. I mean you'd only have 3 receivers left with to catch it but it could work. Perhaps maybe in the CFL where ineligible man downfield isn't called, and 12 men on each side. They have more success with the triple option using the 3rd option as a bubble screen, which can be hard in American football like I previously stated, ineligible receiver downfield but colleges still have run it.

    I wonder if all the ads and endorsements he did was to set up a precedent ...future income for hyped up black first rounders now that the rookie salary cap has been put into place. I think the class of Luck/Griffin was the last to receive big pay days before this rule. Now first rounders are making smaller amounts.

    If so, it backfired, but wouldn't be surprised for them to continue to try this since most will be out of the league quickly, they want these blacks to get money. Extended welfare, because when these affletes make it, their entire families make it. Of course many waste it but they usually support extended family (which is huge for most black guys)

    If you every watched the reality tv show with T.O. it basically showed that was the main reason he was broke. Something about making a bad investment or loaning money to a "cousin" (who knows if it was a first,2nd,3rd or 4th cousin) and crying to his "momma" that he made a mistake, which is why he was trying to play arena ball. Deuce McCallister wound up in the same fate, and he was actually a respectable black man, tried to set up some car dealerships run by friends and family only to be screwed over and in bankruptcy.

    Of course RG3 doesn't fit the background of the typical afflete with his family background but he sure has the attitude of one.
     
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