English Premier League 2012-13

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  1. Europe

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    Sam Allardyce was asked if he was a foreigner where would he be managing and he said maybe a top 4 team in England or a team in Spain or Italy, which is probably true.

    He said it is fashionable to hire foreigners now.

    I would like to hear what he says about foreign players and if it it fashionable to bring in all the Africans and South Americans.
     
  2. TBProdigy

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    The same Sam Allardyce that ran the slave ship at Bolton a few years ago?
     
  3. ThePhilosopher

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    :rofl:

    Not to mention his obsession with Big,Tall,Physical,Unskilled players.We know what that means-African Imports.
     
  4. Rebajlo

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    Matches played on the 3rd, 4th, and 5th of November.

    Manchester United 2 Arsenal 1

    MAN. UNITED:

    Started: 6 Whites (3 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 mestizo
    Finished: 5 Whites (2 Englishmen), 5 blacks, 1 mestizo

    ARSENAL:

    Started: 9 Whites (1 Englishman), 1 black, 1 mestizo
    Finished: 7 Whites* (No Englishmen*), 2 blacks, 1 mestizo *Jack Wilshire sent off after 69'

    Fulham 2 Everton 2

    FULHAM:

    Started: 10 Whites (No Englishmen), 1 black
    Finished: 10 Whites (1 Englishman), 1 Iranian

    EVERTON:

    Started: 6 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 half-Turk, 1 small-part Indonesian
    Finished: 5 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 half-Turk, 1 small-part Indonesian

    Norwich City 1 Stoke City 0

    NORWICH:

    Started: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks
    Finished: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 4 blacks

    STOKE:

    Started: 10 Whites (5 Englishmen), 1 black
    Finished: 9 Whites (4 Englishmen), 2 blacks

    Sunderland 0 Aston Villa 1

    SUNDERLAND:

    Started: 10 Whites (4 Englishmen), 1 black
    Finished: 9 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks

    VILLA:

    Started: 9 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks
    Finished: Unchanged ratio

    Swansea City 1 Chelsea 1

    SWANSEA:

    Started: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen, 1 Welshman), 3 blacks, 1 Asian
    Finished: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen, 1 Welshman), 3 blacks, 1 Asian, 1 Israeli

    CHELSEA:

    Started: 8 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks
    Finished: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 5 blacks

    Tottenham Hotspur 0 Wigan Athletic 1

    SPURS:

    Started: 4 Whites (No Englishmen), 7 blacks
    Finished: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 5 blacks

    WIGAN:

    Started: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks, 1 black-Amerindian, 1 Arab
    Finished: Unchanged ratio

    West Ham United 0 Manchester City 0

    WEST HAM:

    Started: 8 Whites (4 Englishmen), 1 black, 1 Maori, 1 Israeli
    Finished: 7 Whites (4 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Maori, 1 Israeli

    MAN. CITY:


    Started: 4 Whites (2 Englishmen), 5 blacks, 1 mestizo, 1 Arab
    Finished: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen), 5 blacks

    Queens Park Rangers 1 Reading 1

    QPR:

    Started: 4 Whites (No Englishmen), 6 blacks, 1 Arab
    Finished: 3 Whites (No Englishmen), 7 blacks, 1 Arab

    READING:

    Started: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 4 blacks
    Finished: 8 Whites (4 Englishmen), 3 blacks

    Liverpool 1 Newcastle United 1

    LIVERPOOL:


    Started: 7 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks, 1 Turk
    Finished: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks

    NEWCASTLE:

    Started: 5 Whites (1 Englishman), 4 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 quarter-Vietnamese
    Finished: 5 Whites* (1 Englishman), 4 blacks, 1 Arab *Fabio Coloccini sent off after 84'

    West Bromwich Albion 2 Southampton 0

    WEST BROM:

    Started: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Argentine Jew
    Finished: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Argentine Jew

    SOUTHAMPTON:


    Started: 9 Whites (3 Englishmen), 1 black, 1 Asian
    Finished: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Asian

    SUMMARY OF ROUND:


    220 starters

    Whites: 145 (65.909 %) - Englishmen: 43 (19.545 %)

    Blacks: 57 (25.909 %)

    Other non-Whites: 18 (8.181 %)

    18 goals (Whites: 6; blacks: 8; Arabs: 2; quarter-Vietnamese: 1; 1 own goal scored by a black)
     
  5. Matra2

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    Funny to see West Brom up near the top of the Premier League, level with mostly black (and Jewish supported) Tottenham, despite what must be a major difference in the amount of money at each team's disposal.
     
  6. ThePhilosopher

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    They're slowly making the hallowed transition from black to mixed race:

    1)Aaron Lennon.

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    2)Kyle Walker.

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    3)Steven Caulker.

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    4)Tom Huddlestone.

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    5)Andros Townsend.

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    6)Kyle Naughton.

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    7)Jake Livermore.

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    And I'm sure that I'm still missing someone.Where exactly do all these mongrels come from?
     
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  7. frederic38

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    here they mention the number of english starters in that round: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...drop-in-the-premier-league-ocean-8301469.html

    they say 62 "english" players started, so from rebajlo's stats, close to 70% of the english players are whites
    that's not bad
    in france white french players in ligue 1 are probably less than 10% of the "french" players
     
  8. Matra2

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    When John Terry scored for Chelsea in the first half against Liverpool in his first game back after his racism suspension I thought it would be funny if Luis Suarez, formerly suspended for racism himself, also scored for Liverpool. Sure enough two goals scored - one for Terry one for Suarez.:clap2: The anti-racists most be fuming. LOL
     
  9. frederic38

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    i have been very disapointed at how manchester united took the lead in premiere league
    chelsea drop points against liverpool, it's not a surprise because liverpool always does well against the big teams
    but chelsea didn't get a liverpool player sent off in the beginning of the first half for no reason, like manchester united did when they faced liverpool
    there has been so much controversy surrounding manchester united's matches
    they lost to tottenham, they looked inferior to liverpool, and they benefited from the refereeing against chelsea
    and they also use rooney as a defensive middlefielder, which is dumb and disapointing
     
  10. Europe

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    I didn't notice them playing Rooney as a def mf. I think the would make a good mf, but not a def mf. It's a waste to have him a def mf.
     
  11. ThePhilosopher

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    Rooney isn't exactly playing as Defensive Midfielder,but is surely playing deeper.

    United have used two formations this season.In one formation,United utilize a "Diamond".In others they're using the more tried and tested 4-4-1-1,with Rooney playing off Van Persie.

    But this was expected,since Van Persie is better in the box,while Rooney is more complete.And remember,Rooney played second fiddle to Ronaldo with some success.
     
  12. frederic38

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    he was a defensive midlefielder against arsenal, and maybe against chelsea
    the commentators said that ferguson was using him as a defensive midlefielder now, and that it was a waste of talent
    they also said that he missed his penalty against arsenal because he was spending too much energy on defensive duty
    the commentator was the former black defender marcel desailly
     
  13. Rebajlo

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    Arsenal 3 Fulham 3

    ARSENAL:

    Started: 8 Whites (No Englishmen), 3 blacks
    Finished: 9 Whites (No Englishmen), 2 blacks

    FULHAM:

    Started: 9 Whites (1 Englishman), 1 black, 1 Iranian
    Finished: 11 Whites (1 Englishman)

    Everton 2 Sunderland 1

    EVERTON:

    Started: 6 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 half-Turk, 1 small-part Indonesian
    Finished: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 half-Turk, 1 small-part Indonesian

    SUNDERLAND:

    Started: 9 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks
    Finished: 8 Whites (2 Englishmen), 3 blacks

    Reading 0 Norwich City 0

    READING:

    Started: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks
    Finished: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks

    NORWICH:

    Started: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks
    Finished: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks

    Southampton 1 Swansea City 1

    SOUTHAMPTON:

    Started: 8 Whites (4 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Asian
    Finished: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Asian

    SWANSEA:

    Started: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen, 1 Welshman), 3 blacks, 1 Asian
    Finished: 6 Whites (1 Englishman, 1 Welshman), 3 blacks, 1 Asian, 1 Israeli

    Stoke City 1 Queens Park Rangers 0

    STOKE:

    Started: 10 Whites (4 Englishmen), 1 black
    Finished: 9 Whites (4 Englishmen), 2 blacks

    QPR:

    Started: 4 Whites (No Englishmen), 6 blacks, 1 Arab
    Finished: 3 Whites (No Englishmen), 7 blacks, 1 Arab

    Wigan Athletic 1 West Bromwich Albion 2

    WIGAN:

    Started: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks, 1 black-Amerindian, 1 Arab
    Finished: 6 Whites (No Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 black-Amerindian, 1 Arab

    WEST BROM:

    Started: 8 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Argentine Jew
    Finished: Unchanged ratio

    Aston Villa 2 Manchester United 3

    VILLA:

    Started: 9 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks
    Finished: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Arab

    MAN. UNITED:

    Started: 5 Whites (3 Englishmen), 5 blacks, 1 mestizo
    Finished: 5 Whites (2 Englishmen), 5 blacks, 1 mestizo

    Manchester City 2 Tottenham Hotspur 1

    MAN. CITY:

    Started: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 mestizo, 1 half-Asian
    Finished: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 half-Asian

    SPURS:


    Started: 4 Whites (No Englishmen), 7 blacks
    Finished: 5 Whites (1 Englishman), 6 blacks

    Newcastle United 0 West Ham United 1

    NEWCASTLE:

    Started: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 quarter-Vietnamese
    Finished: 5 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 quarter-Vietnamese

    WEST HAM:

    Started: 8 Whites (5 Englishmen), 1 black, 1 Maori, 1 Israeli
    Finished: 7 Whites (5 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Maori

    Chelsea 1 Liverpool 1

    CHELSEA:

    Started: 8 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks
    Finished: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 5 blacks

    LIVERPOOL:

    Started: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 Turk
    Finished: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks

    SUMMARY OF ROUND:

    220 starters

    Whites: 142 (64.545 %) - Englishmen: 42 (19.09 %)

    Blacks: 60 (27.272 %)

    Other non-Whites:18 (8.181 %)

    26 goals (Whites: 19; blacks: 4; Arabs: 1; 2 own goals scored by Whites)
     
  14. Rebajlo

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    Frederic -

    The number of "English" black starters varies. For example, during the last round (see my post immediately above) there were 22, or exactly 10% of all 220 starters.

    I've listed them below (with used substitutes in italics). Mind You, this only includes Negroes currently eligible to represent England, which therefore excludes the likes of Reading's London-born Grenadian international Jason Roberts, Wigan's Buckinghamshire-born Barbadian international Emmerson Boyce, et cetera. I've also omitted Newcastle United's Shola Ameobi (who came on for the second half against the Hammers) as he has finally opted for Nigeria: http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/10043556.Ameobi_s_Nigeria_delight/

    ARSENAL: Theo Walcott, Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain

    FULHAM: Kieran Richardson

    SUNDERLAND: Danny Rose

    READING: Garath McCleary

    NORWICH: Bradley Johnson, Elliott Bennett

    SOUTHAMPTON: Nathaniel Clyne, Jason Puncheon

    SWANSEA: Wayne Routledge

    QPR: Anton Ferdinand, Bobby Zamora

    ASTON VILLA: Gabriel Agbonlahor, Fabian Delph

    MAN. UNITED: Rio Ferdinand, Chris Smalling, Ashley Young

    TOTTENHAM: Kyle Walker, Steven Caulker, Tom Huddlestone, Aaron Lennon, Jermaine Defoe, Kyle Naughton

    NEWCASTLE: Danny Simpson

    CHELSEA: Ryan Bertrand, Daniel Sturridge

    LIVERPOOL: Andre Wisdom, Glen Johnson, Raheem Sterling
     
  15. ThePhilosopher

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    I get what you mean.True Rooney is playing a more 'box-to-box' kind of role.The freekick from which Mata scored against United was given away by Rooney,on the edge of his own penalty box.That alone indicates his position on the pitch.

    And do not even get me started about the Black commentators,Desailly,Efin Ekoku(Whatever!).....
    Blacks suck at commentary too!
     
  16. ThePhilosopher

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    Well,here's the your typical anti-white "journalist":frown: at work,getting us to worship a great black warrior.
    The first comment tells it all though.:eyebrows:
     
  17. Matra2

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    Interesting article testing Michael Owen's theory that Latin players dive more than English players:

    http://harvardsportsanalysis.wordpr...america-italy-and-spain-testing-michael-owen/

    Doesn't real prove anything though as attacking players (lots of Latins) are more likely to be fouled than defenders (more English I presume) and, of course, sometimes the free kicks given for tackles on Latin players are for genuine fouls, not just dives.

    BTW I find it ironic that Michael Owen of all English players is talking about other nationalities being prone to diving. Owen, whom I consider to have been a great player, was, nevertheless, a well known diver throughout his career.
     
  18. frederic38

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    france is a latin country in soccer
    i admit that i don't get the difference between a legit foul and a "dive" (diving when the defender commits a foul, even if he doesn't touch you)
    for example torres' dive against manchester, when he got a second yellow card
     
  19. TBProdigy

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    Not clear on what you are saying but from what I gather.

    You are saying that if there is contact the player has the right to go down unaided? I disagree, It's embarassing for the sport and would encourage simulation actually becoming a fundamental skill in the game of football


    [video=youtube;l3tagTCJi38]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3tagTCJi38[/video]

    If that was true videos like this would actually be for real
     
  20. frederic38

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    acyually i'm saying that for me a player can anticipate the contact with the other player and dive even when the defender didn't touch him (but whithout the dive the defender would have touched the striker)
    it's hard to explain, sorry if it's unclear

    but i hate when a player acts like he's injuried to lose time, this for me is different, i hate it
     
  21. Rebajlo

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    Arsenal 5 Tottenham Hotspur 2

    ARSENAL:

    Started: 9 Whites (1 Englishman), 2 blacks
    Finished: 7 Whites (No Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 mestizo

    SPURS:

    Started: 3 Whites (No Englishmen), 8 blacks
    Finished: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks* *Emmanuel Adebayor sent off after 17'

    Liverpool 3 Wigan Athletic 0

    LIVERPOOL:

    Started: 7 Whites (1 Englishman), 4 blacks
    Finished: 8 Whites (4 Englishmen), 3 blacks

    WIGAN:

    Started: 6 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks, 1 black-Amerindian, 1 Arab
    Finished: 5 Whites (1 Englishman), 3 blacks, 1 black-Amerindian, 1 Arab, 1 Asian

    Manchester City 5 Aston Villa 0

    MAN. CITY:

    Started: 4 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 mestizo, 1 half-Asian
    Finished: 5 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 mestizo

    VILLA:

    Started: 9 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks
    Finished: 9 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks

    Newcastle United 1 Swansea City 2

    NEWCASTLE:

    Started: 5 Whites (2 Englishmen), 5 blacks, 1 Arab
    Finished: 4 Whites (2 Englishmen), 6 blacks, 1 Arab

    SWANSEA:

    Started: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen, 1 Welshman), 3 blacks, 1 Israeli
    Finished: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen, 1 Welshman), 4 blacks

    Queens Park Rangers 1 Southampton 3

    QPR:

    Started: 4 Whites (No Englishmen), 6 blacks, 1 Arab
    Finished: 5 Whites (1 Englishman), 4 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 mestizo

    SOUTHAMPTON:

    Started: 8 Whites (4 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Asian
    Finished: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Asian

    Reading 2 Everton 1

    READING:

    Started: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 4 blacks
    Finished: 7 Whites (2 Englishmen), 4 blacks

    EVERTON:

    Started: 6 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Arab, 1 half-Turk, 1 small-part Indonesian
    Finished: Unchanged ratio

    West Bromwich Albion 2 Chelsea 1

    WEST BROM:

    Started: 8 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Argentine Jew
    Finished: Unchanged ratio

    CHELSEA:

    Started: 7 Whites (1 Englishman), 4 blacks
    Finished: Unchanged ratio

    Norwich City 1 Manchester United 0

    NORWICH:

    Started: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks
    Finished: 7 Whites (3 Englishmen), 4 blacks

    MAN. UNITED:

    Started: 4 Whites (1 Englishman), 6 blacks, 1 mestizo
    Finished: 4 Whites (2 Englishmen), 6 blacks, 1 mestizo

    Fulham 1 Sunderland 3

    FULHAM:

    Started: 11 Whites (1 Englishman)
    Finished: 9 Whites* (1 Englishman), 1 black *Brede Hangeland sent off after 30'

    SUNDERLAND:

    Started: 9 Whites (3 Englishmen), 2 blacks
    Finished: 9 Whites (2 Englishmen), 2 blacks

    The round shall be completed tonight with West Ham United vs Stoke City.
     
  22. devans

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    I am so happy to see Queens Park Rangers languishing at the bottom of the English Premier league without a win all season.
    The manager Mark Hughes (sacked from Manchester City for wasting millions on mediocre players) has brought in an influx of black "talent" that has taken them to the bottom of the league.
    In his squad ...

    Samba Diakite ....Mali
    Armand Traore ...Black French
    Anton Ferdinand ...Black English
    Djibril Cisse ...BlackFrenchman
    Adel Taarabt ...Algerian
    Shaun Wright Phillips Black English
    Nedum Onuoha ...Black English
    Keiran Dyer ...Black English
    Jose Bosingwa ...Black Portuguese
    Fabio Da Silva ...Mixed race Brazillian
    Hogan Ephrahim ...Black English
    David Hoillett ...Black English
    Bobby Zamora ...Black English
    Stephane Mbia ...Camaroon

    Most of these are regularly playing. I am not listing backups here.
    They also have Korean Ji Sung Park (ex Manchester Utd)
    He does regularly play a white goalkeeper however - who is usually a busy man!
    The only White englishmen who play occasionally are Shaun Derry and Clint Hill. Neither are regulars and have only appeared 8 times between them all season!
    Hughes was brought in last year when previous manager Neil Warnock was sacked for droppping to 4th from bottom after a poor run playing the top four teams in three weeks. He had brough QPR up from the lower divisions with a team packed with white talent, including an icelandic stricker (Helgusson) most of whom have been let go to make room for the real players. Great to see them at rock bottom.
     
  23. Rebajlo

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    West Ham United 1 Stoke City 1

    WEST HAM:

    Started: 8 Whites (5 Englishmen), 2 blacks, 1 Maori
    Finished: 7 Whites (5 Englishmen), 3 blacks, 1 Maori

    STOKE:

    Started: 10 Whites (4 Englishmen), 1 black
    Finished: 8 Whites (3 Englishmen), 3 blacks

    SUMMARY OF ROUND:

    220 starters

    Whites: 140 (63.636 %) - Englishmen: 40 (18.181 %)

    Blacks: 65 (29.545 %) - "English" blacks: 22 (10 %)

    Other non-Whites: 15 (6.818 %)

    35 goals (Whites: 21; blacks: 10; mestizos: 2; half-Asians: 1; 1 own goal scored by a black)
     
  24. frederic38

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    yes, it's one of the good things of the season
    i was disapointed to see them survive last year (they managed to avoid relegation in the last match)
    this year hopefully they won't escape relegation

    regarding the players you listed, hoilett is canadian, not english i think
    which is funny because there are no good canadian players (the latest one i can remember was radzinsky, who played in belgium)

    and taarabit is moroccan, not algerian, but actually he's french, like most of the non-english players you listed (diakité, traoré, cissé, taarabit, and mbia)

    you can also add the brazilian twin brother who played for manchester united, he was titular on the only occasion where i watched QPR

    everybody say that this squad is full of very talented players, for example:

    http://www.footballtransfertavern.c...e-man-to-save-qprs-season#bEFSzXGIyPhKImOr.99

    but looking at their squad, all i see is overrated black clowns, overrated asian and arab token players (to make the club popular in the arab world and in asia)
    except, like you said, the goalkeepers, a white defender i think, andrew johnson, and granero
     
  25. Europe

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    "which is funny because there are no good canadian players (the latest one i can remember was radzinsky, who played in belgium)"

    Owen Hargreaves has to be the best Canadian player. He played fro England, but was born in Canada. He has to be at least one of the all time best Canadians.
     

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