Wow who else's jaw dropped on that spectacular run and catch play by Tony. That was the best play I've seen all year in college football. He was really showing off his moves, athleticism, and talent. By the way it seems Gonzo always has big games in prime time. Just like vs. Michigan last year and Texas this year Tony once again stepped up and was named player of the game. He had 5 catches for 77 yards and 2 TDs. His other TD was another display of his quickness as he just sprinted right by the defender on a quick slant.
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Do you think they will always talk about him like a mexican?
No one refers to Jeff Garcia (1/16th Spanish) as hispanic or Mexican. Rich Rodriguez, head coach of WVU, is partly Spanish and no one refers to him as a hispanic coach. There are other examples, but having the same name as a famous hispanic NFL tight end will probably doom Gonzalez to being labeledas hispanic despite being entirely European descended -- if he's given a shot at the NFL that is. It's a shame there's such ignorance in this country about the difference between "Spanish" and "hispanic."
Yeah I think with the big games on national t.v. Tony had vs. Texas and Iowa that if the hispanic remarks were going to start they already would have by now. I think Gonzalez will be alright because by now ESPN would be running with that hispanic stuff already, if they cared.
I was eating dinner when I saw him catch that pass over the middle and turn around and burn everyone for the TD. I actually said aloud "holy SH*T, that kid is fast!" During that play he looked about as fast and agile as anyone I've ever seen play football. Funny thing was the first thing the announcers started saying before the replay was how poor tackling was to blame. Then when the replay showed that nobody really even touched him, they had to come up with the real answer: he's unbelievably fast. This dude is the real deal and I think the best hope we have at WR right now in all NCAA.
No kidding, Jared! If that move had been made by Reggie Bush or even Troy Smith (this year's media fave for Heisman) it would be shown as an ESPN commercial highlight. It would eventually be an ubitquitous as the Bo Jackson/Brian Bosworth collision on Monday Night Football.
I only saw intermittent parts of the OSU/Iowa game. Damn glad I saw THAT play live!
I only saw intermittent parts of the OSU/Iowa game. Damn glad I saw THAT play live!
Incidentally, the Buckeyes website profile of Anthony now says he is "of Cuban descent". I don't remember seeing that when I checked the site a few weeks ago.
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gonzal ez_anthony00.html
http://ohiostatebuckeyes.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/gonzal ez_anthony00.html
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Actually, I have heard him called "Latino" or "Latin" or some crap like that. He may have even been on a cover of some "Latino" magazine.
Do you know for a fact that he's entirely European, or do you base it on his appearance?
It's so annoying when someone calls a Hispanic person "Spanish." Grrr!!
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If Anthony Gonzalez is not in the same category of Tony Gonzalez everything will be fine..Anthony look like a perfect white american..
According to his bio, Gonzalez is an aspiring Rhodes Scholar who is of Cuban descent. Cuba and all other Latin and South American countries have a white ruling class along with other varying white populations.He's "the son of Eduardo and Jenna Gonzalez ... has a younger sister, Cristina, and two older brothers, Nick and Joe."Sounds like an assimilated American family to me.Gonzalez has blue eyes and looks white. I'm not a stickler on these things; I agree with jaxvid and others who believe that how an individual identifies himself is key. If I met Gonzalez without knowing who he was and he said his name was "David Smith" I wouldn't think twice about it.
Considering many here root for Teddy Bruschi, Johnny Damon, Kevin Kaesviharn, Lofa Tatupu and others, the possibility of Gonzalez having a non-white ancestor going back two or more generations isn't a big deal. He's a very talented receiver who defies the Caste System's stereotypes.
Considering many here root for Teddy Bruschi, Johnny Damon, Kevin Kaesviharn, Lofa Tatupu and others, the possibility of Gonzalez having a non-white ancestor going back two or more generations isn't a big deal. He's a very talented receiver who defies the Caste System's stereotypes.
Thanks for the response, Don.
But how others identify them is key, too. If a white player is considered "Latino," it's not as good for us. I have nothing against Gonzalez per se, and we can enjoy his success on a personal level. But unambiguously white athletes like Jeremy Wariner have much broader value, in my opinion.
Unfortunately, I am a stickler about this. I wish it wasn't so, and I didn't ask for this. Miscegenation is everywhere and I have to be honest about it.
I rooted for Bruschi and Kaesviharn... until I found out they were biracial. I can still appreciate their play, but it's just not the same. I simply cannot in good conscience root for a biracial athlete.
But if he's not perceived as white (and as we know, the Caste System is all about perception, not reality,) then he's not defying stereotypes. If anything, all of these Hispanics, Polynesians, Hawaiians, Asians, etc., performing so well in American sports simply reinforce the belief that white athletes are inferior. Edited by: JD074
Don Wassall said:
But how others identify them is key, too. If a white player is considered "Latino," it's not as good for us. I have nothing against Gonzalez per se, and we can enjoy his success on a personal level. But unambiguously white athletes like Jeremy Wariner have much broader value, in my opinion.
Unfortunately, I am a stickler about this. I wish it wasn't so, and I didn't ask for this. Miscegenation is everywhere and I have to be honest about it.
I rooted for Bruschi and Kaesviharn... until I found out they were biracial. I can still appreciate their play, but it's just not the same. I simply cannot in good conscience root for a biracial athlete.
But if he's not perceived as white (and as we know, the Caste System is all about perception, not reality,) then he's not defying stereotypes. If anything, all of these Hispanics, Polynesians, Hawaiians, Asians, etc., performing so well in American sports simply reinforce the belief that white athletes are inferior. Edited by: JD074
I guess we'll have to see how he ends up being perceived, if he even gets a shot at the NFL. Athletes with Spanish names can and are perceived as white by sports fans(Jeff Garcia, Sergio Garcia, Jose-Maria Olazabel, Seve Ballesteros, Spanish tennis players, etc.), but I do think in this case having the same name as tight end Tony Gonzalez will cause him to be lumped in as an "hispanic" by many.
As far as Asians and hispanics, their athletic success in popular U.S. sportsis pretty much limited to baseball, and golf in the case of Asians. But certainly unambiguously white athletes are the most valuable in fighting Caste System mythology.
As far as Asians and hispanics, their athletic success in popular U.S. sportsis pretty much limited to baseball, and golf in the case of Asians. But certainly unambiguously white athletes are the most valuable in fighting Caste System mythology.
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He has to get a shot he is way too productive and is fast(the crack cocaine for scouts). Will he be a high draft choice or a second day pick is the question?
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Leonardfan said:
From the article: Gonzalez's grandfather moved from Spain to Cuba in the 1930s, Gonzalez said... Shortly after Castro took over in 1959, Gonzalez's grandparents, like so many other Cubans, fled to the U.S. They stayed in Miami before eventually moving to Cincinnati, where Anthony's parents met. From there, they settled in suburban Cleveland and held fast to their Cuban roots.
"It's something that just sort of happened," said Jenna Gonzalez, Anthony's mother. "A lot of the traditions we kept because my husband's parents lived close by, we visited them often and they were just different. They had very heavy accents, broken English. A lot of our relatives didn't speak English at all. We had different food, different music, we celebrated holidays differently. It's just the way things were for our family."
Though Jenna Gonzalez was of German descent, she loved Cuban food and learned from her mother-in-law and sister-in-law how to cook the meals for her family.
Okay.So, apparently his grandfather lived in Cuba but was originally from Spain and his mother is of German heritage.It would appear he is Hispanic by language and white by race. So, Tony's father is at least half-Spanish.What about his father's mother? Was she from Spain also? I couldn't tell from the article.
Okay, so he's either 100% white or one-quarter non-white, depending on his paternal grandmother's ethnicity.
Interesting that people assume that he's white (probably mostly strangers that don't know his name, but perhaps some people who know his name, as well.) But clearly he identifies himself as "Hispanic," and gets upset when he hears people stereotype Hispanics. Sounds like a typical thin-skinned, liberal non-white to me.
On the other hand, he did say, "I really don't think I'm that good." Hmm, maybe he is white!
Well, I think we know how the media perceives him!
And how about the link to a Lapchick article. Icing on the cake!
Interesting that people assume that he's white (probably mostly strangers that don't know his name, but perhaps some people who know his name, as well.) But clearly he identifies himself as "Hispanic," and gets upset when he hears people stereotype Hispanics. Sounds like a typical thin-skinned, liberal non-white to me.
On the other hand, he did say, "I really don't think I'm that good." Hmm, maybe he is white!
Well, I think we know how the media perceives him!
And how about the link to a Lapchick article. Icing on the cake!
He's White. The problem is most people in the U.S. are too ignorant to know that "Hispanic" is not a race. Heck, I know alot of morons who don't even know Spaniards are European much less that many Whites fled Cuba because of communism.
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I've had that myself. I am of Spanish ancestry and if it comes up in conversation right away donkeys think your part black or something. Some idiots literally have to be shown a map to see that Spain is part of Europe.
Wow its a shame that people are really that stupid/ignorant when it comes to geography and where countries are located. You know stuff a 3rd grader should know but people just don't have a clue. And when it's just prepertrated by the media that a Hispanic sounding last name automatically means your not white is really not helping matters.