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Anyone have an idea about when exactly the fight will start? I'm guessing about 11 pm est, but don't want to try to find a sports bar to watch it at until around starting time.
Wladimir Klitschko vs. Sultan Ibragimov
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Can it be viewed anywhere on the Internet?
Thrashen
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Wlad seems to be thoroughly beating Ibragimov through 5 rounds....we'll se what happens.
Van_Slyke_CF
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Sounds like it was a pretty boring fight, if the Yahoo recap is anything to go by. I guess Wlad`s great jab kept Sultan away all night.
It goes without saying that I`d like Maskaev to win against Sam Peter next month, but, at the same time, it sure would be nice to see Wlad crush the Nigerian foranother beltlater this year after his mandatory against Povetkin.
Congratualtions, Wlad, on moving another step closer to being the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world!
It goes without saying that I`d like Maskaev to win against Sam Peter next month, but, at the same time, it sure would be nice to see Wlad crush the Nigerian foranother beltlater this year after his mandatory against Povetkin.
Congratualtions, Wlad, on moving another step closer to being the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world!
lumsdenpower
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Wlad fought a smart fight...boring, but smart..Sultan is a tricky opponent.
Wlad have one of the best Jab in all the history of the heavyweight Boxing
Wlad have one of the best Jab in all the history of the heavyweight Boxing
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I rarely ever comment on a fight that I have not watched, but I'm making an exception tonight. This Yahoo article is ridiculously biased. It's so biased it makes the article practically unreadable. He complains throughout there is no action, despite the fact Wlad almost scored a knockdown in 9th round, according to the author himself!
The sports headline on the Yahoo homepage reads: Stinker on 32nd Street, then underneath: Wladimir Klitschko crushed Sultan Ibragimov by a unanimous decision. How do you crush someone in a stinker of a fight? WTF?
The sports headline on the Yahoo homepage reads: Stinker on 32nd Street, then underneath: Wladimir Klitschko crushed Sultan Ibragimov by a unanimous decision. How do you crush someone in a stinker of a fight? WTF?
Charles Martel
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I think Wladimir fought very well. Remember, Sultan is a tricky fighter who does a lot of feinting and uses angles to his advantage. He's not all that easy to hit, but was regularly on the receiving end of Wlad's fast, hard jabs.
Sultan had never lost a fight in his professional career, yet Wlad handled him rather easily.Edited by: JD1986
Sultan had never lost a fight in his professional career, yet Wlad handled him rather easily.Edited by: JD1986
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It was not the greatest fight I ever saw, but Wlad was workmanlike. I believe the style of Sultan bothered him. Like JD1986 stated Sultan is a tricky fighter who had never lost, but he lost 10 of twelve rounds to Wlad. Styles make fights and their styles don't mesh well.
Like George Foreman use to say, "win tonight's fight, look spectacular the next." The HBO crew were a little hard on Wlad, they forget that he has KO'd his last four black upper tier fighters.
Like George Foreman use to say, "win tonight's fight, look spectacular the next." The HBO crew were a little hard on Wlad, they forget that he has KO'd his last four black upper tier fighters.
johnnyboy
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yeah this was a boring fight. im glad wlad won and i really hope he unifies the belts, but i got to say i wish he would have thrown more power punches, and more punches in general. he was easily the better fighter and i wish he would of knocked sultan out. i think with a more aggressive mentality he can become the second coming of tyson...minus the lunacy thing.
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Muhamed Ali used to fight this way and was called the "greatest" for it. This is also why to quote him why he retired "pretty". I guess white guys are not suppose to fight this way. Edited by: Tired old White
It's pretty obvious why he didn't throw more right hands:
[url]http://mvn.com/boxing/2008/02/23/heavyweight-unification-new s-conference-and-afterthoughts/ [/url]
Kudos to Wlad, and good riddance to Sultan. I'm sorry if I offend the Sultan fans, but his fights are so f*cking boring. He just can't, or won't, get on the inside against bigger fighters. And unfortunately for him, everybody in the division is bigger than him, including Holyfield, a former Cruiser. I know it's not all his fault, but it is what it is.
He would be so much better at Cruiserweight.
[url]http://mvn.com/boxing/2008/02/23/heavyweight-unification-new s-conference-and-afterthoughts/ [/url]
Kudos to Wlad, and good riddance to Sultan. I'm sorry if I offend the Sultan fans, but his fights are so f*cking boring. He just can't, or won't, get on the inside against bigger fighters. And unfortunately for him, everybody in the division is bigger than him, including Holyfield, a former Cruiser. I know it's not all his fault, but it is what it is.
He would be so much better at Cruiserweight.
Thrashen
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"Once again Wlad showed himself totally dominant in the heavyweight division, virtually in a league of his own, and all they can do is try to look for clever little ways to mock him."
Dude, great quote. This statement is incredibly true. Although this fight was supposedly boring, I'm positive that an "all-black" HW unification fight would have been labeled more favorably by the super-biased media puppets. These horribly negative "news" headlines fail to shock me in the least anymore.
Anyway, Werewolf, unlike many posters here (for whatever reason), I really enjoy your boxing insight and wish you'd continue to post here similar to a couple months ago. I've never even been close to being offended by your many non-PC comments
Dude, great quote. This statement is incredibly true. Although this fight was supposedly boring, I'm positive that an "all-black" HW unification fight would have been labeled more favorably by the super-biased media puppets. These horribly negative "news" headlines fail to shock me in the least anymore.
Anyway, Werewolf, unlike many posters here (for whatever reason), I really enjoy your boxing insight and wish you'd continue to post here similar to a couple months ago. I've never even been close to being offended by your many non-PC comments
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Thanks, Thrashen. That excerpt is from the thread on Cyberboxingzone.com
[url]http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/showthread.php?t=715 2[/url]
...if they haven't banned me and erased it by now.
I have a problem with the wiggers and the moderator and the censoring software here. What we need, I think, is an iconoclastic totally non-PC boxing forum for grownups, no ad hominim attacks allowed. Perhaps I should resurrect my old Werewolf's Boxing Forum, or PrezBoxing (and then bow out as moderator - because I tend to lose my temper and violate the ad hominim rule).
This used to be Werewolf's Boxing Forum. Kool Slim now mismanages it, and all the old posts were burned up in the big EZBoard meltdown a while back:
http://p067.ezboard.com/fwerewolfsboxingforum53765frm2
I suppose I could kick Slim out and make it into a boxing forum again.
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Edited by: werewolf
[url]http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/showthread.php?t=715 2[/url]
...if they haven't banned me and erased it by now.
I have a problem with the wiggers and the moderator and the censoring software here. What we need, I think, is an iconoclastic totally non-PC boxing forum for grownups, no ad hominim attacks allowed. Perhaps I should resurrect my old Werewolf's Boxing Forum, or PrezBoxing (and then bow out as moderator - because I tend to lose my temper and violate the ad hominim rule).
This used to be Werewolf's Boxing Forum. Kool Slim now mismanages it, and all the old posts were burned up in the big EZBoard meltdown a while back:
http://p067.ezboard.com/fwerewolfsboxingforum53765frm2
I suppose I could kick Slim out and make it into a boxing forum again.
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Edited by: werewolf
Maple Leaf
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Klitschko fought 12 rounds with Ibragimov, whom many consider, myself included, the second best heavyweight in the world without almost ever being hit in the head. Without almost ever being hit in the head. In the past Klitschko was much more agressive but that did not always work in his favour. By any standard, that must be considered a good piece of work.
To put this fight into perspective, Ali fought smaller men, averaging 210lbs each, and went the distance with all of them: Frazier(2),Young, Norton(lost once), Evangelista, and Shavers. Ali also went the distance with no or low skill men Wepner and Bugner(2). And Ali is still lauded as the greatest of all time by so nausiating many to this day.
Klitschko could have done more, certainly. What were his reasons for not throwing more punches? I do not know for sure. Ibragimov did stay out of range all night and he is a tricky man to hit. I was expecting Klitschko to snap double or triple jabs at a time, take a short step to his left, and throw the right or a low or high left hook. It did not happen. So what? The decision was not remotely in question and, in the end, that is all that counts. He is now in the fifties in the win collumn. He will unify the titles; he will be re-evaluated as an all-time great. He is greater than Ali.
With this win my prediction record is now 10-1.Edited by: Maple Leaf
To put this fight into perspective, Ali fought smaller men, averaging 210lbs each, and went the distance with all of them: Frazier(2),Young, Norton(lost once), Evangelista, and Shavers. Ali also went the distance with no or low skill men Wepner and Bugner(2). And Ali is still lauded as the greatest of all time by so nausiating many to this day.
Klitschko could have done more, certainly. What were his reasons for not throwing more punches? I do not know for sure. Ibragimov did stay out of range all night and he is a tricky man to hit. I was expecting Klitschko to snap double or triple jabs at a time, take a short step to his left, and throw the right or a low or high left hook. It did not happen. So what? The decision was not remotely in question and, in the end, that is all that counts. He is now in the fifties in the win collumn. He will unify the titles; he will be re-evaluated as an all-time great. He is greater than Ali.
With this win my prediction record is now 10-1.Edited by: Maple Leaf
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"Without almost ever being hit in the head."
Good point. That's the ideal object of boxing, ain't it? Hit the other guy and don't get hit yourself - and Wlad was about 100% at that last night - and still all they can do is kvetch and look for ways to try to mock him!
Ali nee Clay is the biggest media hype job in boxing history. I was just posting about that on that other boxing forum, too - one of my favorite subjects. ;-)
On the Liston thread:
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/forumdisplay.php?f=9
In their desperate search for Negro boxing heroes it seems they are now even trying to resurrect and glorify career criminal Sonny Liston, of all people!
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Good point. That's the ideal object of boxing, ain't it? Hit the other guy and don't get hit yourself - and Wlad was about 100% at that last night - and still all they can do is kvetch and look for ways to try to mock him!
Ali nee Clay is the biggest media hype job in boxing history. I was just posting about that on that other boxing forum, too - one of my favorite subjects. ;-)
On the Liston thread:
http://www.cyberboxingzone.com/cbzforum/forumdisplay.php?f=9
In their desperate search for Negro boxing heroes it seems they are now even trying to resurrect and glorify career criminal Sonny Liston, of all people!
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Liverlips said:
Pound for pound ranking are nothing but a list of boxers that the guy making the list likes. It started off as a space-filler in the useless Ring magazine.
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Alpha Male
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The unification fight had to be preceded by a Joe Lois propaganda flick. In fact, all the advertisements have this great "American Hero" above Vlad and Sultan. And I quote: "He was a credit to his race-the human race" and "American's Hero...Betrayed." Then below that bullsh*t, they introduce the boxers actually fighting!
Richard O'Brien wrote a gem called The People's Champ in this month's SI. Here are a few quotes: "Saturdays fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Sultan Ibragimov is being ballyhooed as a heavyweight unification bout. That doesn't mean all that much in these days of Balkanized belts, faceless titleholders and the general eclipse of boxing. Ah, but once there were giants. For a sense of what the heavyweight title meant in an earlier time - both in the world of sport and beyond - tune in a couple of hours before Klitschko and Ibragimov get read to rumble (or stumble, or whatever it is today's big men do) for HBO's lovingly produced and provocative Joe Louis: America's Hero...Betrayed, a documentary on perhaps the greatest and most important heavyweight champion of all time."
And the love fest continues, but I can't bear to type more.
Edited by: Alpha Male
Richard O'Brien wrote a gem called The People's Champ in this month's SI. Here are a few quotes: "Saturdays fight between Wladimir Klitschko and Sultan Ibragimov is being ballyhooed as a heavyweight unification bout. That doesn't mean all that much in these days of Balkanized belts, faceless titleholders and the general eclipse of boxing. Ah, but once there were giants. For a sense of what the heavyweight title meant in an earlier time - both in the world of sport and beyond - tune in a couple of hours before Klitschko and Ibragimov get read to rumble (or stumble, or whatever it is today's big men do) for HBO's lovingly produced and provocative Joe Louis: America's Hero...Betrayed, a documentary on perhaps the greatest and most important heavyweight champion of all time."
And the love fest continues, but I can't bear to type more.
Edited by: Alpha Male
Charles Martel
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The documentary didn't focus much on Joe Louis being a drug addict, alcoholic and wife beater who ended up in a mental hospital.
Yet we hear so much negativity about Wlad. If he wins by KO 2 over Austin they criticise him for choosing an easy opponent even though Austin was his mandatory. If he wins by a dominant, 23 point decision over an undefeated WBO titleholder they say he's boring.
Wlad deserves praise and recognition, yet rarely receives it. But if he was a negro, the media would love him.Edited by: JD1986
Yet we hear so much negativity about Wlad. If he wins by KO 2 over Austin they criticise him for choosing an easy opponent even though Austin was his mandatory. If he wins by a dominant, 23 point decision over an undefeated WBO titleholder they say he's boring.
Wlad deserves praise and recognition, yet rarely receives it. But if he was a negro, the media would love him.Edited by: JD1986
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That was an interesting match, a technical match, but it did get boring at the end when it was clear Klitschko could knock out Ibragimov with right hands but instead was sticking to his super conservative plan of chopping down on Sultan's lead arm and scoring points with the jab.
The reaction to the match by the sports media and fans was predicably negative. Maybe these slavs should go back to knocking out black guys. That way everybody will simply ignore them and they can rack up wins and money in their standard quiet, classy way.
The worst was when Klitschko tried to talk about donating $500,000 to charity after the match and Max Kellerman cut him off and gave him a look like Klitscko was a retard in a special ed class. Hey Max, how languages do you speak? How much money have you given to charity? How many wins did your favorite boxers have at 31? Klitschko just got to 50 wins!
The reaction to the match by the sports media and fans was predicably negative. Maybe these slavs should go back to knocking out black guys. That way everybody will simply ignore them and they can rack up wins and money in their standard quiet, classy way.
The worst was when Klitschko tried to talk about donating $500,000 to charity after the match and Max Kellerman cut him off and gave him a look like Klitscko was a retard in a special ed class. Hey Max, how languages do you speak? How much money have you given to charity? How many wins did your favorite boxers have at 31? Klitschko just got to 50 wins!
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Great post Nevada. To reach 50 wins at such an early age is simply incredible! Wlad looked like he had total
control of the fight from the get go. The media and alot of American Boxing Fans just can't root for Klitschko. They will do anything to cut this guy down. It's really sad how ignorant people are these days.
I truely believe that Wlad is as good as any heavyweight that I have seen. Lenox Lewis got knocked
out several times and never received half of the cut downs that they throw at Wlad. People can say what they want, but we all know the truth. Wlad is the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World!
The one great thing about it going the distance is that we didn't have to see one of our guys get hurt or embarrased in the biggest fight of his life. Congrats to both of these great White Warriors.
control of the fight from the get go. The media and alot of American Boxing Fans just can't root for Klitschko. They will do anything to cut this guy down. It's really sad how ignorant people are these days.
I truely believe that Wlad is as good as any heavyweight that I have seen. Lenox Lewis got knocked
out several times and never received half of the cut downs that they throw at Wlad. People can say what they want, but we all know the truth. Wlad is the Undisputed Heavyweight Champion of the World!
The one great thing about it going the distance is that we didn't have to see one of our guys get hurt or embarrased in the biggest fight of his life. Congrats to both of these great White Warriors.