Wladimir Klitschko vs David Haye July 2011

[whiteathlete33]

I think the trouble with this fight is that Haye has the same chance that any other inferior fighter has against a superior fighter -- both men have two fists, the world is round, anything can happen (though of course, people smartly bet on what's LIKELY to happen).



The trouble lies in the idea that the media is behaving as if Haye has any more than a puncher's chance, and is trying so hard to give Haye a credibility and resume he doesn't deserve.



It's a clear case of anti-Klitchscko bias, and it's even more clear that this bias is racially-motivated in both cases.



Sad is the fact that the media already have a litany of prewriten excuses for Haye's likely demise in this fight, where as if Wlad loses it Haye will promptly retire and declare himself a latterday Cassius Clay, and Wlad's entire career will be discredited by the media. Of course one loss cannot erase a career of proven success, but then again, the media made a contender out of a worthless, WORTHLESS (key word, WORTHLESS) f*g like Haye.

Giovani, Haye shouldn't be champ. The boxing gangsters obviously felt that Haye was an opportunity to make the heavyweight division "exciting" so the judges gave him the W against Valuev. With all the talented European fighters out there they decide to go with the black guy. Typical caste agenda any way you look at it.

 

[BoxingFanUK]

I still find it amusing that certain members feel this is the biggest heavyweight fight in years? Why because of Haye's resume? No, certainly not. Only because of his big mouth. You are all buying into the propaganda this clown has put forth.

Well, with Wlad we have an A level champion who is at the top of his game. With Haye, we also have a B+/A- level fighter at the top of his game. Nobody is old or past their prime (such as Tyson in the Lewis fight). Two champion fighters facing off at heavyweight (admittedly- Haye's champion status is disputed), both of which are in their prime. Also as discussed earlier in this fight, black vs white angle has always sold.

Wlad has beaten some great fighters already (Byrd, Ibragimov, Peter, Brock) are probably his biggest wins. Although those fights were big, they weren't as big as this is terms of media recognition.

I think its highly conceivable that this fight is viewed by more viewers than any boxing fight in over 20 years.

So thats why I consider it a big fight. And if you just look at mainstream sports media, and boxing media, theyre all over this fight. Its clearly the biggest fight of the year and possibly (probably) beyond that.

In terms of viewership it very well may surpass Oscar De La Hoya VS Floyd Mayeather May 2007 bout.

Its a big fight, the biggest fight that can be made at heavyweight in terms of media coverage/public interest.
Edited by: BoxingFanUK

 

[BoxingFanUK]

Wladimir winning this fight would be a glorious result for European boxing, because this is the biggest stage. I think the media (sadly... caste system and all) would have a preference for Haye winning, but this fight has been building up for 3 years now, and when Wlad wins the media wont be able to just ignore that.

Goodluck to Wlad, and Im sure if he sticks to what he knows, I dont think Haye will hang with him.

I will be watching this fight at a lounge with friends and supporting Wlad

Edited by: BoxingFanUK

 

[space hillbilly]

I'll be totally honest. I do have my worries for Wlad in this fight. No way Haye can outbox Wlad but if he can get inside those jabs he does have the power to knock Wlad out. Seeing that Wlad had chin problems in the past it's always a possibility.

I don't think Haye has much of even a punchers chance, thats all based on 15 years of intense propaganda overWladimir's socalled "Weak Chin."
Wlad has been down 12 times, But only hurt in one fight out of almost 60.
And That's clearly not a bad chin.

Also Haye's power is far overrated, how many fighters did he KO with one punch?
I can't think of any!

IMO, There's only one way Haye can win or even look good and thats if in some way a "Fix" hasbeen ordained by the PTB.......Edited by: lost

 

[The Hock]

Every time I see this thread with a lot of posts this far from the fight, I think Haye has pulled out of the fight. Is he really going to go through with it and get into the same ring with Vladimer Klitchko? He's really going to do it?

 

[whiteathlete33]

Every time I see this thread with a lot of posts this far from the fight, I think Haye has pulled out of the fight. Is he really going to go through with it and get into the same ring with Vladimer Klitchko? He's really going to do it?

I don't think he has much of a choice anymore. He backed out twice and I think the fact that some people were calling him a coward got to him. Plus he has a huge payday in front of him. Hell I'd get in the ring with Wladimir for that amount of money. Wladimir absolutely has to win this fight. Haye has pushed him too far with his mouth.

 

[white is right]

If the money is as good as the article from yesterday states then there is no way Haye is ducking Wlad again. I suspect short ofa hernia or a broken arm or leg he will fight this fight. Here is a link to the SKY sport previews of the fight......http://www1.skysports.com/haye/video

 

[werewolf]

If the money is as good as the article from yesterday states then there is no way Haye is ducking Wlad again. I suspect short ofa hernia or a broken arm or leg he will fight this fight. Here is a link to the SKY sport previews of the fight......http://www1.skysports.com/haye/video

Great interview. He's very articulate.

Edited by: werewolf

 

[whiteathlete33]

Lennox Lewis claims Haye fought a "perfect" fight against Valuev! What fight was this d-ckhead watching?

<h1>Lennox Lewis Says Haye Must Fight Klitschko The Same Way He Fought Valuev</h1>
By James Slater: Although WBA heavyweight champ David</span> </span><nobr style="color: rgb43, 101, 176;" id="itxthook0w2nobr" ="itxtrst itxtrstnobr itxthooknobr">Haye</span> <obr>
has been fond of telling anyone who will listen that he is planning to
take the heat right to Wladimir Klitschko in their rapidly-approaching
unification battle, a number of good judges feel that once the bell
rings Haye will instead adopt hit-and-move tactics. I spoke with Tom
Tsatas of The 5th Street Gym recently, and in his opinion Haye must not
come out gung-ho early on.<a name="more28448"></a>



Tsatas, along with other experts, feels Haye's lighter weight, his speed and his boxing</span>
ability will be the keys to victory for him, not so much his power in
the early rounds. Heavyweight great Lennox Lewis is the latest expert to
give his opinion on what "The Hayemaker's"Â￾ tactics should be, and he
too says Haye should hit-and-run and pick up points.



In light of the way that other British title challenger, Matthew
Macklin, was unfairly denied a points decision he looked to have earned
last night in Germany, fans will be wondering if Haye can possibly win
on points in Hamburg. But Lewis says Haye will have to box pretty much
the same way he did when winning the WBA belt against Nicolai Valuev in
2009 - which Haye won by close decision in Germany.



"What makes me give Haye a chance is what he did against Valuev,"Â￾ Lewis
told BBC Radio. "He fought a perfect fight, he kept moving, he stayed
elusive and in the final round he almost knocked Valuev out. Klitschko
has the bigger advantages but if David is able to stay with his
game-plan and move and throw combinations he should do very well."Â￾



Fans who leave comments on this site seem to be anticipating a short and
violent fight, with Klitschko taking Haye out in brutal fashion. But
could we be in store for a much longer fight, with both guys coming out
in a cautious manner as they look to pick up points and then exploit
openings? Of course, Valuev is no Klitschko. Much slower than Wladimir
and possessing nowhere near the punching power "Dr. Steel Hammer"Â￾ has,
Valuev was unable to inflict any hurt on Haye. This will not be the case
in Saturday's fight.



To win on points, as Lewis suggest he may, Haye will have to fight an
absolute perfect fight. But even Lewis is aware of how much stronger and
heavier Klitschko will be in the fight.



"If they get into a clinch and Klitschko puts his weight on David it may sap some of David's energy,"Â￾ he said.



To have any shot at winning on points, Haye will have to catch the
judges eye by doing more work. That will mean him coming forwards at
some point in the fight; letting his hands go in flurries and then
getting back out or being tied up. Klitschko is sure to wrap his big
arms around Haye whenever danger strikes, and this will certainly sap
Haye's energy as Lewis says. And if Haye does get tired he will be in
trouble.



I see Haye having a bright start, picking up points with effective
raids. But after around six or seven-rounds, the natural strength of
Klitschko will begin to get to Haye, as will his own sheer mental effort
begin to make him fatigued. Dictating late on, Klitschko will, in my
opinion, get a late KO.



No way this fight goes 12-rounds! </span>

 

[Spartan]

I don't even know why so many members of this forum follow the hype that the American Jewish dominated media have created for this fight.<div>
</div><div>This one will be one of the easiest fight of Wladimir's career.</div><div>
</div><div>The all time great, gold Olympic champion and top 5 HW of all time that Wladimir is, will smash that overrated mutant </div>

 

[white is right]

Lennox Lewis claims Haye fought a "perfect" fight against Valuev!  What fight was this d-ckhead watching?&lt;h1&gt;Lennox Lewis Says Haye Must Fight Klitschko The Same Way He Fought Valuev&lt;/h1&gt;
&lt;span id="intelliTXT"&gt; &lt;p align="left"&gt;By James Slater: Although WBA heavyweight champ &lt;span id="itxthook0w0" ="itxtrst itxtrstspan itxthookspan" style=": none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent; font-size: inherit; font-weight: inherit; color: rgb43, 101, 176;">David&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span id="itxthook0w1" ="itxtrst itxtrstspan itxthookspan" style=": none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent; font-size: inherit; font-weight: inherit; color: rgb43, 101, 176;"> &lt;/span&gt;&lt;nobr style="color: rgb43, 101, 176;" id="itxthook0w2nobr" ="itxtrst itxtrstnobr itxthooknobr">&lt;span id="itxthook0w2" ="itxtrst itxtrstspan itxthookspan" style=":transparent; font-size:inherit; font-color:inherit;font-weight:inherit;">Haye&lt;/span&gt; &lt;obr&gt;
has been fond of telling anyone who will listen that he is planning to
take the heat right to Wladimir Klitschko in their rapidly-approaching
unification battle, a number of good judges feel that once the bell
rings Haye will instead adopt hit-and-move tactics. I spoke with Tom
Tsatas of The 5th Street Gym recently, and in his opinion Haye must not
come out gung-ho early on.&lt;a name="more28448"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

Tsatas, along with other experts, feels Haye's lighter weight, his speed and his &lt;span id="itxthook1w0" ="itxtrst itxtrstspan itxthookspan" style=": none repeat scroll 0% 0% transparent; font-size: inherit; font-weight: inherit; color: lightgreen;">boxing&lt;/span&gt;
ability will be the keys to victory for him, not so much his power in
the early rounds. Heavyweight great Lennox Lewis is the latest expert to
give his opinion on what "The Hayemaker's"Â￾ tactics should be, and he
too says Haye should hit-and-run and pick up points.

In light of the way that other British title challenger, Matthew
Macklin, was unfairly denied a points decision he looked to have earned
last night in Germany, fans will be wondering if Haye can possibly win
on points in Hamburg. But Lewis says Haye will have to box pretty much
the same way he did when winning the WBA belt against Nicolai Valuev in
2009 - which Haye won by close decision in Germany.

"What makes me give Haye a chance is what he did against Valuev,"Â￾ Lewis
told BBC Radio. "He fought a perfect fight, he kept moving, he stayed
elusive and in the final round he almost knocked Valuev out. Klitschko
has the bigger advantages but if David is able to stay with his
game-plan and move and throw combinations he should do very well."Â￾

Fans who leave comments on this site seem to be anticipating a short and
violent fight, with Klitschko taking Haye out in brutal fashion. But
could we be in store for a much longer fight, with both guys coming out
in a cautious manner as they look to pick up points and then exploit
openings? Of course, Valuev is no Klitschko. Much slower than Wladimir
and possessing nowhere near the punching power "Dr. Steel Hammer"Â￾ has,
Valuev was unable to inflict any hurt on Haye. This will not be the case
in Saturday's fight.

To win on points, as Lewis suggest he may, Haye will have to fight an
absolute perfect fight. But even Lewis is aware of how much stronger and
heavier Klitschko will be in the fight.

"If they get into a clinch and Klitschko puts his weight on David it may sap some of David's energy,"Â￾ he said.

To have any shot at winning on points, Haye will have to catch the
judges eye by doing more work. That will mean him coming forwards at
some point in the fight; letting his hands go in flurries and then
getting back out or being tied up. Klitschko is sure to wrap his big
arms around Haye whenever danger strikes, and this will certainly sap
Haye's energy as Lewis says. And if Haye does get tired he will be in
trouble.

I see Haye having a bright start, picking up points with effective
raids. But after around six or seven-rounds, the natural strength of
Klitschko will begin to get to Haye, as will his own sheer mental effort
begin to make him fatigued. Dictating late on, Klitschko will, in my
opinion, get a late KO.

No way this fight goes 12-rounds! &lt;/span&gt;

Lennox Lewis either has brain damage or is a politician because he changes his tune on this fight every time he is interviewed. When it's a British reporter then he is pro Haye. When it's an American he lets his hair down to speak.

 

[werewolf]

UK Daily Mail: "'Princess' Haye gets a lesson in class from Klitschko"




David Haye cranked up his crass
attempts to anger Wladimir Klitschko by planting an agent provocateur in
the audience at Monday's head-to-head media conference. </font>

He
then threatened to disrupt his opponent's dressing-room preparations
before Saturday's world heavyweight championship mega-fight here. </font>

The
uproar as the Haye camp sent a little known boxing trainer to accost
Klitschko and his trainer, Emanuel Steward, at the dais...</font>
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-2008698/David-Haye-v-Wladimir-Klitschko-Hayemaker-labels-champion-robot.html#ixzz1QXSHNLGp

 

[space hillbilly]

Has Steward been giving Haye inside info on how he can beat Wladimir?

http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/david-haye-shakes-camp-klitschko-with-allegation-of-steward-betrayal/

 

[white is right]

This could explain Lennox's weird comments and about faces...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGopZ1qd0gU Or maybe this is the reasonhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2-aY26Z8ns&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Edited by: white is right

 

[whiteathlete33]

Now I'm starting to get worried. It's sounding more and more like the "fix" is in.

 

[Charles Martel]

Has Steward been giving Haye inside info on how he can beat Wladimir?
<div> </div>
<div>http://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/david-haye-shakes-camp-klitschko-with-allegation-of-steward-betrayal/ </div>

I have a bad feeling about this. Steward just might prefer to have his fellow negro Haye as heavyweight champion.

I think it's time Wladimir got rid of Manny Steward.

I've never believed in the myth that Wlad improved because of Steward, the truth is he improved because he matured. Wlad's offense was more varied BEFORE he began to work with him, and he used to knock down his opponents far more often (Barrett, Bostice, Jefferson, Shufford, Mercer, etc). Let's not forget, he lost his first fight working with Steward.

[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLDy88Ud5bA[/tube]
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrSkS5kgDzE&feature=related[/tube]
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c-O_PWtYjQ[/tube]
[tube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuH0UMpN9Pc&feature=related[/tube]
Edited by: Parody

 

[white is right]

His overall game has improved under Steward. But his offense has severely regressed. He was a seek and destroy machine under Sidunek. The problem was he was nearly always in attack mode so his chin was there to be hit with counters.

 

[space hillbilly]

Right, I never liked Manny because he was running down the division and attacking Vitali any time he gave an interview.....

 

[space hillbilly]

Wladimir can't get rid of Steward now becauseManny would be in camp Haye tomorrow.
And probaby working Haye's corner Saturday.........

 

[white lightning]

I'm so sick of this low life, no class, thug. I can't wait for Wlad to teach him some manners. This is the biggest fight in a decade or so in my opinion.<div></div><div>Knock this bum out Wlad. We believe in you!</div>

 

[whiteathlete33]

Haye may be just trying to play with Wlads' head. He's been trying that since the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if it's true though. Even though Manny seems like a nice guy, blacks just can't be trusted. You think they want two strong, good looking, athletic white men at the top of the heavyweight division? Think again! They are always looking for the next Tyson so that the DWF's will be drooling at their mouths every single fight.


Edited by: whiteathlete33

 

[werewolf]

I don't see why fighters from Russia and eastern Europe have to come to this country to scrape up negro or jewish trainers. Their own countries have some of the best boxing trainers in the world, plus both Klitschkos have PHD's in sports fitness so why don't they just train each other? I guess the problem is they need the "connections".

It says this place will be shut down July 1 through July 5, so no post fight commentary here, and the big boxing forums will probably be overloaded and down too.

 

[space hillbilly]

Haye may be just trying to play with Wlads' head. He's been trying that since the beginning. I wouldn't be surprised if it's true though. Even though Manny seems like a nice guy, blacks just can't be trusted. You think they want two strong, good looking, athletic white men at the top of the heavyweight division? Think again! They are always looking for the next Tyson so that the DWF's will be drooling at their mouths every single fight.

After thinking it over I'm not really worried because Wladimir could throw the little black midget out the window and still beat Haye...

Edited by: lost

 

[Colonel_Reb]

Go Wlad go!

 

[Charles Martel]

As for sites where there will be RBR posting if sites like boxingscene and ESB crash, try here.